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Started by gnimbley, July 16, 2004, 05:34:45 AM

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Colonel Failure

#15
July 16, 2004, 07:15:40 PM
I'm trying.

I'm trying my coffee with five sugars instead of six today.

How much more can you expect from me?

8)

CF
All I knew, all I believed
Are crumbling images
No longer comforting me.
Scramble to reach higher ground,
Order and sanity,
Something to comfort me.

I take what is mine, and hold what is mine,
Suffocate what is mine, and bury what's mine.
Soon the water will come
And claim what is mine.
I must leave it behind,
And climb to a new place now.

This ground is not the rock I thought it to be.

   Tool, Flood
----------------
Do you believe
In the lies, the lies, the lies that shape your world?
Do you believe
In your own, your own, fictitious immortality?

The world won't end while you walk the earth
And when you realize that your life don't matter
You'll turn to something to help you forget
That you're only young once, old forever

And we become what we hate
(Don't think of us)

    -Screeching Weasel, What We Hate[/size][/color]

chaosgraves:agentoferis

#16
July 16, 2004, 07:17:12 PM
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of Doom
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferispaying attention?!?!? paying attention?!?!?


that's what got us here I'm talking about freeing from your mind this constuct of ownership... extinction is not stewardship...

lets steward the the world and not I say not grind it anymore... who care where the resources ARE... lets quit paying attention to that... lets pick the berries that grow naturally...


( why do i think I sound like a luddite right now?!?!?)




yyyyyaaaaarrrrrrgggggghhh


forgive them father for they know not what they do.
I would agree with what you just said about the concept of ownership.

I just don't see how you got there from my suggestion that we pay
attention to what's really going on in the world.

And I actually think the concept of stewardship closely borders the concept of ownership.
it is not ours to have it belongs to the furture... this is stewardship... but like many that call themslves christian you seem to think that to take care of something means you own it... I know you have a child ... do you own her?!?!?
Constitution?!?!? Isn't that a D&D stat.

Bella

#17
July 16, 2004, 07:24:21 PM
Why are you arguing with me when I'm agreeing with you?!?!?
I just said I agreed with you on the question of ownership.
I don't really own anything or anybody and don't kid myself that I do.

As for stewardship.....it's a great concept, as long as it isn't abused.
just like in a dream
you'll open your mouth to scream
and you won't make a sound

you can't believe your eyes
you can't believe your ears
you can't believe your friends
you can't believe you're here

chaosgraves:agentoferis

#18
July 16, 2004, 07:31:56 PM
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomWhy are you arguing with me when I'm agreeing with you?!?!?
I just said I agreed with you on the question of ownership.
I don't really own anything or anybody and don't kid myself that I do.

As for stewardship.....it's a great concept, as long as it isn't abused.
stewdardship is not abused... if it's "abused" it's not stewardship.

this is the concept that you are claiming you agree with me on... so why do you say why argue when we agree and then continue to not agree with me?!?!?


love you bella this is not an attack ...


* dusty burgers to Bella*
Constitution?!?!? Isn't that a D&D stat.

Bella

#19
July 16, 2004, 07:32:13 PM
Quote from: Colonel Failure
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomNot that kind of price.
It would cost paying attention and learning how to change things, and
being willing face the truth and all sorts of unpleasant, but liberating, things.

Bah!

Humbug!

The good, loyal, patriotic people of the USofA don't have to put up with that kind of touchy-feely, mamby-pamby crap! They should continue to eat cardboard hamburgers and wear jeans made for US$0.12 an hour in india and buy cars that get six gallons to the mile without ever having to realize that they are at least partially responsible for the misery and resentment that causes other countries and radical politico-religious groups to dispise them world wide - BECAUSE THAT'S THE AMERICAN WAY, DAMMIT!

Truth?

We don't need no stinking truth...

8)

CF
Yeah, this is what I was trying to say.
We're lousy at trying to run the world and we should just cut it out.
And take care of the world (including ourselves and the other animals) instead of trying to run things.

