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Or Kill Me / Re: Burgers?
« on: Today at 02:19:04 am »
The other end of this relative spectrum would be say, Twid, who again, I can again largely agree with (and am interested in the various explorations of belief structures). There's probably more in common than not between P3nt and Twid but their experience of religious systems and the actors involved have clearly varied substantially.

What surprises me about Pent in these conversations, recently, is that Pent seems to be willing to entertain the idea of God and the afterlife, where his iconoclasm originally struck me as pure antitheism. Indeed, Pent offered me a couple of examples of how surviving death could work when I started to doubt the afterlife. Obviously, I'm struggling with spiritual significance to being human at the present time and just have to put religious framework aside for the time being until I can kinda regain my spirituality, one way or another before I pick the experiment up again. So, I probably do have a bit in common with him in this regard, and he is older and probably has it worked out a bit more.

I can't say that I had any truly bad experiences growing up Catholic, other than the occasional and inevitable sense of guilt. I can't say that I had any bad experiences as a Pagan. And other than starting my Judaism on Yom Kippur, I can't say I've otherwise had any bad experiences with that. My dad was going to be a priest, and while there has been as certain, expectation, for lack of a better word, I've never been harmed for aberrant religious expression. Shit, I left an altar up in my room when I was a teenager for some kind of useless spell, dad came in to wake me up for school, I was already awake. He took a minute to see what was up with that and said, "Kevin, time to get up for school" walked out and nothing more was said of it. He even nervously accepted the possibility that I might be gay. It was a challenge on my part, and he felt backed in a corner, but he wasn't going to boot me out if I said I wasn't straight (I merely said I wasn't gay at the end of it. Heh.) So, yeah quite probably, my experiences with religion would be entirely alien to Pent.

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Or Kill Me / Re: Burgers?
« on: Today at 01:47:32 am »
Just out of interest (not going anywhere with this, just genuinely curious) How much of your belief is based on your own particular ideas and thoughts on what a deity might be and how much comes out the bible? Like on a scale of "there seems to be intent behind all this" and "Jesus reanimated the corpse of Lazarus" where are you?

My religious beliefs at their baseline can only be described as pantheistic. I've already chucked out the afterlife, at least as I previously understood it, even though I'm still open to the idea and hope I can be proven wrong. My religious experiment for the time being is just completely terminated, and that's fine. I didn't even celebrate Passover. But, with my religious hat, I can only view the seeming miraculous events that happen in the Bible as some sort of allegory. I accept the historical existence of Jesus of Nazareth, I think he had some interesting and poignant things to say, and I think some of the things he did were subject to exaggeration. That ultimately has nothing to do with God. I'm supposed to be Jewish right now, so that means he's a bloody heretic. Really what I think is that he was just some dude with some good ideas that were extrapolated from a system that had some good and some bad.

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Or Kill Me / Re: Burgers?
« on: Today at 01:41:08 am »
You and Twid have never tried to convince me.

That's because we're looking forward to puking cheap beer out of heaven, down on to your filthy sinner heathen head as you fry in hell.

We're kinda dicks, that way.

Damn it, I was hoping for good beer in heaven.


Also, damn the things I miss when I take the day off of posting. Trying to play catch up. I think this is the first time in a while that I've posted a thread and it has a few pages for me to catch up on.

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Or Kill Me / Re: Burgers?
« on: April 23, 2014, 05:32:06 am »
What happened was science started disproving large chunks of biblical myth?

Nope. The Church has always been fairly flexible on that point. Catholics and Lutherans aren't literalists, like Fundies are. And, there is little "Biblical myth" that can't work around scientific knowledge.

So proving people can't walk on water, come back from the dead or bring people back to life. Or how about pretty much every single other word printed? At which point do they hold their hands up and say "Ok, yeah, it's pretty much all bullshit" cos I'm patiently waiting.

