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Title: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 28, 2011, 02:08:01 pm
Some time ago somebody mentioned that they saw IM as more of a Kopyleft 'umbrella' company, in the sense that it could cover the field for a number of Discordian type publications.

Looking around this forum there is SO MUCH great talent. I want to take 25 works; rants, fiction, essays, etc, and compile them into a collection. The licensing ideally should allow the work to be shared, copied, redistributed AS A WHOLE while each author still maintains the rights over the use of their individual works. If possible, I also want to get a bio on each contributor, written by each other contributor.

I want to edit this collection, so I'll basically be contacting people to ask if I can use certain works that fit the vibe I like, but if you're aware of anything particularly good that you think should be included, let me know.

(The title will include the most interesting of the piece names instead of XX, so 'The Hobbit and other Stories' etc)

CONFIRMED

ME: Post Ego Gangster Blues (I obviously don't need to wait for permission)
CRAM: Gorillas in the Midst.
EoC: Statues and Cliffsides
Thatgreengentleman: two untitled works.
Cuddleshift: Unconfirmed piece; possibly The parable of Dog.

GuyBrush: Tales of the Foolish Master
Cain: Rules for Life
Discouke: The failwhale apocalypse
Sepia has indicated permission will probably be given for a work
Hoopla; The pathetic life of Oxo Marx

Nigel: Charon to Pluto, and two other short poems.
Epimetheus: untitled a.
LMNO: Work in this thread; not sure of title.
Sing Me a Lullaby: A nice night for a stroll.
Dr Howl: The Bastards Let Me Go Today (Harry gets Mad)

TGRR: Advice to a returning Vet.
Richter has a possible piece pending discussions with people who got first dibs.
Parents of the Year: The Dreadful Hours.

Also, considering doubling up on some people, as I don't know if I'll hit the fabled 25 you guys are just fucking awesome.

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Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Cramulus on July 28, 2011, 02:32:13 pm
that's a great idea, and kudos to you for grabbing the torch and running with it
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Luna on July 28, 2011, 02:33:52 pm
I love the idea.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Telarus on July 28, 2011, 05:36:00 pm
Awesome. As I'd like the Dialogo della Discordia project to share the Intermittens brand, I really appreciate you picking the brand up to get it out there before we get that 'translation' done.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Cuddlefish on July 28, 2011, 05:37:12 pm
Good idea is good.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 01, 2011, 01:49:23 pm
People are starting to get these;

Hey xxx

Just wanting to see if you'd be willing to let me use your piece 'xxx' for THIS project (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=29812.0).

Also if so, if you'd be willing to write short bio for a co-contributor.

Dingo
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Shai Hulud on August 03, 2011, 02:35:05 am
Hey Dingo, glad to see you are keeping intermittens alive.  Anything I can do?

If you're not looking for comics, I have some stories called "Koans of the Foolish Master" you might be able to use. 
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 03, 2011, 05:51:58 am
Hey Dingo, glad to see you are keeping intermittens alive.  Anything I can do?

If you're not looking for comics, I have some stories called "Koans of the Foolish Master" you might be able to use. 

Yes!

Link me to your kickarse work and tell me I can use it

Or

Link me to somebody else's kickarse work and I'll contact them personally.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Shai Hulud on August 03, 2011, 06:43:49 am
As always, any of my comics are free to use:
http://www.bonejangles.com
http://www.scribd.com/doc/37361058/Poor-Edgar
http://www.scribd.com/doc/59564100/Angulimala

And I will PM those stories to you.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: LMNO on August 03, 2011, 03:22:17 pm
I know I haven't done much recently, but I do have a backlog of material that might be of use.  Are you looking for any sort of theme in particular?
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Cuddlefish on August 03, 2011, 05:30:27 pm
Hey, Dingo.

Not sure if you were going to send me a pm, or if I'm supposed to post this here, but you have my permission to use whichever peice you feel suits the project best.

Just two things: If you could, credit me as Cuddlefish (as opposed to cuddleshift. I'll be Cuddlefish forever, however, I may onlly be Cuddleshift for another week, who knows  :fnord:). And, if you use Parable of Dog, it's just "Dog" (not the dog) and it's capitilized. It's a propper noun. He's the main character  :D
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 04, 2011, 12:16:21 pm
I know I haven't done much recently, but I do have a backlog of material that might be of use.  Are you looking for any sort of theme in particular?

Not explicitly a theme but mostly I'm after

-Fairly linear narratives (A beginning, middle and end, even if not in that order)

-Clear poetry and prose, rather than stream of conciousness.

-Again, fairly clear and crisp non fiction or personal accounts.

-Discordianesque themes are cool, but I'm avoiding anything explicitly discordian.


Link me up, because I'd love something from you.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 04, 2011, 12:44:34 pm
Hey, Dingo.

Not sure if you were going to send me a pm, or if I'm supposed to post this here, but you have my permission to use whichever peice you feel suits the project best.

Just two things: If you could, credit me as Cuddlefish (as opposed to cuddleshift. I'll be Cuddlefish forever, however, I may onlly be Cuddleshift for another week, who knows  :fnord:). And, if you use Parable of Dog, it's just "Dog" (not the dog) and it's capitilized. It's a propper noun. He's the main character  :D

Cool bananas. SOrry, meant to email you with loose plans.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Cuddlefish on August 04, 2011, 05:40:55 pm
Looking at what you have so far for contributions, this is looking like it's going to turn out pretty good. Let me know if there's anythiing else I can do to help.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 10, 2011, 05:51:20 am
Looking at what you have so far for contributions, this is looking like it's going to turn out pretty good. Let me know if there's anythiing else I can do to help.

Absolutely yes there's anything else; it can be hard for me to find what I waNt so if you can hunt anything down that's high quality, suits the tone if the works use described above and link me to it I'd be in your debt. Or just mail me any suggestions.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Cuddlefish on August 10, 2011, 06:32:52 am
Looking at what you have so far for contributions, this is looking like it's going to turn out pretty good. Let me know if there's anythiing else I can do to help.

Absolutely yes there's anything else; it can be hard for me to find what I waNt so if you can hunt anything down that's high quality, suits the tone if the works use described above and link me to it I'd be in your debt. Or just mail me any suggestions.

eh, I was just going to suggest something by Sepia, but it appears someone has already mentioned it to him. It's nice to see him included, that guy delivers consistantly.

Otherwise, I will keep an eye out.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Cuddlefish on August 11, 2011, 06:05:51 am
Looking at the list, I don't see Roger or LMNO on there. I'm almost positive either one of them has at least one thing they could contribute.

As far as doubling up, there's a handful of people on the list who could submit a second work under an alt name. It would make it seem like there were more people.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 11, 2011, 08:32:47 am
Lmno and Rog are challenges as they're talented writers without a lot that meets the tone I've described ( that I've seen)。Roger especially makes heavy use of metaphor and motif that starts to lose context outside of this forum.

So I'm not as familiar with their work as others may be so again; pm or post me recconendations. I have a poem of Rogers I will ask about but would love some longer works.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: LMNO on August 11, 2011, 02:35:03 pm
I've also forgotten what might have already been used in earlier issues.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 11, 2011, 03:03:13 pm
I've also forgotten what might have already been used in earlier issues.

This is meant to be a collection of high quality stuff, under the IM Brand without being an IM Magazine.

So let me know what you think your best and best suited work is, and that'll be the one.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Cuddlefish on August 11, 2011, 06:11:44 pm
Out of curiousity (didn't see it in the OP), what exactly is the theme/feel that you're looking for?
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 11, 2011, 10:51:09 pm
I know I haven't done much recently, but I do have a backlog of material that might be of use.  Are you looking for any sort of theme in particular?

Not explicitly a theme but mostly I'm after

-Fairly linear narratives (A beginning, middle and end, even if not in that order)

-Clear poetry and prose, rather than stream of conciousness.

-Again, fairly clear and crisp non fiction or personal accounts.

-Discordianesque themes are cool, but I'm avoiding anything explicitly discordian.


Link me up, because I'd love something from you.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 12, 2011, 12:27:47 am
Edgy/quirky/interesting, just left of mainstream, but still of broad appeal.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: LMNO on August 12, 2011, 07:03:11 pm
Here's something:

The whole damn human race, all of society, those stinking, dirty, human monkeys with their chattering!  Prattling on about insignificant bullshit that wasn't anything more than a noise that they made to keep themselves company.  It was worse than a herd of parrots, because at least those dumb beasts ("other dumb beasts," he corrected himself) didn't understand the meaning behind the sounds.

Then again, maybe the chattering monkeys didn't understand what was being understood, either.  Jack was sure they could probably break down the words into a sort of cheap, illegible dictionary. Maybe they could actually connect the sounds to the base meaning of each step of the sentence.  But could they connect the words together?  Could they form some sort of deeper meaning behind the sounds?  At what point did they perform a kind of self-lobotomy that rewired their brains, bypassing any sort of analysis, and linking what they've heard directly to the vocal cords?

Maybe it was simply a case of self-doubt.  There's a lot of doubt in the world, Jack thought, and that's to be expected.  But for generations, the monkeys deceived themselves.  No, that's not right.  They've always been deceiving themselves.  It was only natural to make first impressions, and jump to conclusions.  Hell, no one would ever get anything done without being able to do that.  But there seemed to be something that happened from that point.  The monkeys just... stopped.  "Good enough" was, well, good enough.  They built a wall up, keeping out anything that might tell them they were wrong the first time around.  That's where the re-wiring starts, he thought.  When they don't want to admit they're wrong.

So it's not self-doubt then.  It's pride.  The inability to admit mistakes.  Maybe that was the original sin.  The Sin of Pride wasn't about taking credit for your actions, or about feeling good when you've done well.  To be fair, it was true that bragging about it kind of sucks, because it's already happened.  You start living in the past; you figure you've got some sort of pass for inaction.  But that's not pride.  That's what some people wanted Pride to be, because, of, well, Pride.  Pride is what keeps you from admitting you're wrong.  So, someone twisted it around.  Someone fell into a deep pit of Pride, and decided that not only weren't they wrong, they couldn't be wrong.  Pride had to be something other than that.  So Pride became admitting you were actually good at something, not that you didn't know what was actually going on.

But without the fear of self-doubt, there'd be no Pride.  But who isn't afraid of being wrong?  If you admit you're wrong about one thing, then maybe no one will ever believe you again.  Then again, why should anyone believe anything they haven't already experienced for themselves?  Is this where faith came from?  Let's say I tell you that just around the corner, a gorilla is waiting to give you a sack full of dead roses and toaster ovens.  Whether you believe me or not depends on how often flora-and-house appliance-wielding primates have skulked around corners.  Experience, yeah?  Both faith and trust come from experience.  So, he'll believe you if you tell him something he already knows.  That's not trust, that's buying into Pride.  That's running head on into your own fear of self doubt.   

