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Principia Discordia => Think for Yourself, Schmuck! => Topic started by: PrimordialAtom on January 22, 2018, 05:18:05 pm

Title: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: PrimordialAtom on January 22, 2018, 05:18:05 pm
I had a thought. From what I have read esoterics wise, people go through stages. Barbarism, culture, civilization, and I forgot the next one. I was wondering if there is anything in the mystery religious discussing why we incarnate in a given racial avatar and whether it indicates anything on which stage a person is on?

I ask because each race has it's average intelligence and wonder if any of it was related. This post is in no way meant to be racist or any crap like that. It is an honest question.

Now that I typed that, I recall each race is from somewhere else, and Earth is the dumping ground.  Any info on any of this? Thanks!
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: Cramulus on January 22, 2018, 05:36:20 pm
Hi there! I don't follow the question.


'why we incarnate in a racial avatar' - what do you mean by that?
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: PrimordialAtom on January 22, 2018, 05:43:40 pm
Hi there! I don't follow the question.


'why we incarnate in a racial avatar' - what do you mean by that?

Why we incarnate in a body of a given race. Does each race offer a different lesson.

Well for one, what decides what we will incarnate as? It is a fact that races differ in things such as intelligence, body makeup, size, weight etc. I wondered if a given race is a specific lesson or something like that.  Like why did I incarnate as a white boy this time yet another time I probably incarnated as an asian of black. Is there a reason for the racial choice of vessel/avatar?
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: PoFP on January 22, 2018, 05:44:05 pm
I had a thought. From what I have read esoterics wise, people go through stages. Barbarism, culture, civilization, and I forgot the next one. I was wondering if there is anything in the mystery religious discussing why we incarnate in a given racial avatar and whether it indicates anything on which stage a person is on?

I ask because each race has it's average intelligence and wonder if any of it was related. This post is in no way meant to be racist or any crap like that. It is an honest question.

Now that I typed that, I recall each race is from somewhere else, and Earth is the dumping ground.  Any info on any of this? Thanks!

The only correlation between Race and IQ that's been determined is actually a correlation between socioeconomic status and IQ. Studies indicating a correlation between Race and IQ didn't account for differences in socioeconomic status, which have been found to be highly connected to IQ and Race, separately. IQ is determined by a vast and complex interplay between environment, genes, and several areas of psychology and neurological development.

Also, not a single person on this planet has left the Barbarism stage by any stretch of the imagination, and the meat sack we're "blessed" with is a demonstration of the fact that we're still in the stage of Barbarism. Our skin color and other racial characteristics are derived directly by genes that have been co-written by the elaborate relationship between genes, environmental factors, and randomization that we call Evolution.



Not the magickal answer you were looking for? Too bad. No refunds.
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: PrimordialAtom on January 22, 2018, 05:54:27 pm
I had a thought. From what I have read esoterics wise, people go through stages. Barbarism, culture, civilization, and I forgot the next one. I was wondering if there is anything in the mystery religious discussing why we incarnate in a given racial avatar and whether it indicates anything on which stage a person is on?

I ask because each race has it's average intelligence and wonder if any of it was related. This post is in no way meant to be racist or any crap like that. It is an honest question.

Now that I typed that, I recall each race is from somewhere else, and Earth is the dumping ground.  Any info on any of this? Thanks!

The only correlation between Race and IQ that's been determined is actually a correlation between socioeconomic status and IQ. Studies indicating a correlation between Race and IQ didn't account for differences in socioeconomic status, which have been found to be highly connected to IQ and Race, separately. IQ is determined by a vast and complex interplay between environment, genes, and several areas of psychology and neurological development.

Also, not a single person on this planet has left the Barbarism stage by any stretch of the imagination, and the meat sack we're "blessed" with is a demonstration of the fact that we're still in the stage of Barbarism. Our skin color and other racial characteristics are derived directly by genes that have been co-written by the elaborate relationship between genes, environmental factors, and randomization that we call Evolution.



Not the magickal answer you were looking for? Too bad. No refunds.

