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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Mail bomb speculation thread
« on: October 27, 2018, 05:17:44 pm »
Who wants to read the alleged bomber's twitter archive?  Of course you do

https://www.scribd.com/document/391692784/full-tweet-archive-of-the-MAGA-Bomber

That looks legit, but because I know Iíll be askedóhow do we know those are his accounts?

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Mail bomb speculation thread
« on: October 27, 2018, 11:48:05 am »
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CESAR SAYOC, THE Donald Trump-loving Floridian who was taken into custody in relation to pipe bombs mailed to prominent Democrats, was foreclosed on in 2009 by a bank whose principal owner and chair is now Trumpís treasury secretary, Steven Mnuchin.

The documents used to enact the foreclosure were signed by a prominent robo-signer and seemingly backdated. Nonetheless, the evidence was good enough for the famously inattentive Florida foreclosure courts to wave the case through. Years later, Sayoc became a supporter of Trump, who came into office and appointed a treasury secretary who ran the bank that snatched Sayocís house.

And Soros was an investor in Mnuchinís bank.

https://theintercept.com/2018/10/26/cesar-sayoc-foreclosure-steven-mnuchin/?fbclid=IwAR1zLmRZEOuAdqKw70FhiFshxgzY5whX1s0PzSFkfBhihm_aHrXSOWdQW0g


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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Mail bomb speculation thread
« on: October 27, 2018, 12:47:33 am »
Cain and QGP, right on the money.

In this surreal landscape where Trump is still president and the unprecedented is the norm, I admire your ability to cut through the bullshit.

I tip my hat to both of you.

I was sick when I posted those ramblings, though Iím not terribly confident Iíd have arrived at a much more accurate guess otherwise. :asshat:


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Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Drinks are on the Supreme Court
« on: October 26, 2018, 09:31:49 pm »
Just applied for an editor gig at Wizards of the Coast - wish me luck! Slim chances, but it would be a dream.



I bet youíve got a better chance than you think, you modest and talented bastard. Good luck though!

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Looks increasingly like a failed attempt to gin up anti-China/pro-nationalist sentiment.


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Aneristic Illusions / Mail bomb speculation thread
« on: October 25, 2018, 07:49:49 am »
Suppose for a moment that Mueller got the goods on the McConnell-Trump-Russia-GOP clusterfuck and they have become aware that Mueller has said goods.

Would this mail bomb attack simultaneously fulfill a number of strategic goals, regardless of whether the Dems take Congress?

  • It tests the ďfalse flagĒ (ff) narrative for further escalation.
  • If the ff doesnít play that well, there is time to deploy even more desperate measures, that could make the ff idea more viable.
  • If the ff does have legs, now or eventually, it could rally the GOP voteówho are primarily motivated by fear.
  • It hedges against the ff narrative failing by encouraging already high levels of white nationalist violence to escalate.
  • Even without the ff narrative growing legs, escalating violence is a pretext to sending police/military presence to the polls to suppress votes (intimidating people that have been historically abused by police by their mere presence, enacting ďemergency legislationĒ to make voting more costly, time-consuming, etc).
  • If after all that they still lose control of Congress, then in full-on cornered animal mode the mail bombs provide encouragement for the civil war so many on the right think they want.
  • It tests the viability of using assassination to avoid consequences for what they know Mueller will present to the world.

Iím probably wrong about all this, but what do you think?

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Apple Talk / Re: PICS VIII: 10% LARGER THAN PICS VII
« on: September 21, 2018, 04:59:51 pm »

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So, how's that "We'll survive four years of Trump and it will teach people to vote for Bernie" thing coming along?

As much as I wanted Bernie to win, I voted for Hillary. I think if you seriously tried to engage with Bernie bros who didnít vote, youíd hear hella regret.

But youíre looking for justification to abuse people as usual, not a way forward, thatís pretty clear.

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Update: https://www.rawstory.com/2018/06/watch-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-refuses-take-cnn-anchors-bait-trash-democrats/

I love her.  This is EXACTLY what you do.  You fight to win, and you keep your eye on the prize.

She's not pandering to the progressives, she's stating her intent to represent them.  The berners will of course turn on her at some point, because bernie bros can't NOT turn on someone who won't piss away the election talking trash about the rest of the left.


Whatever happened to writing off progressives, eh?

:lulz:

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I thought that was your jacket.

No, because I DO care.  Not caring would mean I don't care what happens to humans.  I care about that a great deal, only not in a positive sense.

I can explain this rationally, if you're interested.

Iím interested.

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I thought that was your jacket.

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*starts a thread to snipe on leftists*

ďWhy does the left hate itself so much?Ē

I dunno man, maybe you could spend more time helping to organize and inspire people on your side rather than attacking leftists for attacking leftists who fail YOUR purity test.

Since when is describing, in detail, and advocating against a self-defeating movement within one's closest political equivalency the same thing as attacking one's own political equivalency?

Kinda takes me back to that leaked CIA (Or was it KGB?) document describing ways counter-intelligence operatives throw stones in an organization's efficiency by filling their meetings with useless nonsense and complaints to waste time and resources. In this analogy, you're the guy defending these useless complaints by attacking the people trained to spot this counter-intelligence technique.

"WAHHHHHHH, Aren't YOU just slowing down this organization by pointing out this pattern of disarray? WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"

You may think you're advocating for progress with this childish crybaby fest, but you're really just holding it back. Exposing this pattern of disarray is important, and making sure the rest of the movement is aware by putting it into digestible writing is even more important.

Iím advocating actually doing things instead of just whining about it.

Itís critically important to point out these problems, but thatís really quite useless without organizing to overcome them.

Iíve observed Roger for quite some time and he seems more interested in widening rifts on the left than actually accomplishing common goals.

Also, it is not necessary for a saboteur to split the left when there are plenty of leftists like Roger who do an excellent job of it on their own.

WTF?
It was Roger who advised in 2016 to "hold your nose and vote for Clinton".
Which I did. And I hate that "must be brought to heel", Democrat-in-name-only cunt. I lived through eight years of Billary, during which time my kids were little and I was on welfare because that was the only way to stay home, and they killed that. So who's watching the kids? I won't go into that here. Suffice to say that the trauma and bullshit outlasted the Clinton administration.
But hey, y'know what? We're used to that kind of shit. As Roger said, "We lived through it. We might not live through this."
And I went forth, and took a couple of shots of gin, and held my nose and voted for Hillary.

That is NOT what I would call "splitting the left". Voting for a bitch you hate and would relish knocking her teeth into the back of her throat in order to present a united front against the fucking nazis is just the opposite.

Kudos to 2016 Roger, I guess. That isnít some kind of general license to shit down progressiveís throats right now. Thatís just more of the same petty, infighting garbage that got us a Republican controlled Congress.

As long as leftists only vote in presidential elections and spend the rest of the time shitting on grassroots efforts, weíre going to continue to enable literal fascists to further entrench themselves in power.

This thread is about alienating and demoralizing a big chunk of the Left while complaining about infighting. Itís the height of hypocrisy and small-minded spite.

Well, yes.  My motives are bad.  What can I say?  I'm a criminal. 

Calling for the death of all humans, but especially mine and progressives really clears up your MO....

Oh wait, you recommended I commit suicide. Thatís different, considering suicide rates are going up and the damage you can do with comments like that canít ever really be known. Maybe I am a piece of shit that the world would probably be better off without, and to be completely honest your little joke brought up a very painful part of my life and a struggle Iíll probably take to my grave.

Perhaps you helped push a demoralized progressive lurker to end their life, but who knows? I suppose itís unlikely, and even if someone did off themselves, I canít find a single reason to think youíd even bat an eye.

I still canít tell, was Melania wearing your jacket at the child internment camps or not?

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It didnít look to me like LMNO was criticizing you with that vagina comment, Dok.

And forgive me for being Canadian but I think both you and NET have decent points here. If we could forgo from the usual PD.com bloodletting, this could be a very informative and educational discussion. I read an article today about Doug Fordís election which posited that people who donít follow politics closely get spooked easily by the recent speed of change, and reach out to people like Ford and like Trump as a way of holding on to what they know.

And these are largely whities, obviously. And what they want to hold on to is their own dominance in the hierarchy, since thatís the only way theyíve ever known it.

I want to be clear: I think that is wrong.

But it was the first time it was explained to me in a way that made me understand where these people were coming from (obviously I have my own prejudices that I am working to overcome, which gives me a little insight into their view) and how Ford and Trump used these people.

The accusations Dok founded this thread on are not helping our cause much. They are founded accusations a lot of the time, but righteous indignation does not win battles by itself. Strategy does. Stepping away from the rhetoric to be a little objective about how we present ourselves could go a long long way.

I hope this is not interpreted as ďstay in your place and be politeĒ, as that is certainly not my intention.

And if I am flat out wrong, I am willing to learn why.

I appreciate you.

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*starts a thread to snipe on leftists*

ďWhy does the left hate itself so much?Ē

I dunno man, maybe you could spend more time helping to organize and inspire people on your side rather than attacking leftists for attacking leftists who fail YOUR purity test.

Since when is describing, in detail, and advocating against a self-defeating movement within one's closest political equivalency the same thing as attacking one's own political equivalency?

Kinda takes me back to that leaked CIA (Or was it KGB?) document describing ways counter-intelligence operatives throw stones in an organization's efficiency by filling their meetings with useless nonsense and complaints to waste time and resources. In this analogy, you're the guy defending these useless complaints by attacking the people trained to spot this counter-intelligence technique.

"WAHHHHHHH, Aren't YOU just slowing down this organization by pointing out this pattern of disarray? WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"

You may think you're advocating for progress with this childish crybaby fest, but you're really just holding it back. Exposing this pattern of disarray is important, and making sure the rest of the movement is aware by putting it into digestible writing is even more important.

Iím advocating actually doing things instead of just whining about it.

Itís critically important to point out these problems, but thatís really quite useless without organizing to overcome them.

Iíve observed Roger for quite some time and he seems more interested in widening rifts on the left than actually accomplishing common goals.

Also, it is not necessary for a saboteur to split the left when there are plenty of leftists like Roger who do an excellent job of it on their own.

WTF?
It was Roger who advised in 2016 to "hold your nose and vote for Clinton".
Which I did. And I hate that "must be brought to heel", Democrat-in-name-only cunt. I lived through eight years of Billary, during which time my kids were little and I was on welfare because that was the only way to stay home, and they killed that. So who's watching the kids? I won't go into that here. Suffice to say that the trauma and bullshit outlasted the Clinton administration.
But hey, y'know what? We're used to that kind of shit. As Roger said, "We lived through it. We might not live through this."
And I went forth, and took a couple of shots of gin, and held my nose and voted for Hillary.

That is NOT what I would call "splitting the left". Voting for a bitch you hate and would relish knocking her teeth into the back of her throat in order to present a united front against the fucking nazis is just the opposite.

Kudos to 2016 Roger, I guess. That isnít some kind of general license to shit down progressiveís throats right now. Thatís just more of the same petty, infighting garbage that got us a Republican controlled Congress.

As long as leftists only vote in presidential elections and spend the rest of the time shitting on grassroots efforts, weíre going to continue to enable literal fascists to further entrench themselves in power.

This thread is about alienating and demoralizing a big chunk of the Left while complaining about infighting. Itís the height of hypocrisy and small-minded spite.

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So if NET thinks he has a case of the ass at me for pointing out that his side doesn't DO shit except holler how much nothing they get accomplished, then I have to laugh.  Fuck you, NET, and ALSO fuck the hardcore DNC.  I hate you both, and if any of you cared about me, you'd kill yourselves today.

(ETA:  Obviously, Canadians and Eurospags get a pass on this.)

My side? Are you even on the Left or do you just pretend to be?

Iím not a progressive, so as much as you seem intent on shitting on someone who identifies with that movement, Iím more interested in actually accomplishing things that we all have in common.

I have to wonder if your de facto alliance is with every other violent white guy in the US that fantasizes about mass indiscriminate killings and casually encourages suicide. Fuck your entire worldview thatís consistently invested in verbal abuse, demoralization, and dividing people rather than mustering the courage and self-determination necessary for building a world worth living in.

Which is all the more inexcusable in that you can so clearly see these problemsóclearer than mostóbut actively poison every idea to make things less shitty while offering exactly zero ways foward. You are just another instance of what you hate on the Left but you lack enough self-awareness to see it.

Just like most pessimists, youíre sitting on the sidelines spitting on anyone who is taking the risks of working towards a fairer world while you piss and moan about how awful eveyone is. How old are you for fucks sake?

Youíre a goddamn fucking coward with little to offer but some cheap laughs and empty talk.

Congratulations on doing the right wingís work for them out of some pathetic spiral of callous bullshit. Yeah, anger is important because it indicates what you actually care about, but perhaps itís more important as to what you actually do with it.

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