Jack's head started to spin with the whiskey and coffee. He tried to get his mind around the whole thing.  If you can't admit you're wrong, if you won't admit you're wrong, then you simply aren't.  You believe anything someone tells you that you agree with, and reject anything different.  Until experience comes along again, and kicks the chair out.  So, what's the answer?  Make everyone experience everything until no one needs to trust anyone anymore? Not enough years in a lifetime.  Trust was just as necessary as jumping to conclusions.

Jack took his cup of coffee-flavored whiskey to the ratty, beat-up couch and propped up his foot.  "Damn lying monkeys," he thought to himself.  When did the lie begin?  It could be said that the lie always existed.  We’ve been lying to ourselves since we began to receive information into our brains.  Because we naturally forget that what we see isn’t all that’s really out there, and we tell ourselves that what we see is Really Real Reality.  Even barring things like hallucinations and optical illusions, we’re not really getting the big picture.  Take gamma rays for example.  Have you ever seen a gamma ray?  No.  You might have seen a machine that supposedly clicks when it gets hit by a gamma ray, but all that’s really telling you is that "something" happened.

Jack closed his eyes, and squeezed hard on his lids.  Behind his eyes, the demon’s face appeared again.  It was happening more often now.  He couldn’t escape it when he was awake, either.  It used to just be part of his par for the course nightmares, but that one face started appearing more often.  It wasn’t that unique a demon, either.  Typical red eyes, pointed ears, big horns, toothy grin.  It wasn’t frightening, it was… annoying.  Like when your 6-year-old cousin tries scaring you, but does it over, and over, and over again.  Jack was pretty sure it was going to get creepy eventually.  The 6-year-old thing can get creepy too, if they keep at it long enough.  The fright moves behind the action, into the motivation: Why does he keep doing that?  What’s the hell is wrong with him?

In the case of the demon, it was more the insistence of Jack’s own head that was bothering him.  Why that image, why so… cliché?  It bothered Jack that his brain was being so trite and unoriginal.  "I mean, even if space aliens were beaming their mind-control lasers into my head, I doubt they’d resort to cheap tricks like that," he muttered to himself.  "I liked it better when it was images of impossible perverted sex acts.  At least then it was somewhat interesting."  He thought back, trying to remember when the dime-store horror image replaced the contorted writhing.  All he could come up with was sometime before That Weekend.  Not a "lost" weekend, as much as a "found" one.  It was one of those handfuls of days that seem to pop out of nowhere.

But that was a lie, as well.  Days don’t just pop up, they happen, over an over again.  And even grouping them into 7-piece sections, setting up expectations for certain days over others, that’s just a lie that’s been engraved into the brain so much that the stupid monkeys have made it into a fact.  They walk though their lie day, looking at lie things, thinking their lie thoughts.  Because when you have deceived yourself with Pride, lying becomes the easiest thing in the world.  But wait—doesn’t the lying come first?  The deeper lie, perhaps.  Somehow, certain people (monkeys) were able to convince other monkeys (people) that what they didn’t experience was true.  Then they convinced them that what they couldn’t experience was true.  Big whoppers, too.  Big enough to blanket the self-doubt, and then Pride comes along and seals the deal.

Jack scratched his head.  It was starting to come together now.  He put down his coffee cup on the floor and stared out the window.  The stupid monkeys.  Their lies.  Their Pride.  Where was he going with this?  The whiskey had gotten to him again, making him slow.  Jack was sure he was getting somewhere, something to do with why he always felt an impending weight on his shoulders, the imposition of some sort of "almost".  That "almost" was trapping him, holding him back, and keeping him in a holding pattern.  He waited. 
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: LMNO on August 12, 2011, 07:08:27 pm
Here's another one for consideration:

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=18809.0
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 17, 2011, 10:40:59 am
Here's something:

The whole damn human race, all of society, those stinking, dirty, human monkeys with their chattering!  Prattling on about insignificant bullshit that wasn't anything more than a noise that they made to keep themselves company.  It was worse than a herd of parrots, because at least those dumb beasts ("other dumb beasts," he corrected himself) didn't understand the meaning behind the sounds.

Then again, maybe the chattering monkeys didn't understand what was being understood, either.  Jack was sure they could probably break down the words into a sort of cheap, illegible dictionary. Maybe they could actually connect the sounds to the base meaning of each step of the sentence.  But could they connect the words together?  Could they form some sort of deeper meaning behind the sounds?  At what point did they perform a kind of self-lobotomy that rewired their brains, bypassing any sort of analysis, and linking what they've heard directly to the vocal cords?

Maybe it was simply a case of self-doubt.  There's a lot of doubt in the world, Jack thought, and that's to be expected.  But for generations, the monkeys deceived themselves.  No, that's not right.  They've always been deceiving themselves.  It was only natural to make first impressions, and jump to conclusions.  Hell, no one would ever get anything done without being able to do that.  But there seemed to be something that happened from that point.  The monkeys just... stopped.  "Good enough" was, well, good enough.  They built a wall up, keeping out anything that might tell them they were wrong the first time around.  That's where the re-wiring starts, he thought.  When they don't want to admit they're wrong.

So it's not self-doubt then.  It's pride.  The inability to admit mistakes.  Maybe that was the original sin.  The Sin of Pride wasn't about taking credit for your actions, or about feeling good when you've done well.  To be fair, it was true that bragging about it kind of sucks, because it's already happened.  You start living in the past; you figure you've got some sort of pass for inaction.  But that's not pride.  That's what some people wanted Pride to be, because, of, well, Pride.  Pride is what keeps you from admitting you're wrong.  So, someone twisted it around.  Someone fell into a deep pit of Pride, and decided that not only weren't they wrong, they couldn't be wrong.  Pride had to be something other than that.  So Pride became admitting you were actually good at something, not that you didn't know what was actually going on.

But without the fear of self-doubt, there'd be no Pride.  But who isn't afraid of being wrong?  If you admit you're wrong about one thing, then maybe no one will ever believe you again.  Then again, why should anyone believe anything they haven't already experienced for themselves?  Is this where faith came from?  Let's say I tell you that just around the corner, a gorilla is waiting to give you a sack full of dead roses and toaster ovens.  Whether you believe me or not depends on how often flora-and-house appliance-wielding primates have skulked around corners.  Experience, yeah?  Both faith and trust come from experience.  So, he'll believe you if you tell him something he already knows.  That's not trust, that's buying into Pride.  That's running head on into your own fear of self doubt.   

Jack's head started to spin with the whiskey and coffee. He tried to get his mind around the whole thing.  If you can't admit you're wrong, if you won't admit you're wrong, then you simply aren't.  You believe anything someone tells you that you agree with, and reject anything different.  Until experience comes along again, and kicks the chair out.  So, what's the answer?  Make everyone experience everything until no one needs to trust anyone anymore? Not enough years in a lifetime.  Trust was just as necessary as jumping to conclusions.

Jack took his cup of coffee-flavored whiskey to the ratty, beat-up couch and propped up his foot.  "Damn lying monkeys," he thought to himself.  When did the lie begin?  It could be said that the lie always existed.  We’ve been lying to ourselves since we began to receive information into our brains.  Because we naturally forget that what we see isn’t all that’s really out there, and we tell ourselves that what we see is Really Real Reality.  Even barring things like hallucinations and optical illusions, we’re not really getting the big picture.  Take gamma rays for example.  Have you ever seen a gamma ray?  No.  You might have seen a machine that supposedly clicks when it gets hit by a gamma ray, but all that’s really telling you is that "something" happened.

Jack closed his eyes, and squeezed hard on his lids.  Behind his eyes, the demon’s face appeared again.  It was happening more often now.  He couldn’t escape it when he was awake, either.  It used to just be part of his par for the course nightmares, but that one face started appearing more often.  It wasn’t that unique a demon, either.  Typical red eyes, pointed ears, big horns, toothy grin.  It wasn’t frightening, it was… annoying.  Like when your 6-year-old cousin tries scaring you, but does it over, and over, and over again.  Jack was pretty sure it was going to get creepy eventually.  The 6-year-old thing can get creepy too, if they keep at it long enough.  The fright moves behind the action, into the motivation: Why does he keep doing that?  What’s the hell is wrong with him?

In the case of the demon, it was more the insistence of Jack’s own head that was bothering him.  Why that image, why so… cliché?  It bothered Jack that his brain was being so trite and unoriginal.  "I mean, even if space aliens were beaming their mind-control lasers into my head, I doubt they’d resort to cheap tricks like that," he muttered to himself.  "I liked it better when it was images of impossible perverted sex acts.  At least then it was somewhat interesting."  He thought back, trying to remember when the dime-store horror image replaced the contorted writhing.  All he could come up with was sometime before That Weekend.  Not a "lost" weekend, as much as a "found" one.  It was one of those handfuls of days that seem to pop out of nowhere.

But that was a lie, as well.  Days don’t just pop up, they happen, over an over again.  And even grouping them into 7-piece sections, setting up expectations for certain days over others, that’s just a lie that’s been engraved into the brain so much that the stupid monkeys have made it into a fact.  They walk though their lie day, looking at lie things, thinking their lie thoughts.  Because when you have deceived yourself with Pride, lying becomes the easiest thing in the world.  But wait—doesn’t the lying come first?  The deeper lie, perhaps.  Somehow, certain people (monkeys) were able to convince other monkeys (people) that what they didn’t experience was true.  Then they convinced them that what they couldn’t experience was true.  Big whoppers, too.  Big enough to blanket the self-doubt, and then Pride comes along and seals the deal.

Jack scratched his head.  It was starting to come together now.  He put down his coffee cup on the floor and stared out the window.  The stupid monkeys.  Their lies.  Their Pride.  Where was he going with this?  The whiskey had gotten to him again, making him slow.  Jack was sure he was getting somewhere, something to do with why he always felt an impending weight on his shoulders, the imposition of some sort of "almost".  That "almost" was trapping him, holding him back, and keeping him in a holding pattern.  He waited. 


Yep, using this. Cheers!
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 17, 2011, 02:01:22 pm
Lmno and Rog are challenges as they're talented writers without a lot that meets the tone I've described ( that I've seen)。Roger especially makes heavy use of metaphor and motif that starts to lose context outside of this forum.

Oddly enough, I've reposted stuff elsewhere, and didn't seem to have any problem with people getting it.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 17, 2011, 02:04:06 pm
Lmno and Rog are challenges as they're talented writers without a lot that meets the tone I've described ( that I've seen)。Roger especially makes heavy use of metaphor and motif that starts to lose context outside of this forum.

Oddly enough, I've reposted stuff elsewhere, and didn't seem to have any problem with people getting it.

Possibly I'm just giving too little credit to the readers.

Also, I'm getting angsty waiting for Richter to reply; I really want one of his works in particular. Somebody kick him for me.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Dimocritus on August 17, 2011, 06:28:38 pm
Lmno and Rog are challenges as they're talented writers without a lot that meets the tone I've described ( that I've seen)。Roger especially makes heavy use of metaphor and motif that starts to lose context outside of this forum.

Oddly enough, I've reposted stuff elsewhere, and didn't seem to have any problem with people getting it.

