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You know what?  It's just a different goal is all.  Neither approach is wrong.  You seem to be focusing on data collection, I seem to be focusing on data processing.  Either one would be beneficial.

Though I still want life extension.

I didn't really understand your use case til you explained it but I think we're on the same page. Data collection is one bit of what I'm looking at. Broadly, I want to compensate for areas my meat brain is lacking (like your probability example) by having software that brings these calculations to my attention, either at will or (as in your example) as an alert.

I'm with you on life extension. I'm not planning on dying. Still feels weird saying that but in a couple of decades time maybe not so much. However, it's being attacked on so many fronts that maybe we'll rewrite our DNA or maybe we'll upload our consciousness to a cloud server. Both possibilities seemed a lot more far fetched ten years ago than they do now.

To tell the truth, I would love an implant that could accurately calculate probabilities at speed.

Think bigger. If an implant happens it'll tether to your mobile. All your communications, navigation, calendar, apps and web traffic, routed straight through your head. I'm not thinking much will have changed from where we are now in terms of what the device is capable of computing, just a leap forward in interface fluidity that would mean all that information would be accessed by just thinking about it, rather than fiddling about with a little box in your pocket.

We'll see AR rolling out over the next year or two, as it matures it should be a halfway step to what I'm talking about. Depends on how much we can squeeze out of eye and ear bandwidth. Just being able to vocalise a query and have the solution appear in your field of view will make a big difference and that's so close to done it's scary. Imagine the "Correct me if I'm wrong" App, which monitors your conversation and throws up an article link if you're talking shit or corroboration if not. :lulz:

well, to address the first part, I was trying to argue for cyborgs as a shortcut to the level of grace and autonomy that were trying to achieve with robots like Asimo. why teach a robots to walk and run and shit when we can already do that stuff?

Admittedly I admit i think i might not understand what you mean by biomedically, which here i thought meant small stuff like pacemakers, or replacement limbs, and not augmentative things like brain to brain telepathy. If it is the proper term for what i'm trying to convey, (installing electronics directly into our meaty bits) then i'm sorry, not just for being ignorant but also for being dismissive.
 Also, i blame that mad scientist wet dream I posted just now mostly on that Choice of Robots game. It has sent my imagination to some very odd places lately.

I still can't figure out exactly what you're asking. Can you distill it into something concise and specific? "installing electronics directly into our meaty bits" is hopelessly vague. Are you talking about putting a computer "brain" inside a human body? The human brain is already much much better than any computers are and possibly better than we can ever make them. Are you talking about adding enhancements, like implanted internet connectivity? That could be neat, and will almost certainly happen.

Depends on the application. The human brain is fucking terrible at processing straightforward numerical and logical calculations to any measurable degree of accuracy. So much so that the number of these operations it can deal with in one second averages out to less than one, whereas machine speed is fast approaching trillions on a bog standard chip. Memory and recall have already been enhanced beyond recognition by machines.

Or Kill Me / Re: Autism adhd and rough drafts for forensic.
« on: January 28, 2015, 06:43:59 pm »

From all of the rationalizations one can create to avoid treatment for mental illness, one of them is people don't recognize they have a problem in the first place - they rather are special snowflakes that none understand -; another rationalization is sweeping generalizations to discredit entire fields of research and professions.

By your own logic ALL doctors and nurses make people sick, mechanics ruin cars, engineers break their systems.

Trust NO ONE, so do surgery on yourself, fix your own car and self medicate.

Maybe the truth is a some in column-A and some in column-B?

I'm on the fence. Knowing mental dysfunction the way I do, I know it's a lot more complex than just broad canvassing select symptoms. I agree with the OP's observation of the potential for the diagnosis to influence cognitive development. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if this happened sometimes.

Depends what comes first. Probably a blended approach. If I can increase my telomeres or whatever it is that biology needs to do then good and well but if they can just hack off my legs and plug some carbon fibre replacements into the stumps then my interest in athletes foot preparations will drop sharply.

Is a humanoid shape the optimum way to lift things or kill things?

I very much doubt it. My stake in this is purely upgrading myself, based on the existing primate/biped model. Run faster, jump higher, think better. Humanoid is merely what I'm used to, so it'd make sense to stick with that shape, at least to begin with. The best shape for a supermarket checkout operator is checkout shape. The best shape for a robot sniper is a quadcopter with a rifle. Functional robotics is about thinking outside the box. Humanoid robots is a vanity exercise


I apply the same logic to inventing conscious machines. "AGI" as they're calling it. I'm like human cognition is solved.


I can't have read that right.

We're it?

