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Fuck if I know. It's not just chinese. Happens from time to time with other things, there's a brand of protein bar f'rinstance they used to sell down the gym, but it happens so often with chinese that I just don't bother anymore. Exception being one upmarket restaurant in Stirling where the food is so good it makes the takeaway shit look like some kind of obscene parody.

Most chinese food does a weird thing in my mouth. Not an allergic reaction, per se but a kind of really fucked up odd thing that's more like licking a battery than a taste. Maybe it's just coincidence and chinese food regularly contains some other ingredient or additive that's doing this or maybe it's some additive in the MSG but I hate it.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: Random News Stories
« on: January 16, 2015, 11:59:01 am »
It's refreshing to know this but, at the same time it merely invalidates the "...but" clause. For me the "...but" clause was never valid anyway. I'm a kind of nazi when it comes to free speech and causing offence. Especially when causing offence to people who deserve more than anyone to be offended. If a belief system is so threadbare and weak that it must be protected by violence from any criticism or satire then it deserves to be criticized and satirized to death.

Shit ideas should not be respected and venerated. If they are, we end up in the situation we're in. Mindless drones blowing the piss out of journalists because their choice of irrational fiction says so.

I've been saying for years, the people making the decisions have no idea how the technology works that they're making decisions about. I can see this because IT is my field but now I'm wondering if this disparity is across the board. Would certainly explain a hell of a lot  :horrormirth:

Being a douchebag and getting banned. If there's anything more meaningful in life then I honestly don't have time for it

Aneristic Illusions / Re: Oh Dearism.
« on: January 14, 2015, 07:53:13 am »
We're all totally fucked if humanity stays in charge. Maybe AI is actually our only hope :lulz:

Only known communicable mental illness  8)

I once saw a cosmo article that suggested wrapping a shoe string around a mans penis and twisting it back and forth like a boy scout trying to start a fire.

Oh hey so they can be right sometimes.

Fuck you, I only thought of one thing to post today and you fuckin stole it from me  :argh!:

Or Kill Me / Re: I R STOOPID
« on: January 13, 2015, 02:35:24 pm »
The mind is an instrument. Some people play it well and some don't. Also fields - Brilliant, nobel prize winning physicist / tone deaf

Aneristic Illusions / Re: Oh Dearism.
« on: January 13, 2015, 02:09:12 pm »
Yeah, cognitively speaking, meatware is pretty impressive but only when considering the fact that the software wrote itself, by accident. This is why I'm reasonably confident that AI will not turn out to be the anthropomorphic comedy show that many people seem to think it will. Why go to all the trouble of making it rubbish, when it's much easier to make it practically flawless? That is without the irrational emotional circuitry and various other biases and glitches. Problem is many people think Homo Sapiens 1.0 is some sort of holy pinnacle of creation. If that were the case then we'd never have had to bolt on cognitive upgrades like satnav, databases and written language.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: Oh Dearism.
« on: January 12, 2015, 07:17:25 pm »
Posting here to remind myself to come back to this in a couple of days, when I have time.

Posting here to remind Cain to come back to this in a couple of days, when he has time.

Something I'm looking forward to is the inevitable point where prosthetic limbs outperform their bio equivalents by a factor of two. At that point I'll be looking for excuses to get replacements. So I can go out and twice as fuck shit up. If it turns out there isn't a robot revolution, I'll be happy to start one.


I don't think AI could get to the point of creating art. I think it could measure output against feedback indicating pleasure in response to previous works, and probably make variations thereof. The key aspect of using that to influence something new is what makes creativity unquantifiable. The closest thing, I think, would be the equivalent of 1000 monkeys on 1000 typwriters, etc etc, except at a faster speed. Anything that would be truly great would be pretty much accidental.

Genuine artistic creativity is something meatware handles really well. AI is only there to help. Think about the part photoshop plays in the hands of an artist, at present. It enables them to do totally different kinds of stuff, to express themselves in ways enabled by the tech. So we're due to be entering VR and AR space in the near future. Expression may include detailed environments which the user will virtually inhabit.

At present we need to teams of people to create these environments, to model the geometric forms and textures. Software is applied to things like physics and flocking/crowd behaviour but eventually we'll have a bunch of AI agents that can deal with the nuts and bolts of modelling. You ask for a flock of starlings and the machine does a quick google image search, models the birds then checks youtube for videos of them in flight.

Like with photoshop, these AI assistants carry out human instructions and perform algorithmic operations on data. Like with photoshop, the software doesn't resent being told what to do.

To begin with, AI is not "like a person". Artificial intelligence is not self aware consciousness. So we'll begin to see machines which are much more intelligent than us, ie, they can process information, draw inferences that we aren't equipped to see or else just do the kinds of things we're currently employed to do, much faster and much more accurately. This is already happening piecemeal and has been for some time but it's now approaching a tipping-point were a lot of industry analysts are predicting major disruption.

Self driving cars are pretty close to happening so probably within a decade, we can expect to see anyone who's paid to drive a vehicle not being paid to drive a vehicle anymore but the cars themselves are not going to have a bunch of needs and desires. Being able to drive does not necessitate having emotions. The interface may fake being a person (nextgen siri & google now will begin to seem like spike Jonez's "her") but it's just a trick to help us relate to the tech. It's not really conscious.

What you're talking about is what a lot of people are calling "AGI" or Artificial General Intelligence, which is an effort to make a machine which thinks like a human does. Personally I'm pretty confident that if and when they develop an AGI, they'll find it's a whole lot of effort for absolutely fuck all utility. There's a reason we replaced the typing pool with MS Word. Meanwhile Narrow (or task-specific) AI will continue to outperform humans by increasing orders of magnitude, same as ever. Pretty much any job that's based on knowledge will be better handled by a machine.

The way I see it there are two options, given that we're headed toward 100% unemployment. Either dystopia or utopia. Either the spoils of this technological civilization are shared out equally or there will be much killing and death camps. If I had to bet, I'd go with the latter.

I can't eat 90% of UK chinese food. MSG makes my teeth and tongue buzz :vom:

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