I have to respectfully disagree. I have been studying this stuff long enough and from what I gather is that everyone is at a different stage. Most still in Barbarism but there are many that are past it. Burning witches and slaughtering villages was the barbarism stage which many are past, I believe. :) To each their own. Thanks for the reply! :)
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: LMNO on January 22, 2018, 05:59:45 pm
I ask because each race has it's average intelligence

What the fuck.
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: PrimordialAtom on January 22, 2018, 06:04:32 pm
I ask because each race has it's average intelligence

What the fuck.

Yea? Every single school has a graph and there a gazillions of studies elsewhere.
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: PoFP on January 22, 2018, 06:13:55 pm
I ask because each race has it's average intelligence

What the fuck.

Yea? Every single school has a graph and there a gazillions of studies elsewhere.


The only correlation between Race and IQ that's been determined is actually a correlation between socioeconomic status and IQ. Studies indicating a correlation between Race and IQ didn't account for differences in socioeconomic status, which have been found to be highly connected to IQ and Race, separately. IQ is determined by a vast and complex interplay between environment, genes, and several areas of psychology and neurological development.

Pasting quote from above, because you obviously missed it.
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: PrimordialAtom on January 22, 2018, 06:19:07 pm
Again that is untrue. That is the feel good version. There are differences in cranial size, brain size, structure, etc between races. Anthropologists can detrmine race by bones because of the obvious difference in features. Let's not be politically correct.

Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: LMNO on January 22, 2018, 06:20:27 pm
Take your dog-eared copy of The Bell Curve and get the hell out of here. 
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: PoFP on January 22, 2018, 06:30:08 pm
Again that is untrue. That is the feel good version. There are differences in cranial size, brain size, structure, etc between races. Anthropologists can detrmine race by bones because of the obvious difference in features. Let's not be politically correct.

 :lulz:

Well that was fast.
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: Cain on January 22, 2018, 06:34:51 pm
This is your brain on Evola.
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: PrimordialAtom on January 22, 2018, 06:35:46 pm
Wow. Okay. I thought we were intelligent here. I guess everything that walks on 4 legs is the same, all birds are the same, even though crows and others have obvious advantages in intel.  And just like that, all bi-pedals are the same as well. Sarcasm aside, why do we classify the differences of every single species on this planet, but when it comes to human's, we stay far away from that. Whatever. Esoterics also teaches about common sense and logic, and how often the simplest answer is the right one.

I am done here. :)
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: LMNO on January 22, 2018, 06:37:52 pm
The only species of human is Homo Sapiens, dumbass.
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: PoFP on January 22, 2018, 07:52:37 pm
Wow. Okay. I thought we were intelligent here. I guess everything that walks on 4 legs is the same, all birds are the same, even though crows and others have obvious advantages in intel.  And just like that, all bi-pedals are the same as well. Sarcasm aside, why do we classify the differences of every single species on this planet, but when it comes to human's, we stay far away from that. Whatever. Esoterics also teaches about common sense and logic, and how often the simplest answer is the right one.

I am done here. :)


Based on your usage of the word "Esoterics," it's pretty obvious that you have no idea what it means.

The genetic and environmental bases for IQ simply aren't related to race. Just because it's easy to say that differences in one area of physical characteristics likely contribute to differences in neurological characteristics, doesn't mean it's true. And if you're seriously basing your decisions on which ideas to believe off of "...often the simplest answer is the right one" then you're a complete moron.

Any source attempting to make the claim that IQ varies between groups of people due to genetic variations simply doesn't understand the complexity of the cognitive processes that go into testing IQ. Cognition is based on the complex communication between millions of neural circuits that are constantly changing. The speed at which different networks communicate with each other is determined by multiple factors, including synaptic volume (Number of synapses), levels of Long-Term Potentiation and Long-Term Depression between each neuron, chemical messenger levels, overall connectedness of key brain regions used in specified cognition, etc. Almost every single one of these factors is affected mainly by environmental shifts during brain development, and live shifts in brain structure that occur from all the other processes that are taking place in the entire body. Everything from hormones, to body temperature, to stress levels also affect almost all of these things. The main genetic aspects of cognition involve epigenetics, which, by definition, rely on environmental changes to trigger the transcription of genes.

