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So lemme get this straight - you (Roger the trustworthy) now have the capability to fire MOTHERFUCKEN LAZORZ AT THE MOTHERFUCKEN MOON??   :? :eek: :fap: :horrormirth:  8)

... drives a sensible, economical, family saloon, even though his chances of ever reproducing are nil
... religiously calculates MPG, based on milometer and pump data
... did this before MPG was even a thing
... files his junk mail coupons in dewey decimal

That's the downside of books - You'll find any answer to any stupid plebeian question written by some idiot somewhere. Book burning? Yeah, call me controversial but I reckon you should probably burn most of them :evil:

Techmology and Scientism / Re: Weekly Science Headlines
« on: March 14, 2016, 02:40:01 pm »
LOL, yeah, I guess you're right. I just tend to think emergent AGI is so far off, it's not rteally worth bothering about. What I'm more looking forward to is something that I think much more likely and much more short term - I'll stick my neck on the line and predict that the Turing test will be passed in the next 2-5 years by a machine that does not possess anything even verging on human-level intelligence.

Given that we have an entire mirror-neuron architecture dedicated to projecting anthropomorphic intellect here there and everywhere at the drop of a hat, I suspect that either the next generation of AI assistants or maybe the generation after that will be able to act human enough to fool pretty much everyone except the people working on developing these systems.

At this point we will probably have mass hysteria and paranoia that AGI has arrived and we're all going to die.


Techmology and Scientism / Re: Weekly Science Headlines
« on: March 14, 2016, 11:21:35 am »
Much as I'd love to be wrong I don't see AI "waking up" anytime soon. The main thing I'm taking away from all this is that intelligence aint what makes us human. We've bamboozled ourselves into thinking intelligence is some complex godlike phenomenon where it turns out it's actually just some fairly straightforward mathematical logic, scaled to usefulness.  The distinction between "artifical" intelligence and human intelligence is false. Something either functions intelligently, in which case it's genuinely intelligent, or it doesn't in which case it's a housebrick.

The mysterious aspect of consciousness may or may not be a side effect that emerges from a massively scaled intelligent network. There's arguments on both sides but the truth is nobody knows. Looking at nature, tho it seems reasonable to assume that human-level consciousness with moods and goals and ambitions doesn't happen until you approach a human-scale intelligent network. Best estimates are that's decades away at the very least and centuries at most. What we do have in the meantime is discreet intelligent units which function millions of times faster than meat in specific narrow-domain use cases.

The way I see it is that, right now, nobody in their right mind would try to multiply half a dozen 9-digit numbers in their head and realistically expect to beat a child with a calculator, soon, the same will be true for things like diagnosing medical ailments or looking for interesting data in scientific papers. As Roger said - it's a hammer to save us knocking nails in with our head. I can't see the x-ray scanner suddenly quitting looking for tumours and deciding the fleshy ones are weak and must be destroyed

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Life Changes
« on: March 14, 2016, 09:39:53 am »
I've had a few brushes with alcohol over the years. Shit is like quicksand, just grabs a hold of me and all of a sudden I'm a lot worse off than before, physically, mentally, emotionally.

Been sober for about 14 months now and I still find myself occasionally hankering for a three week bender. Weed, on the other hand has always been there for me and only really became a problem that time I got too deep into the business side of things. 

Techmology and Scientism / Re: Weekly Science Headlines
« on: March 14, 2016, 06:52:08 am »
What's funny to me is that for each successful use case, they're giving humanity a serious kick in the ego since we're forced to accept there's another thing our brains are totally shit at.

Not this kid.  I am a tool user.  I am not sure how I'd be offended by the tools I make or use.  I have tools to augment my physical abilities...A jackhammer can do things I can't do no matter how much time I have.  I would not be offended by tools that do mental things better than I do, either.

That's the way I feel too but there's a whole school of thought out there who are framing this whole thing in a them and us context. I think about half the popular press articles I see on AI have a still from Terminator at the top of the article :lulz:

I enjoyed the living fuck out of this!

Techmology and Scientism / Re: Weekly Science Headlines
« on: March 13, 2016, 09:41:08 am »
I think the next really major breakthrough in AI will come when we finally have enough computing power to model the whole-brain neural network of an animal such as a rat. We have a lot of theory, but unfortunately computers are just so far behind theory that we can't actually test anything. However, recently one of the world's most powerful supercomputers was able to successfully model the connectivity of one cubic millimeter of rat cortex in less than a year - about nine months if I recall - and that tells us that once the technology catches up, it will ultimately be possible to model the complexity of the networks that make up a mammalian brain. There will still be a lot of missing pieces, such as how and where memories are stored, and truly we know very little about brain function, but being able to model the connectivity should help us start to answer these questions, and that will be a good start in informing us how to move forward in developing true AI.

Spoken like a true neuroscientist  :) I've no doubt that being able to model an entire brain will yield tons of awesome data in the neuroscience space but, as you rightly point out - that's a ways off. Short term the advances are in domain-specific narrow-AI which is exploding right now. There's not as much public demand for an artificial entity that can eat cheese and navigate a simple maze (even though that'd be a pretty fkin awesome accomplishment) as there is for say medical imaging analysis or voice recognition or self driving cars.

