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Techmology and Scientism / Re: Futurism up for discussion.
« on: Yesterday at 07:55:43 pm »
I'm thinking that the impact of crypto-currency and the shadow banking facilitated by the Internet and our advanced mathematical computing abilities is just starting. I'm very far from an expert but it sure does seem like a big damn deal as I sit and speculate. The ability to covertly transmit large amounts of value instantly is a MAJOR contributor to crime and institutional corruption. the Spartans even had a heavy and inconvenient spoiled iron currency for day to day trade in a direct attempt to mitigate this, reserving gold and such for external trade conducted by the royal houses. Now the stage is set in the exact opposite fashion. Folks could be carrying a 50mil bitcoin wallet on a thumbdrive in their pocket nobody the wiser.

I also wonder about the effects crypto-currency is having on the markets, but lack any real technical understanding. What I do know is that the international currency markets were already the least regulated in the world and that barring some sort of global economic pact there's no getting them out of the system as long as the exchanges keep valuing them.



Is this along the lines of discussion you had in mind here?

Cash is much much easier for crime and corruption than Bitcoin.  Bitcoin is NOT anonymous by any means, and people using it for illegal goods get caught all the time.  The value of Bitcoin to crime is in using it over the internet, like Paypal, but with less need to register.

Add to that the fact that much of the corruption here in the US is from our own government and banks, which can transfer huge mega sums of money anywhere quickly for corrupt, criminal, or other immoral purposes while leaving far less of a trail to investigate and get caught.  Entities that not only do so regularly, as a matter of course, but have the authority to print new money in massive economy-damaging amounts and they do THAT regularly.

Bitcoin has all kinds of issues but its reputation as a crime-supporting anonymous internet druglord currency (IE: Silkroad) is overblown and inaccurate.

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: Futurism up for discussion.
« on: Yesterday at 07:46:54 pm »
I am not interested in transhumanism or any of that infantile shit.  I am, in this thread, asking how things get done in the future to keep the toilets from exploding and the economy from melting faster than the icecaps and. oh yeah, those.

I'm reading some interesting stuff right now on economics as described rather than "as prescribed".  It's a fucking horrorshow.

Yes.  I'm just talking about using technology to keep the toilets from exploding and my goddamn washing machine running.  As for the economy, meh, I think that shit is toast and we'll need a new one.

The problem is, by now society has come to the realization that we have the technology to, for example, replace energy sources with renewable ones.  However, we do not have the money.  We have the technology to make all vehicles fully electric, and charge them via renewable energy sources.  We have the ability to grow enough good clean food for everyone, but we don't have the funding for that level of operation.  We do, however, have PLENTY of funding for the mega expensive endless circus we've made of our elections, and for the incredibly large amount of multi-million dollar hollywood films that come out each year, and of course the war racket.

In my mind the question is, how do we look past our broken economy to get the shit done that needs to get done to stop the toilets from exploding down the line?

That's why I said all that shit about having a positive revenue stream.  If the shit makes money, people who want to make money will want to fund another one.  People who have lots of money want to make money, generally.  The more that get funded and created, the more humans are living in a sustainable way.

America is the perfect place to start, as our consumption of finite resources is extremely high, and the potential for revenue similarly high.

I can shrug even harder than Atlas did.

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: Futurism up for discussion.
« on: Yesterday at 06:36:23 pm »
Alternatively, we could all just Go Galt.

 :sad:

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: One Community
« on: Yesterday at 06:33:58 pm »
I appreciate the feedback and will integrate it to the best of my ability.

I'll give you equally candid feedback. This feels more like trolling than an attempt to be constructive or helpful. Your guys' attitude towards me and and the project, including repeated profanity, personal attacks and questions that go far beyond focusing on facts and data, and general rudeness lead me to believe you'll never be satisfied with my answers.

I'll keep working. If you run into others like me actually getting things done and working to create a better world, I hope your approach will be more constructive. If it is, you'll probably maintain a more receptive audience. Reading your replies, I think there's more abuse here than help and I'm returning to focusing on what needs to be done rather than continue to participate here. As I said, I'll integrate what you've said though. Thank you for the input.

I think part of this is not quite understanding where you are.  This may be my mistake, as I should have warned you when I sent you the link. 

I appreciate you taking the time to come here and respond directly.  Try to see each persons response individually, as this is a place that contains many who love to troll.

As someone who is much more familiar with the general nature of this forum, I can tell you that your reception here is surprisingly positive.  Several highly respected members that are experts in areas your project needs experts in, have shown interest in this.  Many others are highly skeptical and even offensive, yes, me included, but that's the internet and it shouldn't stop you.

I will continue to watch the progress and see if anything happens, but if you really want this thing to be successful, or at least to maximize the chances, many of the questions that you haven't answered should be answered before people seriously consider contributing time or money to your project.

