Show Posts

This section allows you to view all posts made by this member. Note that you can only see posts made in areas you currently have access to.


Messages - N E T

Pages: [1] 2 3 4 ... 364
1
So, how's that "We'll survive four years of Trump and it will teach people to vote for Bernie" thing coming along?

As much as I wanted Bernie to win, I voted for Hillary. I think if you seriously tried to engage with Bernie bros who didnít vote, youíd hear hella regret.

But youíre looking for justification to abuse people as usual, not a way forward, thatís pretty clear.

2
Update: https://www.rawstory.com/2018/06/watch-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-refuses-take-cnn-anchors-bait-trash-democrats/

I love her.  This is EXACTLY what you do.  You fight to win, and you keep your eye on the prize.

She's not pandering to the progressives, she's stating her intent to represent them.  The berners will of course turn on her at some point, because bernie bros can't NOT turn on someone who won't piss away the election talking trash about the rest of the left.


Whatever happened to writing off progressives, eh?

:lulz:

3
I thought that was your jacket.

No, because I DO care.  Not caring would mean I don't care what happens to humans.  I care about that a great deal, only not in a positive sense.

I can explain this rationally, if you're interested.

Iím interested.

4
I thought that was your jacket.

5
*starts a thread to snipe on leftists*

ďWhy does the left hate itself so much?Ē

I dunno man, maybe you could spend more time helping to organize and inspire people on your side rather than attacking leftists for attacking leftists who fail YOUR purity test.

Since when is describing, in detail, and advocating against a self-defeating movement within one's closest political equivalency the same thing as attacking one's own political equivalency?

Kinda takes me back to that leaked CIA (Or was it KGB?) document describing ways counter-intelligence operatives throw stones in an organization's efficiency by filling their meetings with useless nonsense and complaints to waste time and resources. In this analogy, you're the guy defending these useless complaints by attacking the people trained to spot this counter-intelligence technique.

"WAHHHHHHH, Aren't YOU just slowing down this organization by pointing out this pattern of disarray? WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"

You may think you're advocating for progress with this childish crybaby fest, but you're really just holding it back. Exposing this pattern of disarray is important, and making sure the rest of the movement is aware by putting it into digestible writing is even more important.

Iím advocating actually doing things instead of just whining about it.

Itís critically important to point out these problems, but thatís really quite useless without organizing to overcome them.

Iíve observed Roger for quite some time and he seems more interested in widening rifts on the left than actually accomplishing common goals.

Also, it is not necessary for a saboteur to split the left when there are plenty of leftists like Roger who do an excellent job of it on their own.

WTF?
It was Roger who advised in 2016 to "hold your nose and vote for Clinton".
Which I did. And I hate that "must be brought to heel", Democrat-in-name-only cunt. I lived through eight years of Billary, during which time my kids were little and I was on welfare because that was the only way to stay home, and they killed that. So who's watching the kids? I won't go into that here. Suffice to say that the trauma and bullshit outlasted the Clinton administration.
But hey, y'know what? We're used to that kind of shit. As Roger said, "We lived through it. We might not live through this."
And I went forth, and took a couple of shots of gin, and held my nose and voted for Hillary.

That is NOT what I would call "splitting the left". Voting for a bitch you hate and would relish knocking her teeth into the back of her throat in order to present a united front against the fucking nazis is just the opposite.

Kudos to 2016 Roger, I guess. That isnít some kind of general license to shit down progressiveís throats right now. Thatís just more of the same petty, infighting garbage that got us a Republican controlled Congress.

As long as leftists only vote in presidential elections and spend the rest of the time shitting on grassroots efforts, weíre going to continue to enable literal fascists to further entrench themselves in power.

This thread is about alienating and demoralizing a big chunk of the Left while complaining about infighting. Itís the height of hypocrisy and small-minded spite.

Well, yes.  My motives are bad.  What can I say?  I'm a criminal. 

Calling for the death of all humans, but especially mine and progressives really clears up your MO....

Oh wait, you recommended I commit suicide. Thatís different, considering suicide rates are going up and the damage you can do with comments like that canít ever really be known. Maybe I am a piece of shit that the world would probably be better off without, and to be completely honest your little joke brought up a very painful part of my life and a struggle Iíll probably take to my grave.

