Principia Discordia

Principia Discordia => Apple Talk => Topic started by: Doktor Howl on February 08, 2010, 04:24:37 pm

Title: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 08, 2010, 04:24:37 pm
Yesterday, while I was soldering the first connections on my optical stunner, it occurred to me that the world isn't ready for you, Kai.  They aren't ready for understanding the rules of how the universe works...because the universe is a cold, empty place, and even contemplating it sets off all their primate rage instincts.

No, Kai, you are doomed to be the scapegoat of the Know-Nothings, the Tea Partiers, and the corporate interests that want to keep the population ignorant.  With this in mind, I am here to attempt to convert you to Mad Science.  Allow me to explain the benefits, as they compare to regular science:

1.  Regular scientists drive sensible transportation.  Mad scientists drive chopped hearses with built in weaponry.

2.  Regular scientists define a wild party as three different bean dips.  Mad scientists define a wild party as fighting the giant squid in the basement.

3.  Regular scientists go on a date, and it's dinner and a movie.  Mad scientists just strap their date to the slab and get busy.

4.  Regular scientists retire at 70.  Mad scientists go down swinging when the hero blows up their base (and we usually escape to menace the world later on, with cybernetic parts replacing the bits we lost).  Pissing yourself in the old folks home, or howling in fury in a burning/collapsing/self-destructing volcano hideout?  You choose.

5.  Regular scientists ride those silly backwards bikes to stay in shape.  Mad scientists wear a full body waldo and throw cars around while laughing maniacally.  Laughing maniacally, Kai.  When's the last time you did that?

6.  Regular scientists secretly yearn to be mad scientists.  Mad scientists secretly yearn to CONQUER THE WORLD WITH AN ARMY OF RADIOACTIVE GORILLAS!

People fear science, Kai.  But who's afraid of a mad scientist?  Fucking nobody.

Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: LMNO on February 08, 2010, 04:28:01 pm
Well, hell.  I'm on board.


Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 08, 2010, 04:44:09 pm
Well, hell.  I'm on board.




Yeah, benefit #3 is a real draw.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Richter on February 08, 2010, 05:09:18 pm
This is what we need.  This is not longer nancing about with "Ethics"  or "pre - production market studies".  This is taking our megalomania out for a walk, our ideas by the balls, pointing them at the world and pulling the trigger.  Prototype?  EVERYTHING IS PROTOTYPE!  "Production" is jsut getting a few thousand fucks to test to failure for you.

No more tiptoeing around Gods, Myths, or Heroes, when we have death rays that will end the discussion. 

Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Salty on February 08, 2010, 05:46:22 pm
So, is there a specific degree one may aquire or is this just something you fall into like a vat of noxious chemicals?
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 08, 2010, 05:48:34 pm
So, is there a specific degree one may aquire or is this just something you fall into like a vat of noxious chemicals?

Neither.  It's a mindset.  Do you learn to use the odd bits of technology around you and use them for your own amusement, or not?  Also, are you FOR or AGAINST destroying the major metropolis of your choice?
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on February 08, 2010, 05:52:45 pm
TITCM.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Richter on February 08, 2010, 05:58:09 pm
Signs / Symptoms you or your child MAY be inclined towards Mad Science!

Echodomina - "FOOLS! I'LL DESTROY THEM ALL!", "IT LIVES!", "THE WORLD WILL BE MINE!", or other megalomanical statements.

Contructions of Grandeur - Some madmen simply THINK they are Napoleon.  If you or a loved one is building a Mecha - Napoleon to chalenge the pan - slavic horde, please consult the local military.

Cackling laugh

Geekign Out - When engineering, chemistry, software, cooking, armoring, weaponcrafting, smithing, psychology, propaganda and dissembling, or any other simialr / related field comes up, and long, focused discussions on how to do it BETTER / FASTER / HARDER / MORE POWERFUL / BIGGER, etc.  occur, stay out and shut up.  They're having fun.

Grumpy when disturbed - If subject is intent on a project, stay out of their arispace.  Jackass.

Subtle and Quick to Anger - The constant churning of the mind leads to a certain complex wit and boredom with those who cannot keep up.  If you don't udnerstand, go home and think about it.  They were likely pondering 2-5 steps ahead of you, and keeping track of multiple possibilities.    

If you think a loved one may be having a problem with Mad Science, bring them an awesome sammich and a caffeinated beverage.  They'll be less likely to destroy you later.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 08, 2010, 06:03:44 pm
Geekign Out - When engineering, chemistry, software, cooking, armoring, weaponcrafting, smithing, psychology, propaganda and dissembling, or any other simialr / related field comes up, and long, focused discussions on how to do it BETTER / FASTER / HARDER / MORE POWERFUL / BIGGER, etc.  occur, stay out and shut up.  They're having fun.

This.  Doktor Howl is all about the gadgets.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Salty on February 08, 2010, 06:27:13 pm
Excellent!

I have this idea for an automated massage chair, the kind you see stationed in malls.

It would at first lull its victim subject into a state of relaxation, then after a soothing voiced, yet-none-the-less-menacing "warning", clamps unseen by passersby, would lock the subject in place.

This would, of course, be followed by a hollow steel rod being thrust into the brain. The rod would swap out unused (most of it) brain matter and replace it with implants designed to exert control over the subject without interfering with its day-to-day activities. The subject would then leave the chair looking refreshed and relaxed and continue on to Orange Julious and The Gap. The implants would be activated at leisure once enough subjects have been gathered creating in one stroke an army of automatons. 

The chairs would be coin-operated to cover the overhead.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: LMNO on February 08, 2010, 06:30:28 pm
Question:  Can I use Quantum?
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Jasper on February 08, 2010, 06:37:55 pm
This is exactly the best sort of thing.  Mad Science in the borne of pure Discord.

I propose we create a new PDcom organization, for the advancement of mad science.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Cain on February 08, 2010, 06:48:40 pm
"Enough".

Also, a model for all aspiring Mad Scientists in this modern era:

(http://www.xconomy.com/wordpress/wp-content/images/2008/10/fringe-noble32.jpg)

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Dr. Walter Bishop: Now... Let's go synthesize some LSD!

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Peter Bishop: You brought your own sweetener?
Dr. Walter Bishop: Don't be ridiculous. My medication.
Peter Bishop: You're not on any medication, Walter.
Dr. Walter Bishop: Of course I am. I've been making it myself in the lab.
Peter Bishop: Oh, I wish you were joking.

