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Principia Discordia => Or Kill Me => Topic started by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 12:06:23 AM

Title: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 12:06:23 AM
The very worst thing that can happen to you is that you actually understand what Elvis was trying to tell us.

Ho ho!  Yes, because you CAN'T understand The King until you've walked with The King, down that Lost Highway where you actually SEE what's going on and it's so fucking horrible that you have to slam pills to go to sleep and drink wads of caffeine to wake up...in some kind of hellish speedball that you are fairly certain is killing you but God please God if I have to die on the toilet please let it be while I'm upper decking the American Legion, do ya dig?

You see, Elvis knew the score...and of course I'm talking about the REAL Elvis, the FAT Elvis, who ruled Vegas and Memphis with an iron grip.  Why do you think he lost his fucking mind, posed with Nixon, and then spent the rest of his life wearing a cape?  But now I know the score, too, and you know what?  Elvis doesn't look so ridiculous anymore.  The sequins, the boots, that stupid fucking jumpsuit...they are the product of a diseased mind, and that disease is called The Truth.  Elvis KNEW The Truth, and I have BEEN TO THE MOUNTAIN, and I have SEEN what he saw, and let me tell you, brothers and sisters, The Truth is an ugly thing.

DID YOU HEAR ME?  I SAID THE TRUTH IS AN UGLY THING!  CAN I GET A HALLELUJAH?

Would you like to know The Truth?  Before you answer, bear in mind that once you KNOW it, you can't UN-KNOW it, all you can do is spend the rest of your life staring at the ceiling all damn night and trying to forget!  And even if you WANT to know the truth, you CAN'T unless you can leave your petty little biases and hopes behind, and while most people SAY they can do that, they will almost always - at least in their own minds - add little qualifiers, usually involving Bush, Obama, Pelosi, and a religion or four.  Why?  Because they're fucking MONKEYS, and they have pack mentality programs running in their heads...everyone does.  Some people know this, fewer understand it, even less can look past it, and NOBODY can turn it off.

So fuck you.  I'm not telling you the truth, you wouldn't listen anyway.  You can just put yourself into the same condition I'm in, drink coffee until your lips turn numb, pop Ambien like a crackhead, and blast A Little Less Conversation on the CD player while you careen from lane to lane at 4AM screaming and howling at the morons who are for some reason on the road at that ungodly hour.  THEN you might understand.  THEN you might see.  THEN YOU MIGHT GET AN INKLING OF WHAT THE FUCK IS REALLY GOING ON!  THEN YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE BEING FUCKED EVEN WORSE THAN YOU THOUGHT, BY HORRIBLE THINGS YOU THOUGHT WERE YOUR LEADERS!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Or Kill Me.



Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 12:17:36 AM
FUCK HIM, TOO!   :argh!:

TGRR,
Slamming another cappuccino and watching the the sparkly things in front of my eyes.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Jasper on February 24, 2009, 12:18:39 AM
1st things 1st:  Great rant.  I think your sermons have influenced my writing style over the years.  Even my nice essays border on polemic.  That's the highest praise I've got.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 12:06:23 AM
once you KNOW it, you can't UN-KNOW it, all you can do is spend the rest of your life staring at the ceiling all damn night and trying to forget!

You're not really selling it to me.  Should I even want to know?

Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 24, 2009, 12:21:21 AM
 :lulz: :mittens:
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 12:24:44 AM
Quote from: Felix on February 24, 2009, 12:18:39 AM
1st things 1st:  Great rant.  I think your sermons have influenced my writing style over the years.  Even my nice essays border on polemic.  That's the highest praise I've got.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 12:06:23 AM
once you KNOW it, you can't UN-KNOW it, all you can do is spend the rest of your life staring at the ceiling all damn night and trying to forget!

You're not really selling it to me.  Should I even want to know?



Depends.  Have you reserved a bridge to sleep under, when you can sleep at all?
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Jasper on February 24, 2009, 12:27:30 AM
I guess this calls into question the wide assumption that pure truth is an inherently noble thing.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 12:29:08 AM
Quote from: Felix on February 24, 2009, 12:27:30 AM
I guess this calls into question the wide assumption that pure truth is an inherently noble thing.

Noble?  No.  Ugly.  Horrible.  Absolutely essential.  The only thing worth having.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Jasper on February 24, 2009, 12:36:27 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 12:29:08 AM
Quote from: Felix on February 24, 2009, 12:27:30 AM
I guess this calls into question the wide assumption that pure truth is an inherently noble thing.

Noble?  No.  Ugly.  Horrible.  Absolutely essential.  The only thing worth having.

The truth you speak of, as I understand it, is that life is a senseless, pointless, hateful, planet-of-the-apes crapshoot, and the only thing with meaning is other people.  The horror is that the cause of all these problems is those same people, and to understand what it is to be human is to accept that we are monstrous.

Am I getting warmer?
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 12:49:06 AM
Quote from: Felix on February 24, 2009, 12:36:27 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 12:29:08 AM
Quote from: Felix on February 24, 2009, 12:27:30 AM
I guess this calls into question the wide assumption that pure truth is an inherently noble thing.

Noble?  No.  Ugly.  Horrible.  Absolutely essential.  The only thing worth having.

The truth you speak of, as I understand it, is that life is a senseless, pointless, hateful, planet-of-the-apes crapshoot, and the only thing with meaning is other people.  The horror is that the cause of all these problems is those same people, and to understand what it is to be human is to accept that we are monstrous.

Am I getting warmer?

Not horrible enough.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Jasper on February 24, 2009, 12:52:48 AM
Now I'm curious as to how bad you think it is. 
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 12:55:21 AM
Quote from: Felix on February 24, 2009, 12:52:48 AM
Now I'm curious as to how bad you think KNOW it is. 

Fixed.

See last paragraph of rant.

If you didn't listen to Elvis and Mohommed Ali and Screaming Lord Sutch and Johnny Cash, why the hell would you listen to me?   :argh!:
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Adios on February 24, 2009, 01:07:44 AM
Is it the fact that we are being led around by our nose rings while totally incapable of doing anything about it?
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 01:11:59 AM
Quote from: The Reverend Asshat on February 24, 2009, 01:07:44 AM
Is it the fact that we are being led around by our nose rings while totally incapable of doing anything about it?

Nobody is incapable.  They're just lazy and tired and overwhelmed and confused.

If they were given a minute to catch their breath, they'd tar and feather everyone on Capitol Hill, and then go rampaging across the mall towards the White House, wearing Scalia's face for a hat.

Why do you think everyone is kept in a constant state of anxiety/fear/fatigue?
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 01:16:29 AM
Quote from: lumberjim on February 24, 2009, 01:15:03 AM
I can't believe my first impulse was Dennis Leary.....it should plainly have been:
we can't handle the truth!

Only if Muhommed Ali said it.  While he punched you inna face.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Adios on February 24, 2009, 01:16:53 AM
Quote from: lumberjim on February 24, 2009, 01:15:03 AM
I can't believe my first impulse was Dennis Leary.....it should plainly have been:

(http://incogman.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/ucanthandlethetruth.jpg)
we can't handle the truth!

My favorite actor!
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on February 24, 2009, 01:23:51 AM
Where Roger is wrong is that you can unknow this.

One of the features of being mostly monkey is that we have an incredible capacity for self-delusion.

Thinking we cannot unknow this is optimistic.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 01:25:40 AM
Quote from: Anomalous on February 24, 2009, 01:23:51 AM
Where Roger is wrong is that you can unknow this.

One of the features of being mostly monkey is that we have an incredible capacity for self-delusion.

Thinking we cannot unknow this is optimistic.

Tell that to my frontal lobes.  If you can find 'em.  Last I saw, they were at my kidneys, heading South.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Adios on February 24, 2009, 01:30:41 AM
I haven't been able to forget one damn thing since I joined this horrible circle jerk group.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 02:19:06 AM
Quote from: The Reverend Asshat on February 24, 2009, 01:30:41 AM
I haven't been able to forget one damn thing since I joined this horrible circle jerk group.

That's because your Cartesians are all full of dualisms.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Adios on February 24, 2009, 02:22:16 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 02:19:06 AM
Quote from: The Reverend Asshat on February 24, 2009, 01:30:41 AM
I haven't been able to forget one damn thing since I joined this horrible circle jerk group.

That's because your Cartesians are all full of dualisms.

Cartesians use that water to make beer, right? And the dualism is a 12 pack, right?

RIGHT???
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 02:30:07 AM
Quote from: The Reverend Asshat on February 24, 2009, 02:22:16 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 02:19:06 AM
Quote from: The Reverend Asshat on February 24, 2009, 01:30:41 AM
I haven't been able to forget one damn thing since I joined this horrible circle jerk group.

