Principia Discordia

Principia Discordia => Principia Discussion => Topic started by: Cramulus on February 04, 2010, 01:44:08 am

Title: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Cramulus on February 04, 2010, 01:44:08 am
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb163/wompcabal/23aesigterrible_2.jpg)

This thread was inspired by 000:

tip: start a new thread in this subforum where you post links+extracts to new 23AE entries, kind of like Kai's science thread.


Featured Right now:

The Parable of the Gong (http://23ae.com/2010/02/165/), by yours truly

exerpt:

Quote
“My wise friend Nopants, I have come to ask you a question,” said Golden Rod, “What is Bureaucracy?”

“In India,” said Nopants, “they tie elephants to trees using thin cords. An elephant could easily snap the cord, yet they remain tethered in place. Why do you think this is?”

Golden Rod itched himself and shrugged.

“When the elephant is young,” intoned Nopants, “she is too weak to break the cord. She tries, but eventually she gives up. When the elephant grows up, she does not try to escape her puny bonds because she believes she will fail.”

“So the cord isn’t the thing keeping the elephant in place,” said Golden Rod. He squinted at Nopants, “That’s very interesting, but what does that have to do with Bureaucracy?”

“Bureaucracy,” said Nopants, “is waiting for a red traffic light in the middle of the night when no one is coming.”

Across space and time, a gong sounded.
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Cramulus on February 04, 2010, 04:12:42 pm
On Thursdays, we've been publishing excerpts from the Black Iron Prison. Today's:

Being Free

http://23ae.com/2010/02/bip-being-free/

Quote
And that’s exactly how We want it! Tired little sheep kept running by the faithful hounds all day long until they are too tired and submit, they break. Who are We? Nowadays, practically everyone…your boss, your leaders, the media at large, the people responsible for American Idol/X-Factor/fill-in-pointless waste of music reality-TV program here….a huge faceless confederacy constantly trying to sway you this way and that, turn you into a follower of anything.
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Cramulus on February 05, 2010, 03:57:51 pm
A literary deconstruction of the Principia Discordia

http://23ae.com/2010/02/a-literary-deconstruction-of-the-principia-discordia/

Quote
The apparent eccentricities of the text, such as Wilson’s claims about the time-travelling anthropologist, are often dismissed as harmless as whimsical diversions on the part of a critic who required some form of ‘creative’ escape from the exigencies of high-powered theory. This attitude, typical of Anglo-American criticism, draws a  firm line between the discipline of thinking about chaos and the activity of writing which that discipline is supposed to renounce or ignore in its own performance. Criticism as ‘answerable style’ (in Geoffrey Hartman’s phrase) is an idea that cuts right across the deep-grained assumptions of academic discourse. It is, as I shall argue, one of the most unsettling and radical departures of Discordian thought. A properly attentive reading of Wilson brings out the extent to which critical concepts are ceaselessly transformed or undone by the activity of self-conscious writing.  His subversive tactics come down to an inordinate fondness for paradox disguising a commitment to order and method.

Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Cramulus on February 14, 2010, 06:18:51 pm
INTERMITTENS 8: SELF RELIANCE!

http://23ae.com/2010/02/intermittens-8-self-reliance/



101 Ways to make everybody's day weirder
http://23ae.com/2010/02/101-ways-to-make-everybodys-day-weirder/


Bonejangles
http://23ae.com/2010/02/bear-with-me/
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Telarus on February 14, 2010, 09:43:08 pm
Great to see the content flow pick up over there. Nice work, Cram.
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Cramulus on February 15, 2010, 03:17:47 pm
ass suggested by Roger:

http://23ae.com/2010/02/celines-laws/
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: nuclearcabbage on February 15, 2010, 10:24:14 pm
hagbard was such a badass in illuminatus!

thats a cool site by the way
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Cramulus on February 15, 2010, 10:41:33 pm
thanks! It's been around for over ten years, but it was recently relaunched and had new life breathed into it. There's new content once or twice a week. Let me know if you have anything you want to submit.
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: nuclearcabbage on February 16, 2010, 02:00:55 am
hm..

