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Back in my college years, I used to use RSS, getting my most recent new items pulled from the sites that I wanted. It's a simple system, and still works nicely for blog posts, web comics or any content that can go with long gaps between something new coming out. I started with google reader, then when they ditched that moved to digg reader, which too has fallen at the wayside and I've resorted to using feedly. It's neither the nicest interface, but it still gets me what I need in a focused space that I can look at and then move on.
I fear though that the days are numbered for RSS. If google and Digg both failed to make any money on it then its going to be hard for others to do the same right?

The alternatives are the user curated feeds of the social media sites. These were exciting technologies for a while with a lot of variety in the mix; LiveJournal and MySpace gave way to Bebo and  Facebook, twitter, snapchat etc. Facebook has for whatever reason held on to its staying power and has worn out its welcome.

What started out as addictive and an exciting technology with each of these was the ability to interact with your friends, and to tailor the content the site gave you to see. Stupid conversations, arguments and discussion of social events, the evidence in photo the morning after the night before and all that. It was fun, and fresh.
But it doesn't make the money these companies want. Sure it gave them page clicks, and a platform to advertise on, but adblock has always had a limiting effect on that, and these companies don't just want good revenue, they want every possible cent they can get out of you.
So we hear a lot about how facebook shares our details with advertisers, building elaborate profiles on you, what you like, where you have been, what items you have in your home, who you talk to, what your political leaning is, enough to make your average intelligence agency salivate at the thought (if you don't believe they have direct access on tap).

But that is only half of the problem. You see, sure the advertisers pay for ads on the page, and pay for your profile data, but what they really want, what they probably always wanted, was a direct channel to feed you their product. If they had attempted that in the early days people would have left in droves, so it has been a slow process of normalization.

The trick is to take away the users ability to curate their feed. In its simplest form I want to see the most recent, from all people and websites I have decided to follow.
So this was the first target. On facebook the default view is a hybridization of most popular and most active, to the people you interact with the most. There is an option to click most recent, but the site defaults back without telling you regularly, as well as hiding certain content entirely as a penalty for going on most recent.

As soon as you trust that the site knows better then you, as to what you should be seeing, they can start getting more adventurous.
They started simply: push news stories and "shared content" over text only status messages to normalise that what you will see will likely be from some other site.
The next step was pushing peoples interactions with specific companies "X likes this" for promoted venues, websites products etc. The person in question might have liked that a long time ago but as soon as those affiliates start paying for promotion, that stuff will start rising to the top like turds in the swimming pool.
The end goal is to be able to embed the advertisers content seamlessly in our feed so that we wont even be aware that there is content in there coming from no source you have decided to follow, at this point your curated feed is no longer your own, it belongs to someone else, the highest bidder

So apart from the sleazy commercialization of these system, the dangers of doing this should be obvious in recent years. We hear about the Fake news. The media manipulation through social media, the targeted adverts to bias elections based on your psychological profile from these sites. Russian troll farms could not have achieved what they did without the elaborate systems that have been built to facilitate them being able to show you, what they want you to see.
The Cambridge Analytica scandal and the tampering in the election were only the first steps of a newborn system of control. It was clunky, obvious, and attempted in a short period of time.

Imagine what can be accomplished over a longer period, with more subtle steering of social groups through a prolonged and simple system, The Conspiracy put a fat stack of cash on the table and say "we want good consumers who are apathetic to social change, who'll bicker among  themselves,  fracture and divide their energy and divert their attention away from where they need to look." These people do not have our best interests or the best interests of society at heart.

We have been sold to the greatest system of social control that has ever existed, it's been attempted in every communication medium that has ever existed, but it has never been as effective and dangerous as it is now.

So we come back to the user feed. Your agency to choose what you read, to choose what you see. The trend is spreading. YouTube recently changed the way their subscriptions work, and you can bet their end goal is to treat us like battery chickens eating whatever they put in front of us. I don't know what the answer is, we've probably already lost. People throw back the argument if you don't want it tochappen dont use their product, and maybe they are right, but what are the alternatives, paid subscriptions with a promise of protection?

We need the freedom to choose what we consume, to look at what is at the end of our fork, and if it is good for us to swallow.

That's why I love the forum bbs format, its transparent where everything comes from. It's not just good for discussion, or dissection of ideas, it's built for it. If someone comes in trying to spout propaganda or bad signal, that shit gets the bar stool. Take these forums for example, as long as this site exists, I will never share anyone's data. I will never try to push what you see here. If I think something is cool and Discordian related I'll put a link on the bog or front page because its something I think is worth sharing. We're not an active forum any more, but we're not a desert like some of the others have become, it's important for people to have a place where they can discuss the crazy shit going on in the world in a medium that isn't directly tied to the madness itself.

