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Principia Discordia => Or Kill Me => Topic started by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on November 04, 2009, 09:30:08 pm

Title: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on November 04, 2009, 09:30:08 pm
Many of you are so-called Discordians and SubGenii are probably still blundering and toiling under the  :fnord: Curse of Greyface* :evilmad: (adherence to or application of unnecessary and/or destructive order and control, see footnote) without even knowing it. Many you may think you have freed yourself from his curse, but most of you are WRONG, you poor deluded fools... He lurks where you least expect it! he bends the knees and crushes the mind yet none behold the hand that smites! Beware of destructive order! Fear Him!


:roflcake: All of the following are of the Curse of Greyface (although some may be unexpected),  
All of them Being either: Order imposed for no reason, or situations where chaos would work just as well (or better), Or else Order of an actually destructive nature:

•   Spaying or Neutering Your Pets− In fact, any attempt to control thepe population. They talk about how many unwanted animals ae euthanized in animal shelters each year, but that is a problem which arises not from animal population, but from attempts to control it. We could make the number of unwanted animals euthanized each year drop instantly to zero if we just shut down the animal shelters and admitted to ourselves that there is no more need to control the population of stray cats and dogs than there is to control the populations or squirrels or songbirds , nor is there any reason other than unmitigated hubris to believe that animals of any sort are or even could be significantly worse off without us in their lives.
•   Yardwork and Lawn Care− You probably spend a great deal of your time inside and most likely so do your neighbors. If you really have business just hanging around on your lawn all the time (or if your neighbors have business staring at it all hours of the day and night) instead of either doing something inside or else going somewhere more interesting than a stupid boring residential lawn (such as a public pool, or a video arcade, or a skate park, or (if you live near the seashore) the beach or the boardwalk, or a bowling alley, or the park) then by all means, keep your yard tidy, but if not, I really do not see what good it will do for you. Plus its bad for the environment, because not only do most lawnmowers have very low fuel−efficiency (and large "Carbon−Footprints" to use a hackneyed and banal popular cliché), and not only are chemical yard treatments bad for local wildlife (especially frogs and salamanders and other cute littkle amphibians), but also, cutting the grass reduces the grass's avaible photosynthetic surfaces, and that means less photosysnthesis and thus less carbon dioxide removed from the air and less oxygen given off
•   Trying To Help Control The Human Population by Not Reproducing− The fact of the matter is, that in the long run, all that this will accomplish is to reduce the overall occurrences of any genetic predisposition towards having a social conscience within the human gene pool. If you care enough about overpopulation to want to do something about it, then you should try to stop other people from reproducing.
•   Abortion− This is a clearly a form of destructive order. Furthermore, it lends itself to the advancement of eugenics−related ideas; Weeding out those who are "disordered" before they can even be born. While this may have some valid upshots it is stlll far, far worse than the alternative; I'd sooner see this species devolve into barely animate wads of slime than let its gene−pool be controlled by what the pinks and the mediocretin normals think is and isn't "Disordered"
•   Tidying the House− This is only a good thing to do if it actually makes things easier to use; If you've memorized and gotten used to your possessions locations where they are strewn about the house, and if the places where things are used are far from the places where they are stored, and if you can still move around the house, then the small aesthetic benefit gained from having a tidy home is probably (and in fact, almost definitely) far more trouble than its worth.


 :FFF:



*For those of you unfamiliar with the parable of Greyface and the/his curse, I will reiterate it here. Greyface, (whether or not he literally exists or not, doesn't matter) is a far more potent figure of negative slack than Satan or even NHGH and Hyper-NHGH, and it is important to know what he is and what you are up against:

   Thousands of years ago, a malcontented hunchbrain by the name of Greyface, got it into his head that the universe was as humorless as he, and he began to teach that play was sinful because it contradicted the ways of Serious Order. ``Look at all the order around you,'' he said. And from that, he deluded honest men to believe that reality was a straightjacket affair and not the happy romance as men had known it.
      It is not presently understood why men were so gullible at that particular time, for absolutely no one thought to observe all the disorder around them and conclude just the opposite. But anyway, Greyface and his followers took the game of playing at life more seriously than they took life itself and were known even to destroy other living beings whose ways of life differed from their own.
      The unfortunate result of this is that mankind has since been suffering from a psychological and spiritual imbalance. Imbalance causes frustration, and frustration causes fear. And fear makes for a bad trip. Man has been on a bad trip for a long time now.
      It is called THE CURSE OF GREYFACE.
      To choose order over disorder, or disorder over order, is to accept a trip composed of both the creative and the destructive. But to choose the creative over the destructive is an all-creative trip composed of both order and disorder. To accomplish this, one need only accept creative disorder along with, and equal to, creative order, and also willing to reject destructive order as an undesirable equal to destructive disorder.
      The Curse of Greyface included the division of life into order/disorder as the essential positive/negative polarity, instead of building a game foundation with creative/destructive as the essential positive/negative. He has thereby caused man to endure the destructive aspects of order and has prevented man from effectively participating in the creative uses of disorder. Civilization reflects this unfortunate division.
      POEE proclaims that the other division is preferable, and we work toward the proposition that creative disorder, like creative order, is possible and desirable; and that destructive order, like destructive disorder, is unnecessary and undesirable.
      Seek the Sacred Chao -- therein you will find the foolishness of all ORDER/DISORDER. They are the same!
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Jenne on November 04, 2009, 09:36:35 pm
Hm.  Um, no.

Go to Mexico--see all you hold above to be "work of the Greyface" turned on its ear, and you'll see that what you're really talking about is just ANOTHER kind of Greyface.  That of not giving a shit about anything or anyone.

Dogs and cats milling around refuse, feral, does not equal a balancing out.  Just makes them diseased and dangerous to be around.  Not cutting grass leads to pestilence, and so does not cleaning your damned house.

You don't live with an asthmatic, do you?
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 04, 2009, 09:45:25 pm
WTF?   :lulz:

You're a fucking loon.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 04, 2009, 09:45:59 pm
Hm.  Um, no.

Go to Mexico--see all you hold above to be "work of the Greyface" turned on its ear, and you'll see that what you're really talking about is just ANOTHER kind of Greyface.  That of not giving a shit about anything or anyone.

Dogs and cats milling around refuse, feral, does not equal a balancing out.  Just makes them diseased and dangerous to be around.  Not cutting grass leads to pestilence, and so does not cleaning your damned house.

You don't live with an asthmatic, do you?


Hush.  He's telling us how to be REALLY REALLY REAL DISCORDIANS FOR REALNESS™.

:lulz:
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Kai on November 04, 2009, 09:46:44 pm
Common sense, as uncommon as it can be, is needed.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Jenne on November 04, 2009, 09:53:40 pm
Hm.  Um, no.

Go to Mexico--see all you hold above to be "work of the Greyface" turned on its ear, and you'll see that what you're really talking about is just ANOTHER kind of Greyface.  That of not giving a shit about anything or anyone.

Dogs and cats milling around refuse, feral, does not equal a balancing out.  Just makes them diseased and dangerous to be around.  Not cutting grass leads to pestilence, and so does not cleaning your damned house.

You don't live with an asthmatic, do you?


Hush.  He's telling us how to be REALLY REALLY REAL DISCORDIANS FOR REALNESS™.

:lulz:

Meh.  How often do I have to be told how to not grey mah face?  Jaysus.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 04, 2009, 10:04:52 pm
Okay, I'll play this game.

Many of you are so-called Discordians and SubGenii are probably still blundering and toiling under the  :fnord: Curse of Greyface

We are not REAL Discordians and Subgenii, folks.  But fear not!  A guru has come along to show us the way!

:roflcake: All of the following are of the Curse of Greyface (although some may be unexpected),  
All of them Being either: Order imposed for no reason, or situations where chaos would work just as well (or better), Or else Order of an actually destructive nature:

There is no "order" and "disorder", or "destructive" or "constructive", Slappy.  There is only chaos.