Possibly I'm just giving too little credit to the readers.

Also, I'm getting angsty waiting for Richter to reply; I really want one of his works in particular. Somebody kick him for me.

He just got back from a weeks excursion. I'm sure he's resting, and will get back to you when he's recovered.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on September 30, 2011, 05:21:21 pm
Rough Draft (only viewable via link,)

Pending feedback and some Spags final confirmation of approval for use (emails been sent).

Also I need bios. Changing how we do this; IF anyone would like to churn out about 100 words on themselves or another contributor, please post it ITT. No limit to how many you can do. I'll take on any left over.

Also, I want one or two introductions, generally on the theme of Intermittens/internet/amateur writing/the value of creativity etc. So I can do this, but I'd love to get this from someone else, so I can just focus on a general overview.

INTERMITTENS PRESENTS: THE FAIL WHALE APOCALYPSE AND OTHER STORIES (https://docs.google.com/document/d/17INd80Dr4zUWEZcToq3ElzBcrGJc8q0zHi-4ubZet2U/edit?hl=en_US)
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on September 30, 2011, 05:25:10 pm
So this is a chance to hit me with

- I think a better order would be...

- I'd rather be attributed as...

- Holy fuck, there's a legal issue...

- Holy shit, I just has a cool idea...

- Dingo, you're a sexy beast, let's...

And so on.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Cramulus on September 30, 2011, 05:44:56 pm
fuckin awesome

printed it out, I'll have a look at lunch
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 30, 2011, 07:06:05 pm
I think it looks great! I'll try to whip out a bio for myself and maybe some other random spag this weekend. I think I may have already done one for someone?
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Cramulus on September 30, 2011, 07:22:27 pm
I think it looks great! You have a good mix of different types of writing. They're spaced out well, so it doesn't get too monotonous reading 4 poems in a row, then 4 rants in a row, etc.

My one word of warning would be to square out the permissions before you go to print. A copyright page is necessary, because people have different levels of protection for their work. I'm not taking any special precautions with my stuff (you can mark it Creative Commons or Public Domain or whatever the magazine is using). But Roger and Cain and Nigel often have different licenses for their stuff. And I'm not sure about the other authors. May want to check the kopyleft thread.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on October 01, 2011, 12:41:04 am
Yeah we need intro and bios before finalizing; this is just a copy to get feedback.

Copyright page was going to basically say: all used with permission, contact author for specific associated rights.

I haven't got any bios off you yet Nigel.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Telarus on October 01, 2011, 04:12:23 am
You know PopJellyfish?
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on October 01, 2011, 05:18:00 am
No but his work is listed as (k) in the copyleft images. Cover ideas are tentative at this stage too. If you have contact with him pm me so I can confirm an ok.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Telarus on October 01, 2011, 06:40:56 am
Ha, forgot he posted here for a bit. If it was an image posted by him here, then it's fine.


Do you need help laying out the title page?
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on October 01, 2011, 07:02:09 am
Ha, forgot he posted here for a bit. If it was an image posted by him here, then it's fine.


Do you need help laying out the title page?

Yes! That would be brilliant! Thank you.

Hit me here or PM me with any questions.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Telarus on October 01, 2011, 07:25:58 am
Sure, what are your first impressions for the cover page. Mine would be to zoom the image until it bleeds "off the page" I.E. no white border) and then start laying out title and credits from there....
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on October 01, 2011, 07:40:14 am
Sure, what are your first impressions for the cover page. Mine would be to zoom the image until it bleeds "off the page" I.E. no white border) and then start laying out title and credits from there....

Design in mind was a image with little words 'intermittens presents...' up the top, and some mittens. Then fairly big writing 'The fail whale apocalypse' (on top, or on the left) big words 'and other stories (opposite side).

Making the cover in google docs seems a bad idea. Probably it'll be better to have a high quality image file I can make the full size of a page, then save the whole as a PDF.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Dimocritus on October 01, 2011, 03:24:52 pm
Hrmm, link just takes me to a log in page, do I need an account to view? Either way, very happy this is back in motion. Can't wait to see it.

Who wants a bio written by Cuddlefish? I can write a few.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on October 01, 2011, 03:32:59 pm
You may need a google account.

I'd willingly grab a bio from you.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Triple Zero on October 01, 2011, 05:13:55 pm
I wanna DIMOBIO! CAN I HAZ?
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: BadBeast on October 03, 2011, 09:17:05 am
If you're still open to submissions, and you want bio pieces, you're welcome to use this, from the "Discordians Anonymous" thread


My name is BadBeast, and I'm a Discordian.
 I get pissed off when people say "Discordianism is a choice"  that we somehow make, just to be morally repugnant to
those who choose to be ruled by their fear.
Just because we don't fit some mythical 'norm' that they think is the rock of all things, some bit of moral flotsam they all cling to, in their valiant fight against having some kind of original thought.
Anyway,  I was always a Discordian. Born a Discordian. I know this now. I can see that many of the adults to whom my care was entrusted, when I was a child could sense this 'otherness' too.  Only back then, no-one had even heard the term 'Discordian'.
So I was diagnosed at school, first as a  'Troublemaker' then as a 'Clown', and by
the time my formal education was drawing to a close, a 'Infuriating little fuck'.

Of course,  I was into rebelling against stuff, but all the usual things kids rebelled against, parental sanction, punitive schoolwork, were beneath my consideration.
Oh, It was expedient to pay some kind of lip sevice to the rules, so this I did, without any trace of resentment. Then totally dismissed them.
By the time I was 12, I knew I was more intelligent than most of my Teachers. If this sounds like arrogance, then it probably is.  But at 12, you are constantly being told that you are wrong, and that adults were always right. So for a while, I entertained the thought that there was something wrong with my cognitive process. I really did.
Almost had me believing it too. If it wasn't for their desperate need to be right,
without putting forward any kind of supporting argument, I might have gone on beleiving. (But probably not) 
 
By the time I was 14, some of the brighter Teachers also began to suspect that I was more intelligent than them. Rather than encourage my often tangental derailing of their boring lessons, this realisation made them hostile, frustrated, and resentful,
as if I was doing it, just to undermine their illusion of control. (Which, by that time, I probably was)
I would watch them interact with each other. Most of my Teachers were hopeless at  any kind of Adult relationships. They treated everyone as if they were children.  Which generally leaves them a very small demographic from which to attempt to coax any kind of social life. Basically, other Teachers. Who were generally equally as hopeless at peer group dynamics as they were. 
 
 I began to start bullying people at school. Not other kids though. Well, not very often. I bullied Teachers. More specifically, I bullied bad Teachers. The ones who delighted in creating an atmosphere of terror in their 11 year old classes as a tactic to squash any hope of rebellion for the next 5 years.
They didn't like me much. I was disruptive in class. Disagreeing with their
curriculum. Pretending not to grasp some of the easier concepts they were trying to teach. Like simple tropisms in plants and insects. Or deliberately getting Photosynthesis back to front. Every time.

Letting them almost get through an entire experiment demonstrating simple polymer chains, and molecular bonding, before 'accidently' setting fire to a pile of textbooks, with a carelessly close Bunsen burner,
or (with one particularly anally retentive Technical Drawing Teacher) burgling his classroom at lunchtime, and ensuring that there were no 4H Pencils for the lesson,
only 2B's, that had all had some 'percussive adjustment' in order to break the leads,
thus ensuring maximum disruption during his lesson. I would also knock dents in the straight edges of all the T Squares, to deliberately minimise the chances of anyone actually producing a straight line for the whole term of twice weekly double lessons.

He was obsessive / compulsive on tidyness, straightness, and dirt. The first year Pupils were all made to go through some kind of military inspection, for tied shoelaces, and clean hands before he would let them in the classroom, that's how much of a martinet he was. So I liked to make sure there were only soft leaded, smudgy, 2B Pencils in his cupboards. I'd also Blunt all the compasses tips, so they skidded across pristine white sheets of crisp, A4 125gsm wove cartridge paper.
   
Once, I locked him in his supply cupboard at the end of a Lesson. For three hours.
He thought the wind had blown the door shut.
He was eventually asked to take early retirement, after his habit of nipping off to the Rabbits shed for a nip of Bells Whisky, every 20 minutes was discovered.  By 2.30pm each day, he become a  'Drunken old Perv'.  Which led to him getting a serious grope habit going with the fourth year girls who took care of the Rabbits. Dirty old fucker.
He may well have flown a Hurricane in WWII, but he was still a gropy, sadistic old bastard, so I took delight in fucking with him.

I could spend the whole of any lesson time, deliberately and systematically
raeping their composure, their discipline, and their ability to look at a sea of childrens faces every morning, without feeling like a Stag, brought to bay by a pack of  rabid, monstrous goblins. I really felt sorry for some of them, all I was doing, really, was seeing how good they were at their jobs, then concentrating on their weak points, Like how to keep any semblance of control over 30 bored kids, when there's an unmedicated Discordian, covertly in control of their lessons.
Especially as I would turn in exemplary homework (if I could be bothered at all)  and Ace any tests or exams.

My report from my Art Teacher.

"BadBeast wastes time and materials, and has failed to put any effort or care into his work. Has no concentration, of aptitude in this subject Very poor show"

The Bitch!
I thought I was really trying hard in Art, but the Teacher was such a smoking hot foxy peach of a thing, all jiggly tits, low cut tops, and legs that went on for miles, that it was all any boy could do to take his eyes off her slinky, slutty, flesh for even a moment. She was burned into the back of my retinas like a stroboscopic fap mag,
what's more, she knew exactly what effect she was having on the boys, and lapped up every minute of it. Then had the brass neck to say I wasn't putting in the effort.  Fucking Troll!

Anyway, by the end, I think I'd been instrumental in at least three Teachers having to take time off for nervous exhaustion. I was trying to help them become better Teachers, I can see that now, maybe I unconsciously set the bar too high for them.
I look back and sometimes feel that I failed them in some way!  Maybe I could have
eased up on the pressure a little, but hey, I was only a kid, Goddamnit!   
I didn't realise the importance of what I was supposed to be doing, and must have accidently at least half of my Teachers without even trying!
The pressure of trying to educate these fools, was such a stress on me, that I spent most  of my last Summer skiving off with the cool Punk Girls, sniffing glue, drinking scrumpy, and shagging around like a dog with two dicks.  Quite an education in itself, that was.
But all in all, I thoroughly enjoyed School.   

More later if anyone gives  a rats arse, on "How I learned to ride roughshod over the forces of Law 'n' Order,  subsume bucketfuls of LSD and eventually learned to love Lady Eris, and embrace her lulzy Discord.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on October 03, 2011, 12:39:06 pm
Thanks BB. I might skip it because I'm making a point of avoiding explicitly discordian works.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: BadBeast on October 03, 2011, 01:08:28 pm
No worries.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Cramulus on October 03, 2011, 02:24:14 pm
from the Intermittens project page (http://blackironprison.com/index.php?title=Intermittens):

Presenting Intermittens. Intermittens is a periodical journal of Discordian diarrhea - an incontinent splattering of juicy ideas and corny jokes. Originally produced by the irreverant spags of the Peedy cabal, Intermittens is an expanding attempt to document some of the antics going on today in the Discordian Society. Every issue has a different editor. All content (unless otherwise marked) is from / for the public domain.