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Peter Bishop: Walter, what are you doing?
Dr. Walter Bishop: Dosing a caterpillar
Peter Bishop: Dosing? As in LSD?
Dr. Walter Bishop: Well, it's a special blend.
Peter Bishop: Hey guess what just happened?
Dr. Walter Bishop: Huh?
Peter Bishop: Finding out that my father is giving drugs to bugs just became a typical moment in my life.
Dr. Walter Bishop: It's wonderful, isn't it?

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Walter Bishop: Once you are given the order to put on the headphones, do not remove them under any circumstances. If you do, you may die a gruesome and horrible death. Thank you for your attention and have a nice day.

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OLIVIA: Walter, what was the Bible for?
WALTER: Well, you're taking untested psychedelics, lying in saline with an electrical charge in the base of your cranium. Among other things, I thought it appropriate to pray you don't get electrocuted.
OLIVIA: Praise the Lord.
WALTER: Amen.

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Dr. Walter Bishop: We're all mutants. What's more remarkable is how many of us appear to be normal.

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Astrid Farnsworth: Wait, you want to rewire his brain?
Dr. Walter Bishop: Not without his permission. It would be a minor surgery.
Peter Bishop: Minor brain surgery. Emphasis not on the minor.

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Dr. Walter Bishop: To understand what happened at the diner, we use Mr. Papaya. [he places the papaya in the container and steps back] This is upsetting because he is the friendliest of fruits.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Jasper on February 08, 2010, 06:51:44 pm
Oh.  My.  God. :lulz:
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: LMNO on February 08, 2010, 06:52:07 pm
I have to ask:  What the fuck was that?
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Telarus on February 08, 2010, 07:06:13 pm
 :lulz:
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 08, 2010, 07:24:02 pm
Question:  Can I use Quantum?

Let's leave the pseudoscience for the hippies, shall we?
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: LMNO on February 08, 2010, 07:24:52 pm
Dammit. 


I wanted to develop Schrodinger's Shotgun.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Captain Utopia on February 08, 2010, 07:28:04 pm
I wanted to develop Schrodinger's Shotgun.
Would that work on the undead?
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 08, 2010, 07:28:44 pm
I wanted to develop Schrodinger's Shotgun.
Would that work on the undead?

You can't tell until you try it.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Jenne on February 08, 2010, 07:53:50 pm
I have to ask:  What the fuck was that?

"Fringe."  A pretty great show, actually.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 08, 2010, 07:55:12 pm
I have to ask:  What the fuck was that?

"Fringe."  A pretty great show, actually.

I'm going to buy the DVDs on Cain's say-so alone.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Requia ☣ on February 08, 2010, 08:05:13 pm
I will be joining you in mad science roger, just as soon as I can get somebody to fun my army of zombie rats.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Dimocritus on February 08, 2010, 08:10:24 pm
I often wondered where all the mad scientists are, actually. I am all for this, 100%.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 08, 2010, 08:19:30 pm
I often wondered where all the mad scientists are, actually. I am all for this, 100%.

I bet a lot of mad scientists are wondering where all the mad scientists are.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Dimocritus on February 08, 2010, 08:26:42 pm
I often wondered where all the mad scientists are, actually. I am all for this, 100%.

I bet a lot of mad scientists are wondering where all the mad scientists are.

Maybe I'm a mad scientist?  :? I do meet the "crazy hair" pre-requisite.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: LMNO on February 08, 2010, 08:27:45 pm
Did they call you "mad" at the University?

If so, will you show them all, one day!?
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 08, 2010, 08:28:53 pm
Did they call you "mad" at the University?

If so, will you show them all, one day!?

Have you ever had the urge to change your first name to "Carstairs"?
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Hoopla on February 08, 2010, 08:31:40 pm
Do you have large enough resources for a secret lair under the Arctic?

Have you been driven out of all the civilized countries?

Do you really really enjoy Tesla coils?

Do you laugh loudly and inappropriately?

Do you have funny hair?
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Dimocritus on February 08, 2010, 08:32:21 pm
Did they call you "mad" at the University?

If so, will you show them all, one day!?

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: The Wizard on February 08, 2010, 09:01:39 pm
I've only shown any talent for the social sciences.

Dr. James Semaj
Mad Sociologist
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 08, 2010, 09:05:11 pm
I've only shown any talent for the social sciences.

Dr. James Semaj
Mad Sociologist

That can also be used for insane ends.  Mad science is multi-disciplinary.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: The Wizard on February 08, 2010, 09:09:14 pm
Aye. Time to manipulate social structure for my own gains.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 08, 2010, 09:12:31 pm
Aye. Time to manipulate social structure for my own gains.

Everyone does that.

Manipulate it for maximum laughs.  Evil laughs.  Booming, maniacal laughs.

Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: The Wizard on February 08, 2010, 09:14:46 pm
Humor is pretty much my number one gain. But I get your point.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Iason Ouabache on February 08, 2010, 10:50:58 pm
 :magick: MWAHAHAHAHA! LET'S BLOW SOME SHIT UP!!!
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Zenpeanut on February 08, 2010, 10:57:48 pm
The only one I can think off the top of my head is Joe Davis

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2008/07/the_true_story_of_the_hurricane_katrina_lightninglaser_memorial_and_the_pegleg_biologist-2/
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Rumckle on February 09, 2010, 12:32:14 am
Echodomina - "FOOLS! I'LL DESTROY THEM ALL!", "IT LIVES!", "THE WORLD WILL BE MINE!", or other megalomanical statements.

I yell that when making pizza dough.

Rumckle,
Mad Cook
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Reginald Ret on February 09, 2010, 02:54:16 am
I found toys!
(this may seem familiar to some of you more experienced scientists)


thermite: (http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Thermit_and_thermit_welding)
3 parts of aluminium plus 10 parts of magnetite(iron oxide), powdered.
light with magnesium ribbon(or powder).

PS: the parts are in weight. 3 gram alu for 10 parts rust.


Chloral hydrate: (http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Chloral)

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In the above doses(0.3 gram to 1.3 gram(or 5-20 grains)) the drug is a powerful and safe hypnotic, acting directly on the brain, and producing no preliminary stage of excitement. Very soon - perhaps twenty minutes - after taking such a dose, the patient falls into a sleep which lasts several hours, and is not distinguishable from natural sleep. When he wakes, it is without disagreeable after-symptoms, but with a feeling of natural refreshment.

Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 09, 2010, 02:57:00 am
I found toys!
(this may seem familiar to some of you more experienced scientists)


thermite: (http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Thermit_and_thermit_welding)
3 parts of aluminium plus 10 parts of magnetite(iron oxide), powdered.
light with magnesium ribbon(or powder).

PS: the parts are in weight. 3 gram alu for 10 parts rust.


Chloral hydrate: (http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Chloral)

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In the above doses(0.3 gram to 1.3 gram(or 5-20 grains)) the drug is a powerful and safe hypnotic, acting directly on the brain, and producing no preliminary stage of excitement. Very soon - perhaps twenty minutes - after taking such a dose, the patient falls into a sleep which lasts several hours, and is not distinguishable from natural sleep. When he wakes, it is without disagreeable after-symptoms, but with a feeling of natural refreshment.



Yeah, and you should talk about them really loudly.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Freeky on February 09, 2010, 03:02:09 am
I found toys!
(this may seem familiar to some of you more experienced scientists)


thermite: (http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Thermit_and_thermit_welding)
3 parts of aluminium plus 10 parts of magnetite(iron oxide), powdered.
light with magnesium ribbon(or powder).

PS: the parts are in weight. 3 gram alu for 10 parts rust.


Chloral hydrate: (http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Chloral)

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In the above doses(0.3 gram to 1.3 gram(or 5-20 grains)) the drug is a powerful and safe hypnotic, acting directly on the brain, and producing no preliminary stage of excitement. Very soon - perhaps twenty minutes - after taking such a dose, the patient falls into a sleep which lasts several hours, and is not distinguishable from natural sleep. When he wakes, it is without disagreeable after-symptoms, but with a feeling of natural refreshment.



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In cases of acute poisoning by chloral hydrate, the symptoms may be summarized as those of profound coma. The treatment is to give a stimulant emetic such as mustard; to keep up the temperature by hot bottles, &c.; to prevent or disturb the patient's morbid sleep by the injection of hot strong coffee into the rectum,
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Reginald Ret on February 09, 2010, 03:10:25 am
coffee in the rectum? i missed that! awesome!
but that only happens if you OD.

@ doc howl:
these are just toys, doc.
just toys.
only for playing and getting rid of rodents.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 09, 2010, 03:13:41 am
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to prevent or disturb the patient's morbid sleep by the injection of hot strong coffee into the rectum,

I need to hit the medical supply store down by UMC.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Freeky on February 09, 2010, 03:15:08 am
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to prevent or disturb the patient's morbid sleep by the injection of hot strong coffee into the rectum,

I need to hit the medical supply store down by UMC.

Thought you'd like that.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Bu☆ns on February 09, 2010, 03:17:15 am
Allow me to be one to

COCK!
http://www.shomer-tec.com/department/special-ingredients-32.cfm
REPOSTE! 

considering these should be standards in any mad ________'s laboratory.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Remington on February 09, 2010, 03:20:27 am
A helpful resource for the good Doktor:
http://www.cracked.com/article_17016_7-items-you-wont-believe-are-actually-legal.html (http://www.cracked.com/article_17016_7-items-you-wont-believe-are-actually-legal.html)

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40 states have absolutely no laws whatsoever concerning flamethrowers. Only in America would a device capable of launching rivers of fire at people be less regulated than marijuana.

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That pesky 1st Amendment makes it pretty difficult for the government to ban a book just because it has instructions for baking Pyrex explosives and crippling the drive system of an M1 Abrams. This is a good thing.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 09, 2010, 03:26:04 am
A helpful resource for the good Doktor:
http://www.cracked.com/article_17016_7-items-you-wont-believe-are-actually-legal.html (http://www.cracked.com/article_17016_7-items-you-wont-believe-are-actually-legal.html)

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40 states have absolutely no laws whatsoever concerning flamethrowers. Only in America would a device capable of launching rivers of fire at people be less regulated than marijuana.

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That pesky 1st Amendment makes it pretty difficult for the government to ban a book just because it has instructions for baking Pyrex explosives and crippling the drive system of an M1 Abrams. This is a good thing.

Woot!
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: The Wizard on February 09, 2010, 03:32:48 am
I'm quite interested in Salvia. And the homemade weaponry. And holy shit, I can own a minigun. Remington, I love you.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Bu☆ns on February 09, 2010, 03:54:06 am
Allow me to be one to

COCK!
http://www.shomer-tec.com/department/special-ingredients-32.cfm
REPOSTE! 

considering these should be standards in any mad ________'s laboratory.

also if anybody tries this out in the field, please share your experiences.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Template on February 09, 2010, 08:13:26 am
Allow me to be one to

COCK!
http://www.shomer-tec.com/department/special-ingredients-32.cfm
REPOSTE! 

considering these should be standards in any mad ________'s laboratory.

also if anybody tries this out in the field, please share your experiences.

What of KYFMS?
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Requia ☣ on February 09, 2010, 09:49:49 am
Hmm, what the hell is there that thermite *won't* burn or melt?  Looking at it, the stuff is hot enough for the rubies from beer cans experiment I always wanted to do.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 09, 2010, 01:41:46 pm
Allow me to be one to

COCK!
http://www.shomer-tec.com/department/special-ingredients-32.cfm
REPOSTE! 

considering these should be standards in any mad ________'s laboratory.

also if anybody tries this out in the field, please share your experiences.

What of KYFMS?

Dangerously out of calibration right now, I think.  We need to knock this shit off, and find a better way to communicate.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Pariah on February 09, 2010, 02:13:59 pm
I LOVE YOU AMERICA!

http://unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2_4  :fap:



Something is disturbing about the fact that only the more highly radioactive ore is sold out.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Kai on February 09, 2010, 04:06:47 pm
Dear Dkr. Howl,

I understand your reasoning completely. In a world where people are taken way too seriously, being a mad scientist means you are one of the few who actually /isn't/.

However, I think I'm there already. You see, I'm a biologist, and not just a biologist, but a systematist, and not just a systematist but a pattern cladist systematist, and not just a pattern cladist systematist but a pattern cladist systematist that specializes in a group of insects which make most people ask the question, "What the HELL is a Cah-deece Fly?" No one takes me seriously, except my fellow Trichopterists, and we're all a small group.