I understand you are busy and thus unlikely to take the time to really understand your audience here, but believe me when I tell you it is larger, more diverse, and made up of many more professionals and experts than you likely realize.  If you were able to truly satisfy the questions of many of those here and convince a few of the right folks I think you'd be very surprised at the result.

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If Jae flounced well, I suppose we tried.  I agree with Nigel that it's probably not a scam, and I also believe there is probably a lot of people involved who take it completely seriously and will do whatever it takes to get it going.

I just don't see their approach to funding as something that seems like it would work out.  They admit to needing millions of dollars, that's the part that gets me, yet the questions here about financial specifics go unanswered.  I get the impression that out of all their volunteers, they don't have enough business professionals or folks that know how to prepare the information being requested.  Maybe that's the problem.

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: Futurism up for discussion.
« on: Yesterday at 04:37:32 pm »
Well, I for one welcome our new Highest Good Of All overlords.

You know, if that particular one wasn't covered in cultish language and filled with psuedoscience experts and web designers I'd have a lot more hope for it.  They DO have some engineers and science types on board, but they seem rare.

I'm on the fence.  I think I'm going to wait and see and hold out that ray of hope that their plan really comes off as they intend and they get some kind of tourist community going.  I wouldn't live there, as their new-age bent and superstitious leanings and in particular the "expert" they've assigned to calculate dietary requirements, but if they provide a working example and actually get to the level of transparency they claim to seek, and actually produce a positive revenue stream, I could see more of them popping up.  With different ideals.

Hell at that point I might go and try to exploit any and all connections I have to get my own underway.  One based on reality with a strong anti-superstition bent.  Accepted, empirically peer-reviewed science or GTFO, sort of thing.

I think if the focus wasn't just sustainable living, but sustainable living with the highest degree of familiar creature comforts, it could have a real impact.  I know personally a metric fuckton of people that would love to live somewhere they can have the comforts and video games of home, live more cheaply than now, and be able to know they aren't fucking the environment to live that way.  Getting there is the big problem.  Each community would need a positive revenue stream to warrant the level of funding required.  That's my other big problem with the recent one, is they don't seem nearly worried enough about funding when funding is clearly the largest hurdle they're likely to face.

Awhile back I did some math and tried to figure what it would take to build up a large area with alternative energy technology and try to either sell energy into the grid or run a ton of modern bitcoin miners to turn the electricity into currency.  The ROI was way, way longer than can be reasonably predicted to go smoothly.  Basically, to make something like this work, the community would have to include enough of the right people and resources to create streams of income.  The tourism thing might actually work for those guys (or might not) but doesn't seem like the sort of thing that would work for very many of these communities very reliably as a major source of income.  Personally I think that could be handled though.  Some people have skills that are marketable, some people make stuff that can be sold for value, and some income can be made simply by investing in the technology.  For the latter, I'm thinking community Movie Theater, sports events, video gaming events, etc etc etc.  Similar to tourism, just having events people might want to come spend money at.

I've gotten off track though, you seem to want to discuss futurism in general.  Sign me up for wide-eyed dreamer please.  I just want to find the right opportunity to become a wide-eyed do-er.  Maybe we could get a GASM going related to this?  Discordian Futurism?  What would sticking apart in a self-sustaining community look like?

Ugh maybe it's time I go the fuck outside.

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Yeah, I'm hopeless idealist.  I know.

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Has anyone asked trump if he will parden snowden?
I'm fairly certain that given trumps winging it on the fly, there's a 50% chance he'd say yes.

Trump said if he was President there would be no question that Putin would extradite him to the USA, and that he would prosecute him under the Espionage Act, as he is a "total traitor".

Sure, but if you ask him AGAIN, there's still a 50% chance he will say yes.

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Luckily nobody is unfriending me for this (in real life -- I deleted my FB long ago), but those particular friends are very adamant that if I could just see their point of view, we could get bernie elected anyway and save the world or whatever.

If Trump wins I'm buying each of those fuckers a "Make America Great Again" hat, and making them wear it for a week, minimum.

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I have a certain group of friends trying really hard to convince me to waste my vote writing in bernie.

I just don't understand.  Nobody likes Clinton, but how is keeping Trump away from political power not the #1 goal of this election???

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The Richard Nixon school of ballet and the arts / Re: ATTN: Roger
« on: July 28, 2016, 06:39:21 am »
Is your blood not thick enough to handle the occasional feeding frenzy?

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not everyone can handle discordia, even though everyone lives there.

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: One Community
« on: July 28, 2016, 06:17:26 am »
Oh and the funding.  I really don't understand the funding.  I read more into it and from what I can tell, you're waiting for one wealthy entity with 10 million dollars to spend to suddenly get super excited about sustainable living, or you're expecting tons of people to crowd-fund a ton of money For The Highest Good Of All.  I just don't get which.  Or why that seems the logical thing to happen.

