Principia Discordia

Principia Discordia => Aneristic Illusions => Topic started by: Mangrove on August 16, 2011, 04:16:14 PM

Title: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Mangrove on August 16, 2011, 04:16:14 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/silicon-valley-billionaire-funding-creation-artificial-libertarian-islands-140840896.html


:lulz:
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 16, 2011, 04:19:39 PM
Quote"a kind of floating petri dish for implementing policies that libertarians, stymied by indifference at the voting booths, have been unable to advance: no welfare, looser building codes, no minimum wage, and few restrictions on weapons."


Yeah, this is going to end well. Especially because you want looser building codes on a platform that you're living on.

Libertarianism might be a self-correcting problem.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Cramulus on August 16, 2011, 04:20:55 PM
hahaaaaa I can't wait to read headlines about this failing
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Disco Pickle on August 16, 2011, 04:21:49 PM
FINALLY, an IRL Rapture.

All I want to know is when I can juice up with the Insect Swarm plasmid.  

That shit looks awesome.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Cain on August 16, 2011, 04:32:27 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on August 16, 2011, 04:21:49 PM
FINALLY, an IRL Rapture.

:lol: I'm glad I'm not the only one whose thoughts first turned to that.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 16, 2011, 04:37:34 PM
I cannot possibly overstate how big a fan I am of this idea.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 16, 2011, 04:38:21 PM
This is certain to be at least as big of a success as Dubai!
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Faust on August 16, 2011, 04:40:29 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on August 16, 2011, 04:21:49 PM
FINALLY, an IRL Rapture.

All I want to know is when I can juice up with the Insect Swarm plasmid.  

That shit looks awesome.

Bioshock is a well written, entertaining and atmospheric work, something Atlas shrugged is not.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 16, 2011, 04:40:38 PM
Actually, this is kinda cool. I never read Atlas Shrugged because there are better and more enjoyable ways to waste my time, but isn't the premise that all of the "producers" of this particular society start disappearing and end up forming a Laissez-faire Libertarian utopia?

Picture it.

An artificial island nation, made up entirely of teabaggers, in honor of Ayn Rand. The ex-pat "producers" of America.

Think about all of the awesome art and scientific progress that can be made in a one-party country made up of 10 billionaires and a thousand aging, diabetic rednecks.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on August 16, 2011, 05:37:19 PM
So, let's just say for hypothesis sake that a bunch of happy psychos decided to storm this place and rape and pillage and shit, just like in the good old viking days. It wouldn't be technically illegal, in any country that was left standing? No one would stop us them? :evil:
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 16, 2011, 05:50:00 PM
Man you are itching to use that longboat of yours...
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 16, 2011, 05:51:04 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 16, 2011, 05:37:19 PM
So, let's just say for hypothesis sake that a bunch of happy psychos decided to storm this place and rape and pillage and shit, just like in the good old viking days. It wouldn't be technically illegal, in any country that was left standing? No one would stop us them? :evil:

Yeah, actually, piracy was pretty much the first thing that came to my mind. A floating, theoretically self-sufficient island full of rich people? PERFECT.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Elder Iptuous on August 16, 2011, 05:56:36 PM
Well, if i were to go sign up for a seasteading micronation, one of the big attractions would be the legality of unrestricted ownership of weapons.  so the island i was on would probably not be a soft target...

the people that start a micronation because they just want to have raw milk would probably be easier to hit, but wouldn't be worthwhile.

the rich guys would probably have a good security force on the payroll.  and maybe a Aegis system in place...
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Elder Iptuous on August 16, 2011, 06:01:28 PM
just noticed that the seasteading institute actually mentions piracy in their faq
http://seasteading.org/about-seasteading/frequently-asked-questions#pirates
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 16, 2011, 06:04:25 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 16, 2011, 05:56:36 PM
Well, if i were to go sign up for a seasteading micronation, one of the big attractions would be the legality of unrestricted ownership of weapons.  so the island i was on would probably not be a soft target...

the people that start a micronation because they just want to have raw milk would probably be easier to hit, but wouldn't be worthwhile.

the rich guys would probably have a good security force on the payroll.  and maybe a Aegis system in place...

Of course they'd have security. But the first few times they were raided, I bet they wouldn't have enough security, and here's why: since it's every man for himself, the less-rich would be your entry point.

After a while, though, I'm sure it would occur to them to form a military to protect the entire island. Of course, they would have to have everyone contribute to the group fund to form such a military... and other issues, such as maintaining the infrastructure and sanitation.

:lulz:
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Cain on August 16, 2011, 06:07:21 PM
And most of those doing the protecting wont be libertarian businessmen, but probably hired mercenaries.

Mercenaries are really trustworthy, yo.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 16, 2011, 06:08:40 PM
Nigel are you saying that evil socialism and its devil taxes are inevitable?
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 16, 2011, 06:14:15 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 16, 2011, 06:07:21 PM
And most of those doing the protecting wont be libertarian businessmen, but probably hired mercenaries.

Mercenaries are really trustworthy, yo.

Dear mercenaries; please protect us and don't sell us out to your pirate friends. Thanks!

-Island full of rich Libertarians
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 16, 2011, 06:14:41 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on August 16, 2011, 06:08:40 PM
Nigel are you saying that evil socialism and its devil taxes are inevitable?

Only if we want to survive.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Cain on August 16, 2011, 06:17:15 PM
Quote from: Nigel on August 16, 2011, 06:14:15 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 16, 2011, 06:07:21 PM
And most of those doing the protecting wont be libertarian businessmen, but probably hired mercenaries.

Mercenaries are really trustworthy, yo.

Dear mercenaries; please protect us and don't sell us out to your pirate friends. Thanks!

-Island full of rich Libertarians

PS: it is totally within your rational self-interest not to hold us hostage.  Srsly.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 16, 2011, 06:24:04 PM
This seasteading idea keeps getting better and better!
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on August 16, 2011, 06:26:21 PM
I have a cunning plan. See, what we do is we build this giant wooden fish, and then we push it up to the gates...
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Disco Pickle on August 16, 2011, 06:38:22 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 16, 2011, 06:26:21 PM
I have a cunning plan. See, what we do is we build this giant wooden fish, and then we push it up to the gates...

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

fucking hell P3nT, this monitor is expensive and NOT MINE.
Title: Libertarian Paradise...
Post by: PopeTom on August 16, 2011, 06:49:49 PM
...that isn't Somalia?

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/silicon-valley-billionaire-funding-creation-artificial-libertarian-islands-140840896.html

I can't wait to see how this works out.

QuoteThe idea is for these countries to start from scratch--free from the laws, regulations, and moral codes of any existing place.

Quote...a kind of floating petri dish for implementing policies that libertarians, stymied by indifference at the voting booths, have been unable to advance: no welfare, looser building codes, no minimum wage, and few restrictions on weapons.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 16, 2011, 07:05:09 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 16, 2011, 06:17:15 PM
Quote from: Nigel on August 16, 2011, 06:14:15 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 16, 2011, 06:07:21 PM
And most of those doing the protecting wont be libertarian businessmen, but probably hired mercenaries.

Mercenaries are really trustworthy, yo.

Dear mercenaries; please protect us and don't sell us out to your pirate friends. Thanks!

-Island full of rich Libertarians

PS: it is totally within your rational self-interest not to hold us hostage.  Srsly.

:lulz:
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Freeky on August 16, 2011, 07:21:35 PM
THIS IS THE BEST IDEA ALL DECADE.
Title: Re: Libertarian Paradise...
Post by: Adios on August 16, 2011, 08:15:46 PM
I predict this will not end well.
Title: Re: Libertarian Paradise...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 16, 2011, 09:18:52 PM
Hey PopeTom, check this thread for a fairly amusing discussion of this: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=29963.0;topicseen
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 16, 2011, 09:21:23 PM
Quote from: Jenkem and SPACE/TIME on August 16, 2011, 07:21:35 PM
THIS IS THE BEST IDEA ALL DECADE.

I am seriously loving this.  :lulz:
Title: Re: Libertarian Paradise...
Post by: PopeTom on August 16, 2011, 09:37:44 PM
Quote from: Nigel on August 16, 2011, 09:18:52 PM
Hey PopeTom, check this thread for a fairly amusing discussion of this: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=29963.0;topicseen

Yea I had noticed that after my initial post.