That's because your Cartesians are all full of dualisms.

Cartesians use that water to make beer, right? And the dualism is a 12 pack, right?

RIGHT???

NOW YOU'VE GONE AND MADE PINDAR CRY.   :x
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Adios on February 24, 2009, 02:34:38 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 02:30:07 AM
Quote from: The Reverend Asshat on February 24, 2009, 02:22:16 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 02:19:06 AM
Quote from: The Reverend Asshat on February 24, 2009, 01:30:41 AM
I haven't been able to forget one damn thing since I joined this horrible circle jerk group.

That's because your Cartesians are all full of dualisms.

Cartesians use that water to make beer, right? And the dualism is a 12 pack, right?

RIGHT???

NOW YOU'VE GONE AND MADE PINDAR CRY.   :x

My favorite filoosifer was OLY.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Thurnez Isa on February 24, 2009, 02:52:33 AM
awesome amount of hate...
you need to do that via podcast
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 03:04:47 AM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on February 24, 2009, 02:52:33 AM
awesome amount of hate...
you need to do that via podcast

No, I have something...special...scheduled for next Friday's podcast.

muhaha

TGRR,
Gave himself the heebee jeebees filming it.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 24, 2009, 04:04:05 AM
I cannot fucking wait for this.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 04:08:10 AM
Quote from: Nigel on February 24, 2009, 04:04:05 AM
I cannot fucking wait for this.

Seriously.  One guy that was there won't look me in the eye, one won't speak to me at all, and I still get the wobblies just thinking about it.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Requia ☣ on February 24, 2009, 04:11:10 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 01:11:59 AM
If they were given a minute to catch their breath, they'd tar and feather everyone on Capitol Hill, and then go rampaging across the mall towards the White House, wearing Scalia's face for a hat.

If anybody skins Scalia's face from his still screaming body and wears it as a hat before me there will be hell to pay.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 04:12:36 AM
Quote from: KC on February 24, 2009, 04:11:10 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 01:11:59 AM
If they were given a minute to catch their breath, they'd tar and feather everyone on Capitol Hill, and then go rampaging across the mall towards the White House, wearing Scalia's face for a hat.

If anybody skins Scalia's face from his still screaming body and wears it as a hat before me there will be hell to pay.

I thought of it first, fucker.   :argh!:
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Requia ☣ on February 24, 2009, 04:17:32 AM
Fine, but I want one of the ears.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 04:18:17 AM
Quote from: KC on February 24, 2009, 04:17:32 AM
Fine, but I want one of the ears.

Who's looking SWANKY in his new suede hat?  Is it TGRR?  You BET it is!
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 24, 2009, 05:06:27 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 04:08:10 AM
Quote from: Nigel on February 24, 2009, 04:04:05 AM
I cannot fucking wait for this.

Seriously.  One guy that was there won't look me in the eye, one won't speak to me at all, and I still get the wobblies just thinking about it.

I'm a little scared, truthfully.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Jenne on February 24, 2009, 05:30:14 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 04:18:17 AM
Quote from: KC on February 24, 2009, 04:17:32 AM
Fine, but I want one of the ears.

Who's looking SWANKY in his new suede hat?  Is it TGRR?  You BET it is!

:lulz:  Also, gave 'em to you elsewheres, but :mittens: on the RAGE. 
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on February 24, 2009, 08:48:47 PM
Roger - another excellent rant. 

:mittens:

I have to ask, the truth....

Is the truth the second by hour struggle for survival in a world built on lies in which the global commercialism we have created uses to make you think you're in the pretty snowglobe, but in reality, you're shaking the fuck out of the globe looking for an answer you don't realize you've known all along?

Or maybe not..... :lulz:
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: fomenter on February 24, 2009, 08:53:42 PM
Quote from: K-Bitch on February 24, 2009, 08:48:47 PM
Roger - another excellent rant. 

:mittens:

I have to ask, the truth....

Is the truth the second by hour struggle for survival in a world built on lies in which the global commercialism we have created uses to make you think you're in the pretty snowglobe, but in reality, you're shaking the fuck out of the globe looking for an answer you don't realize you've known all along?

Or maybe not..... :lulz:

inside the snow globe and outside the snow globe? that metaphor is mired in Cartesian duality  or


:?
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 25, 2009, 01:56:11 AM
Quote from: K-Bitch on February 24, 2009, 08:48:47 PM
Roger - another excellent rant. 

:mittens:

I have to ask, the truth....

Is the truth the second by hour struggle for survival in a world built on lies in which the global commercialism we have created uses to make you think you're in the pretty snowglobe, but in reality, you're shaking the fuck out of the globe looking for an answer you don't realize you've known all along?

Or maybe not..... :lulz:

If you see the snowglobe in the road, kill the snowglobe.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on February 25, 2009, 03:57:59 AM
You fools! The truth is that there is no truth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnchhausen_Trilemma)[1][2] :horrormirth:.

There is no truth and no meaning, and that is why we must pull the wool over our own eyes. We to pull the wool over our own eyes because the only other options are to accept somebody else's delusions and be enslaved by them, or to accept the truth and return to Azatrhoth Azathoth :x








[1]Or, at least, none that we can truly know

[2]This line of reasoning works even better for disproving the idea of "the meaning of life"
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Template on February 25, 2009, 07:58:40 PM
Quote from: K-Bitch on February 24, 2009, 08:48:47 PM
Roger - another excellent rant. 

:mittens:

I have to ask, the truth....

Is the truth the second by hour struggle for survival in a world built on lies in which the global commercialism we have created uses to make you think you're in the pretty snowglobe, but in reality, you're shaking the fuck out of the globe looking for an answer you don't realize you've known all along?

Or maybe not..... :lulz:

Well, that you buy the snowglobe is probably a bit of truth.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Richter on February 25, 2009, 08:53:49 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 12:29:08 AM
Quote from: Felix on February 24, 2009, 12:27:30 AM
I guess this calls into question the wide assumption that pure truth is an inherently noble thing.

Noble?  No.  Ugly.  Horrible.  Absolutely essential.  The only thing worth having.


Reminds me of hitting the place where you don't WANT to be happy because you've finally got some clarity and a head without the delusion.  Going back to the happiness would just be ruminating the crap you've already had to swallow, giving up an independent life and getting on the short bus so you can be happy with giggling and shitting yourself.

Fucked if I'll know for certain thou, that's just what I'm running with.

Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 25, 2009, 11:33:52 PM
Quote from: Richter on February 25, 2009, 08:53:49 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 12:29:08 AM
Quote from: Felix on February 24, 2009, 12:27:30 AM
I guess this calls into question the wide assumption that pure truth is an inherently noble thing.

Noble?  No.  Ugly.  Horrible.  Absolutely essential.  The only thing worth having.


Reminds me of hitting the place where you don't WANT to be happy because you've finally got some clarity and a head without the delusion.  Going back to the happiness would just be ruminating the crap you've already had to swallow, giving up an independent life and getting on the short bus so you can be happy with giggling and shitting yourself.

Fucked if I'll know for certain thou, that's just what I'm running with.



This.

However, Darwin and Finagle are about to punish the monkeys, so I am actually kinda happy.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Jasper on February 26, 2009, 12:48:16 AM
Happiness is not the enemy.

Extraordinary claims, evidence, etc.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2009, 12:51:10 AM
Quote from: Felix on February 26, 2009, 12:48:16 AM
Happiness is not the enemy.

Mine isn't.  Yours is.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Jasper on February 26, 2009, 12:52:20 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2009, 12:51:10 AM
Quote from: Felix on February 26, 2009, 12:48:16 AM
Happiness is not the enemy.

Mine isn't.  Yours is.

Oh yeah?  YOUR happiness can go eat a bag of dicks.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2009, 01:03:40 AM
Quote from: Felix on February 26, 2009, 12:52:20 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2009, 12:51:10 AM
Quote from: Felix on February 26, 2009, 12:48:16 AM
Happiness is not the enemy.

Mine isn't.  Yours is.

Oh yeah?  YOUR happiness can go eat a bag of dicks.

...And then crap it out all over your happiness.   :)
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Jasper on February 26, 2009, 01:05:02 AM
Your happiness is a sociopath. :x
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Honey on February 27, 2009, 02:17:07 AM
Wo Ho!  This last one took my breath away!  Wooooooooooosssssssssssshhhhhhhhhha! 

& that visual image of Scalia?  This is the thing though, for some odd reason, my mind placed that Evan Mecham guy's face on the image   :?   Do you remember him?  This guy I used to work with would talk about him all the time & he would get all blue & red in the face.

I am still breathless, breathless I say!

