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Or Kill Me / Re: You're not conscious
« on: March 24, 2017, 12:44:35 am »
I'd like to take a sec to touch some of my own skepticism and uncertainty:

There's all this talk about the "centers" - mental, emotional, physical... Each center is an "apparatus" or "mind" that dictates certain functions.

A lot of people have chopped up the centers into various subparts. One system tells you that each center has its own intellect, emotion, and movement. Another system will tell you that the physical center (more often called the "moving center") has three parts: motor, instinct, and sex.  Et cetera.

I think this is kinda dodgy and hard to verify, especially since the centers are all working at the same time. If I want a healthy sandwich, is that intellect? emotion? body? a mix of all three, right? so how are these categories useful?

The self is a funhouse mirror - if you go looking into your own mental processes through the lens that there are two centers, God and the Devil, you will be able to recognize your thoughts and behaviors as either belonging to God or the Devil. What you seek so shall you find. So how can any of these divisions be "real"?


What I think is key here is that we're trying to figure out where our thoughts come from.

And through doing that, we're trying to develop something outside of those forces, which can moderate it.

I used to think of emotions as these more or less automatic processes that get in our way. I saw the rational, logical mind is the real self we have to listen to. After all, of all the centers, the intellect seems the most under our control. So isn't that the self?

But this line of self-observation illuminated to me the ways that my intellect is also mechanical, that it has its own needs which are sometimes in conflict with other parts of me. And if I focus on intellect, I become unbalanced. The consciousness we're working on is something outside of the intellect, something that can moderate it or make room for it as needed by the harmonious, combined self.

My advice would be forget about the source. It's as elusive as to be irrelevant. Might as well be emergence itself. I've written it off as the bit of me I can't look at (although it's fun to try). It's where the looking comes from. A point, not a thing. Models and terminologies are very much subject to the map/territory issue. Be mindful of this and then go exploring. There's a lot of different bits at play, as you've noted. Spend some time watching how they interact. Get to know them. Figure out what you want to do with them. Figure out how.

Question for all you spags:

If you have an online friend and you are concerned that they might be bipolar, do you risk offending them and say something? Or let it be?

Online friend? Doubt if it'd make a difference one way or another. Unless they're asking you. Upswing or downswing?

Upswing. They didn't ask, or I would have just told them. It would be completely unsolicited and therefore potentially offensive.

Lot of variables I'm not aware of but in my experience, manic phase - it'll be in one ear and out the other. If it goes in at all. Usually the time to mention it to me would have been after the party but by then the damage is done. Tough call. You're Nigel. Go with your instincts.

Bring and Brag / Re: P3nT's Shoops
« on: March 23, 2017, 11:53:08 pm »
Here he is after the blender treatment, with a dash of shoop to wash it down.

Bring and Brag / Re: P3nT's Shoops
« on: March 23, 2017, 01:14:55 pm »
He's General Zog, leader of the Martian Imperial Invasion Force. Pictured here on the eve of the grand conquest of Earth. They had a solid plan and it would probably have gone without a hitch if not for the fact that General Zog stood a quarter of a millimeter tall by earthling measurements. The Martian Physicists manning the telescopes had made a mistake with the decimal point and the whole fleet was destroyed when it was run over by a kid on a skateboard 2 minutes after landing.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: London knife attacks
« on: March 23, 2017, 11:28:04 am »
So far 5 dead, 40 wounded and "attacker known to police".

Shitshow imminent.

Rolling media news in minor frenzy, strongly suspect that this style/level of reporting is not going to decrease incidents and is actually making the problem much worse. If it is ISIS related it's pretty much free PR and will almost certainly be used as a recruiting tool. If it's not ISIS I'll have a fiver on them getting the blame anyway for now as means to shove through some very questionable emergency measures.

