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In a warped sense of satisfaction, (and this is where I want people to warn me if I have been drinking the nationalist coolaid) for 80 years Northern Ireland has been Ireland's problem, and it has been dismissed and dismissed.
Now its Everyone's problem.

Personally, I get it I think.

It’s not the same thing at all, but I look at it how trans rights went from “a few freaks no one cares about” to “major social issue” over the course of about two years.

Yeah, it put me in more danger in the medium term, because horrible little goblins are aware I exist and intend to punish me for it, but it isn’t something just me and the 15 internet people I know talk about now, now everyone needs to give a fuck about it one way or the other.

Just finally having all of the bullshit you’ve put up with in relative secrecy out in the open is liberating, even if everything is going to catch fire around it. I think you’re fine.
I don't have a frame of context not being trans myself, but years of being marginalised and rebuffed, or concerns dismissed as irrelevant, yes it is that sense of relief that should everything go down the shitter now, it is impossible to ignore any further.

I wouldn't say optimistic, but there are temporary emergency measures in place for 9 months, if the big ooops is going to come it is going to come then. If it wasn't for them I would say it is likely to happen next week.
That said, you could see 9 months of people frantically divesting from the UK economy and moving it elsewhere so worldwide recession is probable.

What is this backstop you speak of? Not being cheeky. I literally have no idea what you mean.

Crash course Northern Ireland:
Catholics in Northern Ireland had for decades been treated as second class citizens which led to guerilla warfare by the IRA and a whole list of atrocities committed by
The IRA (Republican, see themselves as Irish) Bombings, shootings, disappearances
UVF (Loyalist, see themselves as British)  Bombings, shootings, disappearances
The British Army (used to keep the peace, occasionally fucked up and intentionally or accidentally shot innocent people and children)

Eventually everyone got sick of a war without end.
In 1998, The UK and Ireland (with the US and EU as guarantor) signed a peace treaty called The Good Friday agreement. In short it ended a lot of issues by recognizing the rights of republicans in NI as Irish. Specifically the text is "The right to live as British, Irish or both".
This had the following effects:
Borders were dismantled
The army removed
Ireland removed its claim to Northern Ireland (which it had had since the formation of the state)
The IRA disarmed
People stopped being killed
No one was satisfied or happy but compromised for a lasting peace

This was largely possible because both Ireland and the UK were part of the same customs territory, which deviation would require the introduction of a border.
To the UK a border is just a practicality of mantaining taxation, regulation on goods
To Ireland and the Irish in NI, it is a symbol of division, a symbolic Berlin wall

At the start of these negotiations, Ireland insisted that the UK uphold the Good Friday agreement, this was handwaved away, a response the UK has had for Ireland for centuries. This time something was different. As the Nation most effected by Brexit the EU said "Hang on, we need to sort this out first."
In 2017 The Tory government committed that yes northern Ireland would not be a problem.
The EU put that in a legal text, first proposed as NI directly stay in the Customs Union, which the DUP, a Northern Irish Unionist group (A set of ten time travelers from the 1600's who somehow hold the UK governments balance of power) balked at this.
May evaded committing to this legal text until 2018, it became "the backstop", where Northern Ireland stays in the EU customs union if no other solution is found.
She eventually agreed to this in principle with the EU.
It was shot to pieces when she brought the agreement back to parliament. It is seen as an attempt to Annex Northern Ireland, or by extension control the UK after it leaves the EU. Which I do kind of understand, but the alternative means ripping up a peace treaty.
In reality all Ireland has requested is that NI stay exactly as it is now, Uphold the existing commitment to the Good Friday agreement.

Since then there have been attempts to instead time limit the backstop (IE that it just expires after an amount of time, and then the GFA is reneged on and a border put in place). Ireland has rejected this, as have the EU.
Since then a game of chicken has been played where the UK has assumed that the EU would eventually throw Ireland under the bus and time limit the backstop.
Even if the EU does, to ratify any trade agreement it requires a unanimous vote: Which Ireland will veto. There are still some people who think Ireland will blink, which is unlikely, if our government compromise they will be seen to have betrayed the people of Northern Ireland, at best they would never be voted in again ( I cant understate how important this issue is to the average person).
Therefore the only outcomes that remained were "No deal", "Cancel brexit" or "Reconsider this rejected agreement"

The potential consequences of no deal are:
Worldwide economic collapse (unlikely)
Recession in the EU (probable)
10-20 year economic depression in the UK (Likely in any outcome, including taking the deal, but is estimated at 10% of GDP in no deal)
Food shortages for the UK (unlikely, but possible)
Medical shortage (likely, the UK falls out of the regulatory framework for these unless it adopts all of the EU standards)
Energy disputes (Eirgrid own the grid infrastructure of northern Ireland, and without a dispute mechanism in place for resolving energy payments  they will be requiring energy payments for NI in advance, if not NI could face power outages) (likely)
And most significantly supply chains in the UK which rely on Just in time or have goods that perish could go from a number of hours through the channel tunnel to days. (likely)
That's off the top of my head.

