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Title: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: Dildo Argentino on January 11, 2018, 06:52:16 am
Hello, I'm back. I bear no ill will. :)

So what's your optimistic but realistic scenario for 2028?

If you believe you can actually predict that scene (I think it's up in the air, even though the climate is highly likely to get much shittier), I'm all ears for that, too.

As for me, I would like to see nation states weaken and voluntary, organic, small-group-based networks rise further.

I would like to see widespread fullerene printing available to the masses, with a flourishing, if still fringe maker culture to go with it.

I would like to see the foodprinterTM, a portable device which, if pointed at a heap of general purpose organic waste and given sufficient energy, will produce slop that will sustain the human body.

I would like to see immune, neural, cognitive and digestive enhancements inching towards the mainstream.

I would like to see a planet teeming with humans who begin to move around freely as is their birthright, and a healthy and strong opposition to the ubiquitous surveillance panopticum that will surely still be on offer from the 1-percenters and possibly their machine buddies.

I would like to see the dragon irritated and scared, if not yet slain.
Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: Cain on January 11, 2018, 08:13:40 am
That we have a regulated international agreement which will stop the planetary temperatures from increasing more than 3C, plunging the world into a nightmare scenario of food and resource wars, mass migration, nativist politics, depopulation via austerity politics and increasing authoritarianism.

It's not going to happen.  But it could.
Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: Dildo Argentino on January 11, 2018, 10:10:42 am
That we have a regulated international agreement which will stop the planetary temperatures from increasing more than 3C, plunging the world into a nightmare scenario of food and resource wars, mass migration, nativist politics, depopulation via austerity politics and increasing authoritarianism.

It's not going to happen.  But it could.

Okay, I fully agree, so in one sense that's an optimistic but unrealistic scenario. It is unrealistic not because of physical feasibility, but because of human nature. So what's your optimistic but realistic?
Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: Frontside Back on January 11, 2018, 10:46:27 am
I for one hope that there's a steady increase of meaningless phrases used as conversation tool. We as a humankind could replace all the small talk with blabbering nonsense, and nobody would even notice the difference.
Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: Cain on January 11, 2018, 11:22:56 am
That we have a regulated international agreement which will stop the planetary temperatures from increasing more than 3C, plunging the world into a nightmare scenario of food and resource wars, mass migration, nativist politics, depopulation via austerity politics and increasing authoritarianism.

It's not going to happen.  But it could.

Okay, I fully agree, so in one sense that's an optimistic but unrealistic scenario. It is unrealistic not because of physical feasibility, but because of human nature. So what's your optimistic but realistic?

World treaties to mitigate climate change are unrealistic, but

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a planet teeming with humans who begin to move around freely as is their birthright, and a healthy and strong opposition to the ubiquitous surveillance panopticum that will surely still be on offer from the 1-percenters and possibly their machine buddies.

isn't?

OK.  Have fun with your masturbatory thread.

PS: "Human nature" isn't an argument. But you already knew that.
Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: Dildo Argentino on January 11, 2018, 11:47:11 am
I for one hope that there's a steady increase of meaningless phrases used as conversation tool. We as a humankind could replace all the small talk with blabbering nonsense, and nobody would even notice the difference.

Away thee with your brute cynicism!  :lulz:
Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: Dildo Argentino on January 11, 2018, 11:52:40 am
World treaties to mitigate climate change are unrealistic, but

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a planet teeming with humans who begin to move around freely as is their birthright, and a healthy and strong opposition to the ubiquitous surveillance panopticum that will surely still be on offer from the 1-percenters and possibly their machine buddies.

isn't?

OK.  Have fun with your masturbatory thread.

PS: "Human nature" isn't an argument. But you already knew that.


Awww don't be like that now! I do my masturbation elsewhere. I know that the expectation of a healthy, nay, strengthening human resistance to the machine seems pretty far-fetched. I also know that mass death and indeed mass murder are pretty much on our cards now. But the size and nature of the events constituting the catastrophic collapse is hard to predict, because new tech is going to be emerging at an increasing rate. The somewhat more conscious types over here are worried that the Putin-Orban-Polish nutcase conglomeratum will try to shut down/limit/fully survey our interwebz within a reasonably short while. But it won't happen if we can help it, and on the balance I'd guess, if I had to, that we will be able to help it. The shift to non-economic models is palpable: a minority, but no longer a microminority increasingly manage growing aspects of their lives outside the money economy. I see some reason for optimism.
Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: Dildo Argentino on January 11, 2018, 11:56:06 am
I still think Bruce Sterling's short story was truly visionary:

http://www.lightspeedmagazine.com/fiction/maneki-neko/
Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: Cramulus on January 11, 2018, 01:36:59 pm
In American politics-----

When we come out of the Trump Times (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOl_Drd42SQ), we will be reborn.