Oh & bravissimo!
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 27, 2009, 02:20:04 AM
Quote from: Honey on February 27, 2009, 02:17:07 AM
Wo Ho!  This last one took my breath away!  Wooooooooooosssssssssssshhhhhhhhhha! 

& that visual image of Scalia?  This is the thing though, for some odd reason, my mind placed that Evan Mecham guy's face on the image   :?   Do you remember him?  This guy I used to work with would talk about him all the time & he would get all blue & red in the face.

I am still breathless, breathless I say!

Oh & bravissimo!

Thanks!
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Rumckle on February 27, 2009, 02:45:03 AM
:mittens:

Just another reminder that i am happy not knowing the truth.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Requia ☣ on February 27, 2009, 04:25:29 AM
Quote from: Felix on February 26, 2009, 01:05:02 AM
Your happiness is a sociopath. :x

:potd:
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 28, 2009, 03:16:42 AM
Quote from: Felix on February 26, 2009, 01:05:02 AM
Your happiness is a sociopath. :x

My happiness is like a blimp.  A big fucking blimp.  Full of poop.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 28, 2009, 04:17:27 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 28, 2009, 03:16:42 AM
Quote from: Felix on February 26, 2009, 01:05:02 AM
Your happiness is a sociopath. :x

My happiness is like a blimp.  A big fucking blimp.  Full of poop.

:horrormirth:
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Triple Zero on February 28, 2009, 09:46:26 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 12:55:21 AM
If you didn't listen to Elvis and Mohommed Ali and Screaming Lord Sutch and Johnny Cash, why the hell would you listen to me?   :argh!:

can't help but notice these are people from your youth. makes me wonder, is there something about that time to make people (or artists) more likely to "get it", or that they're pretty rare and just happened to exist then, or whether there are also more recent people that "get" the truth, in your opinion?

mind you, i'm not saying i dismiss them cause it's not really "my thing", just curious if there's some bias going on here.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 01, 2009, 04:50:23 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 28, 2009, 09:46:26 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 12:55:21 AM
If you didn't listen to Elvis and Mohommed Ali and Screaming Lord Sutch and Johnny Cash, why the hell would you listen to me?   :argh!:

can't help but notice these are people from your youth. makes me wonder, is there something about that time to make people (or artists) more likely to "get it", or that they're pretty rare and just happened to exist then, or whether there are also more recent people that "get" the truth, in your opinion?

mind you, i'm not saying i dismiss them cause it's not really "my thing", just curious if there's some bias going on here.

Well, we haven't seen a group of people like the American founders recently, have we?

I think these people come along periodically, in clumps, rather than an even distribution over time.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Requia ☣ on March 01, 2009, 06:23:05 AM
I don't think its so much the people, as the time has to be right for the people to be noticed.

Benjamin Franklin could exist today, but there's no way in hell he'd get elected.

Elvis and his group... they were pretty much just the first white rockers who didn't suck.  Old Elvis, the awesome Elvis, that was just the luck of having somebody already famous get up and walk on both legs.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Jasper on March 01, 2009, 06:24:32 AM
The Founders weren't perfect, but compared to Jefferson we ain't shit.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 01, 2009, 06:28:25 AM
Quote from: KC on March 01, 2009, 06:23:05 AM
Benjamin Franklin could exist today, but there's no way in hell he'd get elected.

That's cool, because he wasn't elected then, anyway.

Mostly because he was too smart to run for office, I think.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Requia ☣ on March 01, 2009, 06:34:36 AM
He ran, and won, in 1751.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 01, 2009, 08:54:45 AM
Quote from: KC on March 01, 2009, 06:34:36 AM
He ran, and won, in 1751.

As President of the Pennsylvania Assembly?
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Template on March 01, 2009, 09:06:34 AM
Quote from: Felix on March 01, 2009, 06:24:32 AM
The Founders weren't perfect, but compared to Jefferson we ain't shit.

We don't have sources of free money.  Jefferson had a plantation.  I doubt most members of PD.com would spend an entire large, regular, low-work income on hookers and blow.  or pixy stix, beer, or espresso.

What part of Jefferson is actually lacking then, even after accounting for tradeoffs?
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 01, 2009, 04:13:46 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 01, 2009, 08:54:45 AM
Quote from: KC on March 01, 2009, 06:34:36 AM
He ran, and won, in 1751.

As President of the Pennsylvania Assembly?

I should have been more specific.

He did not run for president or federal congress (either house).

Dicking around with the Assembly of a bunch of Quaker spags doesn't really count.  Unless one of the Quakers is Nixon.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: BADGE OF HONOR on March 01, 2009, 05:17:43 PM
Newton was off his fucking rocker and couldn't stop giving himself mercury poisoning but people still consider him the father of modern physics.  Was he a genius or was he just born at the right time?
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Jasper on March 01, 2009, 06:41:08 PM
Quote from: GERMAN BREAST MACHINE on March 01, 2009, 05:17:43 PM
Newton was off his fucking rocker and couldn't stop giving himself mercury poisoning but people still consider him the father of modern physics.  Was he a genius or was he just born at the right time?

Newton was a loon.  But he still invented teh calculus (and so did Leibniz).
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Jasper on March 01, 2009, 06:43:58 PM
Quote from: yhnmzw on March 01, 2009, 09:06:34 AM
What part of Jefferson is actually lacking then, even after accounting for tradeoffs?

He was a misogynist, racist backstabber.  Lrn2book.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on March 01, 2009, 06:47:04 PM
Roger,

This was the last thing I read before going to bed last night, immediately after watching your latest video. Explain yourself.

Cainad,
Mildly perturbed
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Requia ☣ on March 01, 2009, 07:27:25 PM
Quote from: Felix on March 01, 2009, 06:43:58 PM
Quote from: yhnmzw on March 01, 2009, 09:06:34 AM
What part of Jefferson is actually lacking then, even after accounting for tradeoffs?

He was a misogynist, racist backstabber.  Lrn2book.

Also homophobic, he tried to pass a law that would have people castrated for sodomy.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 01, 2009, 07:46:58 PM
Quote from: Felix on March 01, 2009, 06:43:58 PM
Quote from: yhnmzw on March 01, 2009, 09:06:34 AM
What part of Jefferson is actually lacking then, even after accounting for tradeoffs?

He was a misogynist, racist backstabber.  Lrn2book.

Yes, because it's always good to talk about people based on current cultural references.  Also, people who fail to go from complete barbarism to utter enlightenment in one (1) generation are by definition assholes of the first water.   Jefferson took the world forward one HUGE fucking step, but because he didn't end at today's standards, nothing he did was worth a shit.

For our next exercise, we'll discuss why nobody should listen to Isaac Newton.

For fuck's sake.

Lrn2book, my fucking diseased ass.  LRN TO HAVE A SENSE OF HISTORY AND PROPORTION.  UNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 01, 2009, 07:47:19 PM
Quote from: KC on March 01, 2009, 07:27:25 PM
Quote from: Felix on March 01, 2009, 06:43:58 PM
Quote from: yhnmzw on March 01, 2009, 09:06:34 AM
What part of Jefferson is actually lacking then, even after accounting for tradeoffs?

He was a misogynist, racist backstabber.  Lrn2book.

Also homophobic, he tried to pass a law that would have people castrated for sodomy.

Really?  Credible link?
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 01, 2009, 07:47:48 PM
Quote from: Cainad on March 01, 2009, 06:47:04 PM
Roger,

This was the last thing I read before going to bed last night, immediately after watching your latest video. Explain yourself.

Cainad,
Mildly perturbed

I'm all fucked up on bad drugs.  Please to lock me away from decent people.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 01, 2009, 07:48:45 PM
Quote from: Felix on March 01, 2009, 06:41:08 PM
Quote from: GERMAN BREAST MACHINE on March 01, 2009, 05:17:43 PM
Newton was off his fucking rocker and couldn't stop giving himself mercury poisoning but people still consider him the father of modern physics.  Was he a genius or was he just born at the right time?

Newton was a loon.  But he still invented teh calculus (and so did Leibniz).

As well as the basis of modern physics.  But because he didn't believe in religious freedom, we must burn all his fucking work.

Or words to that effect.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Requia ☣ on March 01, 2009, 09:08:17 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 01, 2009, 07:46:58 PM
Quote from: Felix on March 01, 2009, 06:43:58 PM
Quote from: yhnmzw on March 01, 2009, 09:06:34 AM
What part of Jefferson is actually lacking then, even after accounting for tradeoffs?

He was a misogynist, racist backstabber.  Lrn2book.

Yes, because it's always good to talk about people based on current cultural references.  Also, people who fail to go from complete barbarism to utter enlightenment in one (1) generation are by definition assholes of the first water.   Jefferson took the world forward one HUGE fucking step, but because he didn't end at today's standards, nothing he did was worth a shit.