Turns out we end up pretty much like mad scientists without even trying. All that's left is some style. I mean, what's the point of all this if you can't look strange doing it?

So, here's some ideas:

1. Change of wardrobe. I have some of the same sort of button downs my adviser wears, but my pants are all wrong. Also, fishing vests, you know, the sort that have all the pockets so I can have vials and notebooks and forceps stuffed in with me at all times. Also also, pocket protectors. My glasses are just about perfect now, so no change there.

2. Library. My adviser stresses this quite a bit, and I've obliged probably more than I should considering my funds. The more old entomology texts I have, the better. Hell, I've got 100 year old copies of Darwin. And I've always got an old book on my person for reading.

3. Language. It's not that I can't speak English, it's just that it's so much more fun to speak in lingua siencia. Using entomology terms for body parts is a good start (ig, frons for forehead, tarsus for foot). Also, change of curse words. Frass for shit, adeagus for penis derivatives, and "Phryganeids!" as an interjection. If I'm gonna swear, might as well do it in style.

4. Absentminded professor. Now, I don't mean being actually absentminded. I mean, instead feining absentmindedness. Keep the kids on their toes. Part of being a mad scientist is seeming completely harmless in your ridiculous while in actuality you're so much more.

I know this is probably not the sort of mad scientist you aspire to, but there's more than one mad scientist out there. We're all the same in the sense that we see how unbelievably amazing reality is, and how equally unbelievable is the stupidity of the ordinary human monkeys we see every day in their complete failure to see the amazingness of reality. This, of course, drives us mad.

Sincerely yours,

Kai
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 09, 2010, 04:17:45 pm

I know this is probably not the sort of mad scientist you aspire to, but there's more than one mad scientist out there. We're all the same in the sense that we see how unbelievably amazing reality is, and how equally unbelievable is the stupidity of the ordinary human monkeys we see every day in their complete failure to see the amazingness of reality. This, of course, drives us mad.

All of the preceding statements/ideas are good.  But where's the maniacal laughing?  Where's the revenge-driven statements of intent?

Where's the "TIME TO FEED, MY LITTLE ONES!", while the panicked masses scream and try to escape?
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Cain on February 09, 2010, 04:43:38 pm
I have to ask:  What the fuck was that?

"Fringe."  A pretty great show, actually.

I'm going to buy the DVDs on Cain's say-so alone.

The science is more than a bit pseudo-sciency, but Walter is the perfect mad scientist for the modern era.  Whether its taking heroic amounts of homemade LSD, exploding fruit with microwave based implants, keeping a cow in Havard University or attempting to make super-soldiers for the military, Walter is a fine role model.  Plus when he says "they said I was mad", he really means it.  17 years in a mental asylum is not conducive to stable thinking.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 09, 2010, 04:51:19 pm
I have to ask:  What the fuck was that?

"Fringe."  A pretty great show, actually.

I'm going to buy the DVDs on Cain's say-so alone.

The science is more than a bit pseudo-sciency, but Walter is the perfect mad scientist for the modern era.  Whether its taking heroic amounts of homemade LSD, exploding fruit with microwave based implants, keeping a cow in Havard University or attempting to make super-soldiers for the military, Walter is a fine role model.  Plus when he says "they said I was mad", he really means it.  17 years in a mental asylum is not conducive to stable thinking.

Well, there you go.  If I wanted regular science, I'd watch Bill Nye, who is a God in his own right.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Remington on February 09, 2010, 05:13:46 pm
1. Change of wardrobe. I have some of the same sort of button downs my adviser wears, but my pants are all wrong. Also, fishing vests, you know, the sort that have all the pockets so I can have vials and notebooks and forceps stuffed in with me at all times. Also also, pocket protectors. My glasses are just about perfect now, so no change there.
I propose a long, off-white lab coat. Wear it everywhere you go.
Should anyone mention it, simply reply "Oh, it's a science thing. You wouldn't understand."

Related:
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/trimester.png)
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 09, 2010, 05:15:11 pm
1. Change of wardrobe. I have some of the same sort of button downs my adviser wears, but my pants are all wrong. Also, fishing vests, you know, the sort that have all the pockets so I can have vials and notebooks and forceps stuffed in with me at all times. Also also, pocket protectors. My glasses are just about perfect now, so no change there.
I propose a long, off-white lab coat. Wear it everywhere you go.
Should anyone mention it, simply reply "Oh, it's a science thing. You wouldn't understand."

Related:
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/trimester.png)


:spit:
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Jenne on February 09, 2010, 05:19:11 pm
:lulz:  I love this thread.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on February 09, 2010, 05:28:59 pm
I knew there was a reason I decided to be Dr. Horrible for ICON.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Kai on February 09, 2010, 08:25:38 pm

I know this is probably not the sort of mad scientist you aspire to, but there's more than one mad scientist out there. We're all the same in the sense that we see how unbelievably amazing reality is, and how equally unbelievable is the stupidity of the ordinary human monkeys we see every day in their complete failure to see the amazingness of reality. This, of course, drives us mad.

All of the preceding statements/ideas are good.  But where's the maniacal laughing?  Where's the revenge-driven statements of intent?

Where's the "TIME TO FEED, MY LITTLE ONES!", while the panicked masses scream and try to escape?

See, THAT'S a matter of taste. You may find maniacal laughter, revenge and panicked, screaming masses stylish but they just sound messy to me. Probably would cause a swath of my carefully labeled vials to knock over.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 09, 2010, 08:34:12 pm

I know this is probably not the sort of mad scientist you aspire to, but there's more than one mad scientist out there. We're all the same in the sense that we see how unbelievably amazing reality is, and how equally unbelievable is the stupidity of the ordinary human monkeys we see every day in their complete failure to see the amazingness of reality. This, of course, drives us mad.

All of the preceding statements/ideas are good.  But where's the maniacal laughing?  Where's the revenge-driven statements of intent?

Where's the "TIME TO FEED, MY LITTLE ONES!", while the panicked masses scream and try to escape?

See, THAT'S a matter of taste. You may find maniacal laughter, revenge and panicked, screaming masses stylish but they just sound messy to me. Probably would cause a swath of my carefully labeled vials to knock over.

Which, of course, would necessitate further revenge.