Perhaps you helped push a demoralized progressive lurker to end their life, but who knows? I suppose itís unlikely, and even if someone did off themselves, I canít find a single reason to think youíd even bat an eye.

I still canít tell, was Melania wearing your jacket at the child internment camps or not?

6
It didnít look to me like LMNO was criticizing you with that vagina comment, Dok.

And forgive me for being Canadian but I think both you and NET have decent points here. If we could forgo from the usual PD.com bloodletting, this could be a very informative and educational discussion. I read an article today about Doug Fordís election which posited that people who donít follow politics closely get spooked easily by the recent speed of change, and reach out to people like Ford and like Trump as a way of holding on to what they know.

And these are largely whities, obviously. And what they want to hold on to is their own dominance in the hierarchy, since thatís the only way theyíve ever known it.

I want to be clear: I think that is wrong.

But it was the first time it was explained to me in a way that made me understand where these people were coming from (obviously I have my own prejudices that I am working to overcome, which gives me a little insight into their view) and how Ford and Trump used these people.

The accusations Dok founded this thread on are not helping our cause much. They are founded accusations a lot of the time, but righteous indignation does not win battles by itself. Strategy does. Stepping away from the rhetoric to be a little objective about how we present ourselves could go a long long way.

I hope this is not interpreted as ďstay in your place and be politeĒ, as that is certainly not my intention.

And if I am flat out wrong, I am willing to learn why.

I appreciate you.

7
*starts a thread to snipe on leftists*

ďWhy does the left hate itself so much?Ē

I dunno man, maybe you could spend more time helping to organize and inspire people on your side rather than attacking leftists for attacking leftists who fail YOUR purity test.

Since when is describing, in detail, and advocating against a self-defeating movement within one's closest political equivalency the same thing as attacking one's own political equivalency?

Kinda takes me back to that leaked CIA (Or was it KGB?) document describing ways counter-intelligence operatives throw stones in an organization's efficiency by filling their meetings with useless nonsense and complaints to waste time and resources. In this analogy, you're the guy defending these useless complaints by attacking the people trained to spot this counter-intelligence technique.

"WAHHHHHHH, Aren't YOU just slowing down this organization by pointing out this pattern of disarray? WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"

You may think you're advocating for progress with this childish crybaby fest, but you're really just holding it back. Exposing this pattern of disarray is important, and making sure the rest of the movement is aware by putting it into digestible writing is even more important.

Iím advocating actually doing things instead of just whining about it.

Itís critically important to point out these problems, but thatís really quite useless without organizing to overcome them.

Iíve observed Roger for quite some time and he seems more interested in widening rifts on the left than actually accomplishing common goals.

Also, it is not necessary for a saboteur to split the left when there are plenty of leftists like Roger who do an excellent job of it on their own.

WTF?
It was Roger who advised in 2016 to "hold your nose and vote for Clinton".
Which I did. And I hate that "must be brought to heel", Democrat-in-name-only cunt. I lived through eight years of Billary, during which time my kids were little and I was on welfare because that was the only way to stay home, and they killed that. So who's watching the kids? I won't go into that here. Suffice to say that the trauma and bullshit outlasted the Clinton administration.
But hey, y'know what? We're used to that kind of shit. As Roger said, "We lived through it. We might not live through this."
And I went forth, and took a couple of shots of gin, and held my nose and voted for Hillary.

That is NOT what I would call "splitting the left". Voting for a bitch you hate and would relish knocking her teeth into the back of her throat in order to present a united front against the fucking nazis is just the opposite.

Kudos to 2016 Roger, I guess. That isnít some kind of general license to shit down progressiveís throats right now. Thatís just more of the same petty, infighting garbage that got us a Republican controlled Congress.

As long as leftists only vote in presidential elections and spend the rest of the time shitting on grassroots efforts, weíre going to continue to enable literal fascists to further entrench themselves in power.

This thread is about alienating and demoralizing a big chunk of the Left while complaining about infighting. Itís the height of hypocrisy and small-minded spite.

8

So if NET thinks he has a case of the ass at me for pointing out that his side doesn't DO shit except holler how much nothing they get accomplished, then I have to laugh.  Fuck you, NET, and ALSO fuck the hardcore DNC.  I hate you both, and if any of you cared about me, you'd kill yourselves today.