For our next exercise, we'll discuss why nobody should listen to Isaac Newton.

For fuck's sake.

Lrn2book, my fucking diseased ass.  LRN TO HAVE A SENSE OF HISTORY AND PROPORTION.  UNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!

This
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Requia ☣ on March 01, 2009, 09:12:45 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 01, 2009, 07:47:19 PM
Quote from: KC on March 01, 2009, 07:27:25 PM
Quote from: Felix on March 01, 2009, 06:43:58 PM
Quote from: yhnmzw on March 01, 2009, 09:06:34 AM
What part of Jefferson is actually lacking then, even after accounting for tradeoffs?

He was a misogynist, racist backstabber.  Lrn2book.

Also homophobic, he tried to pass a law that would have people castrated for sodomy.

Really?  Credible link?

Afraid not, went to get it but the site pulled the whole article (about various nasty things done or said by political heroes).
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Aufenthatt on March 01, 2009, 10:27:59 PM
Was Jefferson really that much of a step forward?
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: bds on March 01, 2009, 11:18:08 PM
Another awesome rant there, Roger!

The Borderline Simpleton,
Is quite happy with the LIES, thank you very much.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 02, 2009, 02:03:34 AM
Quote from: Aufenthatt on March 01, 2009, 10:27:59 PM
Was Jefferson really that much of a step forward?

The fact that you can ask that without being arrested says "yes".
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 02, 2009, 02:09:08 AM
Quote from: Requia on March 01, 2009, 09:12:45 PM
Afraid not, went to get it but the site pulled the whole article (about various nasty things done or said by political heroes).

It's in fashion now for midgets to pull down giants, because the midgets cannot accept the fact that there is anyone taller than themselves.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Jasper on March 02, 2009, 03:04:23 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 01, 2009, 07:46:58 PM
Quote from: Felix on March 01, 2009, 06:43:58 PM
Quote from: yhnmzw on March 01, 2009, 09:06:34 AM
What part of Jefferson is actually lacking then, even after accounting for tradeoffs?

He was a misogynist, racist backstabber.  Lrn2book.

Yes, because it's always good to talk about people based on current cultural references.  Also, people who fail to go from complete barbarism to utter enlightenment in one (1) generation are by definition assholes of the first water.   Jefferson took the world forward one HUGE fucking step, but because he didn't end at today's standards, nothing he did was worth a shit.

For our next exercise, we'll discuss why nobody should listen to Isaac Newton.

For fuck's sake.

Lrn2book, my fucking diseased ass.  LRN TO HAVE A SENSE OF HISTORY AND PROPORTION.  UNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!

Did you read the part where I posted

Quote from: Felix on March 01, 2009, 06:24:32 AM
The Founders weren't perfect, but compared to Jefferson we ain't shit.

?

Tl;dr, I know the things you are telling me.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 02, 2009, 03:27:04 AM
Quote from: Felix on March 02, 2009, 03:04:23 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 01, 2009, 07:46:58 PM
Quote from: Felix on March 01, 2009, 06:43:58 PM
Quote from: yhnmzw on March 01, 2009, 09:06:34 AM
What part of Jefferson is actually lacking then, even after accounting for tradeoffs?

He was a misogynist, racist backstabber.  Lrn2book.

Yes, because it's always good to talk about people based on current cultural references.  Also, people who fail to go from complete barbarism to utter enlightenment in one (1) generation are by definition assholes of the first water.   Jefferson took the world forward one HUGE fucking step, but because he didn't end at today's standards, nothing he did was worth a shit.

For our next exercise, we'll discuss why nobody should listen to Isaac Newton.

For fuck's sake.

Lrn2book, my fucking diseased ass.  LRN TO HAVE A SENSE OF HISTORY AND PROPORTION.  UNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!

Did you read the part where I posted

Quote from: Felix on March 01, 2009, 06:24:32 AM
The Founders weren't perfect, but compared to Jefferson we ain't shit.

?

Tl;dr, I know the things you are telling me.

Then I suppose we should end the conversation.

Let's recap:  All of history's heroes are blackguards and phonies, and should be reviled as utterly useless.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Jasper on March 02, 2009, 03:39:38 AM
I think we should, because I'm getting tired of having my posts picked apart for making petty errors.

Let's recap:  You're intentionally misinterpreting me and it's not that amusing.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 02, 2009, 03:54:51 AM
Quote from: Felix on March 02, 2009, 03:39:38 AM
I think we should, because I'm getting tired of having my posts picked apart for making petty errors.

Let's recap:  You're intentionally misinterpreting me and it's not that amusing.

Um...Not sure how I could be misinterpreting this:

Quote from: YouHe was a misogynist, racist backstabber.  Lrn2book.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Jasper on March 02, 2009, 04:02:06 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 02, 2009, 03:54:51 AM
Quote from: Felix on March 02, 2009, 03:39:38 AM
I think we should, because I'm getting tired of having my posts picked apart for making petty errors.

Let's recap:  You're intentionally misinterpreting me and it's not that amusing.

Um...Not sure how I could be misinterpreting this:

Quote from: YouHe was a misogynist, racist backstabber.  Lrn2book.

Out of it's context, it's a completely ignorant and reactionary statement, but it was in response to yhnmzw asking:

Quote from: yhnmzw on March 01, 2009, 09:06:34 AMWhat part of Jefferson is actually lacking then, even after accounting for tradeoffs?

I was trying to illustrate that despite the imperfections of the past, great advances in civilization were made, and can be furthered because of their work.  Perhaps I wasn't clear on that.

So you can kind of see why that pissed me off.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 02, 2009, 04:08:06 AM
Quote from: Felix on March 02, 2009, 04:02:06 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 02, 2009, 03:54:51 AM
Quote from: Felix on March 02, 2009, 03:39:38 AM
I think we should, because I'm getting tired of having my posts picked apart for making petty errors.

Let's recap:  You're intentionally misinterpreting me and it's not that amusing.

Um...Not sure how I could be misinterpreting this:

Quote from: YouHe was a misogynist, racist backstabber.  Lrn2book.

Out of it's context, it's a completely ignorant and reactionary statement, but it was in response to yhnmzw asking:

Quote from: yhnmzw on March 01, 2009, 09:06:34 AMWhat part of Jefferson is actually lacking then, even after accounting for tradeoffs?

I was trying to illustrate that despite the imperfections of the past, great advances in civilization were made, and can be furthered because of their work.  Perhaps I wasn't clear on that.

So you can kind of see why that pissed me off.

Well, you haven't actually proved any of the above.

Misogynist, for example?
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Jasper on March 02, 2009, 04:34:59 AM
Backstabber: Abigail Adams' letter regarding his underhanded use of libel by proxy, generating the famous line about the sword that cut asunder the Gordian knot of friendship.
http://www.familytales.org/dbDisplay.php?id=ltr_aba3453

Racist:  Notes on the State of Virginia Query 14: Jefferson advanced his suspicion that black people were inferior to white people "in the endowments both of body and mind." 

Misogyny is kind of hard to prove, he really kept a lid on his personal life.  But Kukla's book seems to make a case for it.
http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/44001.html

Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Template on March 02, 2009, 07:48:01 AM
Godfuckingdamnit.

I meant "What GOOD part of Jefferson do we lack in the current era?" ie, HOW CAN WE DO JEFFERSONIAN-CLASS GOOD WITHOUT CLONING THE FUCKER OR STEALING HIM FROM HISTORY?

or

???
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Template on March 02, 2009, 07:49:59 AM
I'm mad at myself, too.  Posting at the wrong hours or otherwise failing to get my point across.

Re-try:

Quote from: Felix on March 01, 2009, 06:24:32 AM
The Founders weren't perfect, but compared to Jefferson we ain't shit.

How might we become said positive shit?
What needs emulation, that we all dismiss or fail at?

Can we even identify specificities or generalities that we can improve in ourselves or a chosen proxy or avatar?
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Jasper on March 02, 2009, 08:01:54 AM
I'm not sure I have a complete answer for you, and I'm a bit tired,

However:  If I wanted to continue in Jefferson's footsteps,

I'd stop hiding behind freedom,

and start standing in front of it,

to protect it for other people.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Requia ☣ on March 02, 2009, 09:11:40 AM
Stop giving pretty speeches, actually fucking *do* shit instead, occasionally write something that reshapes western culture..
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 02, 2009, 12:16:41 PM
Quote from: Felix on March 02, 2009, 04:34:59 AM
Backstabber: Abigail Adams' letter regarding his underhanded use of libel by proxy, generating the famous line about the sword that cut asunder the Gordian knot of friendship.
http://www.familytales.org/dbDisplay.php?id=ltr_aba3453

Racist:  Notes on the State of Virginia Query 14: Jefferson advanced his suspicion that black people were inferior to white people "in the endowments both of body and mind." 