I missed it because much like advertisements for singles sites I don't see references to Ayn Rand unless I deliberately look at them.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: PopeTom on August 16, 2011, 09:40:54 PM
I want to know what's going to happen first a Cocoanut Grove like fire due to non-existant building codes or a slave indentured servant rebellion.
Title: Libertarians Build Their Own Islands.
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 16, 2011, 09:56:08 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/silicon-valley-billionaire-funding-creation-artificial-libertarian-islands-140840896.html

QuoteThiel has been a big backer of the Seasteading Institute, which seeks to build sovereign nations on oil rig-like platforms to occupy waters beyond the reach of law-of-the-sea treaties. The idea is for these countries to start from scratch--free from the laws, regulations, and moral codes of any existing place. Details says the experiment would be "a kind of floating petri dish for implementing policies that libertarians, stymied by indifference at the voting booths, have been unable to advance: no welfare, looser building codes, no minimum wage, and few restrictions on weapons."

Because there's no way that will go wrong.
Title: Re: Libertarians Build Their Own Islands.
Post by: Disco Pickle on August 16, 2011, 09:58:25 PM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 16, 2011, 09:56:08 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/silicon-valley-billionaire-funding-creation-artificial-libertarian-islands-140840896.html

QuoteThiel has been a big backer of the Seasteading Institute, which seeks to build sovereign nations on oil rig-like platforms to occupy waters beyond the reach of law-of-the-sea treaties. The idea is for these countries to start from scratch--free from the laws, regulations, and moral codes of any existing place. Details says the experiment would be "a kind of floating petri dish for implementing policies that libertarians, stymied by indifference at the voting booths, have been unable to advance: no welfare, looser building codes, no minimum wage, and few restrictions on weapons."

Because there's no way that will go wrong.


Third thread about this of the day.

I'm beginning to think you guys like to laugh at libertarians.

:lulz:
Title: Re: Libertarians Build Their Own Islands.
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 16, 2011, 10:01:16 PM
I didn't see the other two, sorry. But yeah, they're always good for a chuckle. Mod, pls delete or merge if necessary.
Title: Re: Libertarians Build Their Own Islands.
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 16, 2011, 10:01:40 PM
Ahahaa. There they are.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 16, 2011, 10:01:54 PM
Quote from: PopeTom on August 16, 2011, 09:40:54 PM
I want to know what's going to happen first a Cocoanut Grove like fire due to non-existant building codes or a slave indentured servant rebellion.

The best part is that they're modular, and each module is fully maintained by the occupants, like a tiny floating empire. Which means that, with no codes or regulations, the potential for lulzy disaster is endless!
Title: Re: Libertarians Build Their Own Islands.
Post by: PopeTom on August 16, 2011, 10:02:00 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on August 16, 2011, 09:58:25 PM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 16, 2011, 09:56:08 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/silicon-valley-billionaire-funding-creation-artificial-libertarian-islands-140840896.html

QuoteThiel has been a big backer of the Seasteading Institute, which seeks to build sovereign nations on oil rig-like platforms to occupy waters beyond the reach of law-of-the-sea treaties. The idea is for these countries to start from scratch--free from the laws, regulations, and moral codes of any existing place. Details says the experiment would be "a kind of floating petri dish for implementing policies that libertarians, stymied by indifference at the voting booths, have been unable to advance: no welfare, looser building codes, no minimum wage, and few restrictions on weapons."

Because there's no way that will go wrong.


Third thread about this of the day.

I'm beginning to think you guys like to laugh at libertarians.

:lulz:

we're Discordians, we know a bad idea when we see it!
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: PopeTom on August 16, 2011, 10:04:51 PM
Quote from: Nigel on August 16, 2011, 10:01:54 PM
Quote from: PopeTom on August 16, 2011, 09:40:54 PM
I want to know what's going to happen first a Cocoanut Grove like fire due to non-existant building codes or a slave indentured servant rebellion.

The best part is that they're modular, and each module is fully maintained by the occupants, like a tiny floating empire. Which means that, with no codes or regulations, the potential for lulzy disaster is endless!

So it'll be like a community of sovereign where a neighbor's dog pooping on your lawn will be answered by land mines, shot guns, and eventual invasion and enslavement?

Or at least that's what I'm hoping for.
Title: Re: Libertarian Paradise...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 16, 2011, 10:10:28 PM
Quote from: PopeTom on August 16, 2011, 09:37:44 PM
Quote from: Nigel on August 16, 2011, 09:18:52 PM
Hey PopeTom, check this thread for a fairly amusing discussion of this: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=29963.0;topicseen

Yea I had noticed that after my initial post.

I missed it because much like advertisements for singles sites I don't see references to Ayn Rand unless I deliberately look at them.

:lulz:
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on August 16, 2011, 10:10:53 PM
This whole thing fills me with glee.   :lulz:
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 16, 2011, 10:26:59 PM
Quote from: PopeTom on August 16, 2011, 10:04:51 PM
Quote from: Nigel on August 16, 2011, 10:01:54 PM
Quote from: PopeTom on August 16, 2011, 09:40:54 PM
I want to know what's going to happen first a Cocoanut Grove like fire due to non-existant building codes or a slave indentured servant rebellion.

The best part is that they're modular, and each module is fully maintained by the occupants, like a tiny floating empire. Which means that, with no codes or regulations, the potential for lulzy disaster is endless!

So it'll be like a community of sovereign where a neighbor's dog pooping on your lawn will be answered by land mines, shot guns, and eventual invasion and enslavement?

Or at least that's what I'm hoping for.

In Libertarian Sealand, anything is possible!

There is no way for this not to turn epic. My greatest worry is that it will fizzle out early, before the potential for lulz really develops. It has to START OUT a ripping success, so that when it starts to fail it can be really, REALLY good.

I think this should ideally occur over a timeline of about 40 years, so hopefully I'll still be alive for the good stuff.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 16, 2011, 10:29:24 PM
Actually, I can see it really going places in only 30 years... the first ten, a Utopia of building and cooperation, the second ten, we see the first failures, the last ten, pure anarchist feudalism, disaster, and mayhem out on the open seas!
Title: Re: Libertarians Build Their Own Islands.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 16, 2011, 10:30:22 PM
This century is starting to look AWESOME.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 16, 2011, 10:32:17 PM
I give it ten years tops. Utopias have a tendency do go dystopian within a handful of years.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 16, 2011, 10:34:17 PM
Also since they are technically separatists they should be stripped of us citizenship.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Elder Iptuous on August 16, 2011, 10:42:58 PM
Quote from: Nigel on August 16, 2011, 10:29:24 PM
Actually, I can see it really going places in only 30 years... the first ten, a Utopia of building and cooperation, the second ten, we see the first failures, the last ten, pure anarchist feudalism, disaster, and mayhem out on the open seas!

I know that bashing the libertarians is fun, but on a side note, the Seasteading Foundation claims that they do not support one government form over another, but instead just want to promote these structures so that governmental experimentation of all flavors might be pursued, since there is no frontier on land that this can viably occur anymore.

Given that this was the type of environment that the american colonies gestated in, to a limited extent1, it would seem to me that there is some opportunity for success as well as failure, just like they had.

Do you believe that it is possible for some measure of success in a venture like this?



1- it is probably most notable that there is no longer the relative isolation that the colonies enjoyed/endured since the world is such a smaller place these days.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 16, 2011, 10:52:42 PM
Big potential for failure- very limited resources. Fish and oil maybe but everything else would have to be imported. Some basic things will become way more expensive due to transportation costs.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 16, 2011, 10:53:47 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 16, 2011, 10:42:58 PM
Quote from: Nigel on August 16, 2011, 10:29:24 PM
Actually, I can see it really going places in only 30 years... the first ten, a Utopia of building and cooperation, the second ten, we see the first failures, the last ten, pure anarchist feudalism, disaster, and mayhem out on the open seas!

I know that bashing the libertarians is fun, but on a side note, the Seasteading Foundation claims that they do not support one government form over another, but instead just want to promote these structures so that governmental experimentation of all flavors might be pursued, since there is no frontier on land that this can viably occur anymore.