This project is an attempt to create an open-source Discordian magazine. We encourage anyone, even you, to haphazardly throw together an issue of what you think is cool. The project itself is a Golden Apple Seed Mission, or GASM, meaning we want your help! We need people who have writing, graphic, and layout skillz. We also need people with the balls to edit their own issue of Intermittens and join the elite Editor Cabal. Do you have what it takes? No, you don't; none of us do. That's why we're making DIY magazines and not professional ones. And that's why we need more cooks to foul the broth.

Intermittens is being published on a (roughly) monthly schedule. If you're interested in helping out, check in at principiadiscordia.com/forum and martyr yourself for the cause. In any case, we hope you dig it. And by all means, share. Send the PDFs on to people you know, people you love, people you hate, hamsters, and other creatures.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on October 07, 2011, 10:09:03 am
I have the go ahead from everyone. I now just need to write an intro.

If anyone else would be interested in adding a forward, let me know.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on October 09, 2011, 01:42:55 pm
Quote
In #### the Principia Discordia forum created an exciting little concept and named it Intermittens. Intermittens was a collaborative project, a monthly (or so) webzine with a different creative team behind each issue. To edit an edition all you had to do was throw up your hand and say 'me, me!' Content, images, layout; everything was provided by an amateur team of creative passionate individuals.

Potential was seen for bigger things though. More than a regular magazine, Intermittens was seen as an open source publishing house,  capable of a wide variety of projects.

This file you now possess is the first of these works. It features 25 works from the creative minds busy making madness at Principia Discordia.com. Some have a Discordian bent, some don't. They range from the small to the large, the vulgar to the elegant, the funny to the touching. 

All works are used with permission and published under the author's screen name. For reprinting rights, you can contact the author via the forums at www.Principiadiscordia.com or intermittens@gmail.com. 

Please enjoy.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on October 25, 2011, 11:46:50 am
OK I have a document complete with a pretty decent cover. I'm starting to churn out a contents page. I NEEDS BIOS!

I've added The Parable of Rabbits and Foxes also.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Cramulus on October 25, 2011, 02:21:57 pm
Professor Cramulus was invented by HIMEOBS Electronics in 1982. He has been on a quest to discover the Lost Society of Discordia, a legendary or nonexistent tribe of total spags. During this voyage, Cramulus inadvertently decimated several indigenous cultures and feels terrible about it. He is the Ballpipe world champion, and placed in the finals of the FUCKING ORANGE EATING CONTEST. He is currently living as a monk in residence at the Main Way Monastery and Waffle House in Tarrytown, New York.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on October 25, 2011, 02:27:24 pm
Cool. So feel to write your own bio or someone else's. Or both
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Cramulus on October 25, 2011, 02:47:01 pm
Eater of Clowns is an enigma. Does he eat clowns because he hates them? Because he likes the taste? Does he consume joy, like some kind of ant-eater of mirth? I once asked Eater of Clowns what his name means, and it turns out he just loves the taste of pancake makeup.


Cuddlefish aka Cuddleshift aka Cuddlefist aka Dimo, has been leading a three year misinformation campaign conducted through anonymous newspaper articles and letters to the editor. He has large portions of Rhode Island convinced that the Discordian Society has infiltrated the upper echelons of their state government. Actually, that is misinformation: there are no large portions of Rhode Island.


DiscoUkelele is a fine Discordian specimen and will be appreciated for generations from within his exhibit in the Museum of Natural History.

Sepia is a Norwegian writer whose entire body is composed of fog. A team of explorers ventured into Sepia in late 2011 and returned with the only existing photographs of the Bourbon Chasm, approximately 3177 feet beneath the surface.

That Green Gentleman found herself out of work at the end of the Vaudville period and invented Battle Tap, (commonly known as Extreme Tap Dancing), as a way to get by. She is currently in training to punch a horse right in the face. One day that horse might be you.

GuyBrush washed ashore wearing a combination of Michael Jackson's outfit from Thriller and the rear half of a donkey costume. Too traumatized to speak, we must assume he is a refugee or time traveler.


Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 25, 2011, 11:56:17 pm
Am I still too locked in PD-specific metaphor, or do you want to use my stuff?
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on October 26, 2011, 06:32:33 am
Hey sorry if I've been unclear. I was using the harry gets mad piece and letters to a returning vet.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on October 26, 2011, 02:31:58 pm
Next step is adding bios, but here's what I've got so far (http://www.scribd.com/doc/70227073/Fail-Whale). Won't promote it until bios are added and I check on a few things with people.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on October 31, 2011, 01:58:14 pm
Also, if you're included, this is a good time to let me know if you have any webpages, ebays, etsys, blogs, facebooks, whatever you want me to add to your bio.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 01, 2011, 01:34:36 pm
Squids, we are DONE and it looks fuckoff AWESOME.

I can still make changes to bios or anything without the link changing, so let me know but, right now all I really want if for you guys to help me PROMO THE HELL out of it.

LINK: http://www.scribd.com/doc/70227073/Fail-Whale
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Telarus on November 01, 2011, 01:50:50 pm
Dude, good job with the cover (sorry October ate my time and I couldn't help out with that). Will spread far and wide!
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Cramulus on November 01, 2011, 01:52:34 pm
Great to see it done! This is a great collection of writing, I'll be glad to have it on my coffee table / bathroom / leave copies in places.

Could I offer some style feedback?
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 01, 2011, 02:23:51 pm
Thanks Tel.

Cram, for sure but I can't promise to know how to make it happen.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Cramulus on November 01, 2011, 02:32:08 pm
Okay, so this is all "nonprofessional" advice...

Style-wise, it looks kind of generic...  You're using the default fonts and headings, no? It looks like stuff was copied and pasted into a MS Word document... with a little love, people will be more likely to pick it up and read it through.

For the main bodies of each piece, I think you should go with a serif'd font. It's a bit easier to read for blocks of text. Garamond or Bookman would be my recommendation, definitely not Times New Roman.

Pick a cool font for headings (maybe one of these? (http://www.1001freefonts.com/headline-fonts.php))
Set the authors' names under the title in a smaller, sans-serif font

(BTW - if you're using MS Word, you don't have to change everything individually. Go to the Format menu, click Styles and Formattings, and you'll see all the document styles on the right. From there, you can modify the style and it'll affect each time it occurs during the piece.)

The Fail Whale Apocalypse badly needs line breaks.

On the internet, it's common to use a blank line to start a new paragraph. For printed text, indentation looks better.

The body might look slicker if it were justified. And as it's a "magazine", and an 8x11 page, things might look better in two columns.

The author bios would be better seated at the end of the author's piece.

The Introduction page has an extraneous semicolon after the word introduction.

You really shouldn't have three untitled pieces in the same booklet - as an editor, you're licensed to pick a title. If you're stuck, pick a word or phrase from the first sentence.

Statues and Cliffsides - the heading font is an irregular size

Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Triple Zero on November 01, 2011, 05:18:17 pm
On the internet, it's common to use a blank line to start a new paragraph. For printed text, indentation looks better.

I just picked up some random news papers, some don't even indent, just start on a new line. Hardly any of them use a blank line.

If you really want to, in Word "paragraph styles" (or something) you can set the paragraph spacing to half a line height. But no blank lines!

Quote
The body might look slicker if it were justified. And as it's a "magazine", and an 8x11 page, things might look better in two columns.

Personally I'd advise against justified lines. Especially if you also create columns, there's a good chance you'll get whitespace "rivers", that is, sometimes word spacing gets kind of big, and if that happens on consecutive lines, they will often visually line up and for large white empty blotches that are ugly and visually distracting.

That's probably clearer from the picture on this page: http://www.newsletterfillers.com/archives/design/river_runs_through_it.htm
(even though, those "rivers" are still quite subtle, they can get much worse with longer words).

Additionally I heard that people's eyes can track ragged edges more easily than flat justified ones, because it gives the eye some landmark to remember what line it was on. But this page says this theory is disputed, so you can go either way:

http://www.newsletterfillers.com/archives/design/river_runs_through_it.htm

Either way you choose, you need to pick a nice line length. For both ragged and justified goes that they look visually nicer with longer lines. But lines that are too long are hard to read. Generally anywhere between 45 and 75 characters (including spaces) is good, and 66 is considered optimal. At least that's what this site tells me: http://webtypography.net/Rhythm_and_Proportion/Horizontal_Motion/2.1.2/

Also, blablablablabla. Sorry this is way too detailed and nitpicky advice.

Go with what Cram said, very solid advice. Just watch out for rivers and don't make your lines too short or too long.

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You really shouldn't have three untitled pieces in the same booklet - as an editor, you're licensed to pick a title. If you're stuck, pick a word or phrase from the first sentence.

Please do this!

"Untitled" is a really crappy name for a piece, unless there's actually some self-referential reason why it's called like that. Or if it is a completely white painting.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 02, 2011, 06:54:07 am
I'll be doing the easier parts of this soon, but it is Novemeber; that means report cards and NaMoWriMo. So it will all get done in time, but if there's anyone willing to root around with the design elements and send it back to me, PM me and I'll send you a PDF or word file.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Cramulus on November 02, 2011, 01:36:44 pm
send me a word file, I'll poke at it
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 02, 2011, 02:03:09 pm
Cramulus@principiadiscordia.com?
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Cramulus on November 03, 2011, 04:44:39 pm
check it: http://www.scribd.com/doc/71454024/Intermittens-The-Fail-Whale-Apocalypse-and-Other-Stories


what do you think?
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Cramulus on November 03, 2011, 05:01:53 pm
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-wHhNrMYO2hs/TrLInznZ99I/AAAAAAAABjA/slOex0RkAkE/s640/IMAG0155.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ykwMXHoz_5c/TrLI7P_cZvI/AAAAAAAABjI/VjiY-OPMp2Y/s800/IMAG0156.jpg)


feeling SEXAYYY
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Triple Zero on November 03, 2011, 05:31:10 pm
check it: http://www.scribd.com/doc/71454024/Intermittens-The-Fail-Whale-Apocalypse-and-Other-Stories


what do you think?

I think it looks absolutely GORGEOUS!! Very well done!