ive considered writing..

but ive never gotten to it.

we shall see.

thanks for the offer though, greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Cramulus on February 16, 2010, 03:25:12 pm
Here's a piece by The Other Anonymous addressed to the authors and editors of the Black Iron Prison. He thinks we're doing it wrong.

http://23ae.com/2010/02/boredom/

Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Triple Zero on February 16, 2010, 04:02:40 pm
That's actually a pretty good rant :)
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Cramulus on February 16, 2010, 04:12:44 pm
IMO, TOA is ironically participating in the exact same boring masturbatory negativity he sets out to decry
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 16, 2010, 05:07:56 pm
He seems to think the BIP doesn't reach people, yet we've seen people come here because of it. I've given it to several friends who found it useful, enlightening, interesting, so it clearly does reach people. It's an old project... what is it, five years old now? People like TOA are STILL complaining about it.

What I wonder is why TOA thinks complaining about a project that actually got completed is useful. What does it accomplish? Why does he not simply undertake a project done the way he thinks it should be done?

Speaking of which, what is the status of the Discordia Etc? That seemed like a good project, and I'd love to see it someday. It's been a couple of years.
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Cramulus on February 16, 2010, 05:13:24 pm
Speaking of which, what is the status of the Discordia Etc? That seemed like a good project, and I'd love to see it someday. It's been a couple of years.

I'd say it's 96% done. Every so often, Net and I go "Okay, Let's finish it for real!" and then for some reason we don't.  :lulz:
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 16, 2010, 05:52:58 pm
I reread his rant, and it occurs to me that what TOA is bitter about is not that other people don't "get" the BIP, but that he doesn't "get" it himself, and makes him feel stupid. Like he's on the outside of an inside joke.

To that, I say; not our problem.
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Hoopla on February 16, 2010, 05:55:10 pm
Yeah, I'm in agreement with Cram... if you don't like the flavor of it, why not work toward something you DO like the flavor of, rather than spend your time musing on a flavor you don't like.

Some people don't understand the Tarbaby Principle.
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: LMNO on February 16, 2010, 07:01:29 pm
I reread his rant, and it occurs to me that what TOA is bitter about is not that other people don't "get" the BIP, but that he doesn't "get" it himself, and makes him feel stupid. Like he's on the outside of an inside joke.

To that, I say; not our problem.

Unfortunately, I disagree; FOR ME, the BIP is a distillation/variation on similar PD/RAW themes, and is not supposed to be a concept reserved for a selective few -- in fact, with my pieces, I was trying to make it more accessible, by removing as much esoterica as possible: "Your born biology and your learned psychology create a unique filter by which you see the Universe."

If he doesn't "get" it, that is a big problem.




On the other hand, if he doesn't like it, fuck him.
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 16, 2010, 07:04:48 pm
Here's a piece by The Other Anonymous addressed to the authors and editors of the Black Iron Prison. He thinks we're doing it wrong.

http://23ae.com/2010/02/boredom/



Once again, he's an asshat.  He's assuming he knows what we're thinking, and building a massive strawman argument from that.

Now, I've known the stalker was a fucking fruitloop from day one...I didn't realize he was STUPID, too.
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 16, 2010, 07:06:00 pm
I reread his rant, and it occurs to me that what TOA is bitter about is not that other people don't "get" the BIP, but that he doesn't "get" it himself, and makes him feel stupid. Like he's on the outside of an inside joke.

To that, I say; not our problem.

Unfortunately, I disagree; FOR ME, the BIP is a distillation/variation on similar PD/RAW themes, and is not supposed to be a concept reserved for a selective few -- in fact, with my pieces, I was trying to make it more accessible, by removing as much esoterica as possible: "Your born biology and your learned psychology create a unique filter by which you see the Universe."

If he doesn't "get" it, that is a big problem.




On the other hand, if he doesn't like it, fuck him.

Wait.