(ETA:  Obviously, Canadians and Eurospags get a pass on this.)

My side? Are you even on the Left or do you just pretend to be?

Iím not a progressive, so as much as you seem intent on shitting on someone who identifies with that movement, Iím more interested in actually accomplishing things that we all have in common.

I have to wonder if your de facto alliance is with every other violent white guy in the US that fantasizes about mass indiscriminate killings and casually encourages suicide. Fuck your entire worldview thatís consistently invested in verbal abuse, demoralization, and dividing people rather than mustering the courage and self-determination necessary for building a world worth living in.

Which is all the more inexcusable in that you can so clearly see these problemsóclearer than mostóbut actively poison every idea to make things less shitty while offering exactly zero ways foward. You are just another instance of what you hate on the Left but you lack enough self-awareness to see it.

Just like most pessimists, youíre sitting on the sidelines spitting on anyone who is taking the risks of working towards a fairer world while you piss and moan about how awful eveyone is. How old are you for fucks sake?

Youíre a goddamn fucking coward with little to offer but some cheap laughs and empty talk.

Congratulations on doing the right wingís work for them out of some pathetic spiral of callous bullshit. Yeah, anger is important because it indicates what you actually care about, but perhaps itís more important as to what you actually do with it.

9
Itís safer to predict failure and do jack shit from the sidelines, isnít it?

10
*starts a thread to snipe on leftists*

ďWhy does the left hate itself so much?Ē

I dunno man, maybe you could spend more time helping to organize and inspire people on your side rather than attacking leftists for attacking leftists who fail YOUR purity test.

Since when is describing, in detail, and advocating against a self-defeating movement within one's closest political equivalency the same thing as attacking one's own political equivalency?

Kinda takes me back to that leaked CIA (Or was it KGB?) document describing ways counter-intelligence operatives throw stones in an organization's efficiency by filling their meetings with useless nonsense and complaints to waste time and resources. In this analogy, you're the guy defending these useless complaints by attacking the people trained to spot this counter-intelligence technique.

"WAHHHHHHH, Aren't YOU just slowing down this organization by pointing out this pattern of disarray? WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"

You may think you're advocating for progress with this childish crybaby fest, but you're really just holding it back. Exposing this pattern of disarray is important, and making sure the rest of the movement is aware by putting it into digestible writing is even more important.

Iím advocating actually doing things instead of just whining about it.

Itís critically important to point out these problems, but thatís really quite useless without organizing to overcome them.

Iíve observed Roger for quite some time and he seems more interested in widening rifts on the left than actually accomplishing common goals.

Also, it is not necessary for a saboteur to split the left when there are plenty of leftists like Roger who do an excellent job of it on their own.

Right, pointing out the problem to other people who may have time and resources to dedicate to organizing and fixing the problem is totally widening rifts  :roll:

I'm not speaking for anyone else here, but I know I certainly don't have time to organize to fix this kind of problem. Personally, I'm gonna complain 'till I'm blue in the face or I run out of SSRIs and nicotine patches. And I expect others who lack the time to do the same.

Not to mention, if you agree that these are problems, then this whole game of yours is just "shoot the messenger." That's like getting pissed at the Media for presenting a problem because they didn't decide to just try to fix the problem themselves. Do you think people should just not talk about problems at all, and just independently try to fix them with only a baseline, undiscussed understanding of them? At what point is ranting and discussing the problem too much discussion and not enough action?

For someone who's so against whining, you seem to be doing a lot of it.

Iím against whining and stopping there.

Funny how the left is full of ďmessengersĒ like you, who exempt themselves from actually doing a goddamn thing. Fuck your excuses.

Again, this begs the obvious question:  What has been done?  What has been accomplished?

Perhaps you could use motivated reasoning to accomplish something beyond a sense of smug satisfaction that your pessimistic outlook was confirmed?

But youíre a real tough guy that doesnít afraid of risk right? Except the emotional risk of putting energy into political activities that very well could fail.....


11
Apple Talk / Re: What's the Matter, Bunky?
« on: June 06, 2018, 12:50:20 am »
I can totally see a reasonable, even-handed discussion from this post onward.

Not taking the bait.

Carry on your whine-fest without actually addressing the problems youíre pointing out then.

