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So if NET thinks he has a case of the ass at me for pointing out that his side doesn't DO shit except holler how much nothing they get accomplished, then I have to laugh.  Fuck you, NET, and ALSO fuck the hardcore DNC.  I hate you both, and if any of you cared about me, you'd kill yourselves today.

(ETA:  Obviously, Canadians and Eurospags get a pass on this.)

My side? Are you even on the Left or do you just pretend to be?

I’m not a progressive, so as much as you seem intent on shitting on someone who identifies with that movement, I’m more interested in actually accomplishing things that we all have in common.

I have to wonder if your de facto alliance is with every other violent white guy in the US that fantasizes about mass indiscriminate killings and casually encourages suicide. Fuck your entire worldview that’s consistently invested in verbal abuse, demoralization, and dividing people rather than mustering the courage and self-determination necessary for building a world worth living in.

Which is all the more inexcusable in that you can so clearly see these problems—clearer than most—but actively poison every idea to make things less shitty while offering exactly zero ways foward. You are just another instance of what you hate on the Left but you lack enough self-awareness to see it.

Just like most pessimists, you’re sitting on the sidelines spitting on anyone who is taking the risks of working towards a fairer world while you piss and moan about how awful eveyone is. How old are you for fucks sake?

You’re a goddamn fucking coward with little to offer but some cheap laughs and empty talk.

Congratulations on doing the right wing’s work for them out of some pathetic spiral of callous bullshit. Yeah, anger is important because it indicates what you actually care about, but perhaps it’s more important as to what you actually do with it.

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It’s safer to predict failure and do jack shit from the sidelines, isn’t it?

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*starts a thread to snipe on leftists*

“Why does the left hate itself so much?”

I dunno man, maybe you could spend more time helping to organize and inspire people on your side rather than attacking leftists for attacking leftists who fail YOUR purity test.

Since when is describing, in detail, and advocating against a self-defeating movement within one's closest political equivalency the same thing as attacking one's own political equivalency?

Kinda takes me back to that leaked CIA (Or was it KGB?) document describing ways counter-intelligence operatives throw stones in an organization's efficiency by filling their meetings with useless nonsense and complaints to waste time and resources. In this analogy, you're the guy defending these useless complaints by attacking the people trained to spot this counter-intelligence technique.

"WAHHHHHHH, Aren't YOU just slowing down this organization by pointing out this pattern of disarray? WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"

You may think you're advocating for progress with this childish crybaby fest, but you're really just holding it back. Exposing this pattern of disarray is important, and making sure the rest of the movement is aware by putting it into digestible writing is even more important.

I’m advocating actually doing things instead of just whining about it.

It’s critically important to point out these problems, but that’s really quite useless without organizing to overcome them.

I’ve observed Roger for quite some time and he seems more interested in widening rifts on the left than actually accomplishing common goals.

Also, it is not necessary for a saboteur to split the left when there are plenty of leftists like Roger who do an excellent job of it on their own.

Right, pointing out the problem to other people who may have time and resources to dedicate to organizing and fixing the problem is totally widening rifts  :roll:

I'm not speaking for anyone else here, but I know I certainly don't have time to organize to fix this kind of problem. Personally, I'm gonna complain 'till I'm blue in the face or I run out of SSRIs and nicotine patches. And I expect others who lack the time to do the same.

Not to mention, if you agree that these are problems, then this whole game of yours is just "shoot the messenger." That's like getting pissed at the Media for presenting a problem because they didn't decide to just try to fix the problem themselves. Do you think people should just not talk about problems at all, and just independently try to fix them with only a baseline, undiscussed understanding of them? At what point is ranting and discussing the problem too much discussion and not enough action?

For someone who's so against whining, you seem to be doing a lot of it.

I’m against whining and stopping there.

Funny how the left is full of “messengers” like you, who exempt themselves from actually doing a goddamn thing. Fuck your excuses.

Again, this begs the obvious question:  What has been done?  What has been accomplished?

Perhaps you could use motivated reasoning to accomplish something beyond a sense of smug satisfaction that your pessimistic outlook was confirmed?