The few situations where they've found slight changes in brain region size between races don't even apply because the brain regions affected didn't affect any of the types of cognition involved in taking an IQ test, nor would the size differences be consequential to processing speed in any way. Differences in brain region size don't always translate into differences in brain region efficacy. Structure and connectedness is what matters, not size.
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: Faust on January 22, 2018, 10:27:28 pm
A races average intelligence is about as useful a figure as the fact that the average name is "Muhammad Wang", I've never met a Muhammad Wang, have you?

It's been nearly a decade since I've seen someone try to justify their biases and prejudices with Woo. There's a place for people like you, its called MysticWicks, you'll be happy there, please check it out.
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: LuciferX on January 23, 2018, 04:28:52 am
"... the great majority of genetic differences can be found between individuals from any one of the major continents, and, on average, only a small proportion of additional differences will be found between individuals from two different continents. Furthermore, [given the comparatively low diversify of the human genome, and] because human history is a history of population movement, and because humans are extraordinarily adept at sharing their DNA, the genetic boundaries between populations are typically indistinct."
-L.B. Jorde, USM
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: Space Adventures Of Christ on January 23, 2018, 06:33:02 am
Race is just genetics distorted by cultural bias (and stereotypes)

Racism is believing it or acting out on it.


It's all bullshit at the end of the day, we are all humans that are ignorantly rolling around in our own shit (especially the rich people, who regularly eat it)
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: Space Adventures Of Christ on January 23, 2018, 06:44:42 am
Maybe what the world's racists need is a worldwide orgy, where they can finally realize for themselves that all humans** have willies and pussies, tits, ears, eyes, noses, toes, ass-cracks.



**not speaking of gender/sex here
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: ReverendJesus on January 23, 2018, 08:25:52 am
There are differences in cranial size, brain size, structure, etc between races

"See these three dimples on the back of the skull?"
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: Frontside Back on January 23, 2018, 03:26:00 pm
Maybe what the world's racists need is a worldwide orgy

Wouldn't work if racism was inherited genetically  :lulz:
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 28, 2018, 04:15:41 pm
I had a thought. From what I have read esoterics wise, people go through stages. Barbarism, culture, civilization, and I forgot the next one. I was wondering if there is anything in the mystery religious discussing why we incarnate in a given racial avatar and whether it indicates anything on which stage a person is on?

I ask because each race has it's average intelligence and wonder if any of it was related. This post is in no way meant to be racist or any crap like that. It is an honest question.

Now that I typed that, I recall each race is from somewhere else, and Earth is the dumping ground.  Any info on any of this? Thanks!

The only correlation between Race and IQ that's been determined is actually a correlation between socioeconomic status and IQ. Studies indicating a correlation between Race and IQ didn't account for differences in socioeconomic status, which have been found to be highly connected to IQ and Race, separately. IQ is determined by a vast and complex interplay between environment, genes, and several areas of psychology and neurological development.

Also, not a single person on this planet has left the Barbarism stage by any stretch of the imagination, and the meat sack we're "blessed" with is a demonstration of the fact that we're still in the stage of Barbarism. Our skin color and other racial characteristics are derived directly by genes that have been co-written by the elaborate relationship between genes, environmental factors, and randomization that we call Evolution.



Not the magickal answer you were looking for? Too bad. No refunds.

I have to respectfully disagree. I have been studying this stuff long enough and from what I gather is that everyone is at a different stage. Most still in Barbarism but there are many that are past it. Burning witches and slaughtering villages was the barbarism stage which many are past, I believe. :) To each their own. Thanks for the reply! :)

Garbage in, garbage out
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 30, 2018, 04:39:31 am
I had a thought. From what I have read esoterics wise, people go through stages. Barbarism, culture, civilization, and I forgot the next one. I was wondering if there is anything in the mystery religious discussing why we incarnate in a given racial avatar and whether it indicates anything on which stage a person is on?