•   Spaying or Neutering Your Pets− In fact, any attempt to control thepe population.

Translation:  The world needs more mammals.

•   Yardwork and Lawn Care− You probably spend a great deal of your time inside and most likely so do your neighbors. If you really have business just hanging around on your lawn all the time (or if your neighbors have business staring at it all hours of the day and night) instead of either doing something inside or else going somewhere more interesting than a stupid boring residential lawn (such as a public pool, or a video arcade, or a skate park, or (if you live near the seashore) the beach or the boardwalk, or a bowling alley, or the park) then by all means, keep your yard tidy, but if not, I really do not see what good it will do for you.

Translation:  What you find aesthetically pleasing is meaningless.  Shandor will tell you what looks nice.


•   Trying To Help Control The Human Population by Not Reproducing

TRANSLATION:  There aren't enough people in the world.  Everywhere should be like China, with people shoulder to shoulder.

•   Abortion− This is a clearly a form of destructive order.

TRANSLATION:  There aren't enough unwanted babies in the world.  Unwanted babies are a desirable thing.  

•   Tidying the House− This is only a good thing to do if it actually makes things easier to use; If you've memorized and gotten used to your possessions locations where they are strewn about the house, and if the places where things are used are far from the places where they are stored, and if you can still move around the house, then the small aesthetic benefit gained from having a tidy home is probably (and in fact, almost definitely) far more trouble than its worth.

Translation:  Live in a pigsty, that never causes fire or trip hazards.  Or disease.


 
*For those of you unfamiliar with the parable of Greyface and the/his curse, I will reiterate it here.

Translation:  Nobody here has read the PD or RAW, and if you were, you were too stupid to understand it.  Our new guru will explain it to you.  Slowly.  In small words.

Remember, kids:  Your Discordia is really just a vehicle for Shandor's sophomoric causes.  You are his personal army.  Now, get out there and spread the word!
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Cramulus on November 04, 2009, 10:34:26 pm
I couldn't tell if this was tongue-in-cheek or not.  In that, I am amused.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 04, 2009, 10:36:42 pm
I couldn't tell if this was tongue-in-cheek or not.  In that, I am amused.

I thought it was, at first.  Later into it, I realized these are causes near and dear to his heart.

In that, *I* am amused.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Kai on November 04, 2009, 10:49:28 pm
I'm against realness. I'mma gonna start the Unreally Unreal Discordians for Unrealness (Unreally!) Club.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Rumckle on November 04, 2009, 11:55:34 pm
 :lulz:
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on November 05, 2009, 12:51:57 am
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•   Spaying or Neutering Your Pets− In fact, any attempt to control thepe population. They talk about how many unwanted animals ae euthanized in animal shelters each year, but that is a problem which arises not from animal population, but from attempts to control it. We could make the number of unwanted animals euthanized each year drop instantly to zero if we just shut down the animal shelters and admitted to ourselves that there is no more need to control the population of stray cats and dogs than there is to control the populations or squirrels or songbirds , nor is there any reason other than unmitigated hubris to believe that animals of any sort are or even could be significantly worse off without us in their lives.

Because of feral cats, the native birds of Hawaii (and many other islands, I'm sure) are extinct or badly endangered.

Also, wild mammals running around spread rabies amongst each other. Which is totally desirable and trying to avoid rabies is just another tool of Teh Greyface!!!11!!!1

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•   Tidying the House− This is only a good thing to do if it actually makes things easier to use; If you've memorized and gotten used to your possessions locations where they are strewn about the house, and if the places where things are used are far from the places where they are stored, and if you can still move around the house, then the small aesthetic benefit gained from having a tidy home is probably (and in fact, almost definitely) far more trouble than its worth.

I'm glad you've come up with a philosophical way to justify letting your domicile be sloppy. Now shut the fuck up and stop telling people what's right and what's wrong about the way they live. Some people are simply uncomfortable in messy homes; but of course people with OCD or a predisposition towards neatness aren't really people, what am I thinking?
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on November 05, 2009, 12:58:52 am
I just realized that Shandor is my awful neighbor from back in the Catskills. House is a mess, lawn is unkempt and overgrown, cats breeding and inbreeding all over the place and spilling into neighbor's yards, and popping out baby after baby whether they wanted one or not.

I assume property laws are also tools of Greyface, and it's totally unreasonable of me to be pissed that you parked a junker car on my front lawn because you have twice as many vehicles as you can fit in your garage and driveway?

If you're comfortable with living like that, enjoy yourself. Stay the fuck out of my neighborhood, though, because I reserve the right to be a passive-aggressive dick over the fact that your mere presence has reduced the value of my home.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: The Johnny on November 05, 2009, 01:09:03 am

EDit: yea, what the others said, you seem to like rabies, being a slob, and not tolerating different notions of aesthetics.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: The Johnny on November 05, 2009, 01:10:36 am
Go to Mexico--see all you hold above to be "work of the Greyface" turned on its ear, and you'll see that what you're really talking about is just ANOTHER kind of Greyface.  That of not giving a shit about anything or anyone.

Mexico whut?
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on November 05, 2009, 01:35:09 am

•   Trying To Help Control The Human Population by Not Reproducing

TRANSLATION:  There aren't enough people in the world.  Everywhere should be like China, with people shoulder to shoulder.

You missed my point on this one entirely.

I agree that there are too many people in the world, HOWEVER I am cognizant of the fact that the idea that people can supposedly solve the problem by choosing (for that specific reason) not to reproduce contains an INHERENT BIOLOGICAL FLAW. Physical traits are not the only type of traits that can be inherited, mental and emotional traits and dispositions can be inherited as well, and if everybody who was concerned about the size of the human population suddenly decided not to reproduce, then any heritable dispositions that could contribute to caring about the size of the human population would be significantly weakened in the human gene pool and, within a couple of generations, people would be even more predisposed to recklessly reproduce, and would quickly more than cancel out the dent put in the population by those who chose not to reproduce.

Personally, I believe that other methods are in order called for to control the world's human population. The same short-term benefits (but much less long-term negative impact) could be achieved without trying to regulate our own reproduction, by instead convincing the world's various governments to DE-REGULATE products and practices that cause infertility, that way the genes removed from the gene pool might actually be ones that deserve to be...
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 05, 2009, 02:00:18 am

•   Trying To Help Control The Human Population by Not Reproducing

TRANSLATION:  There aren't enough people in the world.  Everywhere should be like China, with people shoulder to shoulder.

You missed my point on this one entirely.

I agree that there are too many people in the world, HOWEVER I am cognizant of the fact that the idea that people can supposedly solve the problem by choosing (for that specific reason) not to reproduce contains an INHERENT BIOLOGICAL FLAW. Physical traits are not the only type of traits that can be inherited, mental and emotional traits and dispositions can be inherited as well, and if everybody who was concerned about the size of the human population suddenly decided not to reproduce, then any heritable dispositions that could contribute to caring about the size of the human population would be significantly weakened in the human gene pool and, within a couple of generations, people would be even more predisposed to recklessly reproduce, and would quickly more than cancel out the dent put in the population by those who chose not to reproduce.

Personally, I believe that other methods are in order called for to control the world's human population. The same short-term benefits (but much less long-term negative impact) could be achieved without trying to regulate our own reproduction, by instead convincing the world's various governments to DE-REGULATE products and practices that cause infertility, that way the genes removed from the gene pool might actually be ones that deserve to be...

And you were the one bitching about eugenics.   :lulz:

SMUDGY PEOPLES FROM UNFURNISHED COUNTRIES DESERVE TO BE STERILIZED!

 :lulz:
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Kai on November 05, 2009, 02:01:15 am
Somebody is confusing nature and nurture.

No no, don't waste your time trying to backpeddle out of that one. Concern for the size of the human population isn't a heritable trait, its a learned behavior. There are enough kids around needing homes and just waiting for the right parents to come along and give them the right sort of upbringing. No need to bring the "intelligent people go extinct" argument into play, and not only because it's bullshit.