We're responsible for ensuring that retards read what is actually written, rather than what their butthurt little minds WANT it to say?
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: LMNO on February 16, 2010, 07:27:11 pm
I reread his rant, and it occurs to me that what TOA is bitter about is not that other people don't "get" the BIP, but that he doesn't "get" it himself, and makes him feel stupid. Like he's on the outside of an inside joke.

To that, I say; not our problem.

Unfortunately, I disagree; FOR ME, the BIP is a distillation/variation on similar PD/RAW themes, and is not supposed to be a concept reserved for a selective few -- in fact, with my pieces, I was trying to make it more accessible, by removing as much esoterica as possible: "Your born biology and your learned psychology create a unique filter by which you see the Universe."

If he doesn't "get" it, that is a big problem.




On the other hand, if he doesn't like it, fuck him.

Wait.

We're responsible for ensuring that retards read what is actually written, rather than what their butthurt little minds WANT it to say?


Kind of.  Otherwise, aren't we jst preaching to the choir?
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 16, 2010, 07:41:14 pm
I reread his rant, and it occurs to me that what TOA is bitter about is not that other people don't "get" the BIP, but that he doesn't "get" it himself, and makes him feel stupid. Like he's on the outside of an inside joke.

To that, I say; not our problem.

Unfortunately, I disagree; FOR ME, the BIP is a distillation/variation on similar PD/RAW themes, and is not supposed to be a concept reserved for a selective few -- in fact, with my pieces, I was trying to make it more accessible, by removing as much esoterica as possible: "Your born biology and your learned psychology create a unique filter by which you see the Universe."

If he doesn't "get" it, that is a big problem.




On the other hand, if he doesn't like it, fuck him.

Wait.

We're responsible for ensuring that retards read what is actually written, rather than what their butthurt little minds WANT it to say?


Kind of.  Otherwise, aren't we jst preaching to the choir?

No.  You shake people awake.  If they decide they like being asleep better, fuck 'em.  Concentrate on the ones that are willing to wake up.

Life is too short to waste on the willfully ignorant.
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 16, 2010, 07:52:12 pm
I reread his rant, and it occurs to me that what TOA is bitter about is not that other people don't "get" the BIP, but that he doesn't "get" it himself, and makes him feel stupid. Like he's on the outside of an inside joke.

To that, I say; not our problem.

Unfortunately, I disagree; FOR ME, the BIP is a distillation/variation on similar PD/RAW themes, and is not supposed to be a concept reserved for a selective few -- in fact, with my pieces, I was trying to make it more accessible, by removing as much esoterica as possible: "Your born biology and your learned psychology create a unique filter by which you see the Universe."

If he doesn't "get" it, that is a big problem.




On the other hand, if he doesn't like it, fuck him.

No.

Not everyone is going to get everything, and not only is it not your job to make everyone get everything, it would be impossible. Look at the different reactions to "Catcher in the Rye".

His complaint is that the BIP is wankery, that only people who already understand the concepts will get them. I have seen many examples that show that he's wrong; people who were NOT already on board, who read the BIP, and "got" it instantly. That particular project has a certain type of people that it speaks to and works for; a target audience. His claim is that this target audience doesn't exist.

Therefore, I'm concluding that what he's doing is projecting his own failure to "get" it on the entire world, and blaming you.
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Triple Zero on February 16, 2010, 08:37:41 pm
Speaking of which, what is the status of the Discordia Etc? That seemed like a good project, and I'd love to see it someday. It's been a couple of years.

I'd say it's 96% done. Every so often, Net and I go "Okay, Let's finish it for real!" and then for some reason we don't.  :lulz:


To be fair, that fucking freelance website project that I really really had to finish and caused me to drop helping out on the Etc is also still not finished.

Goddamn thing is like one of those metal ball weights chained to my ankle like the Daltons in Lucky Luke.

