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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Is anyone here an advocate for non-violence?
« on: August 22, 2017, 05:32:00 am »
Would someone with administrative powers be kind enough to split off this entire page? Then this thread can get back to what I started it for and the children can fruitlessly speculate about my identity elsewhere. (As if it even matters...)

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Is anyone here an advocate for non-violence?
« on: August 21, 2017, 05:30:06 pm »






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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Is anyone here an advocate for non-violence?
« on: August 21, 2017, 09:44:39 am »
Right on cue.

Three or four more and no-one will remember why this thread was started.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Is anyone here an advocate for non-violence?
« on: August 21, 2017, 05:32:57 am »
So fuck off to some place where there are reasonable people.

I really shouldn't have to clarify: reasonable Discordians. Fucking off to someplace else would not satisfy my inquiry.

Now that a few have managed to peek into this thread, I'm certain that with rational discourse afoot, you and the other droolers will begin your ritual of grunting and howling, doing your worst to prevent any semblance of adult conversation between those more measured and creative than yourselves.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Is anyone here an advocate for non-violence?
« on: August 21, 2017, 04:29:12 am »
Again, against violence here except in self-defense... in the understanding that sneezing on people, shaking hands with them after having diarrhea and not washing your hands, and in severe circumstances feeding them food from bulging cans or doing the thing from The Cask of Amontillado are not violence (though I personally would not do the last two due to fear of legal repercussions)

Heh. I think I would argue that this qualifies as chemical warfare. Still, it's football fields more clever than sticks and stones.

Say... would you like a chocolate-covered pretzel?


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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Is anyone here an advocate for non-violence?
« on: August 21, 2017, 04:13:57 am »
I don't expect anyone to believe anything. I didn't come back to change minds.

Reasonable people should be able to at least hazard a guess at the difference between trolling for a reaction and discussing for debate. I have so far observed that "reasonable people" make up a superminority of the most active users on this board.

But so be it. Sometimes you have to sift through shit to find what's left of the opium suppositories.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Is anyone here an advocate for non-violence?
« on: August 20, 2017, 10:56:18 pm »
I too vehemently oppose the moloch of racial, ethnic, and cultural purity. I dream of a world where nobody has fewer than three different racial backgrounds; where there is no white of black or asian or jewish or arab or whatever, just people who are mixed, really really mixed

With no desire to sidetrack the conversation into one of eugenics, I see this as inevitable. I'm not sure it will ever boil down to such a low number, but probably that the lines will blur so much that there is no longer any hard place where the divisions lie. I look forward to a day where humanity treats the color of skin like the color of hair. Especially if it means being able to buy the one you like in the beauty section of CVS.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Is anyone here an advocate for non-violence?
« on: August 20, 2017, 10:46:51 pm »
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I'm having a hard time trying to pigeonhole ANTIFA.

That's probably your problem.

I would say that it's the country's problem.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Is anyone here an advocate for non-violence?
« on: August 20, 2017, 10:45:53 pm »
You are posting on a proxy, and you are not new here.

Didn't claim that I was new (although arguably I am, since this is the first time I've posted anything genuine) (as far as you know), but merely that I've noticed the same behavior directed at new people who don't purr and kitten their way around your ankles. Tribalistic mentality is my best guess. No greasing the wheels for me, thank you. I'd rather call it like I see it. Still, just because someone refuses to sugar-coat doesn't mean they want to rustle jimmies. Personally, I'm apathetic.

As for using a proxy, I'm surprised the rest of you don't. Still, there is a difference between paranoia... and precaution.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Is anyone here an advocate for non-violence?
« on: August 20, 2017, 10:35:58 pm »
so I guess you're here for the latter part now? that's cool, I can roll with that.

Yours is the one name I recognize - a collegiate among the drop-outs!

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I appreciate the straightforward chat. I hadn't really thought much about antifa in the context of how Malcolm X slid the Overton Window left.

It's an interesting comparison, albeit different circumstances. I'm having a hard time trying to pigeonhole ANTIFA. Do they only exist because the alt-right exists? Or are they some darker element that serves only the undoing of true freedom? I'm weary of making heroes out of anarchists whose primary role seem to be escalation of tensions. Trying to think in the "big picture" as much as possible. I'm not a fan of aggression being used to silence disagreeables under the assumption that it's pre-emptive self-defense.