I fail to see a downside, here.  Plus, you should have an Igor that can clean up the important stuff.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: The Wizard on February 09, 2010, 08:37:31 pm
Also, there is the arch nemesis to think about. If you're going for the nutty professor archetype, then you don't really need a nemesis. But for the more maniacal variety, the archenemy is paramount to success.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Kai on February 09, 2010, 10:00:26 pm

I know this is probably not the sort of mad scientist you aspire to, but there's more than one mad scientist out there. We're all the same in the sense that we see how unbelievably amazing reality is, and how equally unbelievable is the stupidity of the ordinary human monkeys we see every day in their complete failure to see the amazingness of reality. This, of course, drives us mad.

All of the preceding statements/ideas are good.  But where's the maniacal laughing?  Where's the revenge-driven statements of intent?

Where's the "TIME TO FEED, MY LITTLE ONES!", while the panicked masses scream and try to escape?

See, THAT'S a matter of taste. You may find maniacal laughter, revenge and panicked, screaming masses stylish but they just sound messy to me. Probably would cause a swath of my carefully labeled vials to knock over.

Which, of course, would necessitate further revenge.

I fail to see a downside, here.  Plus, you should have an Igor that can clean up the important stuff.

Igor is not to be trusted with the specimens. He's like Dirty Assistant, only....yeah, he's like Dirty Assistant.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 09, 2010, 10:04:20 pm

I know this is probably not the sort of mad scientist you aspire to, but there's more than one mad scientist out there. We're all the same in the sense that we see how unbelievably amazing reality is, and how equally unbelievable is the stupidity of the ordinary human monkeys we see every day in their complete failure to see the amazingness of reality. This, of course, drives us mad.

All of the preceding statements/ideas are good.  But where's the maniacal laughing?  Where's the revenge-driven statements of intent?

Where's the "TIME TO FEED, MY LITTLE ONES!", while the panicked masses scream and try to escape?

See, THAT'S a matter of taste. You may find maniacal laughter, revenge and panicked, screaming masses stylish but they just sound messy to me. Probably would cause a swath of my carefully labeled vials to knock over.

Which, of course, would necessitate further revenge.

I fail to see a downside, here.  Plus, you should have an Igor that can clean up the important stuff.

Igor is not to be trusted with the specimens. He's like Dirty Assistant, only....yeah, he's like Dirty Assistant.

Then you have an excuse to flog him with your cane.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Kai on February 09, 2010, 10:08:06 pm
I'd rather just not have my specimens screwed up.

Besides, he'd probably do something worse than just break vials. You know the sort, "brain from the wrong jar" and all that.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 09, 2010, 10:09:03 pm
I'd rather just not have my specimens screwed up.

Besides, he'd probably do something worse than just break vials. You know the sort, "brain from the wrong jar" and all that.

Hmmm...But how do we introduce evil into the world of caddisflies, then?
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Template on February 10, 2010, 07:10:41 am
I'd rather just not have my specimens screwed up.

Besides, he'd probably do something worse than just break vials. You know the sort, "brain from the wrong jar" and all that.

Hmmm...But how do we introduce evil into the world of caddisflies, then?

Experiments with causing caddisflies to self-organize/classify lead to emergent sapience on the swarm-scale.

Tiny, unstoppable insects with a sorting fetish make for adequate horror.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Jasper on February 10, 2010, 07:32:28 am
We are going to need nemeses.  Cf: 48 Laws. 

Anyone here know of a forum where scientists go to debate ethics?
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Requia ☣ on February 10, 2010, 07:41:25 am
The ethics review board.

Those that are actually interested in ethics anyway, the rest of them go places that have no scientific ethics, like the shittier parts of Africa.  Or France.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on February 10, 2010, 10:59:58 am
christ. what kind of mad scientists are you guys???

simply add 1950's style radiation and its:

Attack Of The 50 Foot Caddisfly!

1950's style radiation was the shit. They don't make radiation like that anymore unfortunately. The new stuff just gives you blisters and makes your teeth and hair fall out :argh!:
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Emo Howard on February 10, 2010, 12:44:44 pm
We are going to need nemeses.  Cf: 48 Laws. 

Anyone here know of a forum where scientists go to debate ethics?

The Union of Concerned Scientists is chock full of meddling do-gooders.

Also, they have a cool name for cursing and fist shaking and wot-not.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 10, 2010, 03:23:29 pm
We are going to need nemeses.  Cf: 48 Laws. 

Anyone here know of a forum where scientists go to debate ethics?

The Union of Concerned Scientists is chock full of meddling do-gooders.

Also, they have a cool name for cursing and fist shaking and wot-not.

Do they have a website?
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 10, 2010, 03:24:21 pm
christ. what kind of mad scientists are you guys???

simply add 1950's style radiation and its:

Attack Of The 50 Foot Caddisfly!

1950's style radiation was the shit. They don't make radiation like that anymore unfortunately. The new stuff just gives you blisters and makes your teeth and hair fall out :argh!:

This is what happens when you offshore your evil.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Emo Howard on February 10, 2010, 05:53:41 pm
We are going to need nemeses.  Cf: 48 Laws. 

Anyone here know of a forum where scientists go to debate ethics?

The Union of Concerned Scientists is chock full of meddling do-gooders.

Also, they have a cool name for cursing and fist shaking and wot-not.

Do they have a website?

Yeah, but no message board.

http://www.ucsusa.org/
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 10, 2010, 06:09:06 pm
We are going to need nemeses.  Cf: 48 Laws. 

Anyone here know of a forum where scientists go to debate ethics?

The Union of Concerned Scientists is chock full of meddling do-gooders.

Also, they have a cool name for cursing and fist shaking and wot-not.

Do they have a website?

Yeah, but no message board.

http://www.ucsusa.org/

That's okay.  I was planning on emailing them, anyway.  Will post screenshots.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Jasper on February 10, 2010, 06:45:17 pm
Hahaha!  Awesome.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: BabylonHoruv on February 10, 2010, 09:37:05 pm
Dear Dkr. Howl,

I understand your reasoning completely. In a world where people are taken way too seriously, being a mad scientist means you are one of the few who actually /isn't/.

However, I think I'm there already. You see, I'm a biologist, and not just a biologist, but a systematist, and not just a systematist but a pattern cladist systematist, and not just a pattern cladist systematist but a pattern cladist systematist that specializes in a group of insects which make most people ask the question, "What the HELL is a Cah-deece Fly?" No one takes me seriously, except my fellow Trichopterists, and we're all a small group.

