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Principia Discussion / Re: is Discordianism alt right? I'm confused
« on: February 22, 2017, 04:19:44 pm »
Statements of Absolutism are all stupid.

I know they're not really the same, but I like them both, and I immediately remembered the original.
"It is my firm belief that it is a mistake to hold firm beliefs."
I think that one applies here too.

I don't think the larva is capable of bipedal locomotion, personally.

Principia Discussion / Re: is Discordianism alt right? I'm confused
« on: February 22, 2017, 08:20:14 am »
What's the goal?

Good question.  Everyone Discordias differently.  My Discordia is different than Nigel's, which is different than Roger's, which is different than P3nt's, etc ad nauseum.

Your Discordia appears to be quite singular, and involves punching Nazis.  If that's your goal, then there's your answer.

My goal is of course superior.
Our collective Discordia is always to incidentally support the Rain God's personal Discordia.
There is no other True Path.

Literate Chaotic / Re: ITT: Original Story Ideas
« on: February 22, 2017, 08:16:53 am »
Some horror films:

"Commerce With Demons"- This is a story about a businessman who makes a deal with the devil to increase sales of his company's products. The busi essman doesn't have to pay anything to the devil himself, he just needs to allow his company's products to carry a terrible curse. Bizarre gory accidents start befalling the product;s users, but the product continues to increase in popularity. The film ends with the businessman and the devil looking down from a tall tower on the consumers dying in the streets and laughing maniacally

"Blood for Oil"- Similar-ish to the above. A politician makes a deal with the devil to literally trade blpod for oil
Part of a series of films whose third entry ("Devil Tank") was widely considered to be a shoddy attempt to cash in on anti-war sentiment during the Trump administration. The series doesn't die until finally "Commerce with Demons VII: You Get What You Pay For" is panned at the box office with its anti-homelessness and anti-poverty sentiments based on supernaturally-powered trickle-down economics in a world where buying cinema tickets is almost a full month's paycheck.

Literate Chaotic / Re: Show Me Everything
« on: February 22, 2017, 03:50:55 am »
If you are interested in human error, I could compile a pretty good reading list that could help give you some insight into how and why we are so prone to self-delusion, error, and generally doing terrible things to each other while believing with all our hearts that they are right and good.
I really, really want this for myself, if Fernando happens to be uninterested.

No intention of threadjacking, just a bump and an expression of interest.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: White Nationalist/Neo-Nazi Recruitment Rally
« on: February 22, 2017, 12:55:48 am »
This is discordianism. We dont dabble in conspiracy theories about crazy people.

Though tbh. Think I'm in the wrong.  My bad, Nazis are a problem.  Though what people like ipunchnazis call a nazi isnt a Nazi. I'm defending the term because it gets thrown at fucking everything now and days.

I'm pretty sure that IPunchNazis guy is one of Them anyway, pretending to be one of Us People.

Fortunately, it's pretty easy to tell he's not Us People. He hasn't eaten enough of his own species to have gotten off his knuckles yet. The stench of scorched ass hair is lacking in his vicinity. The secret messenger gnome doesn't whisper his name in a hushed tone of reverence and fear. He doesn't have his own holiday. I bet he doesn't even know why Enrico Salazar died for his sins.

In short, you should treat him like you would treat Them and not like you would treat a potential future biped. He's meant to be an ideological trojan horse, except we tear apart our gifts so we can shit in the boxes and mail them to world leaders, so he was never going to succeed.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: a new project
« on: February 21, 2017, 04:31:33 am »
It's cool man I'm newb here. don't trust anybody, I always say.

I just see this shit going on and it's EXACTLY THE SAME as Nazi Germany and I can't understand how everyone is just sitting around and LETTING IT HAPPEN ALL OVER AGAIN. Fuck these people, something needs to be done. And it needs to be done now before it's too late. We can't wait four years.
You should make this a "no".

Aneristic Illusions / Re: a new project
« on: February 21, 2017, 03:26:33 am »

I have a lot on my plate ATM but I'm working on clearing it.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« on: February 10, 2017, 09:43:19 pm »
Yeah, he's a bit like a walking Dan Brown novel now. :lulz: :horrormirth:

Aneristic Illusions / Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« on: February 10, 2017, 07:18:42 pm »
I'm not Cain, but I'm well aware of Evola and his "fans". I've read a book or two of his.

Basically Evola was a dyed-in-the-wool fascist, specifically a fan of the Italian form (strict fascism, so to speak). He had a belief that the occult (specifically esoteric traditions) was the reason the world was "better" back in the day, and that all culture stemmed from nationalistic impulses being acted on by "nations of heroes" in the form of warring nations, etc.