Tiny nitpicks (though it's fine as it is, nothing is really critically wrong or anything)

- I like the way you put the mittens in Intermittens :) Though I wonder, why are the mittens translucent and striped?
- The horizontal lines in the TOC are broken in a semi random fashion. It's just tiny gaps, maybe they won't even show up in print.
- page 2, the URLs: in my opinion, you only underline URLs on an actual webpage when they're clickable. These look like URLs cause they're underlined, but I can't click them! This itches :) I would suggest using a subtle monospace font (Consolas is very nice and not too Courier-ish). Also do this with the URL in the last paragraph and the email address.
- Page 3, loving the huge title pages. Bet they look even awesomer in print.
- Page 5, you might want to shrink the paragraph indent spacing in half or so. See the break halfway the left column? It nearly breaks in two.
- Page 6, after "exaggerated", that's a really big whitespace river. You might try hyphenation. IIRC Word has a special character called the "shy hyphen", which is usually invisible, except when it happens to break a word over two lines. That way if you edit the text later on you won't get a hyp-hen half-way the line if they linebreaks move to other positions.
- Page 9, the italicised word "real" is not just italic, but also in a different (sans serif) typeface. Is that intentional? Because the italic variant of the current (serif) body font probably looks really nice, too.
- Same on Page 14, so I guess it's intentional.
- Page 16, last line. That's just ... unjustified.
- Page 17, Nigel's poem, a bit more line spacing?
- Page 18-21, Hoopla's Oxo piece, dashes before the the quotes look really weird. Also the italics are inconsistent.
- Page 22, "x files" should be "X Files" (or "X-Files"?) and probably italic since it's a title.
- Page 23, "Philip K Dick" should have a period after the K. Also the last line's justification is out of whack again.
- Page 24, quotes from a chatlog should probably be monospaced
- Page 31, the last section heading is orphaned.
- Page 32, a couple of last lines of sections are force-justified. Also on further pages in Cain's piece.
- Page 39, last line is a smaller font size?
- Koans of the Foolish Master has some force-justified paragraph endings again. Section "Lots" is set in the wrong font.
- Statues and Cliffsides has a light grey background? (also happened on page 3 btw) The font also changes halfway (you should probably change the first half to the serif body font)
- Page 59, grey background again. Dunno if this shows up in print, btw.
- Page 62, last line is wrong font
- Page 63-64, not sure if the double line spacing works here. Maybe use 1.5 line spacing?
- Page 77, force justification strikes again
- 78-1, the biographies are in a different serif font as the body, it looks like? (Bookman?) Use Monospace Consolas on the URL in Placid Dingo's bio, also it's blue. You might want to give the [redacted] in Dr Howl's bio a different style (italic, or sans-serif font)
- The last page is has page number 1. You might keep it though, it's kinda funny :)

Ok wow that's a lot of feedback :) I didn't expect it was so long!

But it is LONG!!

Great job! It looks absolutely stunning for the most part!

I would definitely reduce the indent at the paragraph starts somewhat, there's a lot of pages where it sort of makes the lines seemingly go all over the place.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 03, 2011, 05:58:51 pm
It's beautiful!
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 03, 2011, 06:06:53 pm
It's beautiful!

TGG's gonna shit.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Eater of Clowns on November 03, 2011, 08:32:39 pm
This is pretty.  I think I'll have to make a trip to Kinko's.

Actually Cram, your incredible collection of materials I saw at the Meatup has me thinking I should start my own collection.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Cramulus on November 03, 2011, 08:59:08 pm
Tiny nitpicks (though it's fine as it is, nothing is really critically wrong or anything)

As always, feedback is 169% welcome and appreciated.

I've updated the PDF, check it!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/71454024/Intermittens-The-Fail-Whale-Apocalypse-and-Other-Stories

Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 03, 2011, 10:22:39 pm
Thank you so so much everyone.

Will look this arvi. Can't believe how fast a meatspace copy came out.

Will update the file I uploaded so people using the old link still get the current versiOn.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Dimocritus on November 10, 2011, 06:00:27 am
Fantastic job, dude. Sorry I temporarily lost my shit and dropped my involvement, I regret not having done Trips bio  :sad:

Regardless, mittens all around.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Triple Zero on November 10, 2011, 01:44:09 pm
Fantastic job, dude. Sorry I temporarily lost my shit and dropped my involvement, I regret not having done Trips bio  :sad:

Um that's okay cause I don't think anything of mine is actually in there :?

The correct incorrect wrong numbers are in your intermittels.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Dimocritus on November 11, 2011, 03:32:02 pm
Fantastic job, dude. Sorry I temporarily lost my shit and dropped my involvement, I regret not having done Trips bio  :sad:

Um that's okay cause I don't think anything of mine is actually in there :?

The correct incorrect wrong numbers are in your intermittels.

 :oops:
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Triple Zero on November 11, 2011, 06:34:42 pm
Fantastic job, dude. Sorry I temporarily lost my shit and dropped my involvement, I regret not having done Trips bio  :sad:

Um that's okay cause I don't think anything of mine is actually in there :?

The correct incorrect wrong numbers are in your intermittels.

 :oops:

Well it's my fault, I asked for one ITT:

I wanna DIMOBIO! CAN I HAZ?

But you were offering them and I was like YEAH I WANT ONE

Sorry for being confusing :)
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on February 09, 2012, 07:24:04 am
I want a physical copy. Does anyone mind if I put this on Lulu? I don't want to make any profit (but obviously Lulu would).

I can check with people independently also, I just figured if I post here it'll be quicker than harassing everyone via PM from the get go.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 05, 2013, 06:27:31 pm
Lmno and Rog are challenges as they're talented writers without a lot that meets the tone I've described ( that I've seen)。Roger especially makes heavy use of metaphor and motif that starts to lose context outside of this forum.

...He said, before using a bunch of my shit here, and then jumping right on board with Loveshade actually stealing my shit.

Why does Roger hate the Dingo?

Fuck, I don't know.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 05, 2013, 06:30:42 pm
Lmno and Rog are challenges as they're talented writers without a lot that meets the tone I've described ( that I've seen)。Roger especially makes heavy use of metaphor and motif that starts to lose context outside of this forum.

...He said, before using a bunch of my shit here, and then jumping right on board with Loveshade actually stealing my shit.

Why does Roger hate the Dingo?

Fuck, I don't know.

It was also a bullshit statement because you and LMNO are two of the writers whose work seems to stand up best outside of the forum, and have brought many many new people here looking for where it came from.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 05, 2013, 06:32:07 pm
Lmno and Rog are challenges as they're talented writers without a lot that meets the tone I've described ( that I've seen)。Roger especially makes heavy use of metaphor and motif that starts to lose context outside of this forum.

...He said, before using a bunch of my shit here, and then jumping right on board with Loveshade actually stealing my shit.

Why does Roger hate the Dingo?

Fuck, I don't know.

It was also a bullshit statement because you and LMNO are two of the writers whose work seems to stand up best outside of the forum, and have brought many many new people here looking for where it came from.

My guess is that he was already a member of the "Loveshade Family" at this point, and felt the need to say something shitty about Loveshade's detractors.

Nowdays, when I see him here, I automatically assume he's digging for content for Loveshade's next book.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 05, 2013, 06:34:43 pm
Lmno and Rog are challenges as they're talented writers without a lot that meets the tone I've described ( that I've seen)。Roger especially makes heavy use of metaphor and motif that starts to lose context outside of this forum.

...He said, before using a bunch of my shit here, and then jumping right on board with Loveshade actually stealing my shit.

Why does Roger hate the Dingo?

Fuck, I don't know.

It was also a bullshit statement because you and LMNO are two of the writers whose work seems to stand up best outside of the forum, and have brought many many new people here looking for where it came from.

My guess is that he was already a member of the "Loveshade Family" at this point, and felt the need to say something shitty about Loveshade's detractors.

Nowdays, when I see him here, I automatically assume he's digging for content for Loveshade's next book.

Well, you know, we keep trying to "control his projects" by not participating in them. So.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 05, 2013, 06:35:48 pm
Lmno and Rog are challenges as they're talented writers without a lot that meets the tone I've described ( that I've seen)。Roger especially makes heavy use of metaphor and motif that starts to lose context outside of this forum.

...He said, before using a bunch of my shit here, and then jumping right on board with Loveshade actually stealing my shit.

Why does Roger hate the Dingo?

Fuck, I don't know.

It was also a bullshit statement because you and LMNO are two of the writers whose work seems to stand up best outside of the forum, and have brought many many new people here looking for where it came from.

My guess is that he was already a member of the "Loveshade Family" at this point, and felt the need to say something shitty about Loveshade's detractors.

Nowdays, when I see him here, I automatically assume he's digging for content for Loveshade's next book.

Well, you know, we keep trying to "control his projects" by not participating in them. So.

Yeah, that was a hoot.   :lulz:
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Telarus on November 05, 2013, 08:55:45 pm
Lmno and Rog are challenges as they're talented writers without a lot that meets the tone I've described ( that I've seen)。Roger especially makes heavy use of metaphor and motif that starts to lose context outside of this forum.

...He said, before using a bunch of my shit here, and then jumping right on board with Loveshade actually stealing my shit.

Why does Roger hate the Dingo?

Fuck, I don't know.

What content was this?

I met Dingo when he came to Portland. He barely mentioned Loveshade, & got along well with me and Johnny Brainwash. Did he publish your content without your permission?
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 05, 2013, 09:10:38 pm
Lmno and Rog are challenges as they're talented writers without a lot that meets the tone I've described ( that I've seen)。Roger especially makes heavy use of metaphor and motif that starts to lose context outside of this forum.

...He said, before using a bunch of my shit here, and then jumping right on board with Loveshade actually stealing my shit.

Why does Roger hate the Dingo?

Fuck, I don't know.

What content was this?

I met Dingo when he came to Portland. He barely mentioned Loveshade, & got along well with me and Johnny Brainwash. Did he publish your content without your permission?

Nope, Dingo did not.

Loveshade did. 

What Dingo did was maintain for quite some time that the work of LMNO and myself had no value outside of PD.com.  Then, at roughly the same time as he became involved with Loveshade, he suddenly decided that it did.  He DID ask for and receive my permission to use some of my work in a publication he created.  Then, at damn near the exact same moment, Loveshade ripped off a bloody great chunk of PD.com (among others)...At the same time that Placid Dingo was losing his shit at Nigel and I for not participating in his tour project, because it involved Loveshade.

Loveshade is "indispensible to any complete discussion about modern discordianism", you see, and neither Nigel nor I wanted to be involved - even peripherally - with his pedo ass.  So we declined, at which point Dingo claimed that our decision to not participate was "trying to control his project".  Funniest part is, Loveshade is indispensible WHY?  He doesn't produce anything, he steals other peoples' work.

So, all taken together, my impression is that Dingo is a Loveshade cultist, and given the timing of things, I just automatically assume that he's trawling for content for Loveshade's next book.

If you were here during the ruckus, you would understand why I might think that.  You still might not agree, but you would at least see my reasoning.  Since you weren't around at the time, you can either decide that A) Roger is an assbat and is foaming at the mouth paranoid, or you might decide that B) you don't have enough background on the whole horrible ordeal to pick a side.

You will notice that I did not offer an option that involved chasing Dingo through the streets with shitty sticks.  This is because I don't see the need to organize a crusade.  This is strictly personal, and I have extremely strong personal views on this subject.

If it offends you, that's a problem for you, not me. 