If an economic collapse of the same magnitude of Lehaman brothers is the outcome of no deal brexit, it is a demonstration of why peace in Northern Ireland is so important.  Economic chaos is the price to be paid to uphold that commitment to the rights of the people of Northern Ireland and to protect the peace treaty.

In a warped sense of satisfaction, (and this is where I want people to warn me if I have been drinking the nationalist coolaid) for 80 years Northern Ireland has been Ireland's problem, and it has been dismissed and dismissed.
Now its Everyone's problem.

People in downing street frantically googling "What is a supply chain", followed by "gravity of trade" followed by "what to stockpile in a zombie apocalypse"

I dont know if I agree that the EU would be stupid to allow no deal to happen. Firstly they have no choice, Ireland will veto any deal without the backstop, and second they have been open about their requirements all along.

There's this constant attempt to recontextualise the problem as the EUs to solve,  IE the UK wants it to drop the backstop which wont happen,  no deal is preferrable. If no deal is to happen it better be without extension then prolonging this further.
It may be the only way the UK realises the backstop is non negotiable and will be waiting should they ever want a trade deal,  security deal,  medical research collab, or to restore the flow of goods in and out.
Item 1 on the agenda will always be the backstop. In five years,  ten,  thirty. It will be similar to the Greece/Turkey veto.

I'm fairly certain the EU tactic now is to allow no deal to happen, asset stripping commences, either the UK comes back either looking for Mays deal or full customs union without the backstop.
11% or 1tn pounds of the asset management portfolio is moving out of the UK and that is now regardless of brexit happening or not, they cant wait any longer
I would expect these to increase after no deal occurs.

Principia Discussion / Re: Explaining Ourselves
« on: March 19, 2019, 01:36:26 pm »
A little more about the layer of reality behind our perceptions

No, Chairs do not exist
This is just goading people to crack him over the head with a barstool.

Apple Talk / Re: Capeshit
« on: March 18, 2019, 10:16:10 pm »
And while I get that people have begun shitting on Marvel movies for using humor so much, if the alternative is Man of Steel and Batman v Superman, I will take a heaping spoonful of Emo Phillips.
Those are polar opposites though, BvS is the most dreary, boring, badly written film I've seen in years. The TV show Titans goes with serious drama and it works well because it is mostly a character drama, and has some beautiful cinematography.
I'm not shitting on Marvel exactly, just that well executed comedy is hard to do, Thor Ragnarok does it spectacularly while keeping the pace up and somehow conveying information that is important. In captain marvel, most of the jokes are good, and some fall flat but they kind of come at the expense of other stuff.

Apple Talk / Re: Film Flam
« on: March 18, 2019, 10:10:55 pm »
I'm feeling guilty because I have spent too much time posting posting about superhero films in crams thread.

I'm going to try and add some of the stuff I have watched over the last year that I've enjoyed:
The Killing of the sacred deer. Going to get this one over with fast. Relentlessly uncomfortable to watch this is the opposite of light entertainment. The film is about a surgeon wracked with guilt over botching a heart surgery, and trying but tiring of being a surrogate father to the dead mans kid, the kid then places a curse on his family, a similar curse to the one Artemis placed on.
The whole thing has the same stilted talking past each other dialog of his other film The Lobster, and over time a sick sense of humor fills the story, though not to the extent it ever becomes comfortable.
His other film The Favorite is slick and nasty Victorian intrigue and is good fun and worth watching just for the three lead actresses performance.

Apple Talk / Re: Capeshit
« on: March 18, 2019, 09:59:07 pm »
Captain Marvel was... OK. It uses the same skeleton of humor they have been using since Guardians of the galaxy, but the plot was weaker then average and they aren't great with the plots in general. That said its fun, the characters are entertaining but the films are giving diminishing returns.