Could be some dude here or there wanted to jump on the Jesus bandwagon and get his say by making the story a little bit more interesting. I'm not exactly sure what you're looking for here. The faithful who are receptive to science will reinterpret scripture to fit the science. It might be a hell of a logical pretzel but they will do it, and it will be consistent and will define the impossible as metaphor. Christians are pretty smart in general. In general, of course. They actually do want to understand how the whole thing works.

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Interesting conversation on FB about which subway line in Boston is “the best”: Orange Line or Red Line.  A lot of people are supporting the Red line.  As I live on the orange line, I’m backing that one, but a lot of people are disparaging of it.  However, I noticed something…  Could be coincidental.

Red Line stops: Southie (traditionally white). Kendall  (white).  Harvard (duh). Somerville (white). Alewife (white).
Orange Line stops: Forest Hills (black), Jackson Square (black/Latino), Roxbury (black), Chinatown (duh, part 2).

Ok, there are outliers. The Orange Line does go through Charlestown (working class white) and into Malden (white), and the Red Line goes into Dorchester (black).  Still, it did give me pause.

You are aware that Boston in general is, like, SUPER DUPER racist, right?

Despite the fact that we pride ourselves on liberalism and equal rights and all of that, yeah. We are, as a whole, secretly and disturbingly racist. Problem is that it is subtle. I think that part of the problem is that we DO pride ourselves on being liberal. It gives us a bit of wiggle room to be racist assholes.

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Interesting conversation on FB about which subway line in Boston is “the best”: Orange Line or Red Line.  A lot of people are supporting the Red line.  As I live on the orange line, I’m backing that one, but a lot of people are disparaging of it.  However, I noticed something…  Could be coincidental.

Red Line stops: Southie (traditionally white). Kendall  (white).  Harvard (duh). Somerville (white). Alewife (white).
Orange Line stops: Forest Hills (black), Jackson Square (black/Latino), Roxbury (black), Chinatown (duh, part 2).

Ok, there are outliers. The Orange Line does go through Charlestown (working class white) and into Malden (white), and the Red Line goes into Dorchester (black).  Still, it did give me pause.

Oh my god. That's almost the most inane conversation imaginable.

I think I should try to get one of those started on Facebook about the MAX. YELLOW LINE ALL THE WAY, BITCHEZ!

I can totally understand what LMNO is talking about. And of course, I also live on the Orange Line, albeit on the other end of it. It's one of those odd things I never consider because I just take it all the time. I live on the Orange Line, in a fairly heavily South American neighborhood, and Villager lives near the Red Line in a largely middle class Irish American neighborhood that is otherwise considered inner city. And the Green Line does blow the most. It is actually the most  heavily ridden subway line in the United States. At least it was as of 2012. I don't expect the stats would have changed much over 2 years.

Villager's parents were afraid for her when she moved to Dorchester.  They're old white people. I like Dorchester. Granted, Villager's car did get broken into, but so did everyone else's. Stupid kids trying to get a quick buck on Christmas by breaking into every car on the block (and still missing the envelope in the glove compartment labeled "$90 for Kevin"). Never happened before, never happened since.

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So the thing on my back, that the doctor froze off some months ago, is back. And it brought friends. Anyone got a sharped melon baller I can borrow?

I hope it's all going to be good, CPD.

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Or Kill Me / Re: Burgers?
« on: April 23, 2014, 03:50:24 am »
I should also probably point out that when I was in Catholic school the nuns told us, explicitly, that it was perfectly acceptable for us to believe in evolution, and that acceptance of it was sanctioned by Rome. Why wouldn't it be? The idea was there several centuries before Darwin. Darwin gets special mention because he figured out how evolution works. He didn't propose that. That was also an ancient, and of course, Greek, concept.

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Or Kill Me / Re: Burgers?
« on: April 23, 2014, 03:38:55 am »
Religion often seems to get the blame for things done with political motivation. I guess it's a handy scapegoat, but scapegoating it doesn't match up with reality, and doesn't help us avoid politically-motivated bullshit.