But you’re a real tough guy that doesn’t afraid of risk right? Except the emotional risk of putting energy into political activities that very well could fail.....


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Apple Talk / Re: What's the Matter, Bunky?
« on: June 06, 2018, 12:50:20 am »
I can totally see a reasonable, even-handed discussion from this post onward.

Not taking the bait.

Carry on your whine-fest without actually addressing the problems you’re pointing out then.

:boring:

I don't mind if I do.  You're not my supervisor, I am not actually required to fill out the forms you want.

:boring:

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*starts a thread to snipe on leftists*

“Why does the left hate itself so much?”

I dunno man, maybe you could spend more time helping to organize and inspire people on your side rather than attacking leftists for attacking leftists who fail YOUR purity test.

Since when is describing, in detail, and advocating against a self-defeating movement within one's closest political equivalency the same thing as attacking one's own political equivalency?

Kinda takes me back to that leaked CIA (Or was it KGB?) document describing ways counter-intelligence operatives throw stones in an organization's efficiency by filling their meetings with useless nonsense and complaints to waste time and resources. In this analogy, you're the guy defending these useless complaints by attacking the people trained to spot this counter-intelligence technique.

"WAHHHHHHH, Aren't YOU just slowing down this organization by pointing out this pattern of disarray? WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"

You may think you're advocating for progress with this childish crybaby fest, but you're really just holding it back. Exposing this pattern of disarray is important, and making sure the rest of the movement is aware by putting it into digestible writing is even more important.

I’m advocating actually doing things instead of just whining about it.

It’s critically important to point out these problems, but that’s really quite useless without organizing to overcome them.

I’ve observed Roger for quite some time and he seems more interested in widening rifts on the left than actually accomplishing common goals.

Also, it is not necessary for a saboteur to split the left when there are plenty of leftists like Roger who do an excellent job of it on their own.

Right, pointing out the problem to other people who may have time and resources to dedicate to organizing and fixing the problem is totally widening rifts  :roll:

I'm not speaking for anyone else here, but I know I certainly don't have time to organize to fix this kind of problem. Personally, I'm gonna complain 'till I'm blue in the face or I run out of SSRIs and nicotine patches. And I expect others who lack the time to do the same.

Not to mention, if you agree that these are problems, then this whole game of yours is just "shoot the messenger." That's like getting pissed at the Media for presenting a problem because they didn't decide to just try to fix the problem themselves. Do you think people should just not talk about problems at all, and just independently try to fix them with only a baseline, undiscussed understanding of them? At what point is ranting and discussing the problem too much discussion and not enough action?

For someone who's so against whining, you seem to be doing a lot of it.

I’m against whining and stopping there.

Funny how the left is full of “messengers” like you, who exempt themselves from actually doing a goddamn thing. Fuck your excuses.

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*starts a thread to snipe on leftists*

“Why does the left hate itself so much?”

I dunno man, maybe you could spend more time helping to organize and inspire people on your side rather than attacking leftists for attacking leftists who fail YOUR purity test.

Since when is describing, in detail, and advocating against a self-defeating movement within one's closest political equivalency the same thing as attacking one's own political equivalency?

Kinda takes me back to that leaked CIA (Or was it KGB?) document describing ways counter-intelligence operatives throw stones in an organization's efficiency by filling their meetings with useless nonsense and complaints to waste time and resources. In this analogy, you're the guy defending these useless complaints by attacking the people trained to spot this counter-intelligence technique.

"WAHHHHHHH, Aren't YOU just slowing down this organization by pointing out this pattern of disarray? WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"

You may think you're advocating for progress with this childish crybaby fest, but you're really just holding it back. Exposing this pattern of disarray is important, and making sure the rest of the movement is aware by putting it into digestible writing is even more important.

I’m advocating actually doing things instead of just whining about it.

It’s critically important to point out these problems, but that’s really quite useless without organizing to overcome them.

I’ve observed Roger for quite some time and he seems more interested in widening rifts on the left than actually accomplishing common goals.

Also, it is not necessary for a saboteur to split the left when there are plenty of leftists like Roger who do an excellent job of it on their own.