I ask because each race has it's average intelligence and wonder if any of it was related. This post is in no way meant to be racist or any crap like that. It is an honest question.

Now that I typed that, I recall each race is from somewhere else, and Earth is the dumping ground.  Any info on any of this? Thanks!

I see someone's been reading Arthur Jensen's crap.

GTFO.
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on January 31, 2018, 05:29:50 pm
It is my peraonal belief that all races are equally the devil. Only by mixing the races can the devil be diluted out and banished. There won't be lasting peace until everyone is extremely mixed. This makes me somewhat trepidatious about proposals for moon and mars colonies; I know they're still just pupe dreams at this point, no matter what Elon Musk says, but if they were to succeed too early they could interfere with the free admixture of mankind.
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: PoFP on January 31, 2018, 05:40:58 pm
It is my peraonal belief that all races are equally the devil. Only by mixing the races can the devil be diluted out and banished. There won't be lasting peace until everyone is extremely mixed. This makes me somewhat trepidatious about proposals for moon and mars colonies; I know they're still just pupe dreams at this point, no matter what Elon Musk says, but if they were to succeed too early they could interfere with the free admixture of mankind.

That's absurd... Wanting only one race/ethnicity to exist is the same as wanting all of them to exist as one. The basis of the argument is to ensure that everyone is the same. In a way, you're proposing a master race. The difference between you and a Nazi is that the Nazis chose their master race as one of only white people. Your Master race just involves the mixture of all the races. You're still racist.

But don't worry, I'll give you the opportunity to take that back.
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: Hoopla on January 31, 2018, 06:01:21 pm
Would what Shandor suggests even result in a single race? With the distance involved across the globe, along with certain areas being less accessible wouldn’t there always be certain variations?
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 31, 2018, 06:07:00 pm
Would what Shandor suggests even result in a single race? With the distance involved across the globe, along with certain areas being less accessible wouldn’t there always be certain variations?

Yep. Some people would still be lighter skinned, some people would still be darker skinned.
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: PoFP on January 31, 2018, 06:29:41 pm
Would what Shandor suggests even result in a single race? With the distance involved across the globe, along with certain areas being less accessible wouldn’t there always be certain variations?

Yep. Some people would still be lighter skinned, some people would still be darker skinned.

Well, I think to an extent, that would still be considered a single race after so many generations as people of the same race still have plenty of variations between each other. But yeah, the variations between those of this single proposed race would be even greater than the variations we see among the races that exist today.

Either way, his idea was completely retarded. And also morally depraved.
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: Cain on January 31, 2018, 06:30:31 pm
So, another half-baked Shandor idea.  Is anyone really surprised?
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: Hoopla on January 31, 2018, 06:36:19 pm
Naw.
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on January 31, 2018, 11:39:22 pm
The only way to ensure all races to be preserved is for everyone to be a little bit of everything

And the only way to permanently eliminate racial strife is to eliminate the false idol of racial purity once and for all.

I will, however, admit that it was a bit hypocritical for me to be talking about this while still criticizing other people's pipe dreams.
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 01, 2018, 01:37:44 am
The only way to ensure all races to be preserved is for everyone to be a little bit of everything

And the only way to permanently eliminate racial strife is to eliminate the false idol of racial purity once and for all.

I will, however, admit that it was a bit hypocritical for me to be talking about this while still criticizing other people's pipe dreams.

Why should races be "preserved"? People reproduce with people they want to reproduce with. People who don't want to reproduce, don't.

You can eliminate the false idol of racial purity by teaching people not to be dumbasses and helping them escape their dumbassery.

You're advocating for eugenics and using a stupid justification for it. Just stop killing people and let them have sex with people who reciprocate that particular desire.
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: LuciferX on February 01, 2018, 10:32:38 am
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I remember this one time forgetting to pack my copy of _Heart of Darkness_.
[Disclaimer: This post was made during a void of moon, obviating all relational meaning for any engagement therewith.]
[Advisement: None taken]
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on February 01, 2018, 05:48:45 pm
The only way to ensure all races to be preserved is for everyone to be a little bit of everything

And the only way to permanently eliminate racial strife is to eliminate the false idol of racial purity once and for all.