ETA:  And for the record, this was never about "FUCK YOU FOR CHOOSING LOVESHADE OVER US", because Dingo was never offered that choice, really.  The statement that was made was "a few of us won't be involved with Loveshade under any circumstances, however tenuously".  The anger at Dingo came from his insistance that that statement was an attempt to "control his project".

Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on November 05, 2013, 10:56:27 pm
Being involved with Dingo's project would have meant having your name on something along with Loveshade's, as part of something that includes Loveshade, who Dingo seems to think is CENTRAL AND VITAL TO DISCORDIANISM. Which you would then be a documented part of.

So if you ever got a job working with kids, or if you had kids and something came up with CPS, or probably a bunch of other scenarios that haven't even occurred to me, YOUR NAME WOULD BE ON THIS THING WITH LOVESHADE'S. Kind of a tacit endorsement of Loveshade. Who happens to be a pedo.

Hell, even if you loathe kids and never, ever want to be around them, who the fuck wants to be associated with a pedo?
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 05, 2013, 10:58:01 pm
Being involved with Dingo's project would have meant having your name on something along with Loveshade's, as part of something that includes Loveshade, who Dingo seems to think is CENTRAL AND VITAL TO DISCORDIANISM. Which you would then be a documented part of.

So if you ever got a job working with kids, or if you had kids and something came up with CPS, or probably a bunch of other scenarios that haven't even occurred to me, YOUR NAME WOULD BE ON THIS THING WITH LOVESHADE'S. Kind of a tacit endorsement of Loveshade. Who happens to be a pedo.

Hell, even if you loathe kids and never, ever want to be around them, who the fuck wants to be associated with a pedo?

This is why I went after his publisher.  The fucker put my name on the contributor's list for "his" book.

I don't want to be linked to him in any way other than posts of me hurling raw garbage at his nasty fucking ass.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: LMNO on November 06, 2013, 02:54:29 pm
If I recall correctly, he also came up with a line of reasoning, something like, "well, you can address the Loveshade thing in the book itself" which apparently never occurred to him that it would make the book entirely about Loveshade, rather than Discordianism.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Telarus on November 06, 2013, 03:46:42 pm
Fair enough, I've nothing to say against your experiences or how they left you feeling.

Dingo seems sharp enough to learn from this situation, so I doubt that his book will "be about Loveshade, rather than Discordia", considering he's spent more time in-person with Adam Gorightly, Groucho Gandhi (the dude working with Adam to display the 1st Ed PD as prime cut-up art), Daisy Eris Cambpell (the daughter of the dude who produce the Illuminatus! stage show) & various European spags - than he has w/ Loveshade (who didn't meet him & only exchanged emails, from my understanding). I'm willing to give the book a read when it comes out.


Having said that, fuck Loveshade for stealing your content, that shit is not cool. He was definitely aware of your use-stance on your material from the one Intermittens he edited (um, this thread, I believe) & that Intermittens was only kopylefted as a whole-package & authors retained rights to individual pieces (unless they said otherwise).
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 06, 2013, 05:37:37 pm
If I recall correctly, he also came up with a line of reasoning, something like, "well, you can address the Loveshade thing in the book itself" which apparently never occurred to him that it would make the book entirely about Loveshade, rather than Discordianism.

I also, as I told him, felt like he kind of tried to downplay his inclusion of Loveshade, rather than say out front "Hey I know this is controversial but I also want to interview this guy, because there's been a lot of dialogue about him". I felt tricked and betrayed by that.

But the main reason I don't want to have anything to do with Dingo or his projects is because of the tantrum he threw when a couple of us were like "Thanks, but no thanks." He made some pretty big statements, AFTER THAT, that Loveshade was too important to leave out, and that absolutely came across as "you guys aren't as important as Loveshade so if interviewing him means losing all of you, so be it" and when a few of us were, I think justifiably, insulted by those statements, he trotted out the YOU ARE TRYING TO CONTROL/DESTROY MY PROJECT". At that point, woo boy, nope. Want nothing more to do with him.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: LMNO on November 06, 2013, 05:44:48 pm
What sucks is that it started out as a really good idea; and he's actually gone through with a lot of it (travelling to other countries for interviews, etc).
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 06, 2013, 05:45:54 pm
If I recall correctly, he also came up with a line of reasoning, something like, "well, you can address the Loveshade thing in the book itself" which apparently never occurred to him that it would make the book entirely about Loveshade, rather than Discordianism.

Dingo seems sharp enough to learn from this situation, so I doubt that his book will "be about Loveshade, rather than Discordia", considering he's spent more time in-person with Adam Gorightly, Groucho Gandhi (the dude working with Adam to display the 1st Ed PD as prime cut-up art), Daisy Eris Cambpell (the daughter of the dude who produce the Illuminatus! stage show) & various European spags - than he has w/ Loveshade (who didn't meet him & only exchanged emails, from my understanding). I'm willing to give the book a read when it comes out.

You seem to have missed the grist of LMNO's point, which is that IF we had taken him up on his offer, which we didn't, then all of us talking about Loveshade would have made the book more about Loveshade than about Discordia. It isn't is because we opted not to. A book that included like four people saying "I don't support Loveshade and want no association with him or his projects" would have put the spotlight squarely on Loveshade.

So there was really, in my mind, no viable option to participate.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 06, 2013, 05:47:12 pm
What sucks is that it started out as a really good idea; and he's actually gone through with a lot of it (travelling to other countries for interviews, etc).

Yeah, it could have been a cool project. Oh well.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 21, 2013, 03:37:59 pm
Was it Wilde who said the only thing worse than being talked about was not being talked about? It's notable that Wilde didn't have the Internet.

OK, while I don't feel it's actually essential that I place my delicate parts in EVERY shark tank that comes up, here and elsewhere, I do want to clear up some things.

1. I reread that comment and it did come off as dismissive, so I apologise for the way I phrased it. 
The comment regarding LMNO and Roger's work was just to say that at the time, I wasn't easily finding content that fit the type of collection I was putting together. I never thought that either was a bad writer, and if I did I wouldn't have made sure to use their work. If you want to accuse me of something on this count, accuse me of shitty search skills, because I've since come across plenty that would fit. And in retrospect it was also shitty wording. In the end I used two pieces of Roger's I really liked, and one from LMNO. In fact I explained that comment in PM to Roger, and said I thought he was a talented writer and I was just having trouble coming across those less explicitly Discordian pieces at the time. If that's not how I worded it that's how I'm wording it now and it applies to Roger and LMNO.
I believe I've made it pretty clear now that I admire the writing of Roger and LMNO, and I hope that I don't have to answer too many more questions or take too many more insults (such as being called a numb cunt) from here on regarding a comment that was badly worded and is now 2 years old.

2. I have a copy of Loveshade's book that I ordered to gain his account of meeting Greg Hill, though by the time it arrived I had come to the conclusion that it was probably fabricated. In that book is a piece by Jon Swabey, that Jon is aware of, and while is not pleased, acknowledged that the piece was copyleft. There is also a piece by Vex that he gives permission to use on this very forum I believe. 
Nobody else, including Roger or Nigel, has their work in the book AFAICT. There is a front page listing thanks, but I don't remember who's listed (book is in Aus) but again I'm pretty sure Roger and Nigel weren't listed. I know there are others on this forum who have copies and it might be worth asking. But there was definitely nothing that I recognised as belonging to anyone else.

3. The bizarre conspiracy that I was at some point converted to being a 'member of the Loveshade family' and have been since working somehow for the interests of said Loveshade family is interesting as far as say, a plot twist in a Discordian themed soap opera, but really has no bearing in reality. My communications with Loveshade have been limited to a couple of emails. Maybe more than a couple if you suspect, as I do, a couple of other people contacting me were alt accounts of Reverend Loveshade. Maybe we've exchanged comments more than once on 23ae- I know he criticised a post I made there once, but I don't really keep tabs on 23ae.
But the point is I am no more part of the Loveshade Family than I am part of the Manson Family, or Sly and Family Stone. Our contact was limited to emails.

4. My position on why I insisted on keeping Loveshade has been, and continues to be misrepresented. 
I never said that Loveshade or anyone else was too important to lose. What I did say, repeatedly, was that I felt I needed to be able to choose who I did and did not speak to for myself. I think that's reasonable.
I didn't tell anyone they were trying to control my project. I did say that if I didn't get to choose who I spoke to I would feel that I didn't have full control of my project. That's not to say that I thought anyone intended to take control.


I don't have any malice or anger at anyone here. I have been a little flippant in my reply because I find some of the accusations seem a little over the top to be taken seriously. 

There are some other comments here that I take issue with but they are personal interpretation, not inaccuracy so I will simply take the line that I can disagree without making a noise about it.

If anything I'm saying here is obviously inaccurate based on my previous comments, I encourage you to confront me with those previous comments. That will allow me to either explain any misunderstanding or apologise unconditionally if I have said anything I do not stand by.

As always I welcome questions.

Also, in my view this not only was but continues to be a cool project. I am in Poland now, with further interviews in Germany and Netherlands before the unenviable task of transcribing about a fucktonne (technical name) of interviews. The project is easily found on Facebook if you want to see what I've been up to.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 21, 2013, 03:44:03 pm
4. My position on why I insisted on keeping Loveshade has been, and continues to be misrepresented.

Does it matter?  I mean, really?

Nobody ever said you couldn't use that thieving little pedo.  A few of us said we wouldn't participate if he was included.  IIRC, that is when you DID, in fact, accuse Nigel of "trying to control your project."

But all that aside, you now have the interview you felt that you needed...That is to say, you have the MOST IMPORTANT DISCORDIAN IN THE WORLD.  Who has that title, presumably, because he's the best or at least most "prolific" content thief out there.

I don't see what the fuss is about.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on November 21, 2013, 03:51:27 pm
4. My position on why I insisted on keeping Loveshade has been, and continues to be misrepresented.

Does it matter?  I mean, really?

Nobody ever said you couldn't use that thieving little pedo.  A few of us said we wouldn't participate if he was included.  IIRC, that is when you DID, in fact, accuse Nigel of "trying to control your project."

But all that aside, you now have the interview you felt that you needed...That is to say, you have the MOST IMPORTANT DISCORDIAN IN THE WORLD.  Who has that title, presumably, because he's the best or at least most "prolific" content thief out there.

I don't see what the fuss is about.

BUT DISCORDIA IS ALL ABOUT BREAKING RULES AND STEALING CONTENT AND DIDDLING KIDZ. Z0MG 23 FNORD WORD SALAD!

 :x :x :x
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 21, 2013, 04:03:37 pm
Does it matter? Yes. I have made a choice that many people have found upsetting and I don't want that choice to be misunderstood. If I thought someone had missed an interview with me because they believed someone else was 'more important' or whatever I may be upset, so I don't want other people to think that's my position. So obviously I do want people to understand my reasoning, and don't really want to be regarded in a bad light based on inaccurate information. I'm sure I've said enough things to be hoisted by my own petard, not someone else's.

