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Apple Zone / Re: Spagbook
« on: May 11, 2013, 06:36:25 am »
Enki doesn't show up on camera. The light bouncing off him is so pedantic that the lense eventually just gives up trying to meet his exacting criteria and makes something up that roughly approximates it's frustration.


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Except when kids become collateral damage as a result of a regime of prohibition enforced by incarceration.

Then RWHN is a true believer in the ends justifying the means.

Yeah. It's okay if it's done in the name of truth an justice and the american dream but if it's in the name of freedom, it's dangerous.

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Kids are never, and should never be, "acceptable collateral damage".  I personally believe that to be a particularily heinous line of thought.

Welcome to the real world. Some kids jump off bridges. Sure be there to catch them or stop them if you can but restricting the freedom of everyone is not the way to do it.

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Any problems I've had with pot have been a direct result of prohibition and not the pot itself.

Problems with being ripped off. Deals gone south. Deals going walkabout. Shit quality product because competition is by baseball bat and sawn-off rather than consumer driven.

You want to try pot - that's where it comes from. Not where it would come from if prohibition were not in effect, no, this is strictly prohibition's doing. Prohibition funds crime, by the same logic which the pot is blamed.

Fact 1: statistically speaking, one of your kids will likely get drunk before they're old enough to do so.

Fact 2: statistically speaking, they'll probably get stoned too.

Fact 3: statistically speaking, they'll probably grow up and live happily ever after

Fact 4: statistically speaking, they may well continue to drink and/or smoke pot, periodically, with no ill effects on their wellbeing

Given that these are facts. You'd rather they were getting close to dangerous criminals in their pursuit of what most normal kids pursue?


Most kids get their marijuana, alcohol, and tobacco from social sources.  People they know.  This 80's mentality that kids are still going to the guy on the corner in a trenchcoat to get their weed is bullshit.  They are hitting up the kid five lockers down at recess, or meeting them on the playground after school. 


And you know what, that element will still ve there if you tax and regulate.  If you tax and regulate, the criminal element will still be there, producing product and pricing conduct to undercut the price on the regulated product.


Legalization doesn't make the criminal element go away, it just makes them adjust their marketing and price structure. 

Yeah, that's right, you've already imparted on us the parable of the magic pot making locker, three rows down. Problem is that's not how it works. Eventually there's a kid buying off a shady guy on a street corner, only this kid is carrying enough to supply all his schoolmates. He's carrying enough to go to juvie. Don't argue - I know this guy exists. I was him. So your plan is to hang this one out to dry.

Acceptable collateral damage, yeah?

In my book, the .001% or whatever of casual users who get "all fucked up on drugs" and the devil steals their IQ points, they are acceptable collateral damage.

My guess is we're talking about the same number of kids

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Slaves that tried to be free people were knowingly breaking laws and should accept their punishment.
False equivalence all day long.

Not really, because you made a similar statement a few pages back that again implied that the law's the law and that any suffering they got was their own fault, because, THE LAW'S THE LAW.

The Law's the law, best to just suck it up! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws


False equivalence because the ability to smoke marijuana without consequence doesn't come close to comparing with the ability to be a free individual.

It's exactly the same thing

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Any problems I've had with pot have been a direct result of prohibition and not the pot itself.

Problems with being ripped off. Deals gone south. Deals going walkabout. Shit quality product because competition is by baseball bat and sawn-off rather than consumer driven.

You want to try pot - that's where it comes from. Not where it would come from if prohibition were not in effect, no, this is strictly prohibition's doing. Prohibition funds crime, by the same logic which the pot is blamed.

Fact 1: statistically speaking, one of your kids will likely get drunk before they're old enough to do so.

Fact 2: statistically speaking, they'll probably get stoned too.

Fact 3: statistically speaking, they'll probably grow up and live happily ever after

Fact 4: statistically speaking, they may well continue to drink and/or smoke pot, periodically, with no ill effects on their wellbeing

Given that these are facts. You'd rather they were getting close to dangerous criminals in their pursuit of what most normal kids pursue?