:boring:

I don't mind if I do.  You're not my supervisor, I am not actually required to fill out the forms you want.

:boring:

12
*starts a thread to snipe on leftists*

ďWhy does the left hate itself so much?Ē

I dunno man, maybe you could spend more time helping to organize and inspire people on your side rather than attacking leftists for attacking leftists who fail YOUR purity test.

Since when is describing, in detail, and advocating against a self-defeating movement within one's closest political equivalency the same thing as attacking one's own political equivalency?

Kinda takes me back to that leaked CIA (Or was it KGB?) document describing ways counter-intelligence operatives throw stones in an organization's efficiency by filling their meetings with useless nonsense and complaints to waste time and resources. In this analogy, you're the guy defending these useless complaints by attacking the people trained to spot this counter-intelligence technique.

"WAHHHHHHH, Aren't YOU just slowing down this organization by pointing out this pattern of disarray? WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"

You may think you're advocating for progress with this childish crybaby fest, but you're really just holding it back. Exposing this pattern of disarray is important, and making sure the rest of the movement is aware by putting it into digestible writing is even more important.

Iím advocating actually doing things instead of just whining about it.

Itís critically important to point out these problems, but thatís really quite useless without organizing to overcome them.

Iíve observed Roger for quite some time and he seems more interested in widening rifts on the left than actually accomplishing common goals.

Also, it is not necessary for a saboteur to split the left when there are plenty of leftists like Roger who do an excellent job of it on their own.

Right, pointing out the problem to other people who may have time and resources to dedicate to organizing and fixing the problem is totally widening rifts  :roll:

I'm not speaking for anyone else here, but I know I certainly don't have time to organize to fix this kind of problem. Personally, I'm gonna complain 'till I'm blue in the face or I run out of SSRIs and nicotine patches. And I expect others who lack the time to do the same.

Not to mention, if you agree that these are problems, then this whole game of yours is just "shoot the messenger." That's like getting pissed at the Media for presenting a problem because they didn't decide to just try to fix the problem themselves. Do you think people should just not talk about problems at all, and just independently try to fix them with only a baseline, undiscussed understanding of them? At what point is ranting and discussing the problem too much discussion and not enough action?

For someone who's so against whining, you seem to be doing a lot of it.

Iím against whining and stopping there.

Funny how the left is full of ďmessengersĒ like you, who exempt themselves from actually doing a goddamn thing. Fuck your excuses.

13
*starts a thread to snipe on leftists*

ďWhy does the left hate itself so much?Ē

I dunno man, maybe you could spend more time helping to organize and inspire people on your side rather than attacking leftists for attacking leftists who fail YOUR purity test.

Since when is describing, in detail, and advocating against a self-defeating movement within one's closest political equivalency the same thing as attacking one's own political equivalency?

Kinda takes me back to that leaked CIA (Or was it KGB?) document describing ways counter-intelligence operatives throw stones in an organization's efficiency by filling their meetings with useless nonsense and complaints to waste time and resources. In this analogy, you're the guy defending these useless complaints by attacking the people trained to spot this counter-intelligence technique.

"WAHHHHHHH, Aren't YOU just slowing down this organization by pointing out this pattern of disarray? WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"

You may think you're advocating for progress with this childish crybaby fest, but you're really just holding it back. Exposing this pattern of disarray is important, and making sure the rest of the movement is aware by putting it into digestible writing is even more important.

Iím advocating actually doing things instead of just whining about it.

Itís critically important to point out these problems, but thatís really quite useless without organizing to overcome them.

Iíve observed Roger for quite some time and he seems more interested in widening rifts on the left than actually accomplishing common goals.

Also, it is not necessary for a saboteur to split the left when there are plenty of leftists like Roger who do an excellent job of it on their own.

14
Apple Talk / Re: What's the Matter, Bunky?
« on: June 05, 2018, 09:31:58 pm »
I can totally see a reasonable, even-handed discussion from this post onward.

Not taking the bait.

Carry on your whine-fest without actually addressing the problems youíre pointing out then.

:boring:

15
*starts a thread to snipe on leftists*

ďWhy does the left hate itself so much?Ē

I dunno man, maybe you could spend more time helping to organize and inspire people on your side rather than attacking leftists for attacking leftists who fail YOUR purity test.

Pages: [1] 2 3 4 ... 364