Misogyny is kind of hard to prove, he really kept a lid on his personal life.  But Kukla's book seems to make a case for it.
http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/44001.html



1.  Oh, the wife of his enemy got pissed, because he pardoned a man (Callendar) who said mean things about her husband (and thus violated the Alien and Sedition Acts, which Jefferson quite correctly found to be an abomination, constitutionally).  My bad, that's a perfectly credible source.  The bastard should have rotted in prison for saying that Adams was a jackass.  That's what America is all about.  Backstabber, my ass.

2.  Yeah...he probably believed that...Along with EVERY OTHER WHITE PERSON OF HIS DAY AND AGE (see my above post concerning current cultural standards).  He wasn't perfect by today's standards, so he must be a complete shit.

3.  Uh huh.  He was a private man, so Kukla can just infer any old thing he likes.  Sounds reasonable.

So, we've agreed the man had feet of clay...So let's rip them off and beat his head in with them.  Because, you know, there's probably no reason people are pushing the idea that we should discredit people like Jefferson and Madison...I mean, it's not like if the American people devalue them, they'll devalue their ideas, right?  Right right right?
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 02, 2009, 12:24:01 PM
Quote from: Requia on March 02, 2009, 09:11:40 AM
Stop giving pretty speeches, actually fucking *do* shit instead, occasionally write something that reshapes western culture..

:lulz:

All Jefferson really did was give pretty speeches and write rants (The DoI, for example, was just a huge bitch list).  Same with Thomas Paine.  It's not just the ideas and the abilities to write them (though they are critical), it's the times you live in.  You bitch and you holler and you throw shit against the wall, and hope something sticks.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Honey on March 02, 2009, 01:06:49 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 02, 2009, 12:16:41 PM
Quote from: Felix on March 02, 2009, 04:34:59 AM
Backstabber: Abigail Adams' letter regarding his underhanded use of libel by proxy, generating the famous line about the sword that cut asunder the Gordian knot of friendship.
http://www.familytales.org/dbDisplay.php?id=ltr_aba3453

Racist:  Notes on the State of Virginia Query 14: Jefferson advanced his suspicion that black people were inferior to white people "in the endowments both of body and mind." 

Misogyny is kind of hard to prove, he really kept a lid on his personal life.  But Kukla's book seems to make a case for it.
http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/44001.html



1.  Oh, the wife of his enemy got pissed, because he pardoned a man (Callendar) who said mean things about her husband (and thus violated the Alien and Sedition Acts, which Jefferson quite correctly found to be an abomination, constitutionally).  My bad, that's a perfectly credible source.  The bastard should have rotted in prison for saying that Adams was a jackass.  That's what America is all about.  Backstabber, my ass.

2.  Yeah...he probably believed that...Along with EVERY OTHER WHITE PERSON OF HIS DAY AND AGE (see my above post concerning current cultural standards).  He wasn't perfect by today's standards, so he must be a complete shit.

3.  Uh huh.  He was a private man, so Kukla can just infer any old thing he likes.  Sounds reasonable.

So, we've agreed the man had feet of clay...So let's rip them off and beat his head in with them.  Because, you know, there's probably no reason people are pushing the idea that we should discredit people like Jefferson and Madison...I mean, it's not like if the American people devalue them, they'll devalue their ideas, right?  Right right right?

Right! (I think) & How Whiggish?  It's not like this hasn't been done (a bunch of times) already?

QuotePresentism is a mode of historical analysis in which present-day ideas and perspectives are anachronistically introduced into depictions or interpretations of the past. Some modern historians seek to avoid presentism in their work because they believe it creates a distorted understanding of their subject matter.

The Oxford English Dictionary gives the first citation for presentism in its historiographic sense from 1916, and the word may have been in use in this meaning as early as the 1870s. Historian David Hackett Fischer identifies presentism as a logical fallacy also known as the "fallacy of nunc pro tunc". He has written that the "classic example" of presentism was the so-called "Whig history", in which certain eighteenth- and nineteenth-century British historians wrote history in a way that used the past to validate their own political beliefs. This interpretation was presentist because it did not depict the past in objective historical context, but instead viewed history only through the lens of contemporary Whig beliefs. In this kind of approach, which emphasizes the relevance of history to the present, things which do not seem relevant receive little attention, resulting in a misleading portrayal of the past. "Whig history" or "whiggishness" are often used as synonyms for presentism, particularly when the historical depiction in question is teleological or triumphalist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presentism_(literary_and_historical_analysis)
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Jasper on March 02, 2009, 05:22:18 PM
Despite my saying that Jefferson was great, and despite my trying to explain that I'm not just tearing him apart out of some sense of modern ethics, you still act like I'm saying he was a no good shit. 

Why are you misrepresenting my argument?  I can understand doing it to stupid bastards like DK, but I thought we were somewhat friendlier.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Aufenthatt on March 02, 2009, 05:53:03 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 02, 2009, 02:03:34 AM
Quote from: Aufenthatt on March 01, 2009, 10:27:59 PM
Was Jefferson really that much of a step forward?

The fact that you can ask that without being arrested says "yes".

Elaborate

Considering that he just followed increasingly popular ideas in Europe
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Template on March 02, 2009, 07:44:55 PM
Quote from: Aufenthatt on March 02, 2009, 05:53:03 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 02, 2009, 02:03:34 AM
Quote from: Aufenthatt on March 01, 2009, 10:27:59 PM
Was Jefferson really that much of a step forward?

The fact that you can ask that without being arrested says "yes".

Elaborate

Considering that he just followed increasingly popular ideas in Europe

There is no crime here analogous to being against the revolution -- as existed in post-Revolution France, Russia, still in place somewhere, my current knowledge trails off...
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 03, 2009, 12:01:59 AM
Quote from: Felix on March 02, 2009, 05:22:18 PM
Despite my saying that Jefferson was great, and despite my trying to explain that I'm not just tearing him apart out of some sense of modern ethics, you still act like I'm saying he was a no good shit. 

Why are you misrepresenting my argument?  I can understand doing it to stupid bastards like DK, but I thought we were somewhat friendlier.

Sorry, my hate is totally out of control these days.  I apologize.

That being said, it just gets a little old seeing what Honey has posted the name to:  Presentism.

But again, I apologize for losing my mind over it.  I shall go vent some of this on republicansinglesonline.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 03, 2009, 12:02:56 AM
Quote from: Aufenthatt on March 02, 2009, 05:53:03 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 02, 2009, 02:03:34 AM
Quote from: Aufenthatt on March 01, 2009, 10:27:59 PM
Was Jefferson really that much of a step forward?

The fact that you can ask that without being arrested says "yes".

Elaborate

Considering that he just followed increasingly popular ideas in Europe

Well, of course.  You could just walk up to the King of France, Russia, or England and tell them to eat a dick, and you'd be fine.

How silly of me.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 03, 2009, 12:04:28 AM
Quote from: Honey on March 02, 2009, 01:06:49 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 02, 2009, 12:16:41 PM
Quote from: Felix on March 02, 2009, 04:34:59 AM
Backstabber: Abigail Adams' letter regarding his underhanded use of libel by proxy, generating the famous line about the sword that cut asunder the Gordian knot of friendship.
http://www.familytales.org/dbDisplay.php?id=ltr_aba3453

Racist:  Notes on the State of Virginia Query 14: Jefferson advanced his suspicion that black people were inferior to white people "in the endowments both of body and mind." 

Misogyny is kind of hard to prove, he really kept a lid on his personal life.  But Kukla's book seems to make a case for it.
http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/44001.html



1.  Oh, the wife of his enemy got pissed, because he pardoned a man (Callendar) who said mean things about her husband (and thus violated the Alien and Sedition Acts, which Jefferson quite correctly found to be an abomination, constitutionally).  My bad, that's a perfectly credible source.  The bastard should have rotted in prison for saying that Adams was a jackass.  That's what America is all about.  Backstabber, my ass.

2.  Yeah...he probably believed that...Along with EVERY OTHER WHITE PERSON OF HIS DAY AND AGE (see my above post concerning current cultural standards).  He wasn't perfect by today's standards, so he must be a complete shit.

3.  Uh huh.  He was a private man, so Kukla can just infer any old thing he likes.  Sounds reasonable.

So, we've agreed the man had feet of clay...So let's rip them off and beat his head in with them.  Because, you know, there's probably no reason people are pushing the idea that we should discredit people like Jefferson and Madison...I mean, it's not like if the American people devalue them, they'll devalue their ideas, right?  Right right right?

Right! (I think) & How Whiggish?  It's not like this hasn't been done (a bunch of times) already?

QuotePresentism is a mode of historical analysis in which present-day ideas and perspectives are anachronistically introduced into depictions or interpretations of the past. Some modern historians seek to avoid presentism in their work because they believe it creates a distorted understanding of their subject matter.

The Oxford English Dictionary gives the first citation for presentism in its historiographic sense from 1916, and the word may have been in use in this meaning as early as the 1870s. Historian David Hackett Fischer identifies presentism as a logical fallacy also known as the "fallacy of nunc pro tunc". He has written that the "classic example" of presentism was the so-called "Whig history", in which certain eighteenth- and nineteenth-century British historians wrote history in a way that used the past to validate their own political beliefs. This interpretation was presentist because it did not depict the past in objective historical context, but instead viewed history only through the lens of contemporary Whig beliefs. In this kind of approach, which emphasizes the relevance of history to the present, things which do not seem relevant receive little attention, resulting in a misleading portrayal of the past. "Whig history" or "whiggishness" are often used as synonyms for presentism, particularly when the historical depiction in question is teleological or triumphalist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presentism_(literary_and_historical_analysis)


Thank you.  I was unaware there was a word for it.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Jasper on March 03, 2009, 01:48:13 AM
True enough about it being ignorant to characterize historical figures in a modern frame of thought.  I hate to think of how stupid all of this would look in 300 years of relative progress.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 03, 2009, 01:49:16 AM
Quote from: Felix on March 03, 2009, 01:48:13 AM
True enough about it being ignorant to characterize historical figures in a modern frame of thought.  I hate to think of how stupid all of this would look in 300 years of relative progress.

"Stay away from the ruins of the Old Ones, kid.  They're haunted."
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Jasper on March 03, 2009, 01:54:16 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 03, 2009, 01:49:16 AM
Quote from: Felix on March 03, 2009, 01:48:13 AM
True enough about it being ignorant to characterize historical figures in a modern frame of thought.  I hate to think of how stupid all of this would look in 300 years of relative progress.

"Stay away from the ruins of the Old Ones, kid.  They're haunted."


Considering I fully intend to get digital copies of myself, that can probably be arranged. :twisted:
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Requia ☣ on March 03, 2009, 03:11:31 AM
Quote from: Aufenthatt on March 02, 2009, 05:53:03 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 02, 2009, 02:03:34 AM
Quote from: Aufenthatt on March 01, 2009, 10:27:59 PM
Was Jefferson really that much of a step forward?

The fact that you can ask that without being arrested says "yes".

Elaborate

Considering that he just followed increasingly popular ideas in Europe

Jefferson, and not just Jefferson, but that entire lot, did one big thing the fuckers in europe never did.  They followed through.  Maybe not 100%, but the American revolution is the only violent uprising I know of where the leaders actually allowed democracy to exist on the first go.  Usually these things end badly, or at best, require a second violent uprising to toss out the assholes who promised democracy or communism or whatever it is the people think they want.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 03, 2009, 03:34:57 AM
Quote from: Requia on March 03, 2009, 03:11:31 AM
Quote from: Aufenthatt on March 02, 2009, 05:53:03 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 02, 2009, 02:03:34 AM
Quote from: Aufenthatt on March 01, 2009, 10:27:59 PM
Was Jefferson really that much of a step forward?

The fact that you can ask that without being arrested says "yes".

Elaborate

Considering that he just followed increasingly popular ideas in Europe

Jefferson, and not just Jefferson, but that entire lot, did one big thing the fuckers in europe never did.  They followed through.  Maybe not 100%, but the American revolution is the only violent uprising I know of where the leaders actually allowed democracy to exist on the first go.  Usually these things end badly, or at best, require a second violent uprising to toss out the assholes who promised democracy or communism or whatever it is the people think they want.

Voltaire:  Talker.

The Founders:  Punch you inna face and seize their rights.  What now, bitch, what now?
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Honey on March 03, 2009, 11:22:28 AM
Quote from: Felix on March 03, 2009, 01:48:13 AM
True enough about it being ignorant to characterize historical figures in a modern frame of thought.  I hate to think of how stupid all of this would look in 300 years of relative progress.

I just wanted to note that I did not believe what you were doing itt could be characterized as being ignorant.  I believe critical thought about these things is important.  However, if you're going to think about these things, you have to consider the time (the past) as part of the frame.  My pet peeve about these types of things is that many times the people presenting these views are doing it in with a "bread & circuses" kind of political agenda.  It obfuscates some of the more important issues revealed in favor of providing "entertainment" value, like a "bait & switch" trick.  Meanwhile the more important issues are forgotten.

Quote... Already long ago, from when we sold our vote to no man, the People have abdicated our duties; for the People who once upon a time handed out military command, high civil office, legions — everything, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things: bread and circuses.
(Juvenal, Satire 10.77–81)   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Requia ☣ on March 03, 2009, 03:13:32 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 04:12:36 AM
Quote from: KC on February 24, 2009, 04:11:10 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 01:11:59 AM
If they were given a minute to catch their breath, they'd tar and feather everyone on Capitol Hill, and then go rampaging across the mall towards the White House, wearing Scalia's face for a hat.

If anybody skins Scalia's face from his still screaming body and wears it as a hat before me there will be hell to pay.

I thought of it first, fucker.   :argh!:

If this ever happens, I want Dick Durbin's tongue.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Requia ☣ on March 03, 2009, 03:18:10 PM
Byron Dorgan's hands, I want them too.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Rumckle on March 17, 2009, 07:01:37 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 12:17:36 AM
FUCK HIM, TOO!   :argh!:

TGRR,
Slamming another cappuccino and watching the the sparkly things in front of my eyes.

:lulz:

now that Lumberjim deleted his posts, this is delightfully hilarious.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 17, 2009, 03:48:16 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 03, 2009, 01:49:16 AM
Quote from: Felix on March 03, 2009, 01:48:13 AM
True enough about it being ignorant to characterize historical figures in a modern frame of thought.  I hate to think of how stupid all of this would look in 300 years of relative progress.

"Stay away from the ruins of the Old Ones, kid.  They're haunted."


This is exactly why I'm pissed that the demolished the cooling towers at Trojan. For fuck's sake, that would have been a really great spooky relic.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Jasper on March 17, 2009, 06:42:47 PM
That just gave me an idea.  Take some land, turn it into a national preserve, and build a bunch of spooky ruins in it.  You could hide treasure and charge admission.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 08, 2009, 12:45:37 AM
Quote from: Nigel on March 17, 2009, 03:48:16 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 03, 2009, 01:49:16 AM
Quote from: Felix on March 03, 2009, 01:48:13 AM
True enough about it being ignorant to characterize historical figures in a modern frame of thought.  I hate to think of how stupid all of this would look in 300 years of relative progress.

"Stay away from the ruins of the Old Ones, kid.  They're haunted."


This is exactly why I'm pissed that the demolished the cooling towers at Trojan. For fuck's sake, that would have been a really great spooky relic.


:mad:
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 27, 2009, 09:26:33 PM
Bump for Nigel
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 28, 2009, 05:08:35 AM
:)
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 28, 2009, 05:11:44 AM
Fucking christ

after a bottle of wine and no goddamn sleep for days I am starting to be Elvis. And I should go to bed right now BUT A FRIEND IS COMING OVER WITH CIGARETTES, RIGHT? AND IF I DO THIS LONG ENOUGH I MIGHT BECOME GOD.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 02, 2009, 04:31:17 PM
Having re-read pages 5-6, I stand by everything I said.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Faithless on December 06, 2009, 11:48:19 PM
So, if we all know that we are circling the drain, do we wait for the big flush, and ride the waves, or do we try to jump out of this toilet? What does the monkey brain do? The flight or fight instinct installed in us compels us to try to escape, but as this is our whole world, there is no safe dry land to leap toward. From my limited perspective it appears that corporate America, and the world behind it, has taken to pushing the others down in hopes of one more breath of air before the final plunge.

So, since we are all on the Titanic, I think I will sit and enjoy the orchestra.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Jasper on December 15, 2009, 07:04:07 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 02, 2009, 04:31:17 PM
Having re-read pages 5-6, I stand by everything I said.

Ditto, to a point. I have never heard of great men or women who didn't have extreme personalities, and old Jefferson was no exception.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Payne on January 12, 2010, 12:19:29 AM
I think I want to memorise the OP in this, for recitation at opportune moments. Replete with AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEs and frothing at the mouth-ness.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 12, 2010, 02:09:04 AM
Quote from: Payne on January 12, 2010, 12:19:29 AM
I think I want to memorise the OP in this, for recitation at opportune moments. Replete with AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEs and frothing at the mouth-ness.