Turns out we end up pretty much like mad scientists without even trying. All that's left is some style. I mean, what's the point of all this if you can't look strange doing it?

So, here's some ideas:

1. Change of wardrobe. I have some of the same sort of button downs my adviser wears, but my pants are all wrong. Also, fishing vests, you know, the sort that have all the pockets so I can have vials and notebooks and forceps stuffed in with me at all times. Also also, pocket protectors. My glasses are just about perfect now, so no change there.

2. Library. My adviser stresses this quite a bit, and I've obliged probably more than I should considering my funds. The more old entomology texts I have, the better. Hell, I've got 100 year old copies of Darwin. And I've always got an old book on my person for reading.

3. Language. It's not that I can't speak English, it's just that it's so much more fun to speak in lingua siencia. Using entomology terms for body parts is a good start (ig, frons for forehead, tarsus for foot). Also, change of curse words. Frass for shit, adeagus for penis derivatives, and "Phryganeids!" as an interjection. If I'm gonna swear, might as well do it in style.

4. Absentminded professor. Now, I don't mean being actually absentminded. I mean, instead feining absentmindedness. Keep the kids on their toes. Part of being a mad scientist is seeming completely harmless in your ridiculous while in actuality you're so much more.

I know this is probably not the sort of mad scientist you aspire to, but there's more than one mad scientist out there. We're all the same in the sense that we see how unbelievably amazing reality is, and how equally unbelievable is the stupidity of the ordinary human monkeys we see every day in their complete failure to see the amazingness of reality. This, of course, drives us mad.

Sincerely yours,

Kai

Oh hell yes, mad entymologists. 
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Rumckle on February 10, 2010, 09:47:56 pm
Entomologists don't get mad, they systematically get even.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 10, 2010, 09:51:41 pm
Entomologists don't get mad, they systematically get even.

But they DO go mad.  Comes from spending all day picking through vats of bugs.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Kai on February 10, 2010, 09:58:09 pm
Entomologists don't get mad, they systematically get even.

But they DO go mad.  Comes from spending all day picking through vats of bugs.

Seriously. It's not the bugs themselves, but the poly-acetyl-vinyl-formalin-napthaline-alcohol vapors rising out of the liquids they are pickled in.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 10, 2010, 09:58:28 pm
Entomologists don't get mad, they systematically get even.

But they DO go mad.  Comes from spending all day picking through vats of bugs.

Seriously. It's not the bugs themselves, but the poly-acetyl-vinyl-formalin-napthaline-alcohol vapors rising out of the liquids they are pickled in.

Um.

So.

You hiring?
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Eater of Clowns on February 10, 2010, 11:08:18 pm
Sometimes I lament for the truly mad scientist days of early psychology.

Milgram making people think they electrocuted someone to death.
Harlowe torturing baby monkeys.
Making babies associate fuzzy rabbits with distress and fear.

Lousy ethics board.   :argh!:
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Freeky on February 10, 2010, 11:09:19 pm
Making babies associate fuzzy rabbits with distress and fear.


NOT. FUNNY.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Template on February 10, 2010, 11:42:41 pm
Making babies associate fuzzy rabbits with distress and fear.


NOT. FUNNY.

Existence of clowns.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Rumckle on February 10, 2010, 11:45:35 pm
Making babies associate fuzzy rabbits with distress and fear.


NOT. FUNNY.

Eh, rabbits aren't that nice anyway. If it were kittens, that would be cruel.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Eater of Clowns on February 10, 2010, 11:46:53 pm
Making babies associate fuzzy rabbits with distress and fear.


NOT. FUNNY.

Nope, but still true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Albert_experiment
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Freeky on February 10, 2010, 11:47:41 pm
No thanks. I'm not clicking that.  :cry:
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: The Wizard on February 10, 2010, 11:53:38 pm
You could find one of those pathetic "real superheroes" that wander the internet. They would make entertaining, if very sad, nemeses.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Eater of Clowns on February 10, 2010, 11:54:56 pm
No thanks. I'm not clicking that.  :cry:

Harlowe's monkey torture experiments were much worse.


They were baby monkeys.  They died of loneliness.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Freeky on February 10, 2010, 11:55:36 pm
Nor am I going to go looking for that.  :cry: :x
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Rumckle on February 10, 2010, 11:58:28 pm
You could find one of those pathetic "real superheroes" that wander the internet. They would make entertaining, if very sad, nemeses.

Some of them are cool, like angle grinder man:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/3112670.stm
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Eater of Clowns on February 10, 2010, 11:58:47 pm
Nor am I going to go looking for that.  :cry: :x

No need to look, here it is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Harlow
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: The Wizard on February 11, 2010, 12:02:09 am
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Some of them are cool, like angle grinder man:

For a second there, I thought that this guy might have had some angle grinder themed gadgets. But even that sad hope is destroyed. Why has no one ever bothered to actually do this shit seriously?
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Rumckle on February 11, 2010, 12:04:28 am
What I found interesting was this:

Quote
It is also today considered unethical to evoke responses of fear in a laboratory setting, unless a participant has given informed consent to being intentionally frightened as part of an experiment.


So we can't evoke responses of fear in laboratories, but for reality TV shows it's ok?
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: The Wizard on February 11, 2010, 12:06:19 am
Well yeah. Reality TV makes more money, at least in the short term. And who cares about five years from now, anyway?
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Eater of Clowns on February 11, 2010, 12:07:59 am
I'm pretty sure they need to give informed consent on the reality show as well.  I don't know about "hidden camera" type things though.

Also note unethical - since when is reality television concerned with ethics?
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: The Wizard on February 11, 2010, 12:10:08 am
If they ever did give a shit about ethics, they stopped caring the moment they realized that people liked watching assholes.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Rumckle on February 11, 2010, 12:11:12 am
The hidden camera ones were the shows I was talking about.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Freeky on February 11, 2010, 12:12:51 am
I'm pretty sure they need to give informed consent on the reality show as well.  I don't know about "hidden camera" type things though.