But when I finish it ... OOHHH .. YOU WILL ALL KNOW .. AND THE SKIES WILL BE PURPLE AND ORANGE AND CANDY AND THE BIRDS WILL SING VOCODER TUNES
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: nuclearcabbage on February 16, 2010, 08:42:58 pm
"birds singing vocoder tunes"

wow, that sounds so fucking awesome!!
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Triple Zero on February 16, 2010, 08:44:38 pm
and real vocoders, too. none of that over-used newfangled autotuner crap.
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Shai Hulud on February 17, 2010, 09:45:17 pm
If TOA insists (http://23ae.com/2010/02/boredom/) that the thing he wrote is Intermittens 9, then I am going to treat it like that (http://23ae.com/2010/02/a-review-of-intermittens-9/).
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: nuclearcabbage on February 17, 2010, 10:41:32 pm
i was most definitely imagining the real deal vocoders
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Cramulus on February 17, 2010, 11:55:45 pm
If TOA insists (http://23ae.com/2010/02/boredom/) that the thing he wrote is Intermittens 9, then I am going to [url-http://23ae.com/2010/02/a-review-of-intermittens-9/]treat it like that[/url].

 :lulz: :lulz:


nice tit for that, thar


I'm not treating that one-page PDF as issue 9 --- those of us who have edited issues have spent weeks or months on them.
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Shai Hulud on February 18, 2010, 01:40:23 am
I'm not treating that one-page PDF as issue 9

Yeah, I agree.  I think the honor of the real number 9 will go to Peleus, I really like the idea of the "phobia" themed issue, I can't wait to see how it turns out.
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Lord Quantum on February 22, 2010, 11:47:26 am
Speaking of which, what is the status of the Discordia Etc? That seemed like a good project, and I'd love to see it someday. It's been a couple of years.

I'd say it's 96% done. Every so often, Net and I go "Okay, Let's finish it for real!" and then for some reason we don't.  :lulz:


To be fair, that fucking freelance website project that I really really had to finish and caused me to drop helping out on the Etc is also still not finished.

Goddamn thing is like one of those metal ball weights chained to my ankle like the Daltons in Lucky Luke.

But when I finish it ... OOHHH .. YOU WILL ALL KNOW .. AND THE SKIES WILL BE PURPLE AND ORANGE AND CANDY AND THE BIRDS WILL SING VOCODER TUNES


What's this "etc" that you speak of? It sounds interesting.
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Cramulus on February 22, 2010, 02:55:07 pm
(http://oubangui.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/khadafi.jpg)

everybody's favorite modern discordian parable
The Parable of the Sacred Bull (http://23ae.com/2010/02/the-parable-of-the-sacred-bull/)



Robert Anton Wilson: Optimist  (by Cain)
http://23ae.com/2010/02/robert-anton-wilson-optimist/


and a new Bonejangles from Guy Incognito:
http://23ae.com/2010/02/bullshit-detector/
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Cain on February 22, 2010, 03:29:22 pm
I still think I'm onto something with that comment about Yog Soggoth...
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Cramulus on February 26, 2010, 06:30:49 pm
all things considered, great timing


LMNO breaks down the nature of reality and explains that the BIP isn't at all about being moody
http://23ae.com/2010/02/bip-on-the-nature-of-reality/
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Cramulus on March 09, 2010, 02:42:50 pm
PIRATE PASS OFF

http://23ae.com/2010/03/pirate-pass-off/

a very simple print-and-play game.
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: LMNO on March 09, 2010, 02:48:24 pm
Hey Cram, if you want to x-post my "Surprise Me Eris" adventures, feel free to do so.

I'm not sure they directly relate to Discordianism, but if the set-up is made explicit enough, it might be fun.
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Cramulus on March 09, 2010, 02:55:35 pm
I think the Dr. Horrendous Foreign Love AI should extend x-post his "surprise me eris" OP on 23ae
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Shai Hulud on March 15, 2010, 02:14:20 am
I just got back from MegaCon 2010, and wrote up a blog post about it (http://23ae.com/2010/03/megacon-2010-a-perspective-from-artist-alley/) for 23AE, with pics.
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Placid Dingo on March 28, 2010, 03:47:19 am
Quote
as posted in the fecebook thread, i finally got the damn pdf maker installed, where were those templates again?