One of the reasons I think American politics has been jammed is our inability to consicely articulate the real sides and stakes. Trump is a human embodiement of what's wrong, and as such, can be used as shorthand symbol. (sort of like how Hitler is a moral touchstone) If Trump's exit is spectacular enough, then no one remotely like him will be able to follow the act.

tl;dr accelerationism, but the good kind
Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: LMNO on January 11, 2018, 01:38:25 pm
I see us leveraging our core competencies in order to implement a solve involving mission critical turnkey solutions.
Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: Dildo Argentino on January 11, 2018, 02:08:03 pm
In American politics-----

When we come out of the Trump Times (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOl_Drd42SQ), we will be reborn.

One of the reasons I think American politics has been jammed is our inability to consicely articulate the real sides and stakes. Trump is a human embodiement of what's wrong, and as such, can be used as shorthand symbol. (sort of like how Hitler is a moral touchstone) If Trump's exit is spectacular enough, then no one remotely like him will be able to follow the act.

tl;dr accelerationism, but the good kind

Excellent vid. I think we may be on the same page. Increasingly, I just see the significance of the state wither away slowly and variably all over the globe. P.M. in Bolo'Bolo was a little too optimistic, but the general gist of the process seems to have at least a fighting chance of playing out.
Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: Dildo Argentino on January 11, 2018, 02:10:00 pm
I see us leveraging our core competencies in order to implement a solve involving mission critical turnkey solutions.

OH YES BE LIKE THAT YOU FOUL-MOUTHED DISCORDIAN DIEHARD! THAT'S HOW I LIKE IT! LAY INTO ME WITH YOUR BRASH WITTICISM AND YOUR BOMBASTIC CYNICISM!!! AAAAAAA!!!
Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 11, 2018, 03:51:41 pm
Hello, I'm back. I bear no ill will. :)


That's okay, I bore it for you.
Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 11, 2018, 03:53:03 pm
I see us leveraging our core competencies in order to implement a solve involving mission critical turnkey solutions.

 :lulz:

I'm a sucker for that shit.
Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: Dildo Argentino on January 12, 2018, 06:01:35 am
Hello, I'm back. I bear no ill will. :)


That's okay, I bore it for you.

I knew I could count on you, man!!
Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on January 12, 2018, 05:33:57 pm
Hopeful but realistic? In ten years, I hope life isn't too hard on the cockroaches.
Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: Emo Howard on January 13, 2018, 12:59:56 am
I create a few dozen fake Illegal Refugee I.D. numbers, collect $3,874/mo from the Federal Assistance program for each one of them and become the next George Soros.
Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: Dildo Argentino on January 15, 2018, 03:28:58 am
I create a few dozen fake Illegal Refugee I.D. numbers, collect $3,874/mo from the Federal Assistance program for each one of them and become the next George Soros.

"Illegal Refugee ID-number" - is that what they call a double oxy?

You'd have to be collecting your hundred thou a month for some time to get near his bundle... and anyway, why be the next him, he's old and disappointed.
Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: Emo Howard on January 15, 2018, 04:12:40 am
I create a few dozen fake Illegal Refugee I.D. numbers, collect $3,874/mo from the Federal Assistance program for each one of them and become the next George Soros.

"Illegal Refugee ID-number" - is that what they call a double oxy?

You'd have to be collecting your hundred thou a month for some time to get near his bundle... and anyway, why be the next him, he's old and disappointed.

I dunno nothin bout no double oxy whatevers. I just know "Illegal Refugees" are collecting exactly Three Thousand Eight Hundred and Seventy-Four U.S. Dollars a month, which is like 3 times what most people on Social Security collect a month. I know it's tru because my fambily is posting pictures of text saying it's tru on Facedook.