Even if they gimp it to human comparable levels then it will still easily be able to pick the most relevant one due to being able to assess the whole game state instantly.

The thinking is they're not giving it access to the whole game state. Bear in mind AlphaGo is an evolution of the same system that beat all those atari games, based on only screen input. They'll take the same approach with Starcraft otherwise, like you say - it'd be kind of pointless. Bear in mind these game milestones are just that - milestones. They're not trying to bring to market new and improved chess computers, it's more about PR and measuring the capability of the tech to solve real-world use cases.

Again, I'd like to see a learning AI that isn't modeled on a human.

Because it would scare the shit out of everyone.  Also, it would probably be less likely to decide that we're only good for building out infrastructure as slaves, etc, etc.

AI's aren't really modeled on a human, per se, they're just algorithms that transform data in a vaguely similar way to neurons. Functionally they may as well be modeled on rat or lizard braincells. What's funny to me is that for each successful use case, they're giving humanity a serious kick in the ego since we're forced to accept there's another thing our brains are totally shit at. Don't get me wrong, I think our skullmeat is a pretty impressive piece of hardware (doubly so when you consider the "design process") but what we're finding out here is there are better tools for many of the jobs it used to be considered good at.

*update* Sedol just forced the machine to resign game 4. Looks like there's life in the old ape-configuration yet 8)

Techmology and Scientism / Re: Weekly Science Headlines
« on: March 12, 2016, 07:14:10 pm »
Not really. People still play chess. You just have a better training opponent to improve your skills on. The mindset that gives up is one that's all about competing and winning and bolstering ego. There's another mindset that just wants to improve their self for the sheer hell of being better at something.

I tried go a few years back but I never liked it much. The - too many permutations - thing stuck in my craw a bit. Every couple of centuries some smart ass comes along and invents a new strategic metaphor that applies better than the existing paradigm and all the Go players start doing it that way. Implicit here is the possibility that there's always a better way of approaching the game.

For the sake of exhibition and data collection, they're going to play out the last two games. He may have been trying to save face but Lee Sedol seemed cautiously optimistic about being able to figure out the machines strategy over the next couple of days, during the post match press conference. The pressure's off at least - he's already lost the 1mil prize purse :evil:

Techmology and Scientism / Re: Weekly Science Headlines
« on: March 12, 2016, 02:22:03 pm »
So the big news this morning is that Google/Deepmind's AlphaGo system just beat the current no.1 human player Lee Sedol at the game of Go, winning the first three straight rounds in a - best of five - competition.

The hype is that this is around a decade early, compared to best industry estimates from a month or so ago. Not sure I'm buying it as a quantum leap, tho. Deep learning is pretty much where everyone knew it was, aside from week on week improvements in setup and application. I think this is more an illustration that the human players don't really have a solid grasp of the game. This makes sense when you consider that a game of Go has more permutations than there are atoms in the universe and we already learned back 97 that even the relatively trivial task of examining all the possible permutations on a chessboard is way beyond the capability of the best players our species has to offer.

Either way, it's undoubtedly a significant milestone and unlike Deep Blue, which was programmed from the ground up to be a highly specialized, dedicated chess computer and nothing else, AlphaGo is a collection of general purpose learning algorithms which can be applied to any problem domain, merely by switching the training data. Make no mistake, machine learning is poised to have a much more significant impact than the traditional computing paradigm ever delivered and probably in a shorter timescale, to boot.

The word on the street is the next game-target is starcraft. For a whole bunch of reasons, mostly relating to overview limitations and long term planning, solving Starcraft will make the Chess and Go accomplishments look infantile by comparison.

So our OB/GYN "stripped the membrane" today. So supposedly baby girl will probably be here tomorrow or the next day.

Strikes me you'll make a hell of a father. Congrats and good luck!

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Primerica
« on: March 05, 2016, 11:23:41 am »
Stepson signed up to some pyramid scheme selling TV subscriptions. "Cult" is exactly the right word. There's no functional difference between him going door to door failing to sell Sky packages and someone else going door to door failing to sell historical fiction.

He chopped his hair and got a suit and started believing in himself, which was good. Unfortunately the most important lesson - how to fleece rubes for profit and lulz - flew right over his brainwashed head. Which is a shame, cos having your employees paying you for working there is one of the tightest business models capitalism has to offer :lulz:

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: What's it all for?
« on: March 05, 2016, 11:14:08 am »
Seriously.  I don't think we do well at all without adversity.

That's not discordians - that's the human condition. Without adversity we become fat and weak and lazy and dumb and decadent and we vote for Trump who promises a fatter, weaker, lazier, dumber, more decadent future.

It always happens that way, going right back to the stone age. Then it all collapses and we get our adversity back and it's all good again. Except for the mountains of dead primates. For them, it's not so good.

I misread the title as "open bra" I'm just here for the tits  :argh!:

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