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Principia Discordia => Literate Chaotic => Topic started by: Cain on February 01, 2008, 11:04:00 pm

Title: How full of shit is Peter Levenda?
Post by: Cain on February 01, 2008, 11:04:00 pm
That's not a rhetorical question, by the way, its an honest enquiry.

For those who don't know, Levenda was the man behind the Simon Necronomicon, the first faked version of the book bearing Lovecraft's name.  He naturally denies it (and more interestingly, denies it is the same Necronomicon Lovecraft wrote about, but is the book he took the name from), and has spun an interesting tale about spies and monks and international theft which is currently being made into a book, which will probably be entertaining reading once it is done.

But he also wrote some apparently serious books, such as the Unholy Alliance series, which documents the role of the occult in Nazi Germany, the German transplants from Operation Paperclip who went to work for the CIA and the role of the occult in the history of America.  I was reading an interview he did with Tracy Twyman, and he certainly seemd to know his stuff.  And then he ruined it by mentioning a Nazi-Voodoo-ism (possibly Obeah or Hoodoo) mix going on in Chile, which, while theoretically possible, is stretching credibility a lot.

So, has anyone read the guy, or have any knowledge of him?  How seriously should he be taken?  He clearly does impressive amounts of research, but he's got a fair bit of mischief in him as well, so I wonder...
Title: Re: How full of shit is Peter Levenda?
Post by: Mangrove on February 03, 2008, 03:15:07 am
I think this is the same guy who made some tenuous connections to prove that a former Pope was a member of the OTO.

I don't know how true that it is. Makes me laugh to think about,  however.

Not familiar with this guy's work beyond browsing a little through his recent 'Papal Magic' book.
Title: Re: How full of shit is Peter Levenda?
Post by: Thurnez Isa on February 03, 2008, 01:54:32 pm
But he also wrote some apparently serious books, such as the Unholy Alliance series, which documents the role of the occult in Nazi Germany, the German transplants from Operation Paperclip who went to work for the CIA and the role of the occult in the history of America.  I was reading an interview he did with Tracy Twyman, and he certainly seemd to know his stuff.  And then he ruined it by mentioning a Nazi-Voodoo-ism (possibly Obeah or Hoodoo) mix going on in Chile, which, while theoretically possible, is stretching credibility a lot.

that about says it all
his book unholy Alliance is good enough to read
as he at least knows all the main characters, expecially those predating the Society of Thule
but he does tend to take theories and jump to conclusions quickly
expecially with Nazi involvement in Central America

I occassionaly have read some of his blog in passing interest
http://sinisterforces.info/blog/index.php?/authors/2-Peter-Levenda
but not enough to really comment
Title: Re: How full of shit is Peter Levenda?
Post by: Cain on February 03, 2008, 03:06:24 pm
Ooh, bookmarked.

Central America and Naziism is an odd topic anyway.  Very hard to find serious research on what went on down there....but yeah, if he's gonna make the assertions, I hope he has at least plausible reasons for doing so.  It'd be disappointing if Unholy Alliance turned out to be another half true, half fictional account from Levenda.
Title: Re: How full of shit is Peter Levenda?
Post by: Faust on May 29, 2017, 10:51:27 pm
Bump, this guy must like googling himself, he is the top search for the forum this month with 120 click throughs to the forum
Title: Re: How full of shit is Peter Levenda?
Post by: LuciferX on May 29, 2017, 11:43:46 pm
What pisses me off is having to deal with all of the cognitive dissonance this guy generates. Feels like any truth gets obfuscated for the sake of sensationalism. Then I'm stuck arguing with people about how a stealth post WW-I- (yes, 1, just last night) NAZI traversal of N.America is both insufficient and mostly incorrect to explain anything.

Even if the author in question may not have made that specific claim, he might as well have. Initially I thought it was all fun and games. Now not so much. Even if the material is not directly toxic to you, it can be once it passes through someone else which which you come in contact: victimization by proxy.
Title: Re: How full of shit is Peter Levenda?
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on May 30, 2017, 11:11:46 pm
If he wrote the Fakeronomicon that's his credibility gone right there
Title: Re: How full of shit is Peter Levenda?
Post by: LuciferX on May 31, 2017, 01:33:32 am
There should still be a black-box warning on the cover regarding the dangers of confusing primary through tertiary sources, I proclaim, from my extensive repertoire of hearsay on said author. Others are clearly not so exceptionally discerning. My condolences for the passing of his relative Lionel, survived by second-cousin Sylvia O'Donnell
Title: Re: How full of shit is Peter Levenda?
Post by: Cramulus on May 31, 2017, 04:12:38 am
Bump, this guy must like googling himself, he is the top search for the forum this month with 120 click throughs to the forum

If I google Peter Levenda, this thread is the fourth hit. I wonder if he was mentioned on TV or something?