Given that this was the type of environment that the american colonies gestated in, to a limited extent1, it would seem to me that there is some opportunity for success as well as failure, just like they had.

Do you believe that it is possible for some measure of success in a venture like this?



1- it is probably most notable that there is no longer the relative isolation that the colonies enjoyed/endured since the world is such a smaller place these days.

I think that it would have a chance... albeit a small one... if they were forming governments or at least signing contracts that everyone agreed to follow. The colonies you compare them to had laws governing conduct, they paid taxes to support public works... and frontier law was often brutal.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Juana on August 16, 2011, 10:56:59 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on August 16, 2011, 10:34:17 PM
Also since they are technically separatists they should be stripped of us citizenship.
Let's hope. I'd like to be able to tell them they can't come back when this gets nasty. We'll accept them back anyway, or at least the rich, but still, it would be nice.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 16, 2011, 11:06:41 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on August 16, 2011, 10:32:17 PM
I give it ten years tops. Utopias have a tendency do go dystopian within a handful of years.

Two.

Tops.

And there's gonna be a lot of bones stacked underneath this one.
Title: Re: Libertarians Build Their Own Islands.
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 16, 2011, 11:07:38 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on August 16, 2011, 09:58:25 PM

I'm beginning to think you guys like to laugh at libertarians.

:lulz:

It's okay.  We laugh at other people, too.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 16, 2011, 11:18:10 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 16, 2011, 11:06:41 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on August 16, 2011, 10:32:17 PM
I give it ten years tops. Utopias have a tendency do go dystopian within a handful of years.

Two.

Tops.

And there's gonna be a lot of bones stacked underneath this one.

It'll take longer than that to build the things.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 16, 2011, 11:20:43 PM
Quote from: Nigel on August 16, 2011, 11:18:10 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 16, 2011, 11:06:41 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on August 16, 2011, 10:32:17 PM
I give it ten years tops. Utopias have a tendency do go dystopian within a handful of years.

Two.

Tops.

And there's gonna be a lot of bones stacked underneath this one.


It'll take longer than that to build the things.


And?

The Lord of the Flies didn't wait for the huts to get built.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 16, 2011, 11:44:32 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 16, 2011, 11:20:43 PM
Quote from: Nigel on August 16, 2011, 11:18:10 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 16, 2011, 11:06:41 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on August 16, 2011, 10:32:17 PM
I give it ten years tops. Utopias have a tendency do go dystopian within a handful of years.

Two.

Tops.

And there's gonna be a lot of bones stacked underneath this one.


It'll take longer than that to build the things.


And?

The Lord of the Flies didn't wait for the huts to get built.

This is true.

But I am still hoping for a long enough run that things really have a chance to get FUNNY.
Title: Re: Libertarians Build Their Own Islands.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 17, 2011, 09:10:05 AM
Sounds like a bigass Lord Of The Flies setup.  :lulz:
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 17, 2011, 05:02:38 PM
Stripping them of citizenship opens the door for them to resort to illegal immigration which i think would be the icing on the cake.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 17, 2011, 05:57:39 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on August 17, 2011, 05:02:38 PM
Stripping them of citizenship opens the door for them to resort to illegal immigration which i think would be the icing on the cake.

Oh that would be PRICELESS.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Disco Pickle on August 17, 2011, 06:13:39 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on August 17, 2011, 05:02:38 PM
Stripping them of citizenship opens the door for them to resort to illegal immigration which i think would be the icing on the cake.

They can just buy citizenship from another country.  In Mexico it's $150,000 "donation" to invest in their business infrastructure.

Not sure how much in other countries.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on August 17, 2011, 06:17:39 PM
Thread over. There's no way we can produce anything even remotely as funny as this (http://seasteading.org/about-seasteading/introduction)

They even have a ten year old lecturing on video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIqA7RMHsHo). Reminds me of Zuckerberg crossed with what the bleep.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 17, 2011, 06:19:09 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 17, 2011, 06:17:39 PM
Thread over. There's no way we can produce anything even remotely as funny as this (http://seasteading.org/about-seasteading/introduction)

They're all going to die.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 17, 2011, 06:45:44 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 17, 2011, 06:19:09 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 17, 2011, 06:17:39 PM
Thread over. There's no way we can produce anything even remotely as funny as this (http://seasteading.org/about-seasteading/introduction)

They're all going to die.

Government as industry. Floating industry with captive "customer" populations.

What could go wrong?

(Totally not missing the hilarious similarity to our idea a couple of years ago for buying an old cargo ship and converting it into a floating Nation of Discordia.)
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 17, 2011, 06:50:35 PM
Quote from: Nigel on August 17, 2011, 06:45:44 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 17, 2011, 06:19:09 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 17, 2011, 06:17:39 PM
Thread over. There's no way we can produce anything even remotely as funny as this (http://seasteading.org/about-seasteading/introduction)

They're all going to die.

Government as industry. Floating industry with captive "customer" populations.

What could go wrong?

Wage or even chattel slavery followed by a nice hurricane.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 17, 2011, 07:05:03 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 17, 2011, 06:50:35 PM
Quote from: Nigel on August 17, 2011, 06:45:44 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 17, 2011, 06:19:09 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 17, 2011, 06:17:39 PM
Thread over. There's no way we can produce anything even remotely as funny as this (http://seasteading.org/about-seasteading/introduction)

They're all going to die.

Government as industry. Floating industry with captive "customer" populations.

What could go wrong?

Wage or even chattel slavery followed by a nice hurricane.

It's going to be AWESOME. SO

SO


GREAT.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 17, 2011, 07:06:21 PM
Quote from: Nigel on August 17, 2011, 07:05:03 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 17, 2011, 06:50:35 PM
Quote from: Nigel on August 17, 2011, 06:45:44 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 17, 2011, 06:19:09 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 17, 2011, 06:17:39 PM
Thread over. There's no way we can produce anything even remotely as funny as this (http://seasteading.org/about-seasteading/introduction)

They're all going to die.

Government as industry. Floating industry with captive "customer" populations.

What could go wrong?

Wage or even chattel slavery followed by a nice hurricane.

It's going to be AWESOME. SO

SO


GREAT.

Them:  HELP US!

US Coast Guard:  We can't help noticing that you haven't paid your premiums.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 17, 2011, 07:10:41 PM
:lulz:
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 17, 2011, 07:12:25 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 17, 2011, 07:06:21 PM
Quote from: Nigel on August 17, 2011, 07:05:03 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 17, 2011, 06:50:35 PM
Quote from: Nigel on August 17, 2011, 06:45:44 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 17, 2011, 06:19:09 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 17, 2011, 06:17:39 PM
Thread over. There's no way we can produce anything even remotely as funny as this (http://seasteading.org/about-seasteading/introduction)

They're all going to die.

Government as industry. Floating industry with captive "customer" populations.

What could go wrong?

Wage or even chattel slavery followed by a nice hurricane.

It's going to be AWESOME. SO

SO


GREAT.

Them:  HELP US!

US Coast Guard:  We can't help noticing that you haven't paid your premiums.

ZING!
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Cain on August 17, 2011, 07:14:31 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 16, 2011, 10:42:58 PM
Quote from: Nigel on August 16, 2011, 10:29:24 PM
Actually, I can see it really going places in only 30 years... the first ten, a Utopia of building and cooperation, the second ten, we see the first failures, the last ten, pure anarchist feudalism, disaster, and mayhem out on the open seas!

I know that bashing the libertarians is fun, but on a side note, the Seasteading Foundation claims that they do not support one government form over another, but instead just want to promote these structures so that governmental experimentation of all flavors might be pursued, since there is no frontier on land that this can viably occur anymore.

Philosophically, I could agree with such a program, but realistically centralised states have always had massive advantages over decentralised states, and historically the former tend to eliminate the latter quite easily, and states tend to disapprove of competition at the best of times.

Which really means this is only going to end up one of two ways - if it fails internally, well, no-one will cry much.  And if it succeeds somehow...privateers.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Disco Pickle on August 17, 2011, 08:57:12 PM
Relevant to this thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0Ty9jFRtOw&feature=share

"I CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS TO FAIL"

:lulz:

Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 17, 2011, 11:13:38 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on August 17, 2011, 08:57:12 PM
Relevant to this thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0Ty9jFRtOw&feature=share

"I CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS TO FAIL"

:lulz:



One of the commentors has a great point; why don't wealthy Libertarians (who I don't think there are many of, actually) colonize Somalia? It's ripe for the picking, all they need is their own militia. A million dollars in Somalia would probably buy you a pretty big start from which to expand an empire.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 17, 2011, 11:23:39 PM
That would involve teabaggers living in the same place as a bunch ofpoor black people.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 17, 2011, 11:25:05 PM
And muslims. I forgot about them being muslim.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 17, 2011, 11:26:01 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on August 17, 2011, 11:23:39 PM
That would involve teabaggers living in the same place as a bunch ofpoor black people.

Point.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Elder Iptuous on August 18, 2011, 12:11:32 AM
I think i'm missing something.
everyone is gleefully thinking about how Mr. Thiel's Island is going to burn to the seafloor in a spectacular failure of radical libertarian foolishness....
but.
all i've seen is that he's donated 1.25M to the seasteading institue, which specifically says on their website that they aren't going to be building any islands themselves.  they just do studies, etc.
so...
who's making an island here?
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 18, 2011, 12:30:40 AM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 18, 2011, 12:11:32 AM
I think i'm missing something.
everyone is gleefully thinking about how Mr. Thiel's Island is going to burn to the seafloor in a spectacular failure of radical libertarian foolishness....
but.
all i've seen is that he's donated 1.25M to the seasteading institue, which specifically says on their website that they aren't going to be building any islands themselves.  they just do studies, etc.
so...
who's making an island here?

Nobody, yet. They hope to attract investors who will build islands and experiment with different forms of government.

Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Disco Pickle on August 18, 2011, 12:39:55 AM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 18, 2011, 12:11:32 AM
I think i'm missing something.
everyone is gleefully thinking about how Mr. Thiel's Island is going to burn to the seafloor in a spectacular failure of radical libertarian foolishness....
but.
all i've seen is that he's donated 1.25M to the seasteading institue, which specifically says on their website that they aren't going to be building any islands themselves.  they just do studies, etc.
so...
who's making an island here?

Come on Ippy, you've been here longer than I and you know that when ANY libertarian idea is discussed, no matter WHAT, it's met with :lulzlibertardians: are teh lail.

Concrete concepts are not necessary if the get in the way of teh lulz
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 18, 2011, 01:09:17 AM
Not to mention that this one has the potential to fail in an EPIC AND HILARIOUS (BY WHICH I MEAN TRAGIC AND AWFUL) way. Which is why I very deeply hope that Roger's prediction is wrong, and mine is right.

This particular idea is WAY too awesome to fail after a mere few years.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 18, 2011, 01:11:30 AM
OH OH OH

I forgot the best part! That the potential number of islands and variety of experimental governmental styles, should this take off, means there is potential for SO MANY DIFFERENT KINDS OF GLORIOUS FAILURE!!! If this works, it could be one of the most educational experiments EVER!
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 18, 2011, 01:14:51 AM
Im kinda hoping the communists build one right next to the libertarians for extra lulz.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 18, 2011, 01:34:42 AM
I want Anarchists to build one, but first Anarchists would have to have money.  :cry:

Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Elder Iptuous on August 18, 2011, 01:46:18 AM
according to TYT, the libertarians are anarchists...
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 18, 2011, 01:46:39 AM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on August 18, 2011, 12:39:55 AM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 18, 2011, 12:11:32 AM
I think i'm missing something.
everyone is gleefully thinking about how Mr. Thiel's Island is going to burn to the seafloor in a spectacular failure of radical libertarian foolishness....
but.
all i've seen is that he's donated 1.25M to the seasteading institue, which specifically says on their website that they aren't going to be building any islands themselves.  they just do studies, etc.
so...
who's making an island here?

Come on Ippy, you've been here longer than I and you know that when ANY libertarian idea is discussed, no matter WHAT, it's met with :lulzlibertardians: are teh lail.

Concrete concepts are not necessary if the get in the way of teh lulz


Wait.  They're not even doing it?

:lulz:

THIS JUST GETS BETTER AND BETTER!

Dok,
A huge fan of the Ron Paul method of colonization.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 18, 2011, 01:47:10 AM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 18, 2011, 01:46:18 AM
according to TYT, the libertarians are anarchists...

TYT?
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 18, 2011, 01:54:21 AM
Im guessing the young turks.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Luna on August 18, 2011, 01:54:59 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 18, 2011, 01:46:39 AM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on August 18, 2011, 12:39:55 AM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 18, 2011, 12:11:32 AM
I think i'm missing something.
everyone is gleefully thinking about how Mr. Thiel's Island is going to burn to the seafloor in a spectacular failure of radical libertarian foolishness....
but.
all i've seen is that he's donated 1.25M to the seasteading institue, which specifically says on their website that they aren't going to be building any islands themselves.  they just do studies, etc.
so...
who's making an island here?

Come on Ippy, you've been here longer than I and you know that when ANY libertarian idea is discussed, no matter WHAT, it's met with :lulzlibertardians: are teh lail.

Concrete concepts are not necessary if the get in the way of teh lulz


Wait.  They're not even doing it?

:lulz:

THIS JUST GETS BETTER AND BETTER!

Dok,
A huge fan of the Ron Paul method of colonization.

Apparently, they're just collecting cash from people who HOPE they will do it.

Shit, why can't I ever think of this kind of thing first?
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 18, 2011, 02:00:42 AM
Quote from: Luna on August 18, 2011, 01:54:59 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 18, 2011, 01:46:39 AM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on August 18, 2011, 12:39:55 AM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 18, 2011, 12:11:32 AM
I think i'm missing something.
everyone is gleefully thinking about how Mr. Thiel's Island is going to burn to the seafloor in a spectacular failure of radical libertarian foolishness....
but.
all i've seen is that he's donated 1.25M to the seasteading institue, which specifically says on their website that they aren't going to be building any islands themselves.  they just do studies, etc.
so...
who's making an island here?

Come on Ippy, you've been here longer than I and you know that when ANY libertarian idea is discussed, no matter WHAT, it's met with :lulzlibertardians: are teh lail.

Concrete concepts are not necessary if the get in the way of teh lulz


Wait.  They're not even doing it?

:lulz:

THIS JUST GETS BETTER AND BETTER!

Dok,
A huge fan of the Ron Paul method of colonization.

Apparently, they're just collecting cash from people who HOPE they will do it.

Shit, why can't I ever think of this kind of thing first?

I changed my mind.  This is the most insanely GENIUS idea since the grifter from Texas coined the term "Moneybomb".
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Kai on August 18, 2011, 04:09:46 AM
Libertarianism is lulzy because it takes "let's all take on a little more responsibility for more social freedom" and turns it into "CAPITALISM AND INDUSTRY ARE GOD AND EVERYTHING THAT'S GOOD ON THIS PLANET, AND THE BUSINESSMAN CAN DO NO WRONG, ALSO, GUNS FOR ALL THE CHILDREN! ALSO ALSO, GOVERNMENT AS PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE!"
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 18, 2011, 04:18:11 AM
Its also lately turned social freedom into meaning freedom from all of those dark skinned gay non christian liberals and their demands of equality. Libertarian usually means "i dont want to admit that im a far right republican" these days.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Kai on August 18, 2011, 04:23:55 AM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on August 18, 2011, 04:18:11 AM
Its also lately turned social freedom into meaning freedom from all of those dark skinned gay non christian liberals and their demands of equality. Libertarian usually means "i dont want to admit that im a far right republican" these days.

Who was it that said that libertarians are white single twenty somethings living off a trust fund and living in starbucks?
Because this in my experience is true more often than not.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 18, 2011, 04:30:06 AM
Not sure. I have noticed the age thing though. Except when it comes to teabagger libertarians. Those all tend to be twelve year olds trapped in middle aged bodies around here.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 18, 2011, 04:37:46 AM
I know a few. They're redneck drunks and/or potheads who got disenchanted with that dry republitard Bush shit but aren't quite ready to be LIBRULS.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Kai on August 18, 2011, 04:48:37 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 18, 2011, 04:37:46 AM
I know a few. They're redneck drunks and/or potheads who got disenchanted with that dry republitard Bush shit but aren't quite ready to be LIBRULS.