I was told so many times that I was 'accusing people of taking over my project' that I looked through the Chasing Eris conversation to make sure I wasn't lying in defending myself. I don't think you do recall correctly. I did say something to the effect that I felt I would lose control of my project if I didn't have the ability to choose which interviews I would or would not include. But I do not remember telling Nigel that she was trying to control my project, I do not believe I said that, and I cannot find any quote of myself saying that. I don't take that position now either.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Faust on November 21, 2013, 04:08:09 pm
4. My position on why I insisted on keeping Loveshade has been, and continues to be misrepresented.

Does it matter?  I mean, really?

Nobody ever said you couldn't use that thieving little pedo.  A few of us said we wouldn't participate if he was included.  IIRC, that is when you DID, in fact, accuse Nigel of "trying to control your project."

But all that aside, you now have the interview you felt that you needed...That is to say, you have the MOST IMPORTANT DISCORDIAN IN THE WORLD.  Who has that title, presumably, because he's the best or at least most "prolific" content thief out there.

I don't see what the fuss is about.

BUT DISCORDIA IS ALL ABOUT BREAKING RULES AND STEALING CONTENT AND DIDDLING KIDZ. Z0MG 23 FNORD WORD SALAD!

 :x :x :x
Not helping, or a legitimate thing to say. It was clearly not a choice between LS and others. People didn't want their work in the same issue as loveshade and which they are perfectly entitled to do, I wouldn't want my work associated with him.

It's hard enough to get any discordian project out the door without adding sensationalised drama like this to the mix. Unless you have a legitimate problem with Dingo which other do, please leave it out.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 21, 2013, 06:53:34 pm
You did say that, Dingo. You said it in a Facebook group, though I don't remember now which one. You had a petty little tantrum and accused Roger and I of trying to sabotage your project because I posted to let other people know that you were including Loveshade, and I knew that there were people there who would consider that fact an influence on their comfort in participating. At another point also stated that you "would not allow anyone else to take over creative control" or words to that effect.

If you recall, that was also when I stated that I lost all respect for you, and went from merely not participating to having bad feelings toward you over it.

Your revisionist history and attempts at damage control are not as convincing to anyone else as they are to yourself.

Best of luck with your project; fuck off.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 21, 2013, 06:59:47 pm
If I thought someone had missed an interview with me because they believed someone else was 'more important' or whatever I may be upset, so I don't want other people to think that's my position.

It was never about who was "important".  It was about not wanting to be associated with Loveshade in ANY manner.  Not that it helps, really.  My name somehow got attached to his book, and I had to hassle his publisher (based in Tucson, small world) to get my name removed.

I had commented before that I did feel it was odd that Loveshade > people not wanting to be associated with Loveshade, given that Loveshade hasn't actually done a damn thing with respect to Discordianism (except stealing other peoples' shit), and that he's a filthy fucking pedo, but that was just a passing comment.

In any case, it's a done deal.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 21, 2013, 07:03:18 pm
I know that I have zero leverage to ensure that you respect my wishes, but I would like to request that I not be mentioned in your book at all, under any name or guise.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 21, 2013, 07:03:36 pm
3. The bizarre conspiracy that I was at some point converted to being a 'member of the Loveshade family' and have been since working somehow for the interests of said Loveshade family is interesting as far as say, a plot twist in a Discordian themed soap opera, but really has no bearing in reality.

I don't believe you.

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4. My position on why I insisted on keeping Loveshade has been, and continues to be misrepresented.
I never said that Loveshade or anyone else was too important to lose. What I did say, repeatedly, was that I felt I needed to be able to choose who I did and did not speak to for myself. I think that's reasonable.

You also said that no book on Discordia would be complete without Loveshade, which is both untrue and really, really weird.

And you did say that Nigel was trying to take control of your project, or that she and I were, on facebook.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 21, 2013, 07:04:00 pm
I know that I have zero leverage to ensure that you respect my wishes, but I would like to request that I not be mentioned in your book at all, under any name or guise.

Likewise.  No mention at all, please.

ETA:  And there IS some leverage, to a degree.  If I AM mentioned, though I don't expect to be, be DAMN sure that what you say has no whiff of libel.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 21, 2013, 07:15:33 pm
3. The bizarre conspiracy that I was at some point converted to being a 'member of the Loveshade family' and have been since working somehow for the interests of said Loveshade family is interesting as far as say, a plot twist in a Discordian themed soap opera, but really has no bearing in reality.

I don't believe you.

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4. My position on why I insisted on keeping Loveshade has been, and continues to be misrepresented.
I never said that Loveshade or anyone else was too important to lose. What I did say, repeatedly, was that I felt I needed to be able to choose who I did and did not speak to for myself. I think that's reasonable.

You also said that no book on Discordia would be complete without Loveshade, which is both untrue and really, really weird.

And you did say that Nigel was trying to take control of your project, or that she and I were, on facebook.

I actually feel like AKK would be a more significant peripheral character, definitely a far more interesting one, and as far as I recall Dingo never even mentioned the possibility of interviewing AKK. He's had a lot more influence on Discordia (at least, on MY Discordia) than pervshade has.

Hopefully he'll manage to tie pervshade's creepy beliefs about adult-child sex into Kerry's sexual deviance and the allegations of child molestation, and just wad Discordia up into an unsavory little mass that NOBODY wants to be associated with. That would be just DANDY.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 21, 2013, 08:56:26 pm
I don't have any recollection of saying or believing any of those things at all. Since your whole accusation boils down to you claiming you saw me say something that I have absolutely no recollection ever saying there's not much I do do to demonstrate otherwise but to say publically here and now that I don't take that position on anything, and don't believe you will find me saying it anywhere

The one thing I do remember saying something like was that I would feel like I was relinquishing creative control if I let others impose conditions on interviews. That's true and remains true but I don't think it amounts to an accusation.

I'm wanting to work with a publisher, and I'm writing an interesting non-fiction book, not aZ gratuitous tell all scandal piece, so I can assure everyone that I'm not on some revenge kick to write mean and nasty things about everyone I disagree with.

I did attempt to find AKK at one point but was unsuccessful.

Edit: Accidentally a word.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 21, 2013, 08:59:01 pm
I don't have any recollection of saying or believing any of those things at all. Since your whole accusation boils down to you claiming you saw me say something that I have absolutely no recollection ever saying there's not much I do do to demonstrate otherwise but to say publically here and now that I don't take that position on anything, and don't believe you will find me saying it anywhere

The one thing I do remember saying something like was that I would like I was relinquishing creative control if I let others impose conditions on interviews. That's true and remains true but I don't think it amounts to an accusation.

I'm wanting to work with a publisher, and I'm writing an interesting non-fiction book, not a gratuitous tell all scandal piece, so I can assure everyone that I'm not on some revenge kick to write mean and nasty things about everyone I disagree with.

I did attempt to find AKK at one point but was unsuccessful.

Doesn't really matter.  Everyone got what they wanted.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Pæs on November 21, 2013, 09:01:28 pm
I did attempt to find AKK at one point but was unsuccessful.
The only time in history when someone has wanted a link to AKK's website and he fails to provide one. Figures.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 21, 2013, 09:06:03 pm
I did attempt to find AKK at one point but was unsuccessful.
The only time in history when someone has wanted a link to AKK's website and he fails to provide one. Figures.

How can you not find AKK?
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Cain on November 21, 2013, 09:06:39 pm
He's known and noted in his local music scene.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 21, 2013, 09:07:23 pm
He's known and noted in his local music scene.

Google Ambassador Klock Kaos Syracuse New York.  BAM.  Done.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Cain on November 21, 2013, 09:14:40 pm
Hey now, it's not like he has a website, or a Twitter, or a reverbnation account, or a Youtube account, or a soundcloud account, or a Facebook account, or a Vampirefreaks account, or a klout account, or a deviantart account or anything.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: LMNO on November 21, 2013, 09:16:34 pm
It's like he doesn't even EXIST.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Eater of Clowns on November 21, 2013, 09:42:31 pm
Hey now, it's not like he has a website, or a Twitter, or a reverbnation account, or a Youtube account, or a soundcloud account, or a Facebook account, or a Vampirefreaks account, or a klout account, or a deviantart account or anything.
It's like he doesn't even EXIST.

:spittake:
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 21, 2013, 11:03:38 pm
I don't have any recollection of saying or believing any of those things at all. Since your whole accusation boils down to you claiming you saw me say something that I have absolutely no recollection ever saying there's not much I do do to demonstrate otherwise but to say publically here and now that I don't take that position on anything, and don't believe you will find me saying it anywhere

The one thing I do remember saying something like was that I would feel like I was relinquishing creative control if I let others impose conditions on interviews. That's true and remains true but I don't think it amounts to an accusation.

I'm wanting to work with a publisher, and I'm writing an interesting non-fiction book, not aZ gratuitous tell all scandal piece, so I can assure everyone that I'm not on some revenge kick to write mean and nasty things about everyone I disagree with.

I did attempt to find AKK at one point but was unsuccessful.

Edit: Accidentally a word.

I'm sure you have no memory of that. :lulz: So it's just my word and Roger's word and anyone else who does remember its word against your lack of memory. But it doesn't really matter, since the only thing it affects for me personally is my respect for you and my willingness to work with you, both of which have ceased to exist.

You can't find AKK? :lol: How hard did you try? I don't recall you asking; I could have directed you to him. Just about anyone here could have.

http://www.akksite.com/
https://twitter.com/A_K_K
http://www.youtube.com/user/klokwerkaos
https://soundcloud.com/a-klokwerk-kaos
http://www.reverbnation.com/aklokwerkkaos
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=821659
https://myspace.com/aklokwerkkaos
http://www.pof.com/member8127264.htm
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=ntt_srch_drd_B002ZQHEKQ?ie=UTF8&field-keywords=A%20kLoKwErK%20kAoS&index=digital-music&search-type=ss

It goes on and on and on. He's not that hard to reach, especially if he thinks there's an opportunity for promotion in it.

I am inclined to suspect that you may have a bit of a problem with your memory, if you recall trying to find him and failing.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 21, 2013, 11:07:48 pm
I did attempt to find AKK at one point but was unsuccessful.
The only time in history when someone has wanted a link to AKK's website and he fails to provide one. Figures.

How can you not find AKK?

This is like not being able to locate the SUN.

In the summer.

In Tucson.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 21, 2013, 11:10:51 pm
By the way Dingo, I didn't by any means assume that you would write anything nasty about me, and my request isn't about being mentioned negatively. Just to reiterate, though, in case you misunderstood:

I know that I have zero leverage to ensure that you respect my wishes, but I would like to request that I not be mentioned in your book at all, under any name or guise.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 21, 2013, 11:11:58 pm
However, I have no expectation at this point that my request will be respected. I'm thinking that the odds are that you won't remember it.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 21, 2013, 11:13:40 pm
The funniest thing about your little outburst that you "don't remember"? You apologized for it.  :lol:

I think you posted the apology on PD. Bet I can find it.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 22, 2013, 12:28:31 am
I do not intend to mention people who have indicated they would prefer not to be mentioned. 