I think the main point I'm getting at here is that the bar for what constitutes "realistic" has gotten pretty low, actually.
Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 15, 2018, 04:37:30 am
10 years from now:

Ted Nugent is president, still shitting himself.
Joe Arpieo's festering corpse is nailed to a seat in the senate, and is a shrine to Nazis.
Public education tops out at 3rd grade, if you can pay the fees.
Youtube is nothing but Oasis tribute bands, but it doesn't matter because your service doesn't include youtube.
Warren Ellis still hasn't finished Doktor Sleepless.
The Republic of Texas fragments into 4 smaller states.
Anger is an official gender.
Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: Dildo Argentino on January 15, 2018, 05:11:28 am
10 years from now:

Ted Nugent is president, still shitting himself.
Joe Arpieo's festering corpse is nailed to a seat in the senate, and is a shrine to Nazis.
Public education tops out at 3rd grade, if you can pay the fees.
Youtube is nothing but Oasis tribute bands, but it doesn't matter because your service doesn't include youtube.
Warren Ellis still hasn't finished Doktor Sleepless.
The Republic of Texas fragments into 4 smaller states.
Anger is an official gender.

I see your much revered optimism has ony matured with age. Will there be an official pronoun to go with the angry gender? What will it take to upgrade to youtube? Also, so you do not predict a Major Human Population Reduction Event on that timescale, that's encouraging... I looked up the other guys you mentioned, Ted for Prez would also be an improvement, so really you are forecasting a happyfest. This Arpeio guy's local to your part of the world, right? and Ellis, he isn't even American! Public Education: do you really think it'll top out? Isn't it needed to produce reasonable-grade machine-fodder? 
Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: Dildo Argentino on January 15, 2018, 05:26:50 am
Also, thank you for pointing me towards Warren Ellis, seems to be my kind of guy.
Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on January 15, 2018, 10:50:41 pm
10 years from now:

Ted Nugent is president, still shitting himself.
Joe Arpieo's festering corpse is nailed to a seat in the senate, and is a shrine to Nazis.
Public education tops out at 3rd grade, if you can pay the fees.
Youtube is nothing but Oasis tribute bands, but it doesn't matter because your service doesn't include youtube.
Warren Ellis still hasn't finished Doktor Sleepless.
The Republic of Texas fragments into 4 smaller states.
Anger is an official gender.

I see your much revered optimism has ony matured with age. Will there be an official pronoun to go with the angry gender? What will it take to upgrade to youtube? Also, so you do not predict a Major Human Population Reduction Event on that timescale, that's encouraging... I looked up the other guys you mentioned, Ted for Prez would also be an improvement, so really you are forecasting a happyfest. This Arpeio guy's local to your part of the world, right? and Ellis, he isn't even American! Public Education: do you really think it'll top out? Isn't it needed to produce reasonable-grade machine-fodder? 

Education stops at 3rd grade. After that, it's 10 years of "preemptive incarceration".
Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 16, 2018, 01:09:26 am
10 years from now:

Ted Nugent is president, still shitting himself.
Joe Arpieo's festering corpse is nailed to a seat in the senate, and is a shrine to Nazis.
Public education tops out at 3rd grade, if you can pay the fees.
Youtube is nothing but Oasis tribute bands, but it doesn't matter because your service doesn't include youtube.
Warren Ellis still hasn't finished Doktor Sleepless.
The Republic of Texas fragments into 4 smaller states.
Anger is an official gender.

I see your much revered optimism has ony matured with age. Will there be an official pronoun to go with the angry gender? What will it take to upgrade to youtube? Also, so you do not predict a Major Human Population Reduction Event on that timescale, that's encouraging... I looked up the other guys you mentioned, Ted for Prez would also be an improvement, so really you are forecasting a happyfest. This Arpeio guy's local to your part of the world, right? and Ellis, he isn't even American! Public Education: do you really think it'll top out? Isn't it needed to produce reasonable-grade machine-fodder?

Arpeio is about 45 miles from me.  I still advocate the use of nuclear weapons against him.
Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: Dildo Argentino on January 16, 2018, 08:35:31 am
Arpeio is about 45 miles from me.  I still advocate the use of nuclear weapons against him.

I sympathise. He seems extremely... unsavoury. When you get one, if they do package deals, could you get one for our beloved leadership Orbán, too?
Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 17, 2018, 01:33:18 am
Arpeio is about 45 miles from me.  I still advocate the use of nuclear weapons against him.

I sympathise. He seems extremely... unsavoury. When you get one, if they do package deals, could you get one for our beloved leadership Orbán, too?