I'm afraid we are losing agency in the digital landscape, that the freedom to think for ourselves is under threat, and it all starts with them taking away your ability to decide what you see.
This ended up being more of a rant then I wanted to and probably needs a clean up, but I hope I'm not the only one who feels this way.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« on: June 21, 2018, 11:26:33 pm »
How does a 20 day limit work. Say for example their parents get sucked into a two year long case, when 20 days are up do they just dump them on the other side of the Rio grande?

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Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Free Russian Orphans with Every Purchase
« on: June 21, 2018, 04:09:17 pm »

Here's what it actually does…
1. Codifies Jeff Sessions' "zero tolerance" directive until new immigration legislation is passed.
2. Limits the definition of family to parent-child pairs. Aunts, uncles, grandparents, etc. are excluded.
3. Puts families under Homeland Security custody during criminal, immigration cases. Previously, children and detained families had to be held in facilities contracted by the Department of Health and Human Services.
3c. Authorizes the military to build new prisons for migrant families.
3d. Allows all Federal departments to offer their buildings as prisons.
3e. Authorizes the DOJ to try to wriggle out of the Flores Agreement.
4. Orders parents to be prosecuted first in immigration courts

Text of EO: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/affording-congress-opportunity-address-family-separation/

That last one makes it nigh on impossible for families to regain custody of their children, whole thing could take years and cost a fortune. It's stupid and petulant. I cant build my wall so I will hurt people and make a money pit.

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Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Free Russian Orphans with Every Purchase
« on: June 20, 2018, 11:38:35 pm »
Petulantly separating families and then saying it's the democrats fault for not letting him build his wall is the start of it. At some point this year people are going to walk into the oval office to find him stabbing Melania repeatedly and saying "STOP MAKING ME DO THIS".

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« on: June 20, 2018, 04:45:50 pm »
How long before one of these families is driven to commit some kind of 'terrorist' act?

You can expect it pretty much right after the first pedophilia reports.

That's already happened.

I hadn't seen the reports... Jesus.

https://www.gq.com/story/trump-on-immigrant-children

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A small sample of the abuses committed by officials includes:
    Denied detained children permission to stand or move freely for days and threatened children who stood up with transfer to solitary confinement in a small, freezing room

    Denied a pregnant minor medical attention when she reported pain, which preceded a stillbirth

    Subjected a 16-year-old girl to a search in which they “forcefully spread her legs and touched her private parts so hard that she screamed”

    Left a 4-pound premature baby and her minor mother in an overcrowded and dirty cell full of sick people, against medical advice

    Threw out a child’s birth certificate and threatened him with sexual abuse by an adult male detainee.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« on: June 20, 2018, 08:25:41 am »
How long before one of these families is driven to commit some kind of 'terrorist' act?

You can expect it pretty much right after the first pedophilia reports.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« on: June 19, 2018, 05:22:29 pm »
Could this be the straw that breaks the camels back? Surely among even the most hateful of the Republicans this is the line too far.

I heard  that bottlebrush Farage on LBC talking about it; shrugging his shoulders and saying, "welp it's not a hotel, it has to be bad to deter illegals". One step away from Vlad the Impaler, rows of dead to unnerve invading forces.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« on: June 19, 2018, 12:08:01 am »
I kind of support that idea. The more money he launches into outer space the less damage he can do at home.

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So...why is this post pinned?

My guess is pinned years ago and then forgotten.

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Trying to avoid posting in this thread because I don't want people to think I am Britain bashing. I wouldn't be surprised if the grand repeal bill allows abitrary changes of the law from now until Teresa May declares herself Lord Protector and  or one the three stooges (Boris/Mogg/Gove).

The negotiations have been incredibly frustrating. Or Just incredible in general, we can't trust a word out of Mays mouth. She has committed to the Republic  of Ireland and the EU that there will be no border in Northern Ireland. Committed to the DUP that there will be no regulatory divergence from the rest of the UK, in her own party she has committed to every variant of what the Brexit would be. She committed to the backstop to the EU and Ireland then rejected it saying it needs to be for a limited time (so she can just renege on it at her leisure)?
If we can't get a hard set in stone commitment on the border, its unlikely the negotiations will complete (WTO scenario).

So obviously she can't please everyone, for a while it looked like this wasn't just game playing, it was more a schizo monstrosity trying to negotiate internally and externally. But it looks like that was just some kind of tactic.
Then I saw this:
https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2018/0615/970823-tony-connelly-brexit/

So it looks like the UK went around back channels to member states in the EU to try and put pressure on the Republic to drop the border issue. No official response has been made yet, but I would hope that it will be in support of Ireland, that as a member state our interests will be supported and game playing roman court backstab politics by a nation that's planning to leave will be rejected.