No, I didn't put a great deal of of effort into finding AKK. I had a go, gave up, forgot about him. I did not realise saying so would be so controversial. 

Nigel, you will find the apology in your inbox. I sent a PM after I took four people out of the Chasing Eris group I used for arranging meets. 
At first I thought I had been too hasty but I later felt that I had made the correct choice.
However I agreed that I should have given you time to finish your conversation. I apologised and offered to give you a chance to return to finish the conversation. That was sent in the form of a PM message. I certainly did not post anything of the kind you and Roger describe (I don't think he was ever in the group) in there, and I certainly don't think it resembled an outburst.

I don't mean for it to be the case that nobody here has the right to criticise my project without me swooping in to stop you but for obvious reasons I do find it upsetting for things to be said that are simply inaccurate. I will attempt to back off now unless anyone has direct questions or anything too painfully inaccurate for me to be comfortable ignoring (other then that I've already adressed).
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 22, 2013, 01:08:41 am
I do not intend to mention people who have indicated they would prefer not to be mentioned.

No, I didn't put a great deal of of effort into finding AKK. I had a go, gave up, forgot about him. I did not realise saying so would be so controversial.

Nigel, you will find the apology in your inbox. I sent a PM after I took four people out of the Chasing Eris group I used for arranging meets.
At first I thought I had been too hasty but I later felt that I had made the correct choice.
However I agreed that I should have given you time to finish your conversation. I apologised and offered to give you a chance to return to finish the conversation. That was sent in the form of a PM message. I certainly did not post anything of the kind you and Roger describe (I don't think he was ever in the group) in there, and I certainly don't think it resembled an outburst.

I don't mean for it to be the case that nobody here has the right to criticise my project without me swooping in to stop you but for obvious reasons I do find it upsetting for things to be said that are simply inaccurate. I will attempt to back off now unless anyone has direct questions or anything too painfully inaccurate for me to be comfortable ignoring (other then that I've already adressed).

I am aware of that apology; I don't have problems with my memory.

I appreciate your statement that I will not be mentioned in your project.

I have done nothing whatsoever to interfere with your project, and have no intention of doing so. But I do think you're a disingenuous sack of shit.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Hoopla on November 22, 2013, 01:40:20 am
Out of curiosity, was anything of mine or Enrico's included?  I honestly can't remember now.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 22, 2013, 01:45:21 am
If you're talking about Loveshade's book, I had a look through when PD started having a freak out over alleged plagiarism.
Book is in 'Straya so I can't look now but as I recall the only works that didn't seem to be by Loveshade were from Dr. Jon and Vex.


If you're talking about my Intermittens story collection, Enrico, no. You... I don't know who you are. If you're Twid, I believe not.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2013, 01:48:28 am
If you're talking about Loveshade's book, I had a look through when PD started having a freak out over alleged plagiarism.
Book is in 'Straya so I can't look now but as I recall the only works that didn't seem to be by Loveshade were from Dr. Jon and Vex.


If you're talking about my Intermittens story collection, Enrico, no. You... I don't know who you are. If you're Twid, I believe not.

That's Hoopla.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Hoopla on November 22, 2013, 01:49:54 am
If you're talking about Loveshade's book, I had a look through when PD started having a freak out over alleged plagiarism.
Book is in 'Straya so I can't look now but as I recall the only works that didn't seem to be by Loveshade were from Dr. Jon and Vex.


If you're talking about my Intermittens story collection, Enrico, no. You... I don't know who you are. If you're Twid, I believe not.

That's Hoopla.

Oops, I forgot I switched my name out.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 22, 2013, 01:54:04 am
If you're talking about Loveshade's book, I had a look through when PD started having a freak out over alleged plagiarism.
Book is in 'Straya so I can't look now but as I recall the only works that didn't seem to be by Loveshade were from Dr. Jon and Vex.


If you're talking about my Intermittens story collection, Enrico, no. You... I don't know who you are. If you're Twid, I believe not.

That's Hoopla.

Oops, I forgot I switched my name out.

I cannot recall the name of the story at this second but the Intermittens included the one where the boy with a talking pimple saws his own head off.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Hoopla on November 22, 2013, 01:55:48 am
If you're talking about Loveshade's book, I had a look through when PD started having a freak out over alleged plagiarism.
Book is in 'Straya so I can't look now but as I recall the only works that didn't seem to be by Loveshade were from Dr. Jon and Vex.


If you're talking about my Intermittens story collection, Enrico, no. You... I don't know who you are. If you're Twid, I believe not.

That's Hoopla.

Oops, I forgot I switched my name out.

I cannot recall the name of the story at this second but the Intermittens included the one where the boy with a talking pimple saws his own head off.


If this is going to be in anything else, can you just make up a name to go with that story?  If it's already done, then it's my own fault for being lax and tardy.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 22, 2013, 02:01:44 am
If you're talking about Loveshade's book, I had a look through when PD started having a freak out over alleged plagiarism.
Book is in 'Straya so I can't look now but as I recall the only works that didn't seem to be by Loveshade were from Dr. Jon and Vex.


If you're talking about my Intermittens story collection, Enrico, no. You... I don't know who you are. If you're Twid, I believe not.

That's Hoopla.

Oops, I forgot I switched my name out.

I cannot recall the name of the story at this second but the Intermittens included the one where the boy with a talking pimple saws his own head off.


If this is going to be in anything else, can you just make up a name to go with that story?  If it's already done, then it's my own fault for being lax and tardy.

I think you gave it one, I just can't recall. Anyway, Cram did the layout and named anything that didnt have a title. I don't have future plans with it, but if I do I'll check in again.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 22, 2013, 02:02:48 am
The pathetic life of Oxo Marx
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Hoopla on November 22, 2013, 02:05:40 am
The pathetic life of Oxo Marx

Yeah sorry, I meant author name.  But if it's already done with, then it's a moot point.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 22, 2013, 02:30:26 am
Name in collection is 'Hoopla'
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Hoopla on November 22, 2013, 03:26:15 am
Name in collection is 'Hoopla'

Oh well, that's a common enough name I suppose.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 22, 2013, 04:42:43 am
Name in collection is 'Hoopla'

Oh well, that's a common enough name I suppose.

No one will ever track it back to you!
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Cain on November 22, 2013, 09:18:44 am
It's like he doesn't even EXIST.

He even has a Klout.  Who the fuck has a Klout?  Google+ is more popular.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Payne on November 22, 2013, 09:30:13 am
It's like he doesn't even EXIST.

He even has a Klout.  Who the fuck has a Klout?  Google+ is more popular.

I know you can tell just by looking at my face
A word about my weakness
I'm totally addicted to K's
Wowawoahoh
Totally addicted to K's
Wowawoahoh
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Cain on November 22, 2013, 09:32:02 am
You'd think a man with two Ks in his name would try and steer away from another one.  AKKK is not an act I see being popular, even by AKK's standards.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: LuciferX on November 25, 2013, 09:55:12 pm
I also vote for the EoC Maw Row Man story, although I totally understand if EoC already has a submission   :oops:
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Eater of Clowns on November 25, 2013, 10:31:12 pm
I also vote for the EoC Maw Row Man story, although I totally understand if EoC already has a submission   :oops:

Thank you.  :)

However, that is an extremely personal story that I'd prefer be seen by only a small group of people.

Also, isn't this project over? I was under the impression that the issue was released quite a while ago and the topic resurfaced in reference to Dingo's previous problems at PD.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 25, 2013, 10:35:16 pm
I also vote for the EoC Maw Row Man story, although I totally understand if EoC already has a submission   :oops:

Thank you.  :)

However, that is an extremely personal story that I'd prefer be seen by only a small group of people.

Also, isn't this project over? I was under the impression that the issue was released quite a while ago and the topic resurfaced in reference to Dingo's previous problems at PD.

Well, it's 2 years old, anyway.  :lulz:
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: LuciferX on November 25, 2013, 11:35:17 pm
I also vote for the EoC Maw Row Man story, although I totally understand if EoC already has a submission   :oops:

Thank you.  :)

However, that is an extremely personal story that I'd prefer be seen by only a small group of people.

...

Totally, it's a good one.  Can I haz permission to maybe read it to my gf (she's a painter).  Mainly for conversation on metaphorical level and to draw on in contrast with current repo texts like Never Let Me Go.  Did not realize age of thread - and maybe wanted to remind myself to ask before acting on impulse to share the story :)
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Eater of Clowns on November 25, 2013, 11:51:55 pm
I also vote for the EoC Maw Row Man story, although I totally understand if EoC already has a submission   :oops:

Thank you.  :)

However, that is an extremely personal story that I'd prefer be seen by only a small group of people.

...

Totally, it's a good one.  Can I haz permission to maybe read it to my gf (she's a painter).  Mainly for conversation on metaphorical level and to draw on in contrast with current repo texts like Never Let Me Go.  Did not realize age of thread - and maybe wanted to remind myself to ask before acting on impulse to share the story :)

Yeah, of course. I mean, it's up on this site so it isn't a secret, it's just one of my pieces I'd like to keep contained. It's one reason I don't do kopyleft and it's always use with permission.

Thank you for asking, though, and I hope she enjoys it.
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: LuciferX on November 26, 2013, 01:01:27 am
I also vote for the EoC Maw Row Man story, although I totally understand if EoC already has a submission   :oops:

Thank you.  :)

However, that is an extremely personal story that I'd prefer be seen by only a small group of people.

...

Totally, it's a good one.  Can I haz permission to maybe read it to my gf (she's a painter).  Mainly for conversation on metaphorical level and to draw on in contrast with current repo texts like Never Let Me Go.  Did not realize age of thread - and maybe wanted to remind myself to ask before acting on impulse to share the story :)

Yeah, of course. I mean, it's up on this site so it isn't a secret, it's just one of my pieces I'd like to keep contained. It's one reason I don't do kopyleft and it's always use with permission.

Thank you for asking, though, and I hope she enjoys it.

Cool.  Still, I can't say I entirely thought this through yet, but just because someone can access something, it does not mean they are always entitled to share it with those that might further misappropriate a text, say, not meant for public consumption.  I think it's important to respect how these considerations can make a big difference, ironically, if only just to facilitate sharing. :lulz:
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: LuciferX on December 01, 2013, 01:41:13 am
Response was "totally on target, top marks"
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Eater of Clowns on December 01, 2013, 06:36:21 am
Response was "totally on target, top marks"

 :)
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: Cramulus on November 03, 2017, 02:44:45 pm
http://www.scribd.com/doc/71454024/Intermittens-The-Fail-Whale-Apocalypse-and-Other-Stories

SIX YEAR BUMP TO A BOOK OF OUR STORIES AND POETRY AND SHIT
Title: Re: Intermittens Presents: XX and other works
Post by: LMNO on November 03, 2017, 02:46:16 pm
So long as it's not Issue Four.