Guess my stereotype is from the college crowd.

And they'll never be socially liberal, because they can't stomach the thought of smudgies and sodomites being /people/.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Mangrove on August 18, 2011, 05:06:52 AM
Dok H is right - this is actually genius. Bit like the guy who gets paid much coinage to design bunkers for rich idiots who believe in the 2012 Doomsday stuff.

Or the guy who sells '2012 survival supplies'.

Soooo much money to be had if only we look!
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 18, 2011, 05:52:16 AM
Quote from: ϗ, M.S. on August 18, 2011, 04:48:37 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 18, 2011, 04:37:46 AM
I know a few. They're redneck drunks and/or potheads who got disenchanted with that dry republitard Bush shit but aren't quite ready to be LIBRULS.

Guess my stereotype is from the college crowd.

And they'll never be socially liberal, because they can't stomach the thought of smudgies and sodomites being /people/.

Exactly. Because their whole self-image seems to hinge on looking down on people WHO ARE ACTUALLY COOLER THAN THEM.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Eater of Clowns on August 18, 2011, 05:56:07 AM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on August 18, 2011, 12:39:55 AM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 18, 2011, 12:11:32 AM
I think i'm missing something.
everyone is gleefully thinking about how Mr. Thiel's Island is going to burn to the seafloor in a spectacular failure of radical libertarian foolishness....
but.
all i've seen is that he's donated 1.25M to the seasteading institue, which specifically says on their website that they aren't going to be building any islands themselves.  they just do studies, etc.
so...
who's making an island here?

Come on Ippy, you've been here longer than I and you know that when ANY libertarian idea is discussed, no matter WHAT, it's met with :lulzlibertardians: are teh lail.

Concrete concepts are not necessary if the get in the way of teh lulz


That's an unfair generalization.  I personally don't rip on libertarians at every opportunity.

Because it's sort've like laughing at the retarded kid who can't operate the swing set.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 18, 2011, 06:13:31 AM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 18, 2011, 01:46:18 AM
according to TYT, the libertarians are anarchists...

What's TYT?

IME Libertarians are close to anarchists, but with different, equally unrealistic values.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 18, 2011, 06:14:15 AM
Quote from: ϗ, M.S. on August 18, 2011, 04:09:46 AM
Libertarianism is lulzy because it takes "let's all take on a little more responsibility for more social freedom" and turns it into "CAPITALISM AND INDUSTRY ARE GOD AND EVERYTHING THAT'S GOOD ON THIS PLANET, AND THE BUSINESSMAN CAN DO NO WRONG, ALSO, GUNS FOR ALL THE CHILDREN! ALSO ALSO, GOVERNMENT AS PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE!"

THIS THIS THIS!
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Freeky on August 18, 2011, 06:19:09 AM
Quote from: Nigel on August 18, 2011, 06:13:31 AM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 18, 2011, 01:46:18 AM
according to TYT, the libertarians are anarchists...

What's TYT?

IME Libertarians are close to anarchists, but with different, equally unrealistic values.

That chick and dude in the Youtube link earlier.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 18, 2011, 06:21:01 AM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on August 18, 2011, 05:56:07 AM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on August 18, 2011, 12:39:55 AM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 18, 2011, 12:11:32 AM
I think i'm missing something.
everyone is gleefully thinking about how Mr. Thiel's Island is going to burn to the seafloor in a spectacular failure of radical libertarian foolishness....
but.
all i've seen is that he's donated 1.25M to the seasteading institue, which specifically says on their website that they aren't going to be building any islands themselves.  they just do studies, etc.
so...
who's making an island here?

Come on Ippy, you've been here longer than I and you know that when ANY libertarian idea is discussed, no matter WHAT, it's met with :lulzlibertardians: are teh lail.

Concrete concepts are not necessary if the get in the way of teh lulz


That's an unfair generalization.  I personally don't rip on libertarians at every opportunity.

Because it's sort've like laughing at the retarded kid who can't operate the swing set.

:lulz: I learned that I wasn't really a Libertarian when I was 23, living in Oakland, working a phone sex line for a living. I thought Libertarianism sounded cool, but after being paid $60/hr to argue with a shit-ton of sex-starved Libertarians on the phone, it didn't make much sense anymore.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Freeky on August 18, 2011, 06:22:39 AM
Quote from: Nigel on August 18, 2011, 06:21:01 AM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on August 18, 2011, 05:56:07 AM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on August 18, 2011, 12:39:55 AM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 18, 2011, 12:11:32 AM
I think i'm missing something.
everyone is gleefully thinking about how Mr. Thiel's Island is going to burn to the seafloor in a spectacular failure of radical libertarian foolishness....
but.
all i've seen is that he's donated 1.25M to the seasteading institue, which specifically says on their website that they aren't going to be building any islands themselves.  they just do studies, etc.
so...
who's making an island here?

Come on Ippy, you've been here longer than I and you know that when ANY libertarian idea is discussed, no matter WHAT, it's met with :lulzlibertardians: are teh lail.

Concrete concepts are not necessary if the get in the way of teh lulz


That's an unfair generalization.  I personally don't rip on libertarians at every opportunity.

Because it's sort've like laughing at the retarded kid who can't operate the swing set.

:lulz: I learned that I wasn't really a Libertarian when I was 23, living in Oakland, working a phone sex line for a living. I thought Libertarianism sounded cool, but after being paid $60/hr to argue with a shit-ton of sex-starved Libertarians on the phone, it didn't make much sense anymore.

Who calls a sex line to argue politics?  Or did it just get there accidentally?  :lulz:
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 18, 2011, 06:22:40 AM
Quote from: Jenkem and SPACE/TIME on August 18, 2011, 06:19:09 AM
Quote from: Nigel on August 18, 2011, 06:13:31 AM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 18, 2011, 01:46:18 AM
according to TYT, the libertarians are anarchists...

What's TYT?

IME Libertarians are close to anarchists, but with different, equally unrealistic values.

That chick and dude in the Youtube link earlier.

I think they're only on the radar for leftists. I had no idea who they were.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 18, 2011, 06:23:29 AM
Quote from: Jenkem and SPACE/TIME on August 18, 2011, 06:22:39 AM
Quote from: Nigel on August 18, 2011, 06:21:01 AM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on August 18, 2011, 05:56:07 AM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on August 18, 2011, 12:39:55 AM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 18, 2011, 12:11:32 AM
I think i'm missing something.
everyone is gleefully thinking about how Mr. Thiel's Island is going to burn to the seafloor in a spectacular failure of radical libertarian foolishness....
but.
all i've seen is that he's donated 1.25M to the seasteading institue, which specifically says on their website that they aren't going to be building any islands themselves.  they just do studies, etc.
so...
who's making an island here?

Come on Ippy, you've been here longer than I and you know that when ANY libertarian idea is discussed, no matter WHAT, it's met with :lulzlibertardians: are teh lail.

Concrete concepts are not necessary if the get in the way of teh lulz


That's an unfair generalization.  I personally don't rip on libertarians at every opportunity.

Because it's sort've like laughing at the retarded kid who can't operate the swing set.

:lulz: I learned that I wasn't really a Libertarian when I was 23, living in Oakland, working a phone sex line for a living. I thought Libertarianism sounded cool, but after being paid $60/hr to argue with a shit-ton of sex-starved Libertarians on the phone, it didn't make much sense anymore.

Who calls a sex line to argue politics?  Or did it just get there accidentally?  :lulz:

Libertarians can't help it. Also, I specialized. You would be surprised how many people will pay for that.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Freeky on August 18, 2011, 06:24:21 AM
Quote from: Nigel on August 18, 2011, 06:22:40 AM
Quote from: Jenkem and SPACE/TIME on August 18, 2011, 06:19:09 AM
Quote from: Nigel on August 18, 2011, 06:13:31 AM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 18, 2011, 01:46:18 AM
according to TYT, the libertarians are anarchists...

What's TYT?

IME Libertarians are close to anarchists, but with different, equally unrealistic values.

That chick and dude in the Youtube link earlier.

I think they're only on the radar for leftists. I had no idea who they were.

Me either, I just remember the sign they had up behind them.  They're funny, though, I thought.