Pance poomping is recommended.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Payne on January 12, 2010, 12:24:18 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 12, 2010, 02:09:04 AM
Quote from: Payne on January 12, 2010, 12:19:29 AM
I think I want to memorise the OP in this, for recitation at opportune moments. Replete with AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEs and frothing at the mouth-ness.

Pance poomping is recommended.

I tried reciting it with appropriate fervour last night, and I discovered my lungs need moar exercise to do it right.

Paragraph long sentences make for hard going on the vocalising, but they sound suitably ranty and I think it would induce an appropriate frothing at the mouth effect.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Payne on January 12, 2010, 12:30:43 PM
Also, I can't seem to get the "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!" to sound correct.

~~~Payne: Doesn't know The Truth either :(
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 12, 2010, 07:30:29 PM
Quote from: Payne on January 12, 2010, 12:30:43 PM
Also, I can't seem to get the "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!" to sound correct.

~~~Payne: Doesn't know The Truth either :(

It doesn't have to go AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEE exactly.  Any inarticulate howling will do.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Ratssinis on January 15, 2010, 12:15:12 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 12:06:23 AM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

This thread ^


Truth is what you make it, its ugly because you just got dumped, and in all likelihood because YOU ARE UGLY. Thus you are the truth... But that's not right... You lie to yourself everyday. You stop to think, calm down. Turn on some music, the radio blares Elvis and you scream with system-shock because you've been reading about how Elvis knew the truth in this thread. How can you be sure he knew the truth anyway? Another lie? Welcome to confusion. The truth is a lie and all lies are truth. Opposites are exchangeable, all that matters is your perception of them. So stop your monkeybrain for a minute, put down that banana, and peek out the bars. Stop me if you've heard this before but the human brain is tiny, hold your fists together, that's your stupid monkeybrain. Now think a moment about how big the public-transit-riding-god-forsaken-universe is, that is this this 'truth'. Now when you feel ready to cram that universe into your monkeybrain without leaking you can call me up on the phone and say 'hey buddy! I just discovered the truth!' well great just don't leak it all over my carpet because let me tell you the little bits that you leak aren't the truth you've been looking for, the truth is everything in that universe all together, you miss a dust particle? sorry bub no enlightenment. Then again who are you to believe me? Maybe just talking about lies and truth is the truth and this whole thing is nothing more then putting thought to paper to ones and zeros to brain impulses....
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 15, 2010, 02:15:14 PM
Quote from: Ratssinis on January 15, 2010, 12:15:12 AM
The truth is a lie and all lies are truth. Opposites are exchangeable, all that matters is your perception of them.

I deny this.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: LMNO on January 15, 2010, 02:25:19 PM
Sounds really deep and wise though, don't it?
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 15, 2010, 03:59:24 PM
Quote from: LMNO on January 15, 2010, 02:25:19 PM
Sounds really deep and wise though, don't it?

No.  It sounds like "Nothing is true, everything is permitted".

Fact:  The Truth is what's really happening, whether or not you believe it.  Now, I understand that sometimes there are REAL cases where two observers see two different solutions to the same situation...the "dropping an object out the window of a moving car" example given to describe relativity, for example, where the quarter drops straight down relative to the car, and in a parabola to an observer on the ground...but the quarter drops all the same, and strikes the ground in the same place.

The argument given by the ZOMGCROWLEY crowd is that the quarter only fell period if you believe it, etc...but in the end, you're still out a quarter.  EOS.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Template on January 15, 2010, 05:01:59 PM
Unless you got that quarter as part of the change for a three-dollar bill, maybe?
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 15, 2010, 05:02:49 PM
Quote from: yhnmzw on January 15, 2010, 05:01:59 PM
Unless you got that quarter as part of the change for a three-dollar bill, maybe?

wut
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Template on January 15, 2010, 05:53:23 PM
Then you're still up 2.75 and someone's out 3 bucks on a phony bill.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Captain Utopia on January 15, 2010, 06:49:08 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 15, 2010, 03:59:24 PM
Quote from: LMNO on January 15, 2010, 02:25:19 PM
Sounds really deep and wise though, don't it?

No.  It sounds like "Nothing is true, everything is permitted".

Fact:  The Truth is what's really happening, whether or not you believe it.  Now, I understand that sometimes there are REAL cases where two observers see two different solutions to the same situation...the "dropping an object out the window of a moving car" example given to describe relativity, for example, where the quarter drops straight down relative to the car, and in a parabola to an observer on the ground...but the quarter drops all the same, and strikes the ground in the same place.

The argument given by the ZOMGCROWLEY crowd is that the quarter only fell period if you believe it, etc...but in the end, you're still out a quarter.  EOS.
:mittens:

This feels like the perfect antidote to the recent majickqueal threads.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Epimetheus on January 15, 2010, 07:03:27 PM
Maybe "nothing is true, everything is permitted" refers more to thoughts/beliefs than to actions?
considering "true" refers to facts/beliefs rather than doings.

(of course i haven't read whatever the source is for that phrase, so whatever. but that's my two cents)
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 15, 2010, 07:03:30 PM
Quote from: yhnmzw on January 15, 2010, 05:53:23 PM
Then you're still up 2.75 and someone's out 3 bucks on a phony bill.

Shut up.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 15, 2010, 07:03:54 PM
Quote from: FP on January 15, 2010, 06:49:08 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 15, 2010, 03:59:24 PM
Quote from: LMNO on January 15, 2010, 02:25:19 PM
Sounds really deep and wise though, don't it?

No.  It sounds like "Nothing is true, everything is permitted".

Fact:  The Truth is what's really happening, whether or not you believe it.  Now, I understand that sometimes there are REAL cases where two observers see two different solutions to the same situation...the "dropping an object out the window of a moving car" example given to describe relativity, for example, where the quarter drops straight down relative to the car, and in a parabola to an observer on the ground...but the quarter drops all the same, and strikes the ground in the same place.

The argument given by the ZOMGCROWLEY crowd is that the quarter only fell period if you believe it, etc...but in the end, you're still out a quarter.  EOS.
:mittens:

This feels like the perfect antidote to the recent majickqueal threads.

There is no antidote.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 15, 2010, 07:04:39 PM
Quote from: Epimetheus on January 15, 2010, 07:03:27 PM
Maybe "nothing is true, everything is permitted" refers more to thoughts/beliefs than to actions?
considering "true" refers to facts/beliefs rather than doings.

(of course i haven't read whatever the source is for that phrase, so whatever. but that's my two cents)

Stop.  We are not having that goddamn conversation in this thread. 

Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Epimetheus on January 15, 2010, 07:06:28 PM
ok. Anyway

QuoteFact:  The Truth is what's really happening, whether or not you believe it.  Now, I understand that sometimes there are REAL cases where two observers see two different solutions to the same situation...the "dropping an object out the window of a moving car" example given to describe relativity, for example, where the quarter drops straight down relative to the car, and in a parabola to an observer on the ground...but the quarter drops all the same, and strikes the ground in the same place.

The argument given by the ZOMGCROWLEY crowd is that the quarter only fell period if you believe it, etc...but in the end, you're still out a quarter.  EOS.
:thumb: :thumb: :banana:
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Ratssinis on January 16, 2010, 03:58:01 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 15, 2010, 03:59:24 PM
Quote from: LMNO on January 15, 2010, 02:25:19 PM
Sounds really deep and wise though, don't it?

No.  It sounds like "Nothing is true, everything is permitted".

Fact:  The Truth is what's really happening, whether or not you believe it.  Now, I understand that sometimes there are REAL cases where two observers see two different solutions to the same situation...the "dropping an object out the window of a moving car" example given to describe relativity, for example, where the quarter drops straight down relative to the car, and in a parabola to an observer on the ground...but the quarter drops all the same, and strikes the ground in the same place.

The argument given by the ZOMGCROWLEY crowd is that the quarter only fell period if you believe it, etc...but in the end, you're still out a quarter.  EOS.


That wasn't the point, but I can understand how it might have come off that way. The objective was to ride the train-wreck right to the end and not get caught up in all the details along the way. Even if that suggests that your own BIP might supersede reality's 'real'. The thing is people wouldn't BOTHER with BIPs and grids and all that unless it had some bearing on how they or the world interacted with each-other. However slight, its the grain of rice that tips the scale. So maybe its "Everything is true(If you believe in it and it doesn't shit on your house), everything is permitted" eh?

Edit: Look for the brackets.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: BabylonHoruv on January 20, 2010, 04:26:18 AM
Quote from: Epimetheus on January 15, 2010, 07:03:27 PM
Maybe "nothing is true, everything is permitted" refers more to thoughts/beliefs than to actions?
considering "true" refers to facts/beliefs rather than doings.