Not that I'm mandating birth control or chastising expectant parents.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 05, 2009, 02:02:29 am
Somebody is confusing nature and nurture.

No no, don't waste your time trying to backpeddle out of that one. Concern for the size of the human population isn't a heritable trait, its a learned behavior. There are enough kids around needing homes and just waiting for the right parents to come along and give them the right sort of upbringing. No need to bring the "intelligent people go extinct" argument into play, and not only because it's bullshit.

Not that I'm mandating birth control or chastising expectant parents.

No, Kai, it's that filthy dirty smudgy people need to be tricked into sterilizing their mud selves.

 :lulz:
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on November 05, 2009, 02:03:28 am
And you were the one bitching about eugenics.   :lulz:

SMUDGY PEOPLES FROM UNFURNISHED COUNTRIES DESERVE TO BE STERILIZED!

 :lulz:
Somebody is confusing nature and nurture.

No no, don't waste your time trying to backpeddle out of that one. Concern for the size of the human population isn't a heritable trait, its a learned behavior. There are enough kids around needing homes and just waiting for the right parents to come along and give them the right sort of upbringing. No need to bring the "intelligent people go extinct" argument into play, and not only because it's bullshit.

Not that I'm mandating birth control or chastising expectant parents.

I tried to say things along these lines, but my brain got clogged with the stupid it tried to process in the meantime.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Kai on November 05, 2009, 02:05:17 am
Somebody is confusing nature and nurture.

No no, don't waste your time trying to backpeddle out of that one. Concern for the size of the human population isn't a heritable trait, its a learned behavior. There are enough kids around needing homes and just waiting for the right parents to come along and give them the right sort of upbringing. No need to bring the "intelligent people go extinct" argument into play, and not only because it's bullshit.

Not that I'm mandating birth control or chastising expectant parents.

No, Kai, it's that filthy dirty smudgy people need to be tricked into sterilizing their mud selves.

 :lulz:

You know, I only caught the eugenics argument when you pointed it out.  :lulz:
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Richter on November 05, 2009, 02:40:04 am
Many of you are so-called Discordians and SubGenii are probably still blundering and toiling under the  :fnord: Curse of Greyface* :evilmad: (adherence to or application of unnecessary and/or destructive order and control, see footnote) without even knowing it. Many you may think you have freed yourself from his curse, but most of you are WRONG, you poor deluded fools... He lurks where you least expect it! he bends the knees and crushes the mind yet none behold the hand that smites! Beware of destructive order! Fear Him!


:roflcake: All of the following are of the Curse of Greyface (although some may be unexpected),  
All of them Being either: Order imposed for no reason, or situations where chaos would work just as well (or better), Or else Order of an actually destructive nature:

•   Spaying or Neutering Your Pets− In fact, any attempt to control thepe population. They talk about how many unwanted animals ae euthanized in animal shelters each year, but that is a problem which arises not from animal population, but from attempts to control it. We could make the number of unwanted animals euthanized each year drop instantly to zero if we just shut down the animal shelters and admitted to ourselves that there is no more need to control the population of stray cats and dogs than there is to control the populations or squirrels or songbirds , nor is there any reason other than unmitigated hubris to believe that animals of any sort are or even could be significantly worse off without us in their lives.
•   Yardwork and Lawn Care− You probably spend a great deal of your time inside and most likely so do your neighbors. If you really have business just hanging around on your lawn all the time (or if your neighbors have business staring at it all hours of the day and night) instead of either doing something inside or else going somewhere more interesting than a stupid boring residential lawn (such as a public pool, or a video arcade, or a skate park, or (if you live near the seashore) the beach or the boardwalk, or a bowling alley, or the park) then by all means, keep your yard tidy, but if not, I really do not see what good it will do for you. Plus its bad for the environment, because not only do most lawnmowers have very low fuel−efficiency (and large "Carbon−Footprints" to use a hackneyed and banal popular cliché), and not only are chemical yard treatments bad for local wildlife (especially frogs and salamanders and other cute littkle amphibians), but also, cutting the grass reduces the grass's avaible photosynthetic surfaces, and that means less photosysnthesis and thus less carbon dioxide removed from the air and less oxygen given off
•   Trying To Help Control The Human Population by Not Reproducing− The fact of the matter is, that in the long run, all that this will accomplish is to reduce the overall occurrences of any genetic predisposition towards having a social conscience within the human gene pool. If you care enough about overpopulation to want to do something about it, then you should try to stop other people from reproducing.
•   Abortion− This is a clearly a form of destructive order. Furthermore, it lends itself to the advancement of eugenics−related ideas; Weeding out those who are "disordered" before they can even be born. While this may have some valid upshots it is stlll far, far worse than the alternative; I'd sooner see this species devolve into barely animate wads of slime than let its gene−pool be controlled by what the pinks and the mediocretin normals think is and isn't "Disordered"
•   Tidying the House− This is only a good thing to do if it actually makes things easier to use; If you've memorized and gotten used to your possessions locations where they are strewn about the house, and if the places where things are used are far from the places where they are stored, and if you can still move around the house, then the small aesthetic benefit gained from having a tidy home is probably (and in fact, almost definitely) far more trouble than its worth.


 :FFF:



*For those of you unfamiliar with the parable of Greyface and the/his curse, I will reiterate it here. Greyface, (whether or not he literally exists or not, doesn't matter) is a far more potent figure of negative slack than Satan or even NHGH and Hyper-NHGH, and it is important to know what he is and what you are up against:

   Thousands of years ago, a malcontented hunchbrain by the name of Greyface, got it into his head that the universe was as humorless as he, and he began to teach that play was sinful because it contradicted the ways of Serious Order. ``Look at all the order around you,'' he said. And from that, he deluded honest men to believe that reality was a straightjacket affair and not the happy romance as men had known it.
      It is not presently understood why men were so gullible at that particular time, for absolutely no one thought to observe all the disorder around them and conclude just the opposite. But anyway, Greyface and his followers took the game of playing at life more seriously than they took life itself and were known even to destroy other living beings whose ways of life differed from their own.
      The unfortunate result of this is that mankind has since been suffering from a psychological and spiritual imbalance. Imbalance causes frustration, and frustration causes fear. And fear makes for a bad trip. Man has been on a bad trip for a long time now.
      It is called THE CURSE OF GREYFACE.
      To choose order over disorder, or disorder over order, is to accept a trip composed of both the creative and the destructive. But to choose the creative over the destructive is an all-creative trip composed of both order and disorder. To accomplish this, one need only accept creative disorder along with, and equal to, creative order, and also willing to reject destructive order as an undesirable equal to destructive disorder.
      The Curse of Greyface included the division of life into order/disorder as the essential positive/negative polarity, instead of building a game foundation with creative/destructive as the essential positive/negative. He has thereby caused man to endure the destructive aspects of order and has prevented man from effectively participating in the creative uses of disorder. Civilization reflects this unfortunate division.
      POEE proclaims that the other division is preferable, and we work toward the proposition that creative disorder, like creative order, is possible and desirable; and that destructive order, like destructive disorder, is unnecessary and undesirable.
      Seek the Sacred Chao -- therein you will find the foolishness of all ORDER/DISORDER. They are the same!



HERESEY.

A fine an noble deed, to come before an assembled group, point out what actions they are taking which might indeed detract from the spirit of their beliefs.  When exactly did any of us, myself included, tell you EXACTLY what we believed?

With your execution, explaination, and stumbling exposition, however, you counsel only failure.

Primarily, your chosen central dichotomy of order / disorder breaks down before the very parable you site.  They are the same, by your own admission.  Therefore, what you call order, is NOT some grand, suppressive scheme, but simply Information.  Consider that word for a moment; information.  In - formation.  Facts, ideas, or forms arranged in a repeating, recognizable pattern.  Hardly a great greyface conspiracy, since it exists from certain subatomic structures, through vaster expressions of geometry (fractal, curved, and Euclidean) in nature, up through planetary and interstellar motions.  If you wish to be so tiresome as to label this a product of our teaching and upbringing, then kindly observe learning behaviors of wild animals.  

If you are opposed to information, patterns, or personally expressing them or attempting to alter states you otherwise consider "natural", then I invite you, in the name of Eris, to cease your patterns of eating or drinking.  Should you have the fortitude, breathing and heart rate are other options, but you may find them quite reflexive.    

Secondly, if your own take on Eris or Dobbs inspire you to breed recklessly around uncontrolled domesticates in an unmaintained house, then please do so downwind of me, and away from major population centers.  You'll have visitors eventually, but don't let the Dave Koresh tell you how to receive or entertain such guests.

The nihilists might take this better.  I have no time for people who purport to explain my own beliefs to me.

-In service,
              Inquisitor Richter

Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on November 05, 2009, 03:00:30 am

•   Trying To Help Control The Human Population by Not Reproducing

TRANSLATION:  There aren't enough people in the world.  Everywhere should be like China, with people shoulder to shoulder.

You missed my point on this one entirely.

I agree that there are too many people in the world, HOWEVER I am cognizant of the fact that the idea that people can supposedly solve the problem by choosing (for that specific reason) not to reproduce contains an INHERENT BIOLOGICAL FLAW. Physical traits are not the only type of traits that can be inherited, mental and emotional traits and dispositions can be inherited as well, and if everybody who was concerned about the size of the human population suddenly decided not to reproduce, then any heritable dispositions that could contribute to caring about the size of the human population would be significantly weakened in the human gene pool and, within a couple of generations, people would be even more predisposed to recklessly reproduce, and would quickly more than cancel out the dent put in the population by those who chose not to reproduce.

Personally, I believe that other methods are in order called for to control the world's human population. The same short-term benefits (but much less long-term negative impact) could be achieved without trying to regulate our own reproduction, by instead convincing the world's various governments to DE-REGULATE products and practices that cause infertility, that way the genes removed from the gene pool might actually be ones that deserve to be...

And you were the one bitching about eugenics.   :lulz:

SMUDGY PEOPLES FROM UNFURNISHED COUNTRIES DESERVE TO BE STERILIZED!

 :lulz:

Ok, two problems with this

1.) Who said anything about other countries? I'm talking about everywhere!...In fact, ESPECIALLY the USA! If we replaced all of our power plants with nuclear power plants we could eliminate our dependency on foreign and domestic oil.

2.) What I'm proposing is not eugenics because eugenics is a methodical and non-random, deliberate process (usually intended to warp future generations toward some cockeyed pink ideal of "Perfection"). Radiation and Thimerisol, on the other hand, don't know and don't care who the hell you are, where your family is from, or what your religion is.

Somebody is confusing nature and nurture.

Many traits contain an element of both. The 'either-or' dichotomy of "Nature Vs. Nurture" is largely discredited within the scientific community (or at least that's what all of my college professors and textbooks* told me).

To give an example, one can have a genetic predisposition towards alcoholism, but unless someone gives then the idea to take that first drink and get hooked that predisposition won't matter. Similarly, a person with no predisposition towards alcoholism

By the way, I am fully cognizant of the fact that the alcoholism is a completely different and much simpler trait than wanting to control the population, but this is proof of concept.

I do not personally know of any studies as to whether or not there is an element of heredity to concern about overpopulation, but if you can point me to one that addresses this issue, is peer reviewed, and has a reasonably large sample size then if it supports your view that there is no element of heredity to it, then I will retract my point. until then, my point stands.



*Well, at least all the ones that had reason to bring up the matter (that is to say, it didn't come up in Organic Chemistry or Calculus, but in the classes concerning human or higher mammal behavior it was made clear that Nature Versus Nurture was a flawed dichotomy).
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: the other anonymous on November 05, 2009, 03:10:01 am
If we replaced all of our power plants with nuclear power plants we could eliminate our dependency on foreign and domestic oil.

Two words: Waste disposal.

Two more words: Foreign soiled.

2.) What I'm proposing is not eugenics because eugenics is a methodical and non-random, deliberate process (usually intended to warp future generations toward some cockeyed pink ideal of "Perfection"). Radiation and Thimerisol, on the other hand, don't know and don't care who the hell you are, where your family is from, or what your religion is.

I happen to support eugenics... but only if I get to decide who lives and dies. :evil:

As for nature v. nurture, I posit that we're all big bags of chemicals, free will is an illusion, and thus nurture is a product of nature. I also posit that reality is subjective and what we consider nature is an illusion created by how we were nurtured.

-toa,
just having fun
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: on November 05, 2009, 03:13:32 am
I never thought somebody would go so far as to suggest that tidying ones house is a bad thing.
This, alone, is truly retarded.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: The Wizard on November 05, 2009, 03:23:44 am
Shandor, really? Even if you're arguments were well thought and made sense, don't go preaching them like an asshole. By doing so, you're just proving that you completely missed the point of a lot of this shit.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Kai on November 05, 2009, 03:24:03 am
2.) What I'm proposing is not eugenics because eugenics is a methodical and non-random, deliberate process (usually intended to warp future generations toward some cockeyed pink ideal of "Perfection"). Radiation and Thimerisol, on the other hand, don't know and don't care who the hell you are, where your family is from, or what your religion is.

I happen to support eugenics... but only if I get to decide who lives and dies. :evil:

As for nature v. nurture, I posit that we're all big bags of chemicals, free will is an illusion, and thus nurture is a product of nature. I also posit that reality is subjective and what we consider nature is an illusion created by how we were nurtured.

-toa,
just having fun

I think you're both retarded. No kids for you!
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 05, 2009, 03:25:32 am
Shandor should be the FIRST to be sterilized.  Stupidity such as this should only happen once.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 05, 2009, 03:26:18 am
1.) Who said anything about other countries? I'm talking about everywhere!...In fact, ESPECIALLY the USA!

Great.  Lead by example.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Rumckle on November 05, 2009, 03:26:43 am
 :lulz: :lulz:
THIS IS BRILLIANT.

Clearly PDS you should start, and tell us how it works out for you. I'm a scientist dammit, and I want some evidence that a larger study will be worth my time and resources.


I think you're both retarded. No kids for you!

 :lulz:
I vote Kai gets to decide how this eugenics thing shall work.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on November 05, 2009, 03:42:06 am
Quote
•   Tidying the House− This is only a good thing to do if it actually makes things easier to use; If you've memorized and gotten used to your possessions locations where they are strewn about the house, and if the places where things are used are far from the places where they are stored, and if you can still move around the house, then the small aesthetic benefit gained from having a tidy home is probably (and in fact, almost definitely) far more trouble than its worth.

I'm glad you've come up with a philosophical way to justify letting your domicile be sloppy. Now shut the fuck up and stop telling people what's right and what's wrong about the way they live. Some people are simply uncomfortable in messy homes; but of course people with OCD or a predisposition towards neatness aren't really people, what am I thinking?

I didn't say that neatness was wrong, I said that the belief that neatness* is important is wrong.

As for OCD, I myself actually HAVE obsessive-compulsive disorder, and my experiance with it in fact is in large part what led me to the belief that tidiness and aesthetic concerns are insane. I came to the realization that concerns about appearance, other than as it relates to function (and especially if they are contrary to what is functional) is no different to my need to flick the lights on and off four times before finally turning them on or my need to always have the edges of all stacked objects (escpecially books) be perfectly paralell*** also, I don't like to erase things (Even when I'm typing online, a lot of the time I'll just use the "strikethru" tag instead of deleting something that I've written); It serves no purpose, it merely fulfills a useless urge that does nothing for us except make us feel mildly uncomfortable if it is left unfulfilled.

Just because more conventional aesthetic concerns are more common it doesn't make them any less insane. The only difference with more popular inclination is that in this case the inmates are running the asylum. And I don't think that its right for one group of inmates to pick on the rest of the inmates...





* And let me make it clear that I am talking here specifically about "Neatness" and "Tidiness" here, in the sense of "A place for everything and everything in its place" (and of worrying about creating positive aesthetic appeal in one's house), that is the rationale that I am attacking.
I AM NOT however, attacking "cleanliness" in the sense of not having dirt and old rotting food everywhere creating an actual health hazard; I fully understand and acknowledge the purpose of that**.

** Provided that you don't go overboard and give yourself worse health problems from inhaling bleach fumes than you would have gotten from whatever you just cleaned up. That isn't something that is likely to happen of course, but when I notice this kind of unlikely exception I never feel right unless I point it out.

***(both with each other, as well as with whatever table they are on (if any****) and with the wall of the room (the table usually takes precedence if it, itself, is not aligned with the wall (which is a situation that, itself, will drive me crazy if its on a day when the pharmacy has kept me waiting on a refill of my medication)))

**** Often I stuff in my bedroom is stacked on the floor
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on November 05, 2009, 03:44:11 am
Quote
•   Tidying the House− This is only a good thing to do if it actually makes things easier to use; If you've memorized and gotten used to your possessions locations where they are strewn about the house, and if the places where things are used are far from the places where they are stored, and if you can still move around the house, then the small aesthetic benefit gained from having a tidy home is probably (and in fact, almost definitely) far more trouble than its worth.

I'm glad you've come up with a philosophical way to justify letting your domicile be sloppy. Now shut the fuck up and stop telling people what's right and what's wrong about the way they live. Some people are simply uncomfortable in messy homes; but of course people with OCD or a predisposition towards neatness aren't really people, what am I thinking?

I didn't say that neatness was wrong, I said that the belief that neatness* is important is wrong.

No, you didn't. Maybe that's what you meant, but it's not what you said.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 05, 2009, 03:46:36 am
(http://www.freedomsledder.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/backpedal.gif)
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on November 05, 2009, 03:52:57 am
*For those of you unfamiliar with the parable of Greyface and the/his curse, I will reiterate it here.

Translation:  Nobody here has read the PD or RAW, and if you were, you were too stupid to understand it.  Our new guru will explain it to you.  Slowly.  In small words.

This essay was originally written for a larger publication that was posted on a different website which focused more on the SubGenius than the Discordian end of things. Just as on this site all of you have read the Principia Discordia but a couple have not read the Book of the SubGenius (or at least may not be intimately familiar with it), so too I made an allowance for people on the original site who had read the Book of the SubGenius but were not necessarily intimately familiar with the Principia Discordia...
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: The Johnny on November 05, 2009, 03:53:03 am
Maybe you could try re-writing it for the purpose of clearness of terms and definitions?

Because if you admit that your terms are murky, then the attacks are based on "misunderstandings" which you should correct.

Edit: Maybe its not an enough incentive, but id comment it with as much seriousness as i could muster.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: the other anonymous on November 05, 2009, 03:59:19 am
*For those of you unfamiliar with the parable of Greyface and the/his curse, I will reiterate it here.

Translation:  Nobody here has read the PD or RAW, and if you were, you were too stupid to understand it.  Our new guru will explain it to you.  Slowly.  In small words.

This essay was originally written for a larger publication that was posted on a different website which focused more on the SubGenius than the Discordian end of things. Just as on this site all of you have read the Principia Discordia but a couple have not read the Book of the SubGenius (or at least may not be intimately familiar with it), so too I made an allowance for people on the original site who had read the Book of the SubGenius but were not necessarily intimately familiar with the Principia Discordia...

And everybody here disagrees with it! How... representative!

-toa,
with pr firms like these...
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: President Television on November 05, 2009, 04:02:38 am
(http://www.freedomsledder.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/backpedal.gif)

The physical mechanics of that emoticon boggle the mind.
No, wait, I see it now. That's rather strange.

ANYWAY, I must object to the notion that Discordianism dictates that one should live one's life in as messy of a condition as possible. No, I am not the neatest or most organized person in the world, and I do personally prefer a relaxed take on the subject of tidiness, but it does have its uses. I must protest your rejection of abortion, as well. I don't consider it to be particularly moral myself, but I'm a firm believer that the decision of abortion should be placed squarely on the mother. I don't think the morality of a complex issue like abortion can or should be decided from an abstract stance, especially by somebody who will never be in the position of having to make that choice(I'm assuming you're a guy- sue me).
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 05, 2009, 04:11:37 am
*For those of you unfamiliar with the parable of Greyface and the/his curse, I will reiterate it here.

Translation:  Nobody here has read the PD or RAW, and if you were, you were too stupid to understand it.  Our new guru will explain it to you.  Slowly.  In small words.

This essay was originally written for a larger publication that was posted on a different website which focused more on the SubGenius than the Discordian end of things. Just as on this site all of you have read the Principia Discordia but a couple have not read the Book of the SubGenius (or at least may not be intimately familiar with it), so too I made an allowance for people on the original site who had read the Book of the SubGenius but were not necessarily intimately familiar with the Principia Discordia...

Yeah?  Link?

And you said MOST of us.  MOST.  Not SOME.  Not a COUPLE.  MOST.

Dude, you even used the "teacher" emote with a straight face.  :lulz:

You're a dumbshit, and all the backpedaling in the world won't change that.


Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 05, 2009, 04:14:01 am
I don't think he was saying that abortion should be outlawed. In fact, I know he wasn't.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 05, 2009, 04:14:33 am
Maybe you could try re-writing it for the purpose of clearness of terms and definitions?

Because if you admit that your terms are murky, then the attacks are based on "misunderstandings" which you should correct.


Horseshit.  He proudly stepped to the podium, opened his mouth, and started trying to swallow his foot.

Now he's backpedaling like a BIG FUCKING PUSSY, instead of just apologizing for the blanket insult, and then being smart and letting the series of farts that his OP consists of sort of drift down the page.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 05, 2009, 04:15:02 am
I also have learned that my occasional impulse to defend someone whose ideas are being (mostly deliberately) misinterpreted always ends up in tears, so I'll stop now.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 05, 2009, 04:16:54 am
I also have learned that my occasional impulse to defend someone whose ideas are being (mostly deliberately) misinterpreted always ends up in tears, so I'll stop now.
Redacted.  Same old tired shit, 2 years later.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: President Television on November 05, 2009, 04:33:59 am
I don't think he was saying that abortion should be outlawed. In fact, I know he wasn't.

No, but I don't think abortion is as simple as yes or no from an abstract position, even if you're not talking about outlawing it.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Triple Zero on November 05, 2009, 01:20:16 pm
•   Spaying or Neutering Your Pets− In fact, any attempt to control thepe population.

Translation:  The world needs more mammals.

on my holiday in Turkey a lot of stray kittens were around the hotel. they were very cute but they also had fleas. next year they were all gone btw. but srsly, diseases and LOADS OF CATS ALL OVER THE PLACE is bad y0.

I dunno if the same would happen with dogs btw? They don't multiply as much when they go stray, or something? Or maybe I just haven't been to a place where it happened.

Quote
•   Tidying the House− This is only a good thing to do if it actually makes things easier to use; If you've memorized and gotten used to your possessions locations where they are strewn about the house, and if the places where things are used are far from the places where they are stored, and if you can still move around the house, then the small aesthetic benefit gained from having a tidy home is probably (and in fact, almost definitely) far more trouble than its worth.

Translation:  Live in a pigsty, that never causes fire or trip hazards.  Or disease.

QFT. I'm pretty sure my house burning down would not have happened if my flatmate's room had not been a garbage belt filled with crap, leftovers, paper, wrappings and packaging just waiting to accidentally catch on fire one day.

Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: LMNO on November 05, 2009, 01:50:53 pm
I'm against realness. I'mma gonna start the Unreally Unreal Discordians for Unrealness (Unreally!) Club.

 :hashishim:


Also Shandor, if you are planning on publishing this somewhere in the outside world, could you please remove all the direct references to "Discordianism"?  I'd rather not be associated with your belief system.

Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Vaudeville Vigilante on November 05, 2009, 04:59:00 pm
Too often, people mistake being a Subgenius with having some sort of increased "intelligence."  This is a profound mistake.
As Rev. Stang said sometime recently, “The Conspiracy has mis-defined intelligence.  What counts is sense!  Sexual sense! Common sense! Sense of humor!  “Bob” is not smart.  What he is, is lucky!  “Bob” can be magic and you can't, because he doesn't know any better.  He walks the path of least resistance, and that is his path to Slack.  Slack is indefinable.  I can't tell you what Slack is, because only you know what Slack is to you.”
Stang, Ivan., prod. “#1224.”  Hour of Slack. Church of the SubGenius Radio Ministry. Fall 2009. Subgenius.com Subsite Radio. Web. 7 Oct. 2009. <http://subgenius.com/ts/hos.html>

So, you might stop trying to pin it down for everyone else.   :wink:
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: LMNO on November 05, 2009, 05:01:45 pm
Yeah, but Stang can lick my bunghole, too.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 05, 2009, 05:29:43 pm
Too often, people mistake being a Subgenius with having some sort of increased "intelligence."  This is a profound mistake.
As Rev. Stang said sometime recently, “The Conspiracy has mis-defined intelligence.  What counts is sense!  Sexual sense! Common sense! Sense of humor!  “Bob” is not smart.  What he is, is lucky!  “Bob” can be magic and you can't, because he doesn't know any better.  He walks the path of least resistance, and that is his path to Slack.  Slack is indefinable.  I can't tell you what Slack is, because only you know what Slack is to you.”
Stang, Ivan., prod. “#1224.”  Hour of Slack. Church of the SubGenius Radio Ministry. Fall 2009. Subgenius.com Subsite Radio. Web. 7 Oct. 2009. <http://subgenius.com/ts/hos.html>

So, you might stop trying to pin it down for everyone else.   :wink:

Stang is a prize ass, and he regurgitated that from something he wrote in 1981.  Hell, even his new book contains nothing newer than 1994.  He and Phil Drummond and Ken DeVries had a great idea, but they ran out of juice.  They haven't done anything new since just after Clinton took office, and they actively slap down anyone who DOES try anything new on their newsgroup...except for DeVries (Nenslo), who tries to encourage it, when he isn't being bombarded by stalkers.

That's why it's so fortunate that the Church doesn't actually require any of them to function.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Vaudeville Vigilante on November 05, 2009, 06:06:13 pm
Too often, people mistake being a Subgenius with having some sort of increased "intelligence."  This is a profound mistake.
As Rev. Stang said sometime recently, “The Conspiracy has mis-defined intelligence.  What counts is sense!  Sexual sense! Common sense! Sense of humor!  “Bob” is not smart.  What he is, is lucky!  “Bob” can be magic and you can't, because he doesn't know any better.  He walks the path of least resistance, and that is his path to Slack.  Slack is indefinable.  I can't tell you what Slack is, because only you know what Slack is to you.”
Stang, Ivan., prod. “#1224.”  Hour of Slack. Church of the SubGenius Radio Ministry. Fall 2009. Subgenius.com Subsite Radio. Web. 7 Oct. 2009. <http://subgenius.com/ts/hos.html>

So, you might stop trying to pin it down for everyone else.   :wink:

Stang is a prize ass, and he regurgitated that from something he wrote in 1981.  Hell, even his new book contains nothing newer than 1994.  He and Phil Drummond and Ken DeVries had a great idea, but they ran out of juice.  They haven't done anything new since just after Clinton took office, and they actively slap down anyone who DOES try anything new on their newsgroup...except for DeVries (Nenslo), who tries to encourage it, when he isn't being bombarded by stalkers.

That's why it's so fortunate that the Church doesn't actually require any of them to function.
All the same, the point he was making is still a valid one, which is why I referred to it. 
I did not refer to it in order to put Stang up on some huge pedestal, I don't care for Stang anymore than I care about "Bob", which is to say, anymore than either of them care about me.  However, I still find a lot of usefulness in Stang's work, rehashed or otherwise, and I do not refrain from applying it to appropriate situations.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Jenne on November 05, 2009, 07:55:35 pm
Go to Mexico--see all you hold above to be "work of the Greyface" turned on its ear, and you'll see that what you're really talking about is just ANOTHER kind of Greyface.  That of not giving a shit about anything or anyone.

Mexico whut?

Yup.  I live in San Diego, I know TJ well.  Nuff said.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 05, 2009, 08:02:00 pm
Too often, people mistake being a Subgenius with having some sort of increased "intelligence."  This is a profound mistake.
As Rev. Stang said sometime recently, “The Conspiracy has mis-defined intelligence.  What counts is sense!  Sexual sense! Common sense! Sense of humor!  “Bob” is not smart.  What he is, is lucky!  “Bob” can be magic and you can't, because he doesn't know any better.  He walks the path of least resistance, and that is his path to Slack.  Slack is indefinable.  I can't tell you what Slack is, because only you know what Slack is to you.”
Stang, Ivan., prod. “#1224.”  Hour of Slack. Church of the SubGenius Radio Ministry. Fall 2009. Subgenius.com Subsite Radio. Web. 7 Oct. 2009. <http://subgenius.com/ts/hos.html>

So, you might stop trying to pin it down for everyone else.   :wink:

Stang is a prize ass, and he regurgitated that from something he wrote in 1981.  Hell, even his new book contains nothing newer than 1994.  He and Phil Drummond and Ken DeVries had a great idea, but they ran out of juice.  They haven't done anything new since just after Clinton took office, and they actively slap down anyone who DOES try anything new on their newsgroup...except for DeVries (Nenslo), who tries to encourage it, when he isn't being bombarded by stalkers.

That's why it's so fortunate that the Church doesn't actually require any of them to function.
All the same, the point he was making is still a valid one, which is why I referred to it. 
I did not refer to it in order to put Stang up on some huge pedestal, I don't care for Stang anymore than I care about "Bob", which is to say, anymore than either of them care about me.  However, I still find a lot of usefulness in Stang's work, rehashed or otherwise, and I do not refrain from applying it to appropriate situations.

It's also information everyone here already has.

Just saying.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: LMNO on November 05, 2009, 08:03:39 pm
Sombunall of us, anyway.





:runs away:
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 05, 2009, 08:05:40 pm
Sombunall of us, anyway.





:runs away:

:crankey:
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: LMNO on November 05, 2009, 08:07:10 pm
Shit.  Now it's gonna rain for the next 23* days.



















*OMGPINIALFNORD
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 05, 2009, 08:08:17 pm
Shit.  Now it's gonna rain for the next 23* days.



















*OMGPINIALFNORD

No crops for you, spag.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on November 05, 2009, 08:43:33 pm
Shit.  Now it's gonna rain for the next 23* days.



















*OMGPINIALFNORD

I just got through torrential rains for days on end and we still have flooding and my favorite casino on the river is closed and there is nowhere to play penny slots and get 50 cent drinks until it re-opens.  If it starts rainging again because of you LMNO..........   :argh!:
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: LMNO on November 05, 2009, 08:47:23 pm
If you're nice, he may skip St Louis.













...I'm hoping I got yr city right.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 06, 2009, 02:33:31 am
This was possibly the stupidest thing I've ever seen written here.


Many of you are so-called Discordians and SubGenii are probably still blundering and toiling under the  :fnord: Curse of Greyface* :evilmad: (adherence to or application of unnecessary and/or destructive order and control, see footnote) without even knowing it. Many you may think you have freed yourself from his curse, but most of you are WRONG, you poor deluded fools... He lurks where you least expect it! he bends the knees and crushes the mind yet none behold the hand that smites! Beware of destructive order! Fear Him!