What is this pdf maker you speak of? And will publisher do the trick also?
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: the last yatto on March 28, 2010, 10:34:58 am
answered in a different thread... issues 2-6 or so were perfected under one template that ended up getting losted
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Cramulus on March 28, 2010, 01:36:57 pm
He's talking about scribus, a free open source layout program. It's the poor man's InDesign.

The templates weren't lost! I've got a bunch of 'em on my hard drive.


as for a pdf exporter, another easy option (if you've already done layout in some other program) is bullzip. Bullzip is a freeware program which lets you "print to pdf" and doesn't add any watermarks or anything.

Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Cramulus on March 31, 2010, 03:05:35 pm
(http://23ae.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Egggasm_logo-300x225.jpg)

The Erister Egg Hunt - please share on facebook/twitter/etc!

http://23ae.com/2010/03/erister-egg-hunt/
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Cramulus on April 05, 2010, 09:38:57 pm
INTERMITTENS ISSUE 4

http://23ae.com/2010/04/intermittens-4-redacted/
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Cramulus on April 08, 2010, 03:44:30 pm
The Devia Discordia (http://23ae.com/2010/04/the-devia-discordia/)

Iím beginning a new feature here at 23ae. For the next few Thursdays, Iíll be posting complete books of Discordian Scripture.

Writing your own holy book is like building your own light saber. Many people have taken great pains and great drugs to share their view of Eris with the rest of us spags. I doff my hat to anyone that has added something new to this postmodern pastiche called Discordia.
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Telarus on April 14, 2010, 11:06:06 pm
http://23ae.com/2010/04/internet-forum-threads-about-free-will/
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Triple Zero on April 15, 2010, 02:21:20 pm
nitpick, but you might want to rehost (on 23ae itself, preferably) those pics, as well as JPG compress the bigger ones.
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Telarus on April 15, 2010, 04:37:03 pm
Good catch 000. It was a quick addition at the end and I was already tired of formatting. I should be able to hit that today, tho.
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Cramulus on June 10, 2010, 04:30:27 pm
Featured Today:

Baron Von Hoopla's Wise Book of Baloney

http://23ae.com/2010/06/the-wise-book-of-baloney/
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Hoopla on June 10, 2010, 04:37:03 pm
weee!
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Telarus on June 10, 2010, 10:30:11 pm
:mittens:
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Cramulus on June 16, 2010, 02:54:13 pm
The Parable of the Bong (http://23ae.com/2010/06/871/)
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: the last yatto on June 29, 2010, 09:29:03 am
http://23ae.com/2010/06/a-discordian-argument-against-anarchism/

Quote from: @EmergentOrder
got to say I take major issue w/ that last post. 1st Anarchy is not JUST anti-state. 2nd it doesn't claim to stand for absolute order, or an end to conflict. 3rd National Anarchists are fringe upon fringe & are not accepted by most anarchists
Finally, most anarchists not fond of markets, so "laissez-fare" not good example. Writer of that should do his/her research

 :lulz:
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: LMNO on June 29, 2010, 12:41:50 pm
Hello, swine.  Have some pearls.
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Cain on June 29, 2010, 04:20:43 pm
Yeah, anarchists aren't free market at all.

http://www.google.ch/search?hl=en&q=anarchism+free+market&btnG=Search
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: the last yatto on June 29, 2010, 08:53:21 pm
what5s the purpose of the g20 again... isnt it something about economics?
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Cramulus on June 29, 2010, 09:07:08 pm
If I understand it correctly, it generates random numbers between 1 and 20
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Telarus on June 29, 2010, 09:47:47 pm
 :lulz:
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on June 29, 2010, 09:50:03 pm
If I understand it correctly, it generates random numbers between 1 and 20

:mittens:
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Cramulus on December 07, 2010, 08:02:27 pm
on wikileaks http://23ae.com/2010/12/assange-is-not-the-target/
Title: Re: Featured at 23ae
Post by: Cramulus on January 24, 2011, 08:01:43 pm
Intro to the Etc. Discordia: http://23ae.com/2011/01/introduction-to-the-et-cetera-discordia/


just in case you cats want to read it but not download a huge ass PDF



in time I will probably post moar