The worst is, I see all this peevishness leading to the worst possible outcome. WTO is bad for the EU as well, but how can you negotiate an agreement with someone who consistently lies and tries to undermine the negotiation by playing games?

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Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Free Russian Orphans with Every Purchase
« on: June 15, 2018, 09:09:33 am »
So, speaking of work...

HR have rescheduled another meeting with me.  Given we've only arranged two meetings thus far, and both have had to be rescheduled (in each case adding an extra week into the process), that is quite impressive.

Oh well, at least this means I can have some beers and watch Egypt vs Uruguay tomorrow.

Which do you think will happen first the management meeting or the legal letter landing on their desk?

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Principia Discussion / Re: Adopt a sacred chaos
« on: June 14, 2018, 03:15:11 pm »
Where do I visit your nightclub?

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Isn't the clear answer to get some of those to come back, if they wanted to be here?

Sure you and Nigel had your reasons for falling out, conversely you are the two most stubborn people on the planet. Or Brenton, there isn't a bad bone in that lads body, I'm reading his book at the moment and its making me remember the energy and positivity Discordia had when we were really active.

Brenton's very first interaction with me, years and years ago when the first few intermittens were happening, was to hand me a really, really nasty slam on my writing.  Polite as hell, but polite the way a pile of rattlesnakes is polite...and it didn't get any better after that.  He may be a nice guy, but I have never seen it.  In fact, from my point of view, there aren't any GOOD bones in his body, either.  He sort of slithers all over the place.

As for Nigel, it's beyond "stubborn" or "angry" or even "hate".  It's just that 9 years of destructive conditioning was plenty, to be honest, and there is no remaining basis for anything resembling friendship or even civility.  Hasn't been any since 2010 if we're being honest about it.  Not to say that Nigel isn't smart, she taught me plenty...Not least of which, she taught me why abused people will keep forgiving their abuser, until one day they don't.  So it's not stubbornness that's the problem.

I'm all about being active, but I am not sure we could be active in exactly the same manner we were active in before.  After all, it was Nigel that slung the million ton ball of shit while I was trying to propose a new form for this board LAST time we talked about being active.

I used them as an example because the used to post here recently enough. That's not the point. I could list off people and there a probably good reasons not to reach out to any of them. My point was, if it's bothering you, pick someone and see can we can't kidnap them. If not there's no need.


I am unsure where this is coming from; I was just writing an excuse.  The entire point of that is to avoid having to actually justify myself.

What I'd really like to do is forget all about everything before July of 2017 (and especially before December of 2015) and just write some shit.  Something new.  If that helps board traffic, outstanding.  If not, I have managed to fill time between endless budget reforecast meetings.

Well that's something I can support, sure some people disappeared along the way but we got some nice rose bushes out the front of the pd forums.

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Isn't the clear answer to get some of those to come back, if they wanted to be here?

Sure you and Nigel had your reasons for falling out, conversely you are the two most stubborn people on the planet. Or Brenton, there isn't a bad bone in that lads body, I'm reading his book at the moment and its making me remember the energy and positivity Discordia had when we were really active.

Brenton's very first interaction with me, years and years ago when the first few intermittens were happening, was to hand me a really, really nasty slam on my writing.  Polite as hell, but polite the way a pile of rattlesnakes is polite...and it didn't get any better after that.  He may be a nice guy, but I have never seen it.  In fact, from my point of view, there aren't any GOOD bones in his body, either.  He sort of slithers all over the place.

As for Nigel, it's beyond "stubborn" or "angry" or even "hate".  It's just that 9 years of destructive conditioning was plenty, to be honest, and there is no remaining basis for anything resembling friendship or even civility.  Hasn't been any since 2010 if we're being honest about it.  Not to say that Nigel isn't smart, she taught me plenty...Not least of which, she taught me why abused people will keep forgiving their abuser, until one day they don't.  So it's not stubbornness that's the problem.

I'm all about being active, but I am not sure we could be active in exactly the same manner we were active in before.  After all, it was Nigel that slung the million ton ball of shit while I was trying to propose a new form for this board LAST time we talked about being active.

I used them as an example because the used to post here recently enough. That's not the point. I could list off people and there a probably good reasons not to reach out to any of them. My point was, if it's bothering you, pick someone and see can we can't kidnap them. If not there's no need.

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Isn't the clear answer to get some of those to come back, if they wanted to be here?

Sure you and Nigel had your reasons for falling out, conversely you are the two most stubborn people on the planet. Or Brenton, there isn't a bad bone in that lads body, I'm reading his book at the moment and its making me remember the energy and positivity Discordia had when we were really active.

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