It was clear he knew some of what he was talking about, e.g. he obviously had read actual Buddhist and Hindu texts in their original languages, but that just made him more bizarre: he was convinced that war and "nations of heroes" were a common theme of all "successful" cultures and as "evidence" essentially conflated all variants of the Indo-European "dual pantheon, there is a war between one and the other, the newer weaker guys win" story as talking about a clash between a nation of powerful but corrupt and unheroic "foreigners" and weaker but honorable and heroic "settlers".

He was connected to Nazi theosophists and other groups that combined fascism and the occult, and until the day he died he espoused fascism as the One True Political System of the World. He wrote thousands of books on a wide variety of occult subjects. To this day you cannot actually learn very much about some classical esoteric systems (e.g. Hermeticism) without picking up an Evola book or a book written based on his hopelessly tainted work. So among occultists and people interested in that sort of thing, his views have slowly gained ground.

Now, I don't know much about his actual background or why he wasn't, say, killed in his sleep at the end of WW2... For that, you'd definitely need to ask Cain. But his philosophy is familiar enough to me that I can spot it at a distance -- the world has always seen conflict and the culture with a "nation of heroes" always wins, and this will always be the case. Martial worship, the myth of the divinely appointed leader, all the stuff that makes me want to stomp on Nazi heads.

Apologies if I stole your spotlight, Cain, I was also hoping that if I was wrong on any points you could correct me though.

I don't disagree with that at all, in fact it's actually a fairly good point. I just think that there's good reason to aim higher than that in the long run.

Not saying you weren't aiming higher (I'm fairly sure you've thought this through in depth), primarily bringing it up in case that point (opt-in is better and worth aiming for) was non-obvious to others.

Social pressure alone, however, might be enough to spur Google to either modify its targeting, or to make an easy and obvious way to turn off targeting.

The bolded strikes me as insufficient.

Arguably we don't get the societal benefits of removing targeted search results if it's an opt-out system unless you can "opt out" on a per-search basis. Something like Google having a button at the top of search pages, "Show untargeted results". People will play with it just to play with it, and that helps, a /little/ bit. Unfortunately, it still reinforces a sense of "Here's the real world, and here's the world THEY want you to see" -- with the two being swapped from their real order. After all, why would Google by default feed them biased information? Especially if it happens to perfectly fit their contrived worldview! Bias is something that happens to The Other Guy -- you might be aware of bias on your end but the average person convinces themselves that awareness of bias is enough to counteract it, according to my research and experience.

Another issue is: if it's opt-out, most people won't bother -- it's extra work, even if it's minimal extra work. Witness how few people (outside the scientific community, of course) will bother using something like libgen if they want an article that's paywall locked. Slight inconveniences are sufficient deterrents for the average individual, there's a lot of evidence of this.

(I think there's something to be said for the other side too, though -- people who are used to digging for information feel like information they get "easily" is somehow worth less. I know I've noticed this tendency in me, and I think it's something that could backfire in a world where this sort of thing manages to get pushed through.)

I've thought about this, and I think I'd prefer default untargeted search results with opt-in targeting on a per-search basis. That's the best of all possible worlds, I think -- it gives P3nt what he wants with a single extra click per search (reducing the work of hunting through untargeted results despite the minor increase of work to bring up targeted results), forces no extra education, and says "This is the real world. Here is the fantasy world we have prepared specifically for you" -- which raises awareness of how prevalent the echo chambers we live in really are.

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Potatoes, Snakes, and Armor
« on: February 05, 2017, 05:07:24 am »
Going to sleep on this. It speaks to me, but then I'm not exactly right in the brain either.


Ink as mind-stuff is good. There's so many reasons it's good that it's hard to describe. Need to work out the exact reasons and look for possible flaws.
Potato/Snake metaphor is IMO unintuitive, but the details sing truth. Definitely a divide between blunt/dumb and subtle/smart sorts of evil, even outside of the personal/mental realm.
Noting that evil is just badly applied neutral is an IMO important thing that deserves deep thought and may even be applicable outside of the personal/mental realm.
Armor metaphor might be considered as camouflage? Ink, mindstuff, etc. -- implications of avoiding nonsense instead of weathering it. May not apply, need to think on it more.

What a grand disappointment. I gave him a chance to be a biped.

At least he didn't shit on the carpet on the way out.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« on: February 02, 2017, 03:48:22 pm »
Burning bridges with Australia, for no reason whatsoever, it worries me the amount of damage that can be done before 2020.

To say nothing of outright threatening to send armed troops to Mexico without declaring war or even having cause to go to war according to traditional international law.

I'm sure Trump has "alternative international law" on his side though.

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