In a Superhero movie, I want to see people in tights punch each other.

A lack of actual contradictions in the plot is also good.

I am not looking for Bonfire of the Vanities, here.
I'm not saying I'm looking for high art.
As spectacle, the punch each other part is running its course for me for a few years unless they find way to keep it creative.
Plot contradictions I probably wont even notice, plot dumps in the first five minutes and then the main character seeking to fill in the plot dumps the audience has just had because of amnesia wears out its welcome.
There are ways to keep the films creative which is hard where they are designed by committee and made on an assembly line but every so often some of them doing it freshly.

Apple Talk / Re: Capeshit
« on: March 18, 2019, 08:56:46 pm »
Captain Marvel was... OK. It uses the same skeleton of humor they have been using since Guardians of the galaxy, but the plot was weaker then average and they aren't great with the plots in general. That said its fun, the characters are entertaining but the films are giving diminishing returns.

Apple Talk / Re: Capeshit
« on: March 18, 2019, 10:37:48 am »
Look what you are discussing is an important social issue, but can we get back to the business at hand of forcing cramulus to choose a side in the mcu/dc film conflict

Could that lead to cross party cooperation? Or more likely just more chaos

Apple Talk / Re: Capeshit
« on: March 13, 2019, 12:12:16 pm »
Taika Waititi is a brilliant comedy writer, the kiwi sense of humor. Thor Rangernok is enjoyable from start to finish, has very little substance, but it's a fun ride without much to think about after which is all marvel really do now. If he did another Thor I would definitely watch it.

Thor being thick as shit, and a power fantasy kind of works for his character as well, it almost gets a pass on the simplistic morality and character depth because he is a god, and gods don't need to justify their choices.

Apple Talk / Re: Capeshit
« on: March 12, 2019, 07:00:40 pm »
Deadpool has one of the best,  of the very few human relationships  in all the superhero films combined. Vanessa and wade are interesting characters... deadpool and the so so humour not so much

Apple Talk / Re: Capeshit
« on: March 12, 2019, 05:06:05 pm »
Superheroes are a plot device, not a genre, they are only as good as the writer, themes and character exploration they perform.
All of the superhero films since Burtons are garbage (nolans Joker was good but on a re-watch, there is a lot of bluster to those films with very little substance).

Here comes an unsolicited WHATABOUT list which you probably don't want considering what you said, but here are some I consider to be the good stories.

The comics however have well written exceptions, but they dont tend to be popular.
Barring what you mentioned with watchmen, which is NOT a superhero story it is a critic of power fantasy and the dangerous morality of that (Ozemandias plot was a reflection of the logical outcome of)
Miracle Man is a scary comparison to Zarathustra that nicely compliments watchmen
Swamp thing (deals with a lot of complex themes, nicely played relationships and some of the mysticism reads almost like biblical parable, the death of Zatarro hurts)

Irrideemable is a wonderful superman / mad god parable of what happens when he goes beyond bad to irredeemable and the reason it has weight is The Plutonians snap, isn't portrayed as a sudden thing, but a gradual breakdown that is the logical outcome of his life. It flubs the very end but its a great journey.

Doom patrol (Garth Ennis, Keith Giffen and Gerard ways) for just surrealism with broken people works really well but you can barely call them a superhero team.
I wont talk about the Invisibles because I know you've read it Cram, it's still one of my favorites.

Watchmen being a critical analysis of superheroes is both formal and attempts to be fair to the story type... but Garth Ennis The Boys does not. It's mean spirited, sick sense of humor fun all the way but goes out of its way to attack all the established tropes of superheroes. It's got well developed characters as well despite its initial crass superficial story telling with occasional moments of genuine heart.

Starman Omibus. One of the worst things about superheroes is because they have to go on forever they can never have lasting changes or ends. This has a beautiful story arc with a definitive ending about the brother of star man who reluctantly takes up the mantle, before getting his arch nemesis pregnant and needing to deal with the outcome of that.

The bottom line is, follow talented writers, not characters and there are good stories to be had (Moore, Mark Maid, Garth Ennis, Brian azzerello, Jonathan Hickman, generally wont let you down).

For Films (fuck all, cheeseburger films)
For TV, Legion (surreal portrayal of a mentally ill person who also is a danger to himself and others because he has powers that occasionally goes up its own ass), Titans (1 season establishing with human frail characters) but it and thats about it.

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