And part of the problem there is that within Europe, religion and politics were different sides of the same coin. We can randomly dismiss the thoughts of our ancestors with "Well, they didn't know better." But they did. The Greeks knew the Earth was spherical, and they knew pretty accurately how large that sphere was. The whole idea that it was broadly assumed that the Earth is flat is kinda ridiculous. All you need to prove that it is round is the sun, the moon and an eclipse.

And the Catholic Church gets a bad rap. Hell, the Anglican Church gets a bad rap. But I will point out that I was raised in the Catholic elementary school system, and we learned the shit out of science. Talk to any Catholic about their contribution to science and they will say one thing immediately: "LaMaitre. Priest. Scientist. Big Bang Theory." Religious folk are proud as shit when they make a discovery. And that's the whole damn point. If you're going to believe in a god or gods, fucking figure out what he/she/it is up to. The Catholics, despite their, admittedly very dark history, at least got that shit right, as did a weird English occultist named Isaac Newton.

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Whereas I am old and vile, and my sperms are shaped like origami

Any child I fathered now would be given a reality TV show the moment they were born.

 :lulz:

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Or Kill Me / Re: Burgers?
« on: April 22, 2014, 03:01:39 pm »
Dear Uncle Roger,

     I've been debating theists and atheists alike on Yahoo News. The annoying part is that I'm starting to sound like an atheist. Now, I know that I'm going through my own spiritual doubts, but they only apply to me, my immortal soul and the grace of God. But dear God, man. How is it that our fellow theists have totally missed out on the idea that our holy mission, aside to fuck with everyone, is to actually figure this shit out?

Because they think the mission is to take the dogma as is, and crap all over everyone else's parade with it.

This is why the doctrine of SHUT UP is so important to doing Good Work.  When you see someone say - with a straight face - that the bible is literally true and contains no contradictions, what you are witnessing is a person desperate for a DIVINE INTERVENTION bestowing some SHUT UP upon their poor benighted souls.

This may involve horrible beatings; the work of God is rarely pretty.

You may see some rabid asshole with a bible in his hand, screeching about the Gays.  This man also needs SHUT UP.  If anyone thinks this is un-American or fascist or whatever, then allow me to refer you to our complaints department.  Pretty sure his name is Matthew Shepard.

When you see anyone claiming that God's word trumps proof, you are watching someone shit on 1000 years of rationalism AND 2000 years of theology.  When you see anyone claim that they have proven God's existence by one means or another, you are seeing a man without faith.  And that's fine, in both cases.  But when they decide that their truth is more appropriate in classrooms than, say, biology, then it's time for SMITING and screaming and running around and SHUT UP.

This summer I will bring the gift of shut up to those in need of it.

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Or Kill Me / Re: Burgers?
« on: April 22, 2014, 02:59:43 pm »
I knew he was pretty big into alchemy. Guess I figured hermeticism and christianity were mutually exclusive  :horrormirth:

He also predicted based on his interpretation of the bible that the world would end in 2060. He was a pretty devout Christian.

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Well, she did want kids a few months ago. She still does but at this point would rather adopt. Which was not against either way. But I figured that she and I would reproduce at some point. She said we're both different people now with new priorities, and for her having children is not one of those priorities.

For the moment.

Granted. It's a good point, she may change her mind about it again. I guess it was just a bit of a shock to me.

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Well, she did want kids a few months ago. She still does but at this point would rather adopt. Which was not against either way. But I figured that she and I would reproduce at some point. She said we're both different people now with new priorities, and for her having children is not one of those priorities.

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So, I didn't want to bring this up but it's bugging me.

Villager and I had a conversation over the weekend and she is disinclined to have biological children. Mainly because by the time I get my BS, I'll be 36 and she 33. And then of course grad school. And the idea of pregnancy in general is unappealing to her. I can't blame her on any of that. I just consider it a bit of a bummer. I guess I figured part of the reason I was doing this was to make that possible. She hasn't ruled it out entirely, but well.... It seems like I have to accept that I will be a genetic dead end or break up with her. So... I guess I'm a genetic dead end. It's not what I want, but given the alternative. I'd rather take that gamble with her than without her.

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