QuoteLibertarians can't help it.

:lulz:
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Scribbly on August 18, 2011, 09:39:54 AM
This is too amazing to ignore.

Thanks guys! I've sent this around to the people I'm working for - going to try and sell them on the idea of doing a feature extolling the virtues of seasteading as the next step in locations innovation. What better tax haven than a place you've built from the ground up!  :lulz:

Definitely want to do my part to make this a reality, and since the people I'm working for are all about attracting investment, why not?
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 18, 2011, 01:46:30 PM
Quote from: ϗ, M.S. on August 18, 2011, 04:23:55 AM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on August 18, 2011, 04:18:11 AM
Its also lately turned social freedom into meaning freedom from all of those dark skinned gay non christian liberals and their demands of equality. Libertarian usually means "i dont want to admit that im a far right republican" these days.

Who was it that said that libertarians are white single twenty somethings living off a trust fund and living in starbucks?
Because this in my experience is true more often than not.

:wave:
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Disco Pickle on August 18, 2011, 02:25:00 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on August 18, 2011, 05:56:07 AM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on August 18, 2011, 12:39:55 AM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 18, 2011, 12:11:32 AM
I think i'm missing something.
everyone is gleefully thinking about how Mr. Thiel's Island is going to burn to the seafloor in a spectacular failure of radical libertarian foolishness....
but.
all i've seen is that he's donated 1.25M to the seasteading institue, which specifically says on their website that they aren't going to be building any islands themselves.  they just do studies, etc.
so...
who's making an island here?

Come on Ippy, you've been here longer than I and you know that when ANY libertarian idea is discussed, no matter WHAT, it's met with :lulzlibertardians: are teh lail.

Concrete concepts are not necessary if the get in the way of teh lulz


That's an unfair generalization.  I personally don't rip on libertarians at every opportunity.

Because it's sort've like laughing at the retarded kid who can't operate the swing set.

:lulz:

Certainly is a lot of generalizing going on ITT, that's for damn sure.

Pots, Kettles, Ravens and Crows.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 18, 2011, 02:25:31 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on August 18, 2011, 02:25:00 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on August 18, 2011, 05:56:07 AM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on August 18, 2011, 12:39:55 AM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 18, 2011, 12:11:32 AM
I think i'm missing something.
everyone is gleefully thinking about how Mr. Thiel's Island is going to burn to the seafloor in a spectacular failure of radical libertarian foolishness....
but.
all i've seen is that he's donated 1.25M to the seasteading institue, which specifically says on their website that they aren't going to be building any islands themselves.  they just do studies, etc.
so...
who's making an island here?

Come on Ippy, you've been here longer than I and you know that when ANY libertarian idea is discussed, no matter WHAT, it's met with :lulzlibertardians: are teh lail.

Concrete concepts are not necessary if the get in the way of teh lulz


That's an unfair generalization.  I personally don't rip on libertarians at every opportunity.

Because it's sort've like laughing at the retarded kid who can't operate the swing set.

:lulz:

Certainly is a lot of generalizing going on ITT, that's for damn sure.

Pots, Kettles, Ravens and Crows.

Difference is, I'm right.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Scribbly on August 18, 2011, 03:02:14 PM
The people I work with think this is the best thing ever.  :lulz:

I have been given the task of convincing these people to advertise on our site. I can't wait to see how this goes.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Disco Pickle on August 18, 2011, 03:08:11 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 18, 2011, 02:25:31 PM

Difference is, I'm right.

and you always are.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 18, 2011, 03:08:55 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on August 18, 2011, 03:08:11 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 18, 2011, 02:25:31 PM

Difference is, I'm right.

and you always are.

Nope.  That's Nigel's job.

I'm just right at the moment.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 18, 2011, 03:24:52 PM
I wouldnt say your ideology is wrong pickle. Its just that libertarians are overlooking the same thing communists do- the fact that humans will screw it up.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Cain on August 18, 2011, 03:36:47 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on August 18, 2011, 03:24:52 PM
I wouldnt say your ideology is wrong pickle. Its just that libertarians are overlooking the same thing everyone else is - that they're all wrong.

More accurate, I would say.

Especially since liberals and conservatives (and social democrats and fascists and anarchists and theocrats and monarchists and autocrats and consociationalists and futarchists and imperalists and aristocrats and and Noocrats and stratocrats and technocrats and timocrats and tribes) do not exactly have stellar records in this area, either.

Synarchism may work, but no-one can actually ever find out, by definition.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Elder Iptuous on August 18, 2011, 04:03:40 PM
it seems to me that all political ideologies, when taken to the wall, will end in disaster.  this is for precisely the reason that you say Twid.  we'll screw it up.
so we are destined to muck around in a more flexible, but not completely satisfying middle ground.
of course there's lots of room for difference in the middle ground and people want to move our current system in any one of various directions.
So there are those that advocate moving in one direction or another that proclaim we should take our system all the way, and they look like fools.  Unfortunately, anyone that believes we should move in that direction to a limited extent can be lumped in with them, and this seems to be significant in the case of the 'libertarian' minded folk.
It has been my experience that when i advocate moving in a libertarian direction on a given subject, the response is often either someone saying, 'Yes! and we should also have private firefighting!', or another saying, 'You're a retard. i bet you also want private firefighting, and hate smudgy people, and live in your mother's basement!'
That seems a shame to me...

I am however, not riding that bandwagon like i used to.  I'm thinking maybe ECH has the right idea, personally.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on August 18, 2011, 04:14:21 PM
It's a perfectly workable idea if it weren't for the fact that it's human beings trying to implement it. Species is not capable of the level of cooperation required.

Of course this is true of non-libertarian utopian floating commune - type setups, like capitalism or democracy or theocracy and any other system you care to mention but these have a bit more breathing space on account of they're intrinsically stagnant, huge and tend to rot slowly from the top down. Floaty utopias have much more potential to splodey really quickly.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Disco Pickle on August 18, 2011, 04:16:03 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on August 18, 2011, 03:24:52 PM
I wouldnt say your ideology is wrong pickle. Its just that libertarians are overlooking the same thing communists do- the fact that humans will screw it up.

I don't know that the ideology as a whole completely ignores that.  In some ways it even provides a framework in which to prepare for when you DO eventually screw up so that it's not completely catastrophic to yourself or your family.  

Like any other body of ideas you have strict adherents to certain things, loosely followed tenants by others, and lots of people just picking and choosing which parts they like but not bothering to rename it because the name is still the closest fit to anything else largely recognizable.

Broad stroking libertarians as "trust fund babies living in starbucks and don't like brown skinned people" is just like saying "All conservative republicans are rich and hate the poor and want biblical law in the US" or "all liberal democrats want to destroy or nationalize all corporations, are godless heathens and dream of a communist revolution in the USA"

Used for comedy, it's great stuff.  

I have no complaints about what I've learned and I've met some really driven, intelligent, and well read people over the years who claim to be libertarian.  Many more than I've ever met who claimed to be liberal or conservative.  I do try and stay away from the ends of the political bell curve both in associations and personal thoughts.

To each their own.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Scribbly on August 18, 2011, 04:17:37 PM
It is probably worth reiterating that the group - although founded by a libertarian - does not want to just make libertarian islands.

What they actually want to do is develop the technology to the point where it is economically feasible to create floating, self-sufficient settlements. Then see what forms of governance work in those settlements.

I agree that 'the type that is shot by pirates and/or dies from horrific disasters' seems the most likely, but.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Disco Pickle on August 18, 2011, 04:18:13 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 18, 2011, 04:14:21 PM
It's a perfectly workable idea if it weren't for the fact that it's human beings trying to implement it. Species is not capable of the level of cooperation required.

Of course this is true of non-libertarian utopian floating commune - type setups, like capitalism or democracy or theocracy and any other system you care to mention but these have a bit more breathing space on account of they're intrinsically stagnant, huge and tend to rot slowly from the top down. Floaty utopias have much more potential to splodey really quickly.

It could be the first time a video game has predicted the future.

Every time I think of them I still think of Bioshock and Rapture.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on August 18, 2011, 04:23:11 PM
Quote from: Demolition_Squid on August 18, 2011, 04:17:37 PM
It is probably worth reiterating that the group - although founded by a libertarian - does not want to just make libertarian islands.