Get your own.  I'm using all of them on Maricopa County.
Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: Space Adventures Of Christ on January 17, 2018, 04:27:24 am
Ten years from now:

Trump is dead
Windows™ is bankrupt
Google and the CIA are now publicly known to be in on a massive worldwide scandal (and under severe investigation)
Conspiracy Theorists have taken over the white house and are taking the president of the time hostage
Anonymous opens a new bank branch

Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: Dildo Argentino on January 17, 2018, 12:09:58 pm
Arpeio is about 45 miles from me.  I still advocate the use of nuclear weapons against him.

I sympathise. He seems extremely... unsavoury. When you get one, if they do package deals, could you get one for our beloved leadership Orbán, too?

Get your own.  I'm using all of them on Maricopa County.

Fair enough. ( :
Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: Dildo Argentino on January 17, 2018, 12:10:48 pm
Ten years from now:

Trump is dead
Windows™ is bankrupt
Google and the CIA are now publicly known to be in on a massive worldwide scandal (and under severe investigation)
Conspiracy Theorists have taken over the white house and are taking the president of the time hostage
Anonymous opens a new bank branch

That would certainly be a few steps forward. ( :
Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on January 18, 2018, 01:35:52 pm
AR visual overlays reach smartphone-ubiquity, as do realtime AI lie detector apps, forcing a fundamental shift in basic human psychology.

The nation-state model collapses completely, taking with it central government and fiat currency as the primary means of economic exchange. Reputation economy takes over.

IBM brings a fully functional 128 qbit quantum processor to market. Once of the first things scientists use it for is to totally disprove quantum theory but it gets stuck half way through the calculation.









Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on January 19, 2018, 04:42:28 am
Ten years from now:

Trump is dead
Windows™ is bankrupt
Google and the CIA are now publicly known to be in on a massive worldwide scandal (and under severe investigation)
Conspiracy Theorists have taken over the white house and are taking the president of the time hostage
Anonymous opens a new bank branch



1. fine, whatever. won't do much good, but it couldn't hurt right?
2. i already barely use it, so who cares?
3. **see below
4. ...why?
5. see #4

as for the CIA and Google thing, I assume you're referencing some kind of future world where people give a fuck about privacy. While that may very well happen in the next 10 years, it won't do so on this planet. See, privacy is a myth. It always has been a myth, and anyone who believes in it might as well go to church on Sundays too, because it's that kind of fake. But not only is there no such thing as privacy, privacy has no right to exist anyway. If you're scared of men in black suits finding out what you fap to when nobody's looking, you're just not living. Plus, all this worrying about privacy is seriously impeding the cybernetic hivemind society I want to live in. We need to erase all concept of the self, forcefully, and over the corpses of whoever bitches about it. There's no other way to survive as a species. Plus, it would probably involve a lot of cool looking implants and wires and blinky lights and stuff, which is all far more important than not being spied on. Which isn't important at all. And no, I'm not being sarcastic or facetious. I fully support the transhumanist ideal of erasing the individual human mind from existence in favor of a collective consciousness aided by heavy and probably reckless use of technology. And, of course, gulags for anyone who doesn't like it.
Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: Dildo Argentino on January 19, 2018, 08:30:24 am
AR visual overlays reach smartphone-ubiquity, as do realtime AI lie detector apps, forcing a fundamental shift in basic human psychology.

The nation-state model collapses completely, taking with it central government and fiat currency as the primary means of economic exchange. Reputation economy takes over.

IBM brings a fully functional 128 qbit quantum processor to market. Once of the first things scientists use it for is to totally disprove quantum theory but it gets stuck half way through the calculation.

That's pretty close to my "I think there's a chance this may happen and I hope it does" scenario. I would like to add affordable, replicable nanoassembly of foodstuff capable of supplying basic metabolic needs", and general purpose 3d printing going rife and uncontrolled. I am aware that this may all end rather horribly, but I still think it's our best chance.
Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: Dildo Argentino on January 19, 2018, 08:31:45 am
As for the CIA and Google thing, I assume you're referencing some kind of future world where people give a fuck about privacy. While that may very well happen in the next 10 years, it won't do so on this planet. See, privacy is a myth. It always has been a myth, and anyone who believes in it might as well go to church on Sundays too, because it's that kind of fake. But not only is there no such thing as privacy, privacy has no right to exist anyway. If you're scared of men in black suits finding out what you fap to when nobody's looking, you're just not living. Plus, all this worrying about privacy is seriously impeding the cybernetic hivemind society I want to live in. We need to erase all concept of the self, forcefully, and over the corpses of whoever bitches about it. There's no other way to survive as a species. Plus, it would probably involve a lot of cool looking implants and wires and blinky lights and stuff, which is all far more important than not being spied on. Which isn't important at all. And no, I'm not being sarcastic or facetious. I fully support the transhumanist ideal of erasing the individual human mind from existence in favor of a collective consciousness aided by heavy and probably reckless use of technology. And, of course, gulags for anyone who doesn't like it.