That's the beauty of terrorism as a strategy. In essence, the physics of what happened here is remarkably similar to the guy who took a heart attack at the wheel of a bin lorry in Glasgow a couple of years back, ie. vehicle ploughs into a bunch of pedestrians but, because this prick did it on purpose, with an agenda, the rest of the country seems hell-bent on honoring that agenda and carrying his last wishes out to the letter. One demented twat has more political authority in this country than the corporations and government combined who are all, right now, bending over backward to serve his will.

Terrorism is the act of making millions of people dance to your tune. I can't help thinking the correct response would have been to shoot the twat then give him a byeline on page 20 of the local paper but, hey, planet full of demented primates. As you were...

Bring and Brag / Re: P3nT's Shoops
« on: March 23, 2017, 08:06:59 am »

The european normalcy standard is actually based on me

Question for all you spags:

If you have an online friend and you are concerned that they might be bipolar, do you risk offending them and say something? Or let it be?

Online friend? Doubt if it'd make a difference one way or another. Unless they're asking you. Upswing or downswing?

I'm thinking they would dual wield - bastard sword in one hand, attack falcon in the other

Dual wielding, yes but not that. More likely flails or anything similar that has as much chance as damaging you as the enemy.

Obviously, no armour.

WTF? Have you seen how they play rugby? Be fucking covered in the shit.

Aneristic Illusions / London knife attacks
« on: March 22, 2017, 03:53:43 pm »
Looks like there's been a spot of argy bargy down south

No doubt it's all we'll be hearing about for the next fortnight or so  :kingmeh:

Bring and Brag / Re: P3nT's Shoops
« on: March 22, 2017, 03:14:51 pm »
damn, man! You've come a long way.

if I ever actually repair my 3d printer repaired, it'd be cool to print one of these.

No worries. Just hit me up and I'll fire some .obj's your way. Be cool to see one printed out. Some dude from facebook was threatening to print Mrs Sneddon the other night. I'll post pics in here if he ever does.

Bring and Brag / Re: P3nT's Shoops
« on: March 21, 2017, 11:50:07 pm »
Still a long way to go but getting comfy with the anatomy down to about the tits lets me bang out shit that I'm happy enough with to spur me on. You should have seen the full body figure study I attempted before this, tho. Fucking zero idea what's going on down there. Got fed up after an hour and a half trying to get the bastard ankles right and scrapped it then blasted out the woodland fawn prick in 40 mins as a pick me up for my shattered ego.

Much easier to wear the defeats than it was six months ago when everything I tried was fail. Now I can at least score a win every now and again. This time next year the plan is full body sculpts from memory. That's when this shit'll really get interesting 8)

Bring and Brag / Re: P3nT's Shoops
« on: March 21, 2017, 09:34:33 pm »

Or Kill Me / Re: You're not conscious
« on: March 21, 2017, 08:00:46 pm »
Some random thoughts.

When you are mindful of your thoughts you invoke a minder. One who minds. This is consciousness or, more correctly, this is the seat of consciousness. The font from which consciousness pours. I'm of the opinion that when most people talk about consciousness they are simultaneously aware of this phenomenon but blind to what they are aware of, given that it permeates every facet of mind but is not mind. And in looking for it, they see it's fingerprints everywhere, in every thought and deliberation and they point at some mundane but hard to notice mental process and say - "this is consciousness" and they totally miss the joke. Consciousness is nothing. It's everywhere but it's nothing. It's much harder to examine because everywhere it looks it sees evidence of it's own passing. Footprints. And they describe the shape but not the form. The action but not the actor.

I also have a sneaking suspicion that cavemen looking for their own consciousness is how all that god and soul bullshit got started because, when you start to get into consciousness hunting and you start to get a feel for your quarry, it's easy to jump to ridiculous conclusions. Consciousness is a pretty ridiculous beast when it comes right down to it.

Techmology and Scientism / Re: Weekly Science Headlines
« on: March 21, 2017, 05:52:56 pm »
Deepmind knocks it out the park again. Pretty much the only thing worth talking about in the ML community since AlphaGo, in terms of where it goes next,  has been episodic memory. Lot of labs trying to develop solutions. This is pretty f'kin awesome.

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