What they actually want to do is develop the technology to the point where it is economically feasible to create floating, self-sufficient settlements. Then see what forms of governance work in those settlements.

I agree that 'the type that is shot by pirates and/or dies from horrific disasters' seems the most likely, but.

That I can get behind - the concept of building settlements out at sea but they'd be governed by existing governments. I don't mean - it'd be better if they were - I mean they will. As soon as they become economically viable they'll lose independence. Of course if they don't become economically viable - that's where the lulz is  :lulz:
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 18, 2011, 04:24:57 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on August 18, 2011, 04:16:03 PM

Broad stroking libertarians as "trust fund babies living in starbucks and don't like brown skinned people" is just like saying "All conservative republicans are rich and hate the poor and want biblical law in the US" or "all liberal democrats want to destroy or nationalize all corporations, are godless heathens and dream of a communist revolution in the USA"

In all the above cases, you are judged by the company you keep.

This is why the only acceptable political position is "asshat".  Fact is, politics are the stupidest thing people ever invented.  And libertarianism and its retarded cousin communism are the second stupidest form of politics, right after anarchism...And no anarchist will ever have my respect for their political views until they make me their king.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 18, 2011, 04:25:49 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on August 18, 2011, 04:18:13 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 18, 2011, 04:14:21 PM
It's a perfectly workable idea if it weren't for the fact that it's human beings trying to implement it. Species is not capable of the level of cooperation required.

Of course this is true of non-libertarian utopian floating commune - type setups, like capitalism or democracy or theocracy and any other system you care to mention but these have a bit more breathing space on account of they're intrinsically stagnant, huge and tend to rot slowly from the top down. Floaty utopias have much more potential to splodey really quickly.

It could be the first time a video game has predicted the future.

Every time I think of them I still think of Bioshock and Rapture.

Bullshit.  Zaxxon predicted reality way back in the 80s.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Disco Pickle on August 18, 2011, 04:38:30 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 18, 2011, 04:25:49 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on August 18, 2011, 04:18:13 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 18, 2011, 04:14:21 PM
It's a perfectly workable idea if it weren't for the fact that it's human beings trying to implement it. Species is not capable of the level of cooperation required.

Of course this is true of non-libertarian utopian floating commune - type setups, like capitalism or democracy or theocracy and any other system you care to mention but these have a bit more breathing space on account of they're intrinsically stagnant, huge and tend to rot slowly from the top down. Floaty utopias have much more potential to splodey really quickly.

It could be the first time a video game has predicted the future.

Every time I think of them I still think of Bioshock and Rapture.

Bullshit.  Zaxxon predicted reality way back in the 80s.

Man, I had completely forgotten about that game.  Now I'm going to have to go dig out my emulator from whatever dusty folder it's in on my home computer and find the ROM for it.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 18, 2011, 04:47:07 PM
Pickle- its true that prior to the obama administration i had known libertarians- college aged men i might add or just fresh out- who did in fact consider themselves centrists. And perhaps they were. That kind of libertarian is gone. Theyre better known as independent voters. The libertarian label has been hijacked by the gop and closet racists. Id be interested what the actual libertarian party has to say about the tea party but you never hear anything from them.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 18, 2011, 08:11:56 PM
Quote from: Demolition_Squid on August 18, 2011, 04:17:37 PM
It is probably worth reiterating that the group - although founded by a libertarian - does not want to just make libertarian islands.

What they actually want to do is develop the technology to the point where it is economically feasible to create floating, self-sufficient settlements. Then see what forms of governance work in those settlements.

I agree that 'the type that is shot by pirates and/or dies from horrific disasters' seems the most likely, but.

The most glorious moment I will ever have, EVER, is the moment when they determine that the best source of floating material upon which to found these cities is the already-existing resource of floating garbage in the sea.

And then Salazore is born.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 21, 2011, 09:56:28 AM
Libertarians have been consumed by Randroids.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on August 21, 2011, 02:51:51 PM
Quote from: Nigel on August 18, 2011, 08:11:56 PM
Quote from: Demolition_Squid on August 18, 2011, 04:17:37 PM
It is probably worth reiterating that the group - although founded by a libertarian - does not want to just make libertarian islands.

What they actually want to do is develop the technology to the point where it is economically feasible to create floating, self-sufficient settlements. Then see what forms of governance work in those settlements.

I agree that 'the type that is shot by pirates and/or dies from horrific disasters' seems the most likely, but.

The most glorious moment I will ever have, EVER, is the moment when they determine that the best source of floating material upon which to found these cities is the already-existing resource of floating garbage in the sea.

And then Salazore is born.

Oh my goodness yes.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: BabylonHoruv on August 22, 2011, 02:15:01 AM
Quote from: Nigel on August 18, 2011, 08:11:56 PM
Quote from: Demolition_Squid on August 18, 2011, 04:17:37 PM
It is probably worth reiterating that the group - although founded by a libertarian - does not want to just make libertarian islands.

What they actually want to do is develop the technology to the point where it is economically feasible to create floating, self-sufficient settlements. Then see what forms of governance work in those settlements.

I agree that 'the type that is shot by pirates and/or dies from horrific disasters' seems the most likely, but.

The most glorious moment I will ever have, EVER, is the moment when they determine that the best source of floating material upon which to found these cities is the already-existing resource of floating garbage in the sea.

And then Salazore is born.

http://news.discovery.com/tech/recycled-island-to-be-built-from-ocean-garbage-patch-110331.html (http://news.discovery.com/tech/recycled-island-to-be-built-from-ocean-garbage-patch-110331.html)
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on August 25, 2011, 03:08:02 AM
This has been tried before, with lulzy results.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micronation#New-country_projects
Quote

  • Operation Atlantis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Atlantis), an early 1970s New York–based libertarian group that built a concrete-hulled ship called Freedom, which they sailed to the Caribbean, intending to anchor it permanently there as their "territory". The ship sank in a hurricane and the project foundered with it.
  • Republic of Minerva (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Minerva), another libertarian project that succeeded in building a small man-made island on the Minerva Reefs south of Fiji in 1972 before being ejected by troops from Tonga, who later formally annexed it.
  • Principality of Freedonia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Freedonia), a libertarian project that tried to lease territory from the Sultan of Awdal in Somaliland in 2001. Resulting public dissatisfaction led to rioting, and the reported death of a Somali.
  • Oceania (also known as "The Atlantis Project", but unrelated to the 1970s project listed above), another libertarian artificial island project that raised US $400,000 before going bankrupt in 1994.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 25, 2011, 03:12:57 AM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on August 25, 2011, 03:08:02 AM
This has been tried before, with lulzy results.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micronation#New-country_projects
Quote

  • Operation Atlantis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Atlantis), an early 1970s New York–based libertarian group that built a concrete-hulled ship called Freedom, which they sailed to the Caribbean, intending to anchor it permanently there as their "territory". The ship sank in a hurricane and the project foundered with it.
  • Republic of Minerva (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Minerva), another libertarian project that succeeded in building a small man-made island on the Minerva Reefs south of Fiji in 1972 before being ejected by troops from Tonga, who later formally annexed it.
  • Principality of Freedonia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Freedonia), a libertarian project that tried to lease territory from the Sultan of Awdal in Somaliland in 2001. Resulting public dissatisfaction led to rioting, and the reported death of a Somali.
  • Oceania (also known as "The Atlantis Project", but unrelated to the 1970s project listed above), another libertarian artificial island project that raised US $400,000 before going bankrupt in 1994.


I can't decide if Minerva or Oceania is lulzier.

ETA:  Did they know "Freedonia" is from a Marx Brother's movie?
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Chairman Risus on August 25, 2011, 04:40:14 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 25, 2011, 03:12:57 AM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on August 25, 2011, 03:08:02 AM
This has been tried before, with lulzy results.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micronation#New-country_projects
Quote

  • Operation Atlantis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Atlantis), an early 1970s New York–based libertarian group that built a concrete-hulled ship called Freedom, which they sailed to the Caribbean, intending to anchor it permanently there as their "territory". The ship sank in a hurricane and the project foundered with it.
  • Republic of Minerva (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Minerva), another libertarian project that succeeded in building a small man-made island on the Minerva Reefs south of Fiji in 1972 before being ejected by troops from Tonga, who later formally annexed it.
  • Principality of Freedonia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Freedonia), a libertarian project that tried to lease territory from the Sultan of Awdal in Somaliland in 2001. Resulting public dissatisfaction led to rioting, and the reported death of a Somali.
  • Oceania (also known as "The Atlantis Project", but unrelated to the 1970s project listed above), another libertarian artificial island project that raised US $400,000 before going bankrupt in 1994.