For you people stopping in from google - this is a much better thread about Peter Levenda (https://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=34787.0)


Also, look at this guy:
(http://fascinatingnouns.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Peter-Levenda-Square.jpg)
Title: Re: How full of shit is Peter Levenda?
Post by: Eater of Clowns on May 31, 2017, 03:02:41 pm
Going by his eyes, I'm going to say full of shit, but completely believing it.
Title: Re: How full of shit is Peter Levenda?
Post by: THE QLIPHITISER on January 16, 2018, 10:12:47 am
How full of shit is Peter Levenda?


Very



Very much, and most people don't even realize that the Simon Necronomicon was written by him. To add to that, half the people that believe it's legit, haven't even read Lovecraft  :lulz:
Title: Re: How full of shit is Peter Levenda?
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on January 17, 2018, 04:52:29 pm
How full of shit is Peter Levenda?


Very



Very much, and most people don't even realize that the Simon Necronomicon was written by him. To add to that, half the people that believe it's legit, haven't even read Lovecraft  :lulz:

Book of Worms and the 50 Names of Marduk were fun. If he made those up... wow.
Title: Re: How full of shit is Peter Levenda?
Post by: THE QLIPHITISER on January 24, 2018, 01:26:35 am
Book of Worms and the 50 Names of Marduk were fun. If he made those up... wow.

One word: Plagiarism

Done in a way that is convincing to Lovecraftianites but otherwise not. There are parts of the book are derived from rituals that do work (with Cthulhu inserted in), but it is the kind of book that Occultists scoff at and that superstitious paranormal people think is legitimately real.  :lulz:
Title: Re: How full of shit is Peter Levenda?
Post by: Cain on January 24, 2018, 11:38:47 am
That was actually one of the things I was wondering about, however many years ago when I posted this.  The Simon Necrocomicon has had a lot of claimed authors, after all.
Title: Re: How full of shit is Peter Levenda?
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on February 25, 2018, 07:19:30 pm
For those who don't know, Levenda was the man behind the Simon Necronomicon, the first faked version of the book bearing Lovecraft's name.

I've read that. It's like the writer wasn;t even trying to make the contents Necronomicon-like. It isn't even half-assed; it's maybe quarter-assed at best

To add to that, half the people that believe it's legit, haven't even read Lovecraft  :lulz:

The baffling thing about this is that the other half have. You'd think they'd be familiar enough to see that it's clearly unrelated.
Title: Re: How full of shit is Peter Levenda?
Post by: Pergamos on March 27, 2018, 07:53:08 am
Book of Worms and the 50 Names of Marduk were fun. If he made those up... wow.

One word: Plagiarism

Done in a way that is convincing to Lovecraftianites but otherwise not. There are parts of the book are derived from rituals that do work (with Cthulhu inserted in), but it is the kind of book that Occultists scoff at and that superstitious paranormal people think is legitimately real.  :lulz:

Rituals that legitimately do work?  Elaborate please, what do they do?  Assuming you take out the cthulhu and put whatever diety belongs in there back, or whatever part they snippled to put in tentacles.
Title: Re: How full of shit is Peter Levenda?
Post by: LuciferX on March 27, 2018, 01:17:18 pm
Behold! Starting @1:07, Simon Says - Necronomicon Audio Instructions [ostensibly by the author thereof]
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kJKD8CU0CBo

I cannot confirm or corroborate the source, for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: How full of shit is Peter Levenda?
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on March 31, 2018, 05:47:16 pm
How full of shit is Peter Levenda?


Very



Very much, and most people don't even realize that the Simon Necronomicon was written by him. To add to that, half the people that believe it's legit, haven't even read Lovecraft  :lulz:

Book of Worms and the 50 Names of Marduk were fun. If he made those up... wow.

I don't know if he personally made them up but they certainly don;t have anything to do with the fucking Necronomicon, so they were definitely at least misappropriated for the book
Title: Re: How full of shit is Peter Levenda?
Post by: LuciferX on April 05, 2018, 09:02:50 am
DeBriefing:
The tru-tru @ 6:23 of https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=4Ls3ssRmN4E
Anything prior is hogwash.
Title: Re: How full of shit is Peter Levenda?
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on April 06, 2018, 01:14:32 am
DeBriefing:
The tru-tru @ 6:23 of https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=4Ls3ssRmN4E
Anything prior is hogwash.
:lulz: