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I'll fire back up.


I'm about halfway through the download.

Today ended well.

Nice work!

The real work will be to make sure I don't get booted out for drooping grades when I take physics, chem and calculus in autumn.  :lulz:

I bet you'll do better than you think you will.

The internet, to my mind is as big a leap in information transmission as the invention of the printing press was. The ramifications in terms of impact on the sharing of knowledge and ideas is of the same if not greater order of magnitude. The way we process ideas and subject them to examination and testing is accelerating the informing of the global consciousness. Ideas are much more rigorously tested, much quicker now than they used to be. Memetic evolution is selecting on an increasingly short timescale.

False ideas like many of the ones presented in religion are not strong enough to survive the ocean of critical analysis that is suddenly brought to bear on them and, because this analysis is now instantly made available to the whole world, these false ideas are falling pretty quickly, supplanted by replacement ideas that make much more coherent sense. It's still slow enough to disappoint some but at least most of those people would agree it's travelling in the right direction.

So yeah, I'd guess the internets has made a significant impact on religious affiliation. Hell, I can trace a massive decrease in my own - wooly mystical thinking - since I started using it. Much more effective, replacement concepts and descriptions have been made available to me. I purposefully bombard myself with new ones on a daily basis.

I shudder to think how I might have turned out had I not explored the interbutts.

Techmology and Scientism / Re: The Internet Takes Away Religion
« on: Yesterday at 11:56:12 pm »
Being able to communicate and make friends with people outside of your immediate cultural surroundings almost certainly has a massive impact in people's ability and desire to tag themselves with an isolating label that forces them to filter everyone not bearing that label through a lens marked "other".

I mean, for example, it's really hard to draw an imaginary line between myself and Belgians and say "I am this thing, and they are that thing" when having daily conversations with Waffles and regret.

Bingbingbingbing! I agree. It also shifted information transmission from a location-based exchange (everyone gossips at church), to a peer-to-peer exchange (I can talk to you from half-the-world-away, or even last-week).

The 'third factor' is cellphones. Once we carried the phone around, it started breaking those word-to-mouth network-node's (church's) centralizing pull. People could feel a sense of community in radically new ways.

I have to agree with both of you. Great points.

Literate Chaotic / Re: Can we get another Cain reading dump?
« on: Yesterday at 11:49:09 pm »
Yeah I seem to still be seeding. 6.3GB uploaded so far.

Thanks. I'm plugging along with the download now.

Techmology and Scientism / Re: The Internet Takes Away Religion
« on: Yesterday at 11:43:57 pm »

[Computer Scientist Allen Downey] says that the demise is the result of several factors but the most controversial of these is the rise of the Internet. He concludes that the increase in Internet use in the last two decades has caused a significant drop in religious affiliation.

It goes on to indicate that the University of Chicago's General Social Survey's data indicates a other factors causing people to lose their religion.  Those are, a decline in religious upbringing and an increase in college level  education.  Downey says those stats are rather pail in comparison to the data of increased internet use.

If this third factor exists, it must have specific characteristics. It would have to be something new that was increasing in prevalence during the 1990s and 2000s, just like the Internet. “It is hard to imagine what that factor might be,” says Downey.

I thought perhaps that the increase in science and technology might account for the unknown data. The Internet is just a smaller factor in increasing knowledge acceleration.   I mean amazing things seem to happen almost weekly. To my mind that tends to trump faith a bit.

What say you, folks?

Johannes Gutenburg transformed the Western world with his printing press and movable type, but the Internet is currently transforming the entire world. I don't think it is a smaller factor at all.

Literate Chaotic / Re: Can we get another Cain reading dump?
« on: Yesterday at 11:09:50 pm »
Anyone still seeding?

Literate Chaotic / Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
« on: Yesterday at 10:53:36 pm »
I'm reading old Novell CNE training manuals from the early 90's.

Things are a whole lot better than they were a few weeks ago.
I am around good people and they have a kid and both the kids get along.

Had a renter drop, but may have another at a higher rent by today.

So far my business is not tanking horribly, I probably won't get shot in the near future, and my kid and I have a friendly home.

I was worried for a while there.


« on: Yesterday at 08:03:40 pm »

This is a tool for tools like me.


edit: missing "is"

Oddly enough, symptom #1, headache, didn't happen.

A good sign, I hope?

When people bitch about the lack of fresh content around these parts, look to the shitneck herein and know.

I thought Paes contributed to your thread, not took away from it. :? So hostility. Very wut.

Threads where people all start riffing on an idea are one of the reasons this forum is awesome.


Oh god, this is like every fucking meeting, ever.


Boss: "So what exactly is stopping us?"

Engineer: "Geometry."

Consultant: "Just ignore it."

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