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My perspective is - I don't think that violence is an effective long run strategy. What I've observed is that violent action is super effective as a recruitment tool for "the other side". It doesn't change minds. If I got punched in the face for my political beliefs, I wouldn't stop believing those things. In fact, I would probably justify them harder. If I continually feared bodily harm, I'd just go underground and get louder.

Punching nazis is forgivable when they are advocating violence & actively recruiting. Punching the peaceful but angry guy standing near the nazi--mainly counterproductive.

On a more emotional level - One of my pet research hobbies is the history of torture. I keep this close to my heart: For thousands of years, we lined up in public squares to cheer as the "bad guys" were subject to horrific ordeals. That was "justice". That desire - to see the bad guy bloodied and dragged through the streets - is one of the scariest things about humanity. Especially when its expressed by a crowd. We all have these brutal impulses, and live in a society that conditions us not to act on them. But when somebody "deserves it", we are chomping at the bit for the opportunity to unleash hell on them. I try to guard myself against this kind of 'pleasurable' violence, and warn others not to feed it.

((The Crowd at the Ball Game))

Wholeheartedly agree. Although I love the word "schadenfreude", I have an aversion to what it describes. Not that I'm immune to it; I have experienced it, and that experience terrifies me. Its avoidance is conscious and active, rather than natural.

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Violence was already playing a role in the larger conversation. Not to focus too hard on the rallies, specifically - but there are a lot of people out there who are in fear of bodily harm on the daily. For example, I have trans friends who live in Texas, and they are regularly subjected to hostile harassment on the street and other public places. Using a public rest room is a scary moment for them right now. They have a public facing job and consequently receive lots of transphobic threats.  Knowing that if a public incident happened, there would be people willing to fight for them - that's a good thing.

Agreed. I've heard a few things about people who chose to attend the Charlottesville rally not to antagonize, but to stand guard with local entities, churches, etc., in case the rally-goers themselves turned riotous. That is something I strongly admire.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Is anyone here an advocate for non-violence?
« on: August 20, 2017, 06:49:46 am »
Not to keep being needlessly critical, but something else I've noticed about the most frequent posters here: Anytime someone new comes along and has anything remotely contrary or engaging to offer, you puff up, hold hands, start name-calling, and proceed to muse about it being a sockpuppet for some other (usually oddly specific) individual. Paranoia, insularity, and hyperreaction all rolled into one.

This really is a delightful if elaborate front you manage.

Still, my question stands, and I think my position is clear. If there are any non-chest-beaters that frequent the board, I'd be glad to have you chime in.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Is anyone here an advocate for non-violence?
« on: August 20, 2017, 12:54:06 am »
So much anger.

I'm beginning to suspect that most of you come here to vent by pretending you want to be violent.

Has anyone here ever actually punched a Nazi? Advocacy of violence seems ironic if one's own knuckles aren't regularly bleeding.

But again, this thread is quickly becoming the debate I specifically wished to avoid. I'll step back and wait to see if anyone actually answers my question.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Is anyone here an advocate for non-violence?
« on: August 19, 2017, 10:33:45 pm »
So, is the elusive nonviolent Discordian indeed as mythical as Sisyphus?

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Is anyone here an advocate for non-violence?
« on: August 19, 2017, 05:16:43 pm »
Then again, you know all this and you're just here to hear your keyboard clatter. So, whatever.

You had me right up until this point. Not to cry about it, but I think it was uncalled for. If I've given that impression, I'd like to know how.

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When fly a Nazi flag or don a stupid bedsheet like you're doing the world a favor, you are allying yourself not just with the disgusting ideology behind those murders, but the acts themselves.

As for this, my only rebuttal that it is easier to hold an enemy to their standards than your own. In other words, understanding (not assuming, but finding agreement on) how your enemy sees themself (and particularly how they see you) can be useful in strategizing against them - in both diplomacy and war.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Is anyone here an advocate for non-violence?
« on: August 19, 2017, 08:59:40 am »
As stated, I have no desire to waste time or energy attempting to dissuade those of you who condone violence from your desire for it, but wish only to connect with other Discordians who have commitments against it.

That being said...

Violence [...] is the only useful tool for dealing with Nazis.  You can't convince a Nazi of anything, but you can pound on them until all the white supremacy leaks out.

I would like to point out that this is both objectively false and itself a form of prejudice.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-life-after-hate-white-supremacist-met-20170818-story.html

You can find many such stories if only you look.

https://www.google.com/search?q=former+nazi

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