:roflcake: All of the following are of the Curse of Greyface (although some may be unexpected),  
All of them Being either: Order imposed for no reason, or situations where chaos would work just as well (or better), Or else Order of an actually destructive nature:

•   Spaying or Neutering Your Pets− In fact, any attempt to control thepe population. They talk about how many unwanted animals ae euthanized in animal shelters each year, but that is a problem which arises not from animal population, but from attempts to control it. We could make the number of unwanted animals euthanized each year drop instantly to zero if we just shut down the animal shelters and admitted to ourselves that there is no more need to control the population of stray cats and dogs than there is to control the populations or squirrels or songbirds , nor is there any reason other than unmitigated hubris to believe that animals of any sort are or even could be significantly worse off without us in their lives.
•   Yardwork and Lawn Care− You probably spend a great deal of your time inside and most likely so do your neighbors. If you really have business just hanging around on your lawn all the time (or if your neighbors have business staring at it all hours of the day and night) instead of either doing something inside or else going somewhere more interesting than a stupid boring residential lawn (such as a public pool, or a video arcade, or a skate park, or (if you live near the seashore) the beach or the boardwalk, or a bowling alley, or the park) then by all means, keep your yard tidy, but if not, I really do not see what good it will do for you. Plus its bad for the environment, because not only do most lawnmowers have very low fuel−efficiency (and large "Carbon−Footprints" to use a hackneyed and banal popular cliché), and not only are chemical yard treatments bad for local wildlife (especially frogs and salamanders and other cute littkle amphibians), but also, cutting the grass reduces the grass's avaible photosynthetic surfaces, and that means less photosysnthesis and thus less carbon dioxide removed from the air and less oxygen given off
•   Trying To Help Control The Human Population by Not Reproducing− The fact of the matter is, that in the long run, all that this will accomplish is to reduce the overall occurrences of any genetic predisposition towards having a social conscience within the human gene pool. If you care enough about overpopulation to want to do something about it, then you should try to stop other people from reproducing.
•   Abortion− This is a clearly a form of destructive order. Furthermore, it lends itself to the advancement of eugenics−related ideas; Weeding out those who are "disordered" before they can even be born. While this may have some valid upshots it is stlll far, far worse than the alternative; I'd sooner see this species devolve into barely animate wads of slime than let its gene−pool be controlled by what the pinks and the mediocretin normals think is and isn't "Disordered"
•   Tidying the House− This is only a good thing to do if it actually makes things easier to use; If you've memorized and gotten used to your possessions locations where they are strewn about the house, and if the places where things are used are far from the places where they are stored, and if you can still move around the house, then the small aesthetic benefit gained from having a tidy home is probably (and in fact, almost definitely) far more trouble than its worth.


 :FFF:



*For those of you unfamiliar with the parable of Greyface and the/his curse, I will reiterate it here. Greyface, (whether or not he literally exists or not, doesn't matter) is a far more potent figure of negative slack than Satan or even NHGH and Hyper-NHGH, and it is important to know what he is and what you are up against:

   Thousands of years ago, a malcontented hunchbrain by the name of Greyface, got it into his head that the universe was as humorless as he, and he began to teach that play was sinful because it contradicted the ways of Serious Order. ``Look at all the order around you,'' he said. And from that, he deluded honest men to believe that reality was a straightjacket affair and not the happy romance as men had known it.
      It is not presently understood why men were so gullible at that particular time, for absolutely no one thought to observe all the disorder around them and conclude just the opposite. But anyway, Greyface and his followers took the game of playing at life more seriously than they took life itself and were known even to destroy other living beings whose ways of life differed from their own.
      The unfortunate result of this is that mankind has since been suffering from a psychological and spiritual imbalance. Imbalance causes frustration, and frustration causes fear. And fear makes for a bad trip. Man has been on a bad trip for a long time now.
      It is called THE CURSE OF GREYFACE.
      To choose order over disorder, or disorder over order, is to accept a trip composed of both the creative and the destructive. But to choose the creative over the destructive is an all-creative trip composed of both order and disorder. To accomplish this, one need only accept creative disorder along with, and equal to, creative order, and also willing to reject destructive order as an undesirable equal to destructive disorder.
      The Curse of Greyface included the division of life into order/disorder as the essential positive/negative polarity, instead of building a game foundation with creative/destructive as the essential positive/negative. He has thereby caused man to endure the destructive aspects of order and has prevented man from effectively participating in the creative uses of disorder. Civilization reflects this unfortunate division.
      POEE proclaims that the other division is preferable, and we work toward the proposition that creative disorder, like creative order, is possible and desirable; and that destructive order, like destructive disorder, is unnecessary and undesirable.
      Seek the Sacred Chao -- therein you will find the foolishness of all ORDER/DISORDER. They are the same!

Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 06, 2009, 02:37:21 am
I'm against realness. I'mma gonna start the Unreally Unreal Discordians for Unrealness (Unreally!) Club.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Shit on November 06, 2009, 02:43:54 am
Many of you are so-called Discordians and SubGenii are probably still blundering and toiling under the  :fnord: Curse of Greyface* :evilmad: (adherence to or application of unnecessary and/or destructive order and control, see footnote) without even knowing it. Many you may think you have freed yourself from his curse, but most of you are WRONG, you poor deluded fools... He lurks where you least expect it! he bends the knees and crushes the mind yet none behold the hand that smites! Beware of destructive order! Fear Him!


:roflcake: All of the following are of the Curse of Greyface (although some may be unexpected),  
All of them Being either: Order imposed for no reason, or situations where chaos would work just as well (or better), Or else Order of an actually destructive nature:

•   Spaying or Neutering Your Pets− In fact, any attempt to control thepe population. They talk about how many unwanted animals ae euthanized in animal shelters each year, but that is a problem which arises not from animal population, but from attempts to control it. We could make the number of unwanted animals euthanized each year drop instantly to zero if we just shut down the animal shelters and admitted to ourselves that there is no more need to control the population of stray cats and dogs than there is to control the populations or squirrels or songbirds , nor is there any reason other than unmitigated hubris to believe that animals of any sort are or even could be significantly worse off without us in their lives.
•   Yardwork and Lawn Care− You probably spend a great deal of your time inside and most likely so do your neighbors. If you really have business just hanging around on your lawn all the time (or if your neighbors have business staring at it all hours of the day and night) instead of either doing something inside or else going somewhere more interesting than a stupid boring residential lawn (such as a public pool, or a video arcade, or a skate park, or (if you live near the seashore) the beach or the boardwalk, or a bowling alley, or the park) then by all means, keep your yard tidy, but if not, I really do not see what good it will do for you. Plus its bad for the environment, because not only do most lawnmowers have very low fuel−efficiency (and large "Carbon−Footprints" to use a hackneyed and banal popular cliché), and not only are chemical yard treatments bad for local wildlife (especially frogs and salamanders and other cute littkle amphibians), but also, cutting the grass reduces the grass's avaible photosynthetic surfaces, and that means less photosysnthesis and thus less carbon dioxide removed from the air and less oxygen given off
•   Trying To Help Control The Human Population by Not Reproducing− The fact of the matter is, that in the long run, all that this will accomplish is to reduce the overall occurrences of any genetic predisposition towards having a social conscience within the human gene pool. If you care enough about overpopulation to want to do something about it, then you should try to stop other people from reproducing.
•   Abortion− This is a clearly a form of destructive order. Furthermore, it lends itself to the advancement of eugenics−related ideas; Weeding out those who are "disordered" before they can even be born. While this may have some valid upshots it is stlll far, far worse than the alternative; I'd sooner see this species devolve into barely animate wads of slime than let its gene−pool be controlled by what the pinks and the mediocretin normals think is and isn't "Disordered"
•   Tidying the House− This is only a good thing to do if it actually makes things easier to use; If you've memorized and gotten used to your possessions locations where they are strewn about the house, and if the places where things are used are far from the places where they are stored, and if you can still move around the house, then the small aesthetic benefit gained from having a tidy home is probably (and in fact, almost definitely) far more trouble than its worth.