They get them to sign the waiver afterwards.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Rumckle on February 11, 2010, 12:14:14 am
But that is only to show it on TV, it doesn't change the fact that it happened.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Freeky on February 11, 2010, 12:17:17 am
Hm. I guess they don't ask them and just do it?
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Iason Ouabache on February 11, 2010, 01:34:57 am
If they ever did give a shit about ethics, they stopped caring the moment they realized that people liked watching assholes.
I'm standing by my prediction that a reality show will finally kill someone this year. I thought that I had it when the captain from "Deadliest Catch" died a couple of days ago but it was an unrelated stroke.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Kai on February 11, 2010, 01:39:24 am
Dkr H-

After reading JR Platt's classic paper on Strong Inference, I'm not sure that I can even /be/ a mad scientist, since I'm not sure if the stuff I'm doing is even really science. I've been told that science doesn't have to be experimental, that research based upon observation and comparison can be perfectly good "science", but now reading this I'm not so sure.

Or maybe just my science (with a little s) is just piddly stuff compared to Science, which uses strong inference and conducts experiments and discovers all the answers to the Big Important Questionstm. I'm just the accessory, Doktor. I'm no scientist, I'm just mad.

~Kai
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Kai on February 11, 2010, 01:50:38 am
But none of the results are important, HFLS. I don't cure cancer or solve world hunger or send people to mars. I don't even do experiments. All I do is observe, characterize, and compare. Naturalist's work, something that gets sneered at by /real/ scientists.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Emo Howard on February 11, 2010, 02:00:03 am
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk316/Jerry_Frankster/mad-scientist-mad-engineers.jpg)


Personally, I'm more of a Disgruntled Technologist, but whatever.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Jasper on February 11, 2010, 02:17:57 am
That comic makes me smile.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Kai on February 11, 2010, 04:51:03 am
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But none of the results are important, HFLS. I don't cure cancer or solve world hunger or send people to mars.

NEITHER DO THEY! All of their results are wank in those fields.

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observe, characterize, and compare.

sounds pretty fucking science to me. I'm pretty sure that's how people worked out how the solar system worked, and how to observe planets you cannot even fucking see, by the wobble in another thing you cannot even see. So, going by those /real/ science types, Darwin was not a scientist? They can choke ona fucking dick.

observe, characterize, and comparings what set us up with one of the major science theory's ever, evomotherfuckinlution*. and that's not science enough for em?

Dicks.



*This was Darwin's original title 'The Voyage of The Beagle & Theory Of Evomotherfuckinlution Bitches' but the Holy Church took offence, and hell, you know the rest ...


Actually, Darwin did many experiments.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Requia ☣ on February 11, 2010, 05:13:59 am
Sometimes I lament for the truly mad scientist days of early psychology.

Milgram making people think they electrocuted someone to death.
Harlowe torturing baby monkeys.
Making babies associate fuzzy rabbits with distress and fear.

Lousy ethics board.   :argh!:

The Milgram experiments are still allowed, though tricky, as most test subjects are students who have heard of it.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Requia ☣ on February 11, 2010, 05:27:30 am
The Harlowe experiments... why the fuck would you do that to monkeys?  You can already watch the same thing happen to kids in orphanages.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Iason Ouabache on February 11, 2010, 05:47:41 am
But none of the results are important, HFLS. I don't cure cancer or solve world hunger or send people to mars. I don't even do experiments. All I do is observe, characterize, and compare. Naturalist's work, something that gets sneered at by /real/ scientists.
You have no way of knowing if the results are important until you are done. ;)
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: LMNO on February 11, 2010, 12:54:27 pm
Couldn't you consider your entire work one big experiment using the scientific method?

Hypothesis:  All Caddisflies of X genus and species have Y characteristics.

Test: Observation.

Conclusion: This one doesn't

Revise Hypothesis.


Yeah?
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Kai on February 11, 2010, 01:13:10 pm
Couldn't you consider your entire work one big experiment using the scientific method?

Hypothesis:  All Caddisflies of X genus and species have Y characteristics.

Test: Observation.

Conclusion: This one doesn't

Revise Hypothesis.


Yeah?

Strong inference involves manipulation and experiment though.

Four steps of strong inference:

1. Devising alternative hypotheses
2. Devising a crucial experiment.
3. Carrying out the experiment so to get a clean result.
4. Recycle, refine, rinse and repeat.

Since there is no experimentation in systematics I have to accept that systematics cannot utilize strong inference.

That is, until I devise some analogue. Maybe. If I even can.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: N E T on February 11, 2010, 01:20:52 pm
But none of the results are important, HFLS. I don't cure cancer or solve world hunger or send people to mars. I don't even do experiments. All I do is observe, characterize, and compare. Naturalist's work, something that gets sneered at by /real/ scientists.
You have no way of knowing if the results are important until you are done. ;)

That reminds of Kevin Dunbar: (http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/12/fail_accept_defeat/all/1)

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Dunbar knew that scientists often don’t think the way the textbooks say they are supposed to. He suspected that all those philosophers of science — from Aristotle to Karl Popper — had missed something important about what goes on in the lab. (As Richard Feynman famously quipped, “Philosophy of science is about as useful to scientists as ornithology is to birds.”) So Dunbar decided to launch an “in vivo” investigation, attempting to learn from the messiness of real experiments.

...

Dunbar came away from his in vivo studies with an unsettling insight: Science is a deeply frustrating pursuit. Although the researchers were mostly using established techniques, more than 50 percent of their data was unexpected. (In some labs, the figure exceeded 75 percent.) “The scientists had these elaborate theories about what was supposed to happen,” Dunbar says. “But the results kept contradicting their theories. It wasn’t uncommon for someone to spend a month on a project and then just discard all their data because the data didn’t make sense.”

Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: LMNO on February 11, 2010, 01:22:17 pm
Couldn't you consider your entire work one big experiment using the scientific method?

Hypothesis:  All Caddisflies of X genus and species have Y characteristics.

Test: Observation.

Conclusion: This one doesn't

Revise Hypothesis.


Yeah?

Strong inference involves manipulation and experiment though.

Four steps of strong inference:

1. Devising alternative hypotheses
2. Devising a crucial experiment.
3. Carrying out the experiment so to get a clean result.
4. Recycle, refine, rinse and repeat.

Since there is no experimentation in systematics I have to accept that systematics cannot utilize strong inference.

That is, until I devise some analogue. Maybe. If I even can.


Time to dust off the ol' Law of Fives...




Or, you could just conclude that Platt is full of shit, and carry on with your important scientific research.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Kai on February 11, 2010, 01:56:34 pm
Couldn't you consider your entire work one big experiment using the scientific method?

Hypothesis:  All Caddisflies of X genus and species have Y characteristics.