But then, I'm in a particularly pissy and Un-Amurrican mood today.
just like in a dream
you'll open your mouth to scream
and you won't make a sound

you can't believe your eyes
you can't believe your ears
you can't believe your friends
you can't believe you're here

chaosgraves:agentoferis

#20
July 16, 2004, 07:36:57 PM
burns the unamerican flag
Constitution?!?!? Isn't that a D&D stat.

Bella

#21
July 16, 2004, 07:37:15 PM
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferis
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomWhy are you arguing with me when I'm agreeing with you?!?!?
I just said I agreed with you on the question of ownership.
I don't really own anything or anybody and don't kid myself that I do.

As for stewardship.....it's a great concept, as long as it isn't abused.
stewdardship is not abused... if it's "abused" it's not stewardship.

this is the concept that you are claiming you agree with me on... so why do you say why argue when we agree and then continue to not agree with me?!?!?


love you bella this is not an attack ...


* dusty burgers to Bella*
You're playing word games with me and I'm not in the mood.

I don't believe we have the right to control other people or that there is truly any such thing as "ownership".
When we buy something we pay for the priveledge of using it for a while.
Doesn't give us the right to destroy it or take it for granted or deny future generations the use of it.

People use the word "Stewardship" as an excuse to do all sorts of shitty things.
And you're right - it isn't really stewardship when that happens.

* no thank you, I'm not hungry.*
just like in a dream
you'll open your mouth to scream
and you won't make a sound

you can't believe your eyes
you can't believe your ears
you can't believe your friends
you can't believe you're here

chaosgraves:agentoferis

#22
July 16, 2004, 07:42:30 PM
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of Doom
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferis
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomWhy are you arguing with me when I'm agreeing with you?!?!?
I just said I agreed with you on the question of ownership.
I don't really own anything or anybody and don't kid myself that I do.

As for stewardship.....it's a great concept, as long as it isn't abused.
stewdardship is not abused... if it's "abused" it's not stewardship.

this is the concept that you are claiming you agree with me on... so why do you say why argue when we agree and then continue to not agree with me?!?!?


love you bella this is not an attack ...


* dusty burgers to Bella*
You're playing word games with me and I'm not in the mood.

I don't believe we have the right to control other people or that there is truly any such thing as "ownership".
When we buy something we pay for the priveledge of using it for a while.
Doesn't give us the right to destroy it or take it for granted or deny future generations the use of it.

People use the word "Stewardship" as an excuse to do all sorts of shitty things.
And you're right - it isn't really stewardship when that happens.

* no thank you, I'm not hungry.*
yes i'm sorry I'm playing word games... this one was called "communication"... and I understand now that you don't want to play...


but we should stop useing words in the same way that those who use them as excuses do ... * hot coffee to bella*
Constitution?!?!? Isn't that a D&D stat.

Bella

#23
July 16, 2004, 07:44:48 PM
That's not true. I do want to communicate with you.
I just can't make sense of how we got from my first post to here.
The leap you made escapes me, and my feeling was that you
were just yanking my chain.
If that's not true, I apologise.

*No coffee, please*
just like in a dream
you'll open your mouth to scream
and you won't make a sound

you can't believe your eyes
you can't believe your ears
you can't believe your friends
you can't believe you're here

chaosgraves:agentoferis

#24
July 16, 2004, 07:48:57 PM
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomThat's not true. I do want to communicate with you.
I just can't make sense of how we got from first post to here.
The leap you made escapes me, and my feeling was that you
were just yanking my chain.
If that's not true, I apologise.

No coffee, please/
sorry paying attention leads down both roads for wealth and illth... it's not paying attention that will save us just as the answer is not not paying attention...I was a little upset ... not at you... juyst was ranting.... and maybe that got you upset a little at me... and... wait a minute hear we are both people that are wondering why we keep doing this to ourselves and well we did it to ourselves...
Constitution?!?!? Isn't that a D&D stat.

Colonel Failure

#25
July 16, 2004, 07:55:11 PM
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferis
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomThat's not true. I do want to communicate with you.
I just can't make sense of how we got from first post to here.
The leap you made escapes me, and my feeling was that you
were just yanking my chain.
If that's not true, I apologise.