 :FFF:



*For those of you unfamiliar with the parable of Greyface and the/his curse, I will reiterate it here. Greyface, (whether or not he literally exists or not, doesn't matter) is a far more potent figure of negative slack than Satan or even NHGH and Hyper-NHGH, and it is important to know what he is and what you are up against:

   Thousands of years ago, a malcontented hunchbrain by the name of Greyface, got it into his head that the universe was as humorless as he, and he began to teach that play was sinful because it contradicted the ways of Serious Order. ``Look at all the order around you,'' he said. And from that, he deluded honest men to believe that reality was a straightjacket affair and not the happy romance as men had known it.
      It is not presently understood why men were so gullible at that particular time, for absolutely no one thought to observe all the disorder around them and conclude just the opposite. But anyway, Greyface and his followers took the game of playing at life more seriously than they took life itself and were known even to destroy other living beings whose ways of life differed from their own.
      The unfortunate result of this is that mankind has since been suffering from a psychological and spiritual imbalance. Imbalance causes frustration, and frustration causes fear. And fear makes for a bad trip. Man has been on a bad trip for a long time now.
      It is called THE CURSE OF GREYFACE.
      To choose order over disorder, or disorder over order, is to accept a trip composed of both the creative and the destructive. But to choose the creative over the destructive is an all-creative trip composed of both order and disorder. To accomplish this, one need only accept creative disorder along with, and equal to, creative order, and also willing to reject destructive order as an undesirable equal to destructive disorder.
      The Curse of Greyface included the division of life into order/disorder as the essential positive/negative polarity, instead of building a game foundation with creative/destructive as the essential positive/negative. He has thereby caused man to endure the destructive aspects of order and has prevented man from effectively participating in the creative uses of disorder. Civilization reflects this unfortunate division.
      POEE proclaims that the other division is preferable, and we work toward the proposition that creative disorder, like creative order, is possible and desirable; and that destructive order, like destructive disorder, is unnecessary and undesirable.
      Seek the Sacred Chao -- therein you will find the foolishness of all ORDER/DISORDER. They are the same!


These aren't very well-thought-out ideas.  You need to take it to the next level.  Burn your clothes.  Burn your house down.  For God's sake, fry your computer.  Then go live in the jungle.  All of ye.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: the other anonymous on November 06, 2009, 02:46:42 am
These aren't very well-thought-out ideas.  You need to take it to the next level.  Burn your clothes.  Burn your house down.  For God's sake, fry your computer.  Then go live in the jungle.  All of ye.

Then burn the jungle down! Then move to the desert. Then burn the desert down! Then move to the moon! Then burn the secret base on the far side of the moon down! Then move to yourself! Then burn yourself down! Then....

Then nothing, I guess.

-toa,
arson!
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Golden Applesauce on November 06, 2009, 02:55:08 am
These aren't very well-thought-out ideas.  You need to take it to the next level.  Burn your clothes.  Burn your house down.  For God's sake, fry your computer.  Then go live in the jungle.  All of ye.

Then burn the jungle down! Then move to the desert. Then burn the desert down! Then move to the moon! Then burn the secret base on the far side of the moon down! Then move to yourself! Then burn yourself down! Then....

Then nothing, I guess.

-toa,
arson!

It's true.  For increase in disorder and entropy, you really can't beat combustion.

You know all those rules like "Don't play with fire" "Make sure you dig a fire pit first" "Don't have a bonfire near lots of dry leaves" "Keep a fire extinguisher nearby" "You really don't need an accelerant" "Model rockets should be kept away from open flames" and stuff?  Grayface (Greyface?), all of it.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 06, 2009, 03:48:00 am

And you were the one bitching about eugenics.   :lulz:

SMUDGY PEOPLES FROM UNFURNISHED COUNTRIES DESERVE TO BE STERILIZED!

 :lulz:
1.) Who said anything about other countries? I'm talking about everywhere!...In fact, ESPECIALLY the USA!

 :lulz:
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 06, 2009, 03:55:03 am
As for OCD, I myself actually HAVE obsessive-compulsive disorder, and my experiance with it in fact is in large part what led me to the belief that tidiness and aesthetic concerns are insane. I came to the realization that concerns about appearance, other than as it relates to function (and especially if they are contrary to what is functional) is no different to my need to flick the lights on and off four times before finally turning them on or my need to always have the edges of all stacked objects (escpecially books) be perfectly paralell*** also, I don't like to erase things (Even when I'm typing online, a lot of the time I'll just use the "strikethru" tag instead of deleting something that I've written); It serves no purpose, it merely fulfills a useless urge that does nothing for us except make us feel mildly uncomfortable if it is left unfulfilled.

Just because more conventional aesthetic concerns are more common it doesn't make them any less insane. The only difference with more popular inclination is that in this case the inmates are running the asylum. And I don't think that its right for one group of inmates to pick on the rest of the inmates...


Oh, oh, oh, "myself", do you really? Because I "myself" actually ALSO HAVE obsessive-compulsive disorder, and I think you are a self-justifying moron.

Keeping things tidy has several real, tangible benefits, probably the most survival-oriented being the ability to quickly find any needed possession. That makes it not "insane". Obsessive tidiness might be insane, but most obsessions are.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: President Television on November 06, 2009, 04:50:41 am
Really, I'd say something pointing out the stupidity and pretentiousness of the OP, but it would be redundant at this point. Do you gas threads around these parts?
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Shit on November 06, 2009, 05:05:33 am
Really, I'd say something pointing out the stupidity and pretentiousness of the OP, but it would be redundant at this point. Do you gas threads around these parts?
Gas, burn, and BBQ.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Nast on November 06, 2009, 05:37:17 am
Oh my God, how did I miss this OP?

It's just so...DUMB.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Chief Uwachiquen on November 06, 2009, 07:43:40 am
Really, I'd say something pointing out the stupidity and pretentiousness of the OP, but it would be redundant at this point. Do you gas threads around these parts?
Gas, burn, and BBQ.

Damn it! Now I want ribs. :argh!:

 I suppose if there was another heading in that paper it'd involve working and paying the bills being bad.

You crit logic for ninety billion. Logic dies. Good game.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Lies on November 06, 2009, 08:40:34 am
If OP is trying to troll us, congratulations, you just won.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Nast on November 06, 2009, 08:53:05 am
If OP is trying to troll us, congratulations, you just won.

No, everyone loses.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: LMNO on November 06, 2009, 02:03:37 pm
This was possibly the stupidest thing I've ever seen written here.

Do a search for "Cat~Maxwell".
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 06, 2009, 04:33:23 pm
This was possibly the stupidest thing I've ever seen written here.

Do a search for "Cat~Maxwell".

Fucking hell.  :x
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: LMNO on November 06, 2009, 04:35:42 pm
:ECH:
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Vaudeville Vigilante on November 06, 2009, 05:58:56 pm
It's also information everyone here already has.

Just saying.
I don't compulsively quote Stang or anything, so I shouldn't bore you too badly with redundant shit. 
It was actually the op I was addressing, who seemed intent to tell us all how to find Slack, or avoid the Greyface Curse or whatever.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 06, 2009, 06:00:36 pm
It's also information everyone here already has.

Just saying.
I don't compulsively quote Stang or anything, so I shouldn't bore you too badly with redundant shit. 
It was actually the op I was addressing, who seemed intent to tell us all how to find Slack, or avoid the Greyface Curse or whatever.


Oh, okay.

But sometimes it's okay to just sit back and watch the avalanche of fail take out a village or three, downslope.

Just saying.
Title: Re: GREYFACE LIVES! (And not where you think!)
Post by: Chairman Risus on November 09, 2009, 04:47:34 pm

Then burn the jungle down! Then move to the desert. Then burn the desert down! Then move to the moon! Then burn the secret base on the far side of the moon down! Then move to yourself! Then burn yourself down! Then....

Then nothing, I guess.

-toa,
arson!

For some reason I really like this.