(of course i haven't read whatever the source is for that phrase, so whatever. but that's my two cents)

I tend to attribute it to RAW since the first time I saw it in that form was in Illuminatus.  He attributes it to the Hassan Ibn Al Sabah leader of the Hashishim, but everything I have seen on it suggests that is a false attribution.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 20, 2010, 12:08:35 PM
NOT HAVING THE FUCKING MAGICKAL DISCUSSION IN THIS FUCKING THREAD.

STOP.  NOW.  THANK YOU.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Ratssinis on January 20, 2010, 04:07:09 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 20, 2010, 12:08:35 PM
NOT HAVING THE FUCKING MAGICKAL DISCUSSION IN THIS FUCKING THREAD.

STOP.  NOW.  THANK YOU.

ur cute.  :D
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 20, 2010, 04:10:00 PM
Quote from: Ratssinis on January 20, 2010, 04:07:09 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 20, 2010, 12:08:35 PM
NOT HAVING THE FUCKING MAGICKAL DISCUSSION IN THIS FUCKING THREAD.

STOP.  NOW.  THANK YOU.

ur cute.  :D

So is my dog.  My dog has mange, one eye, and 6 horrible teeth that area all encrusted with dried blood and fur from eating the neighbor's kittens as fast as her 10 un-neutered cats can pump them out.  He also shits on anything that moves slower than he does.

I am similar, only I still have both eyes.  For now.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Manabu on January 20, 2010, 04:15:30 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 20, 2010, 04:10:00 PM
Quote from: Ratssinis on January 20, 2010, 04:07:09 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 20, 2010, 12:08:35 PM
NOT HAVING THE FUCKING MAGICKAL DISCUSSION IN THIS FUCKING THREAD.

STOP.  NOW.  THANK YOU.

ur cute.  :D

So is my dog.  My dog has mange, one eye, and 6 horrible teeth that area all encrusted with dried blood and fur from eating the neighbor's kittens as fast as her 10 un-neutered cats can pump them out.  He also shits on anything that moves slower than he does.

I am similar, only I still have both eyes.  For now.
and here i was going to comment on that sounding much like you, but you had to beat me to it, didn't you? steal my damn thunder, why don't you...
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 20, 2010, 04:17:46 PM
Quote from: Manabu on January 20, 2010, 04:15:30 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 20, 2010, 04:10:00 PM
Quote from: Ratssinis on January 20, 2010, 04:07:09 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 20, 2010, 12:08:35 PM
NOT HAVING THE FUCKING MAGICKAL DISCUSSION IN THIS FUCKING THREAD.

STOP.  NOW.  THANK YOU.

ur cute.  :D

So is my dog.  My dog has mange, one eye, and 6 horrible teeth that area all encrusted with dried blood and fur from eating the neighbor's kittens as fast as her 10 un-neutered cats can pump them out.  He also shits on anything that moves slower than he does.

I am similar, only I still have both eyes.  For now.
and here i was going to comment on that sounding much like you, but you had to beat me to it, didn't you? steal my damn thunder, why don't you...

I had to, or that bastard LMNO would have sniped my punchline again.  Do not trust him, he is a very rude man.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Manabu on January 20, 2010, 04:24:41 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 20, 2010, 04:17:46 PM
Quote from: Manabu on January 20, 2010, 04:15:30 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 20, 2010, 04:10:00 PM
Quote from: Ratssinis on January 20, 2010, 04:07:09 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 20, 2010, 12:08:35 PM
NOT HAVING THE FUCKING MAGICKAL DISCUSSION IN THIS FUCKING THREAD.

STOP.  NOW.  THANK YOU.

ur cute.  :D

So is my dog.  My dog has mange, one eye, and 6 horrible teeth that area all encrusted with dried blood and fur from eating the neighbor's kittens as fast as her 10 un-neutered cats can pump them out.  He also shits on anything that moves slower than he does.

I am similar, only I still have both eyes.  For now.
and here i was going to comment on that sounding much like you, but you had to beat me to it, didn't you? steal my damn thunder, why don't you...

I had to, or that bastard LMNO would have sniped my punchline again.  Do not trust him, he is a very rude man.
well, we can't have that.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 20, 2010, 04:25:30 PM
Quote from: Manabu on January 20, 2010, 04:24:41 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 20, 2010, 04:17:46 PM
Quote from: Manabu on January 20, 2010, 04:15:30 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 20, 2010, 04:10:00 PM
Quote from: Ratssinis on January 20, 2010, 04:07:09 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 20, 2010, 12:08:35 PM
NOT HAVING THE FUCKING MAGICKAL DISCUSSION IN THIS FUCKING THREAD.

STOP.  NOW.  THANK YOU.

ur cute.  :D

So is my dog.  My dog has mange, one eye, and 6 horrible teeth that area all encrusted with dried blood and fur from eating the neighbor's kittens as fast as her 10 un-neutered cats can pump them out.  He also shits on anything that moves slower than he does.

I am similar, only I still have both eyes.  For now.
and here i was going to comment on that sounding much like you, but you had to beat me to it, didn't you? steal my damn thunder, why don't you...

I had to, or that bastard LMNO would have sniped my punchline again.  Do not trust him, he is a very rude man.
well, we can't have that.

Try and stop him.  The bastard is relentless.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: LMNO on January 20, 2010, 04:33:33 PM
And patient, old man.



I'm gonna wait until you need your diaper changed, then all your punchline are belong to us.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 20, 2010, 04:34:31 PM
Quote from: LMNO on January 20, 2010, 04:33:33 PM
And patient, old man.



I'm gonna wait until you need your diaper changed, then all your punchline are belong to us.

I thought of that, so I'm just going to shit in my pance for great justice.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: BabylonHoruv on January 21, 2010, 12:28:32 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 20, 2010, 12:08:35 PM
NOT HAVING THE FUCKING MAGICKAL DISCUSSION IN THIS FUCKING THREAD.

STOP.  NOW.  THANK YOU.

I wasn't.  I was debating the attribution of the quote in question.  I may be a funny hat wearing pixie dust farter but I have done my best to keep from derailing any of your threads with it.  I know that is not only rude but a poor idea.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 12, 2011, 08:24:06 PM
Bump
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 11, 2018, 05:24:43 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 12:06:23 AM
The very worst thing that can happen to you is that you actually understand what Elvis was trying to tell us.

Ho ho!  Yes, because you CAN'T understand The King until you've walked with The King, down that Lost Highway where you actually SEE what's going on and it's so fucking horrible that you have to slam pills to go to sleep and drink wads of caffeine to wake up...in some kind of hellish speedball that you are fairly certain is killing you but God please God if I have to die on the toilet please let it be while I'm upper decking the American Legion, do ya dig?

You see, Elvis knew the score...and of course I'm talking about the REAL Elvis, the FAT Elvis, who ruled Vegas and Memphis with an iron grip.  Why do you think he lost his fucking mind, posed with Nixon, and then spent the rest of his life wearing a cape?  But now I know the score, too, and you know what?  Elvis doesn't look so ridiculous anymore.  The sequins, the boots, that stupid fucking jumpsuit...they are the product of a diseased mind, and that disease is called The Truth.  Elvis KNEW The Truth, and I have BEEN TO THE MOUNTAIN, and I have SEEN what he saw, and let me tell you, brothers and sisters, The Truth is an ugly thing.

DID YOU HEAR ME?  I SAID THE TRUTH IS AN UGLY THING!  CAN I GET A HALLELUJAH?

Would you like to know The Truth?  Before you answer, bear in mind that once you KNOW it, you can't UN-KNOW it, all you can do is spend the rest of your life staring at the ceiling all damn night and trying to forget!  And even if you WANT to know the truth, you CAN'T unless you can leave your petty little biases and hopes behind, and while most people SAY they can do that, they will almost always - at least in their own minds - add little qualifiers, usually involving Bush, Obama, Pelosi, and a religion or four.  Why?  Because they're fucking MONKEYS, and they have pack mentality programs running in their heads...everyone does.  Some people know this, fewer understand it, even less can look past it, and NOBODY can turn it off.

So fuck you.  I'm not telling you the truth, you wouldn't listen anyway.  You can just put yourself into the same condition I'm in, drink coffee until your lips turn numb, pop Ambien like a crackhead, and blast A Little Less Conversation on the CD player while you careen from lane to lane at 4AM screaming and howling at the morons who are for some reason on the road at that ungodly hour.  THEN you might understand.  THEN you might see.  THEN YOU MIGHT GET AN INKLING OF WHAT THE FUCK IS REALLY GOING ON!  THEN YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE BEING FUCKED EVEN WORSE THAN YOU THOUGHT, BY HORRIBLE THINGS YOU THOUGHT WERE YOUR LEADERS!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Or Kill Me.

This kind of shit is why we had TGRR killed.