Test: Observation.

Conclusion: This one doesn't

Revise Hypothesis.


Yeah?

Strong inference involves manipulation and experiment though.

Four steps of strong inference:

1. Devising alternative hypotheses
2. Devising a crucial experiment.
3. Carrying out the experiment so to get a clean result.
4. Recycle, refine, rinse and repeat.

Since there is no experimentation in systematics I have to accept that systematics cannot utilize strong inference.

That is, until I devise some analogue. Maybe. If I even can.


Time to dust off the ol' Law of Fives...




Or, you could just conclude that Platt is full of shit, and carry on with your important scientific research.

If I concluded that Platt was full of shit (which he isn't, he has an important about getting to the root of problems rather than wandering around them in circles), then I would have to conclude that a certain professor of mine whom I hold in the highest regard, certainly higher than any other professor I have ever known, is also full of shit.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Richter on February 11, 2010, 02:00:34 pm
#5 is PROFIT or DESTROY THE FOOLS, IMHO
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on February 11, 2010, 03:22:55 pm
I say you just do the observe/compare stuff during the day, and at night, break into the lab and create something Evil.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Kai on February 11, 2010, 03:58:06 pm
Or perhaps I need to re-examine my definition of experiment, because apparently an experiment need not be manipulative, it can be observational or logical.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: LMNO on February 11, 2010, 04:01:19 pm
Or perhaps I need to re-examine my definition of experiment, because apparently an experiment need not be manipulative, it can be observational or logical.


Well, yeah.  But I think Richter has a good idea, too: After you redefine "experiment", get to the lab and concoct something that will terrorize the villagers.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Jasper on February 12, 2010, 03:54:58 am
Breed pond kittens to hunt people.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Template on February 12, 2010, 05:31:55 pm
Or perhaps I need to re-examine my definition of experiment, because apparently an experiment need not be manipulative, it can be observational or logical.

I was going to suggest that. agree.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 12, 2010, 07:19:46 pm
On a side note, I frequently talk to Kai on the phone, and it's always a pleasure.  He's constantly geeking out on his work, which is fascinating as hell...And the descriptions he gives of that work, and the environment he works in, reassures me that in at least one place, there are people trying to LEARN things, and to do the fun fucking research we should be promoting more often.

And that, in turn, makes it easier to get through my days in corporate drudgery land.

Kai is a man of the future, the future we were all supposed to have, before we let them steal it.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Kai on February 13, 2010, 01:41:25 am
On a side note, I frequently talk to Kai on the phone, and it's always a pleasure.  He's constantly geeking out on his work, which is fascinating as hell...And the descriptions he gives of that work, and the environment he works in, reassures me that in at least one place, there are people trying to LEARN things, and to do the fun fucking research we should be promoting more often.

And that, in turn, makes it easier to get through my days in corporate drudgery land.

Kai is a man of the future, the future we were all supposed to have, before we let them steal it.

That's the key there, Doktor. Before we LET them steal it. It's way too easy to let them take it, with food that rots the body and television that rots the mind, and all the other shallow addictions of the Machine in The City. It's effortless to loose sight of the glories of the universe, that we are as Bill Nye said, "really I'm just a speck, and compared to a star, the planet is another speck". Maybe that's the point of being mad scientists. We're like the sufis or the zen masters, people no one takes seriously so we're truly free to pursue that which thrills us in this cosmos.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Bu☆ns on February 13, 2010, 04:29:54 am
On a side note, I frequently talk to Kai on the phone, and it's always a pleasure.  He's constantly geeking out on his work, which is fascinating as hell...And the descriptions he gives of that work, and the environment he works in, reassures me that in at least one place, there are people trying to LEARN things, and to do the fun fucking research we should be promoting more often.

And that, in turn, makes it easier to get through my days in corporate drudgery land.

Kai is a man of the future, the future we were all supposed to have, before we let them steal it.

That's the key there, Doktor. Before we LET them steal it. It's way too easy to let them take it, with food that rots the body and television that rots the mind, and all the other shallow addictions of the Machine in The City. It's effortless to loose sight of the glories of the universe, that we are as Bill Nye said, "really I'm just a speck, and compared to a star, the planet is another speck". Maybe that's the point of being mad scientists. We're like the sufis or the zen masters, people no one takes seriously so we're truly free to pursue that which thrills us in this cosmos.

May I shrink you down and keep you in my pocket?  At least for a little while?
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Captain Utopia on February 13, 2010, 05:07:36 am
What if Kai could knock out clones of Kai?
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Remington on February 17, 2010, 08:51:33 am
A link, for the good Doktor:

http://www.neatorama.com/spotlight/2010/02/13/7-mad-science-experiments-you-can-do-at-home-but-probably-shouldnt/ (http://www.neatorama.com/spotlight/2010/02/13/7-mad-science-experiments-you-can-do-at-home-but-probably-shouldnt/)
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Iason Ouabache on February 17, 2010, 10:18:19 pm
A link, for the good Doktor:

http://www.neatorama.com/spotlight/2010/02/13/7-mad-science-experiments-you-can-do-at-home-but-probably-shouldnt/ (http://www.neatorama.com/spotlight/2010/02/13/7-mad-science-experiments-you-can-do-at-home-but-probably-shouldnt/)
:magick:

I want to do the phosphurus and nickel ones.
Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 17, 2010, 10:21:11 pm
A link, for the good Doktor:

http://www.neatorama.com/spotlight/2010/02/13/7-mad-science-experiments-you-can-do-at-home-but-probably-shouldnt/ (http://www.neatorama.com/spotlight/2010/02/13/7-mad-science-experiments-you-can-do-at-home-but-probably-shouldnt/)

Interesting, but there are no death rays.  Or giant mutant animals.

I mean, any fucking banker or oil exec can take over the world, just by buying it.  I want to do it in style.

Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Triple Zero on February 18, 2010, 08:33:04 am
Not to bitch on Remington's awesome find, I really do hate these "random cool stuf" websites that just steal content and fill it with ads to make money. Sure they included a tiny link to the original site:

http://www.graysci.com/index.html

Which probably has a lot more mad science experiments. And also video. Might be a few death rays, but no mutant animals, as far as I can tell.

Title: Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 09, 2018, 03:15:15 am
Bumping for Zenpatista, who is my co-conspirator in making people hate us for fixing their water.

They DID call us mad.  And we WILL show them all.