No coffee, please/
sorry paying attention leads down both roads for wealth and illth... it's not paying attention that will save us just as the answer is not not paying attention...I was a little upset ... not at you... juyst was ranting.... and maybe that got you upset a little at me... and... wait a minute hear we are both people that are wondering why we keep doing this to ourselves and well we did it to ourselves...

What are you two arguing about, anyway?





wait for it...





I wasn't paying attention.

8)

CF
All I knew, all I believed
Are crumbling images
No longer comforting me.
Scramble to reach higher ground,
Order and sanity,
Something to comfort me.

I take what is mine, and hold what is mine,
Suffocate what is mine, and bury what's mine.
Soon the water will come
And claim what is mine.
I must leave it behind,
And climb to a new place now.

This ground is not the rock I thought it to be.

   Tool, Flood
----------------
Do you believe
In the lies, the lies, the lies that shape your world?
Do you believe
In your own, your own, fictitious immortality?

The world won't end while you walk the earth
And when you realize that your life don't matter
You'll turn to something to help you forget
That you're only young once, old forever

And we become what we hate
(Don't think of us)

    -Screeching Weasel, What We Hate[/size][/color]

Bella

#26
July 16, 2004, 07:56:07 PM
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferis
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomThat's not true. I do want to communicate with you.
I just can't make sense of how we got from first post to here.
The leap you made escapes me, and my feeling was that you
were just yanking my chain.
If that's not true, I apologise.

No coffee, please/
sorry paying attention leads down both roads for wealth and illth... it's not paying attention that will save us just as the answer is not not paying attention...I was a little upset ... not at you... juyst was ranting.... and maybe that got you upset a little at me... and... wait a minute hear we are both people that are wondering why we keep doing this to ourselves and well we did it to ourselves...
Okay, thank you.
I just couldn't make sense of the conversation.
Now that you filled in the gaps, I feel much less frustrated.

I was already quite upset when I got on the boards today - but not at you.
So yup, we sure did do it to ourselves.
just like in a dream
you'll open your mouth to scream
and you won't make a sound

you can't believe your eyes
you can't believe your ears
you can't believe your friends
you can't believe you're here

Colonel Failure

#27
July 16, 2004, 07:57:28 PM
Quote from: The ColonelPeople usually have no further to look for the source of their troubles than the mirror. But they frequently begin their search far afield.
All I knew, all I believed
Are crumbling images
No longer comforting me.
Scramble to reach higher ground,
Order and sanity,
Something to comfort me.

I take what is mine, and hold what is mine,
Suffocate what is mine, and bury what's mine.
Soon the water will come
And claim what is mine.
I must leave it behind,
And climb to a new place now.

This ground is not the rock I thought it to be.

   Tool, Flood
----------------
Do you believe
In the lies, the lies, the lies that shape your world?
Do you believe
In your own, your own, fictitious immortality?

The world won't end while you walk the earth
And when you realize that your life don't matter
You'll turn to something to help you forget
That you're only young once, old forever

And we become what we hate
(Don't think of us)

    -Screeching Weasel, What We Hate[/size][/color]

chaosgraves:agentoferis

#28
July 16, 2004, 07:57:41 PM
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of Doom
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferis
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomThat's not true. I do want to communicate with you.
I just can't make sense of how we got from first post to here.
The leap you made escapes me, and my feeling was that you
were just yanking my chain.
If that's not true, I apologise.

No coffee, please/
sorry paying attention leads down both roads for wealth and illth... it's not paying attention that will save us just as the answer is not not paying attention...I was a little upset ... not at you... juyst was ranting.... and maybe that got you upset a little at me... and... wait a minute hear we are both people that are wondering why we keep doing this to ourselves and well we did it to ourselves...
Okay, thank you.
I just couldn't make sense of the conversation.
Now that you filled in the gaps, I feel much less frustrated.

I was already quite upset when I got on the boards today - but not at you.
So yup, we sure did do it to ourselves.
Still in "Montana"?!?!?
Constitution?!?!? Isn't that a D&D stat.

Bella

#29
July 16, 2004, 07:59:43 PM
Yes, I go home on Monday.
just like in a dream
you'll open your mouth to scream
and you won't make a sound

you can't believe your eyes
you can't believe your ears
you can't believe your friends
you can't believe you're here
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