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Apple Talk / Re: What's the Matter, Bunky?
« on: June 05, 2018, 09:31:58 pm »
I can totally see a reasonable, even-handed discussion from this post onward.

Not taking the bait.

Carry on your whine-fest without actually addressing the problems you’re pointing out then.

:boring:

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*starts a thread to snipe on leftists*

“Why does the left hate itself so much?”

I dunno man, maybe you could spend more time helping to organize and inspire people on your side rather than attacking leftists for attacking leftists who fail YOUR purity test.

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Apple Talk / Re: What's the Matter, Bunky?
« on: June 05, 2018, 06:07:43 am »
And since this seems to be something people would really rather not get into, I'm going to go ahead and go full potato.

*ahem*

The vast majority of the social justice set are not prepared or willing to address actual injustices committed by actual fascists.


Policing "your own" is far safer.  All the self-righteous goodness, no risk.  I shit on them all.


And now for something a little less acidic:  At no point would a safety pin in your lapel have helped in any way.  I am not hating on the safety pin crowd, because they were willing to do something, perhaps even put themselves in harm's way (given that it kind of makes you a target), I am merely saying that it would have zero effect on the tide of horrible shit that's currently swamping us.  I still maintain that a sock with a couple of rolls of quarters in it is a better method of dealing with bad situations.


How are you not “policing your own” with all this self-righteous ranting as a self-avowed leftist?

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Apple Talk / Re: Your personal musical anthem to Discordianism
« on: May 01, 2018, 06:16:41 pm »

Huoratron - $$ Troopers
https://youtu.be/PPwCmhvmHeM

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We all have our limits of what we can handle, but at what point does pessimism become a self-fulfilling cycle of guaranteed failure? No one knows how this shit is going to pan out. There is no useful precedent to compare to.

Playing down your agency as a human is a safe bet though, because wallowing in your sense of helplessness is the “thoughts and prayers” of the left right now. It exempts your sad sack ass from having to spend energy even imagining what may be within your power to influence, let alone blazing a trail to goddamn victory.

But that’s okay. No single person or ideology is going to fix this, and everybody needs a break from time to time.

You Gen-Xers are in love with being jaded pragmatists, which is fine. I find it quite endearing how you cast yourselves as stoic, anti-hero observers that disavow any charges of seeming slightly optimistic about anything, but nonetheless still contribute towards the greater good like the ironic little fuckweasels you are.

I can still see the hope stains on your shoes though.

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There should be a page that slams liberals where a video of the Yes Men DNC prank is worked in as an example of what democrats actually want.

Also, the menu takes up half the screen on iOS.

Edit: Found this hot
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</bod> from a quick look over the home page. Curious artifact....

damn kids and their responsive html5 web-3.0 stuff and their beach bods.

:lol:

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There should be a page that slams liberals where a video of the Yes Men DNC prank is worked in as an example of what democrats actually want.

Also, the menu takes up half the screen on iOS.

Edit: Found this hot
Code: [Select]
</bod> from a quick look over the home page. Curious artifact....

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: OFFICIAL POLITICAL CARTOONS/PIC FREAD.
« on: August 01, 2017, 10:06:48 pm »


Quote
One week after Democrats in Congress announced their new "populist" agenda—“A Better Deal: Better Jobs, Better Wages, Better Future”—the Yes Men, posing as DNC representatives, took to the stage at the Politicon conference in Pasadena, CA[...]

https://youtu.be/c3wEc9uxKZI

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Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Fake News, Fake Bar
« on: February 09, 2017, 10:59:34 pm »
It's cool that you've been able to talk with a lawyer about this stuff. I've had to suck it up and not see my children very often because I haven't been able to afford one.

Instead I've been channeling my rage into learning software engineering and web technologies. Within a few years I'm going to have full custody of both kids and their mothers are going to suddenly know how I've felt for years.

I'm going to continue to try the diplomatic route so there will be a long email trail of evidence when I finally can afford to bring the motherfuckin ruckus. Best of luck man. I really hope things work out better for you than they did for me.

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