I will, however, admit that it was a bit hypocritical for me to be talking about this while still criticizing other people's pipe dreams.

Why should races be "preserved"? People reproduce with people they want to reproduce with. People who don't want to reproduce, don't.

You can eliminate the false idol of racial purity by teaching people not to be dumbasses and helping them escape their dumbassery.

You're advocating for eugenics and using a stupid justification for it. Just stop killing people and let them have sex with people who reciprocate that particular desire.

I didn't say anything about killing people. Are you tripping?
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 01, 2018, 07:58:28 pm
The only way to ensure all races to be preserved is for everyone to be a little bit of everything

And the only way to permanently eliminate racial strife is to eliminate the false idol of racial purity once and for all.

I will, however, admit that it was a bit hypocritical for me to be talking about this while still criticizing other people's pipe dreams.

Why should races be "preserved"? People reproduce with people they want to reproduce with. People who don't want to reproduce, don't.

You can eliminate the false idol of racial purity by teaching people not to be dumbasses and helping them escape their dumbassery.

You're advocating for eugenics and using a stupid justification for it. Just stop killing people and let them have sex with people who reciprocate that particular desire.

I didn't say anything about killing people. Are you tripping?

How else is a race in danger if going extinct, if not through genocide? You seem to think it's inevitable
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 01, 2018, 07:59:01 pm
I mean, you're the last person to be asking someone if they're tripping
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: Hoopla on February 01, 2018, 11:34:29 pm
 :lulz:
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on February 02, 2018, 02:07:15 am
The only way to ensure all races to be preserved is for everyone to be a little bit of everything

And the only way to permanently eliminate racial strife is to eliminate the false idol of racial purity once and for all.

I will, however, admit that it was a bit hypocritical for me to be talking about this while still criticizing other people's pipe dreams.

Why should races be "preserved"? People reproduce with people they want to reproduce with. People who don't want to reproduce, don't.

You can eliminate the false idol of racial purity by teaching people not to be dumbasses and helping them escape their dumbassery.

You're advocating for eugenics and using a stupid justification for it. Just stop killing people and let them have sex with people who reciprocate that particular desire.

I didn't say anything about killing people. Are you tripping?

How else is a race in danger if going extinct, if not through genocide? You seem to think it's inevitable

As long as there are different races there are eventually going to be more to be Hitlers and Hirohitos and Andrew Jacksons. You can't expect the whole world to join hands and sing kumbayah. You can only count on maybe around 52%
Title: Re: Questions on race and comin subraces, etc
Post by: Frontside Back on February 08, 2018, 01:22:45 am
The only way to ensure all races to be preserved is for everyone to be a little bit of everything

And the only way to permanently eliminate racial strife is to eliminate the false idol of racial purity once and for all.

I will, however, admit that it was a bit hypocritical for me to be talking about this while still criticizing other people's pipe dreams.

Why should races be "preserved"? People reproduce with people they want to reproduce with. People who don't want to reproduce, don't.

You can eliminate the false idol of racial purity by teaching people not to be dumbasses and helping them escape their dumbassery.

You're advocating for eugenics and using a stupid justification for it. Just stop killing people and let them have sex with people who reciprocate that particular desire.

I didn't say anything about killing people. Are you tripping?

How else is a race in danger if going extinct, if not through genocide? You seem to think it's inevitable

As long as there are different races there are eventually going to be more to be Hitlers and Hirohitos and Andrew Jacksons. You can't expect the whole world to join hands and sing kumbayah. You can only count on maybe around 52%

There won't be, if we eat all of them as a baby. Only up until someone starts to question how would you know which ones are destined to become dictators, and maybe you just enjoy digesting children. Oh hey let's give one a chancHOLY SHIT THE KIDDO ACTUALLY ENSLAVED THE WHOLE WORLD