I would prefer not to. ( :
Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on January 20, 2018, 02:24:20 am
As for the CIA and Google thing, I assume you're referencing some kind of future world where people give a fuck about privacy. While that may very well happen in the next 10 years, it won't do so on this planet. See, privacy is a myth. It always has been a myth, and anyone who believes in it might as well go to church on Sundays too, because it's that kind of fake. But not only is there no such thing as privacy, privacy has no right to exist anyway. If you're scared of men in black suits finding out what you fap to when nobody's looking, you're just not living. Plus, all this worrying about privacy is seriously impeding the cybernetic hivemind society I want to live in. We need to erase all concept of the self, forcefully, and over the corpses of whoever bitches about it. There's no other way to survive as a species. Plus, it would probably involve a lot of cool looking implants and wires and blinky lights and stuff, which is all far more important than not being spied on. Which isn't important at all. And no, I'm not being sarcastic or facetious. I fully support the transhumanist ideal of erasing the individual human mind from existence in favor of a collective consciousness aided by heavy and probably reckless use of technology. And, of course, gulags for anyone who doesn't like it.

I would prefer not to. ( :

That's fine. There's plenty of room in the camps, and someone's gonna have to be on commode duty.
Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on January 20, 2018, 07:59:41 pm
As for the CIA and Google thing, I assume you're referencing some kind of future world where people give a fuck about privacy. While that may very well happen in the next 10 years, it won't do so on this planet. See, privacy is a myth. It always has been a myth, and anyone who believes in it might as well go to church on Sundays too, because it's that kind of fake. But not only is there no such thing as privacy, privacy has no right to exist anyway. If you're scared of men in black suits finding out what you fap to when nobody's looking, you're just not living. Plus, all this worrying about privacy is seriously impeding the cybernetic hivemind society I want to live in. We need to erase all concept of the self, forcefully, and over the corpses of whoever bitches about it. There's no other way to survive as a species. Plus, it would probably involve a lot of cool looking implants and wires and blinky lights and stuff, which is all far more important than not being spied on. Which isn't important at all. And no, I'm not being sarcastic or facetious. I fully support the transhumanist ideal of erasing the individual human mind from existence in favor of a collective consciousness aided by heavy and probably reckless use of technology. And, of course, gulags for anyone who doesn't like it.

I would prefer not to. ( :

That's fine. There's plenty of room in the camps, and someone's gonna have to be on commode duty.

 :lulz:...   :horrormirth:
Title: Re: Hopeful but realistic ten-year scenarios
Post by: Frontside Back on January 21, 2018, 01:56:11 pm
As for the CIA and Google thing, I assume you're referencing some kind of future world where people give a fuck about privacy. While that may very well happen in the next 10 years, it won't do so on this planet. See, privacy is a myth. It always has been a myth, and anyone who believes in it might as well go to church on Sundays too, because it's that kind of fake. But not only is there no such thing as privacy, privacy has no right to exist anyway. If you're scared of men in black suits finding out what you fap to when nobody's looking, you're just not living. Plus, all this worrying about privacy is seriously impeding the cybernetic hivemind society I want to live in. We need to erase all concept of the self, forcefully, and over the corpses of whoever bitches about it. There's no other way to survive as a species. Plus, it would probably involve a lot of cool looking implants and wires and blinky lights and stuff, which is all far more important than not being spied on. Which isn't important at all. And no, I'm not being sarcastic or facetious. I fully support the transhumanist ideal of erasing the individual human mind from existence in favor of a collective consciousness aided by heavy and probably reckless use of technology. And, of course, gulags for anyone who doesn't like it.

I would prefer not to. ( :

That's fine. There's plenty of room in the camps, and someone's gonna have to be on commode duty.

Why'd you need camps on a transhumanist post-scarcity society tho? People who don't want to be part of hivemind could easily coexist and even be of use for the collective with their fresh perspective. Why everyone thinks there's only one right answer that will take over the world? That hasn't happened once in the whole of history and probably never will. Psychodiversity is our main survival mechanism.