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Apple Zone / Re: This game is awesome!
« on: May 10, 2013, 07:06:39 pm »
Just realised - the Candy Merchant - Doctor Who. Tom Baker incarnation  :eek:

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Apple Zone / Re: ICONS OF HATE
« on: May 10, 2013, 06:00:40 pm »
Ugh.
I'm happy with my laptop and my cheap Crackberry-clone phone with a keypad and no touch screen. (I liked the phone before it a lot better, you could put a memory card in it. When I bought this one, the feature was no longer available because they were trying to sell cloud drive :puke: )

I don't WANT a pil eof gadgets to do the job of two. I can't AFFORD a laptop AND a tablet AND a phone AND a Chromebook AND a Kindle device AND a dildo that talks dirty to me or tells me I'm pretty or makes coffee or any other halfass shit they're going to come up with.

My dildo tells me I'm pretty. You have no idea how much better that makes the 'baitin until you've tried it. Worth every penny  :fap:

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Yes, the dealer should get jail time, the user should get help.

Something's been bugging me about this.

Are you suggesting all pot smokers need help?


Nope.  Just the ones assessed to need help.

What about the ones that don't need help?  What happens to them?


Treat it like a parking ticket, I'd also recommend some education, particularly of they are stopped operating under the influence.

Education, you say?  Assuming they aren't operating some sort of motor vehicle (which I'd call a DUI, and treat criminally, just as if it were alcohol), what kind of education would you prescribe?


Something similar to DEEP/Prime for Life

So as a super-responsible adult, college graduate, pulling the 9-5/5 days a week, typing up super important papers for lawyers, able to pay for and maintain my own residence, car and bills, no children, no intentions to have children, little interactions with children (and certainly not when smoking, heavens no!), one of the smartest guys in high school, college and subsequently the Commonwealth of Massachusetts (sorry guys, I called it); all-around important (some times I DON'T EVEN have to go through the metal detectors at court and the Judge and prosecutor even said I was a sweet, smart girl woooo-eee); AND having gone through the DARE regimen and being fully aware and educated of the pros and cons of smoking marijuana....I should be able to smoke it then no problem, right?

Being super smart, important, educated and childless seems to fit all the criteria, so what's the problem then?

IT'S AGAINST THE LAW
 :lord:

Statistical analysis proves this

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Lies.

Russian speaking people aren't allowed to smile.  Ever.  They get exiled if they look like they might be doing anything but staring moodily and in a vaugely hostile manner at everyone around them,

It was on the southern shore, a couple hours from Istanbul.

That's no excuse. They're setting a bad example to teh children and should be sent to the salt mines immediately.

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Apple Zone / Re: This game is awesome!
« on: May 10, 2013, 03:27:15 pm »
too lazy to read back. How do I hell?

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Apple Zone / Re: Techno Viking Lawsuit!
« on: May 10, 2013, 03:22:49 pm »
In vikingland the court generally settles on the side of the person carrying the largest axe

Technoviking has a good solid case

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Apple Zone / Re: PICS VIII: 10% LARGER THAN PICS VII
« on: May 10, 2013, 11:07:56 am »
That imageset bothers me in ways I find hard to describe.

First off, it's perfectly transparent about advertising snickers. But, it doesn't even get their ad right.

Second, it implies that (1) Cthulu speaks english, (2) he's 'demonic', (3) he's only 'demonic' because he's hungry, and (4) a candy bar will make him feel better.

In other words, the person who initially made it completely failed (on many levels) to comprehend the basic ideas of both the lovecraft mythos and candy bar commercials, and yet decided to combine them anyway. Probably, if I posted this rant to him directly, he'd have a hissy fit and complain about how I'm ruining his fun.

I guess what really bothers me is that the world contains people like the one who made that photoset and posted it initially without realizing anything was wrong with it.

Just out of interest what's the longest time you've ever gone between shits?

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Most of the people in prison for marijuana are in for other additional crimes or other related drug charges including trafficking.


So legalization isn't exactly going to be opening a floodgate of released prisoners.


But you paint a very romantic, Hollywood-worthy scene.  Points for that at least.

trafficking is marijuana, dipshit. If it shouldn't be illegal then people shouldn't be jailed for supplying it, just like they shouldn't be jailed for using it.


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