Pretty much yea. My logic is, that since there seems to be a gap between human and robotic bipedal movements at least for the moment, will it be simpler to just jam a bunch of cyborg electronics into the human body(which is technically a machine that already knows how to run and jump and navigate through physical environments on its own) than to slog through however many years it'll take for bipedal robots like Asimo to surpass humans physically. After all, i remember reading an article about a man in France who has already become the worlds first living cyborg (he has a robotic eye which is also a functioning camera) and is already capable of going around and conducting his own affairs, whereas most bipedal robots have trouble navigating through uncontrolled environments. Our evolution has already created a machine that can walk around and survive just about every biome on earth, why not just upgrade it instead of reinventing the wheel?

I apply the same logic to inventing conscious machines. "AGI" as they're calling it. I'm like human cognition is solved. Invent a motherboard and some expansion peripherals and you got superintelligence. Think about the fact that we've been an incomprehensible level of advanced to the civilisation before written language was invented in terms of storage capacity and ease of access to information for thousands of years now.

Human brain is strong as fuck in a lot of areas but deficient as fuck in many others. Machines are strong as fuck in many of these other areas but deficient as fuck, for the most part, in the bits the meatware covers well. My best guess is (talking about decades away, mature technology here, not the shit that's coming out the next couple of years) that an average person, with full ar, and closely mentally linked to massive cloud-based AI, would be capable of outhinking and mentally outperforming you in any broadly mental task, to the same degree the smartest genius alive today could in one or two narrow fields.

So back to cybernetics. Yeah - I totally get how having all the autonomic stuff coded for without the infinitely more complex task of creating an autonomous pilot to drive it will mean that we'll be the ideal control module for humanoid robotic vehicles. Human beings are fucking amazing at driving bipedal ape-based robots about the planet. It'll take a fair while til asimo is doing parkour.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: Obama's finally getting his "fuck you" on
« on: January 27, 2015, 11:51:45 am »
Last I heard Google had a pretty significant stakeholder interest in US Govt. I'm guessing after a few years of idealistic bullshit they've finally bitten the bullet and adopted an - if you can't beat 'em, own 'em - approach.

Techmology and Scientism / Re: Microsoft enters the AR space
« on: January 26, 2015, 09:47:09 pm »
The main problem is, music in your brain isn't physical sound. The only way that would work is to invent a neuron reader.

It seems to be mainly a problem with resolution and neural net density. Presumably those are going to increase over time. The neural nets themselves, I'd put money on. Bloody rapidly if the history of transistors on silicon is anything to go by. FuckifIknow with the brain scanners but it wouldn't surprise me. Maybe some

So once we have the tech in place, we scan at max resoution, umpteen images per second. So you play a known note or sound and then you tell the trainer guy to imagine it just so. Then spit the scanner output in the markov and crosslink the sound/note/tune with the scan.

Eventually you're catching notes and waveforms, then whole sequences of those, then it'll be polyphonic, multi tibral, symphonic... Remember the Moog? First stage - mental Stylophonetm Did you have those in the states?

It'd get interesting when you were applying enough horsepower

Techmology and Scientism / Re: Microsoft enters the AR space
« on: January 26, 2015, 05:09:28 pm »
Just had a thought regarding this subvocalization malarkey. If you take understanding spoken language as a baseline, how far up or down is the fidelity required to grab music I play in my head?

I quite often invent whole bloody symphonies in my mind's ear but lack the dedication to figure out how to write it down in music language and then turn it into out loud shit. Only I get to listen to it. Would be the crown king of epic if I could just record the shit as it happened. Use it as backing tracks for kayaking vids.

Musicians and composers, spitting bullets about how it's just not cricket in 3... 2... 1...  :evil:

Techmology and Scientism / Re: Microsoft enters the AR space
« on: January 24, 2015, 11:29:43 am »
That application sounds like fun, but I'm still waiting for the technology that translates subvocalizations to readable text so that we can have functional telepathy. Phone texting approaches it, but isn't quite there.

Sounds like voodoo to me. Last I heard they were still working on vocal-vocalizations. The last couple of years have covered a lot of ground on that front but there's still a ways to go in understanding context and following conversational threads. Are you talking about some research you know or is the subvocalization thing still strictly scifi?

NASA was working on something too, but I have no idea what happened with that.

Awesome! That would certainly be a game changer. I'm not currently paying much attention to BCI stuff, atm. The last I heard there was some kind of implantable chip but there were problems with the neural connections degrading (scarring?) over time. Non-invasive would definitely seem to be the way to go in the short term.

Techmology and Scientism / Re: Microsoft enters the AR space
« on: January 23, 2015, 11:06:55 pm »
AR's been around for donkeys but the wearable display is the quantum leap. Not having to reach into your pocket and tap a screen to access your computation will make it seamless. No line of demarcation between meatspace and cyberspace, they'll essentially be the same thing from this point forward.

The Richard Nixon school of ballet and the arts / Re: Explaining eris
« on: January 23, 2015, 10:41:44 am »
What the actual fuck is this thread? :roll:

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