I can't decide if Minerva or Oceania is lulzier.

ETA:  Did they know "Freedonia" is from a Marx Brother's movie?

:argh!:
Those upstarts!
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 25, 2011, 09:27:21 AM
I always heard about half of Salem, Mass is built on a landfill.  :x
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on August 25, 2011, 03:02:42 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 25, 2011, 03:12:57 AM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on August 25, 2011, 03:08:02 AM
This has been tried before, with lulzy results.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micronation#New-country_projects
Quote

  • Operation Atlantis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Atlantis), an early 1970s New York–based libertarian group that built a concrete-hulled ship called Freedom, which they sailed to the Caribbean, intending to anchor it permanently there as their "territory". The ship sank in a hurricane and the project foundered with it.
  • Republic of Minerva (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Minerva), another libertarian project that succeeded in building a small man-made island on the Minerva Reefs south of Fiji in 1972 before being ejected by troops from Tonga, who later formally annexed it.
  • Principality of Freedonia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Freedonia), a libertarian project that tried to lease territory from the Sultan of Awdal in Somaliland in 2001. Resulting public dissatisfaction led to rioting, and the reported death of a Somali.
  • Oceania (also known as "The Atlantis Project", but unrelated to the 1970s project listed above), another libertarian artificial island project that raised US $400,000 before going bankrupt in 1994.


I can't decide if Minerva or Oceania is lulzier.
Yeah, they are both lulzy, but for different reasons.

10 years after being ejected by Tongan troops, the founder led a group of people to reoccupy Minerva.  They were reejected three weeks later.

The founder of Oceania used the money he raised to start a web hosting company.  He is now fundraising for a new, even kookier project (http://lifeboat.com/ex/main).

Based on that, I have to give the edge to Oceania.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 25, 2011, 03:12:57 AMETA:  Did they know "Freedonia" is from a Marx Brother's movie?
:lulz:

I keep wanting to watch Duck Soup sometime, but I've yet to get around to it.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Phox on August 26, 2011, 04:26:49 PM
So, this has inspired me. I think I'm going to start a private security company that caters to rich morons. Maybe if they do build that island, they'll higher me as security. When this happens, I will happen to notice but it appears the money is better in espionage and piracy.  :lulz:
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: PopeTom on August 28, 2011, 02:51:57 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 25, 2011, 09:27:21 AM
I always heard about half of Salem, Mass is built on a landfill.  :x

The neighborhood of Boston, MA known as Back Bay is also all land fill. 
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 29, 2011, 01:16:42 AM
The rich side of town? Society column stuff like "Steven Tyler was spotted in the Back Bay shopping for scarves"?

:lulz:
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Bruno on August 29, 2011, 04:47:03 AM
Just read title as "Atlas Themed Shrugpark".

Still awaiting visuals.

That is all.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: PopeTom on August 29, 2011, 06:29:22 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 29, 2011, 01:16:42 AM
The rich side of town? Society column stuff like "Steven Tyler was spotted in the Back Bay shopping for scarves"?

:lulz:

The rich people may shop in parts of Back Bay but they all live on Beacon Hill.  Beacon Hill is rock solid old Boston.

History:  Boston was first called Tremont because it consisted of three hills.  Pemberton Hill, Mount Vernon, and Beacon Hill.  What is now Back Bay was a marshy area that was also used as a garbage dump.  During high tide when the area was under water it wasn't too bad.    However low tide on a nice hot summer day the city would reek.  so like any 19th century human would do the people of Boston said 'fuck this shit'.  They tore down Pemberton Hill & Mount Vernon and filled in the Back Bay.   It was the biggest of Boston's many land reclamation projects during that time period.  About half of Beacon Hill was used to build up land in Boston's waterfront district.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Scribbly on August 29, 2011, 08:46:57 PM
Oh yeah, I'm almost ready to write these people off; two emails, and they haven't gotten back to me yet.  :cry:

I was really looking forward to actually talking to them about all this.

Might have to suck up the international charge and try calling them, even though it says that email is the best and quickest way to get in touch.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 29, 2011, 11:26:15 PM
Quote from: PopeTom on August 29, 2011, 06:29:22 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 29, 2011, 01:16:42 AM
The rich side of town? Society column stuff like "Steven Tyler was spotted in the Back Bay shopping for scarves"?

:lulz:

The rich people may shop in parts of Back Bay but they all live on Beacon Hill.  Beacon Hill is rock solid old Boston.

History:  Boston was first called Tremont because it consisted of three hills.  Pemberton Hill, Mount Vernon, and Beacon Hill.  What is now Back Bay was a marshy area that was also used as a garbage dump.  During high tide when the area was under water it wasn't too bad.    However low tide on a nice hot summer day the city would reek.  so like any 19th century human would do the people of Boston said 'fuck this shit'.  They tore down Pemberton Hill & Mount Vernon and filled in the Back Bay.   It was the biggest of Boston's many land reclamation projects during that time period.  About half of Beacon Hill was used to build up land in Boston's waterfront district.

You know they're going to dig it all up at some point to com through all the antique garbage.  :D

They found all kinds of old stuff when they did the Big Dig. 
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: LMNO on August 31, 2011, 02:24:50 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 29, 2011, 11:26:15 PM
Quote from: PopeTom on August 29, 2011, 06:29:22 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 29, 2011, 01:16:42 AM
The rich side of town? Society column stuff like "Steven Tyler was spotted in the Back Bay shopping for scarves"?

:lulz:

The rich people may shop in parts of Back Bay but they all live on Beacon Hill.  Beacon Hill is rock solid old Boston.

History:  Boston was first called Tremont because it consisted of three hills.  Pemberton Hill, Mount Vernon, and Beacon Hill.  What is now Back Bay was a marshy area that was also used as a garbage dump.  During high tide when the area was under water it wasn't too bad.    However low tide on a nice hot summer day the city would reek.  so like any 19th century human would do the people of Boston said 'fuck this shit'.  They tore down Pemberton Hill & Mount Vernon and filled in the Back Bay.   It was the biggest of Boston's many land reclamation projects during that time period.  About half of Beacon Hill was used to build up land in Boston's waterfront district.

You know they're going to dig it all up at some point to com through all the antique garbage.  :D

They found all kinds of old stuff when they did the Big Dig. 

...THEY WOKE THAT WHICH SLEEPS BENEATH THE CITY...
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: PopeTom on August 31, 2011, 05:55:24 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 31, 2011, 02:24:50 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 29, 2011, 11:26:15 PM
Quote from: PopeTom on August 29, 2011, 06:29:22 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 29, 2011, 01:16:42 AM
The rich side of town? Society column stuff like "Steven Tyler was spotted in the Back Bay shopping for scarves"?

:lulz:

The rich people may shop in parts of Back Bay but they all live on Beacon Hill.  Beacon Hill is rock solid old Boston.

History:  Boston was first called Tremont because it consisted of three hills.  Pemberton Hill, Mount Vernon, and Beacon Hill.  What is now Back Bay was a marshy area that was also used as a garbage dump.  During high tide when the area was under water it wasn't too bad.    However low tide on a nice hot summer day the city would reek.  so like any 19th century human would do the people of Boston said 'fuck this shit'.  They tore down Pemberton Hill & Mount Vernon and filled in the Back Bay.   It was the biggest of Boston's many land reclamation projects during that time period.  About half of Beacon Hill was used to build up land in Boston's waterfront district.

You know they're going to dig it all up at some point to com through all the antique garbage.  :D

They found all kinds of old stuff when they did the Big Dig. 

...THEY WOKE THAT WHICH SLEEPS BENEATH THE CITY...

Father Dagon, Mother Hydra save us.
Title: Re: The Atlas Shrugged Themepark?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 31, 2011, 10:04:00 PM
Ia Wm'biy-Taw!