My concerns come out more negatively than I intend.  Let me put it this way.  If you could convince one specific person I know that this was a serious and profitable venture, he could likely arrange your funding.  All of it.  I'm not making any offers or anything, your website would absolutely turn him away, I'm just saying if you could convince someone like him, I would have a lot more faith in the project's financial prospects.  The idea of living without money is great, but until the whole world gets there the business plan for revenue has to be rock solid to warrant that level of investment.  And so does the credentials of everyone involved on the business end.

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: One Community
« on: July 28, 2016, 05:41:13 am »
I want you to succeed.  I really do.  However, there are just some things I believe will turn a lot of people away, many of the exact people that could help something like this the most.  For one, the extreme wordy buzzwordiness of much of the website.  It feels like some mandatory meeting bullshit at a corporate job, where some asshole who has never done my job preaches psuedoscience like Neuro-linguistic Programming at me.

I recommend trying to weed out as much of that vibe from the project as possible.  Personal beliefs aside, anything considered questionable, scientifically, should be avoided in the project.

Other than that I'd definitely place a more technological and engineering focus on the website as well.  Or maybe simply make a section dedicated to the technical minded.  I know quite a lot of highly creative and frankly quite brilliant science people that could offer all sorts of expertise if they can be convinced your project is based on sound thinking and realistic expectations.  Many of them right here in these forums.  Multiple in this very thread.

People can agree most to things at their most simple.  Using modern technology to build a sustainable community without sacrificing a high first-world standard of living is a very agreeable goal.

I just wish it could be that, exclusively.  When you tack on all the other stuff suddenly we have to accept your way of lots of things instead of just accepting a better way of building communities.  I have to take a class to understand what Consensus is?  Come on.

That said, it at least opens up the option of someone else creating such a community as a purely scientific endeavor, using the materials and resources One Community provides.  That part of what you call open source I'm 110% on board with.

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: One Community
« on: July 28, 2016, 12:29:40 am »
So, as far as I can tell from the links you linked me, you don't have any funding at all towards the property as of yet, and the next crowdfunding campaign goal is to raise funds to build three domes within the same county as "the property" but still nothing to actually purchase said property with?

I just don't understand where you expect this sudden extremely large amount of funding to come from, whether 5 days from now or 10 years from now?   It's like you fully expect to get this one specific property and did all this research and stuff into it, but have no reason that I can see to think that much funding is even somewhat likely to come your way, ever.

Or did I miss something?

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: One Community
« on: July 27, 2016, 11:18:04 pm »
And again, little help here?

B** M***, username L*ve

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I'm really looking forward to Jae Sabol's response ITT, I want to be convinced it's legit but only if it's actually legit.

That said, now that it's been pointed out to me, the more I look the more of that new-age guru holistic yoga spirit crystal stuff I see.  If their intent really is pure, I think they'd do much much better to distance themselves from *any* spirituality at all.  If the website was purely scientific or engineering in nature I'd be much more comfortable, but the entire 50 pages of The Highest Buzzwords We Can Keep Repeating that they bury the real information in are probably the biggest hurdle to taking them seriously.

It just looks like they put way way more focus, effort, and attention to verbosely detailing their social philosophy endlessly than to the actual data.  This may not be true, as there is data there as well, but it certainly looks like it.

I think the biggest point One Community is missing, if they are legit, is that the very simple idea of showing the world that a community can be sustainable and still very comfortable thanks to technology, is more important than their ideas about socially living together and all that Highest Good Of All crap.  I mean I'm all for considering what's best for everyone, but the cult-like The Highest Good Of All repetition is very off-putting and the whole holistic new-age stuff should be left out of it entirely, as that's individual "beliefs" and many of us want no part of that.

Also I really want an idea as to their funding progress.  Their idea will cost millions of dollars.  They seem to have some figures in mind already for what they need to spend to get started, so some kind of percentage as to how close they are, updated as more funding comes in, would go a long way toward silencing the Scam-o-meter.  I mean, I can't tell from the website if they are two months or three years away from actually building something in the real world.  In fact I can't seem to find anywhere in there that they even know when they expect to begin. They have a 5-10 year plan for after they start but nothing about how long from right now do they put down the first sandbag.

It's good that Jae Sabol is willing to come here and address our criticisms directly.  Like I keep saying, I want to be convinced... but I wont convince myself.  It's against my religion.  Hence, this thread.

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: One Community
« on: July 27, 2016, 10:51:07 pm »
I keep forgetting that there are people who never experienced playing poker without cards.

Nope, I don't even know what you're referencing.  I did find Ben's unlimited fail thread though and now understand the original comment you made.

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