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Techmology and Scientism / Digitised nematode brain in a robot
« on: November 30, 2014, 09:16:50 am »
So I've been following the open worm project for a while but somehow missed the fact that they'd hooked up the 300 neuron connectome model to a robot. So the robot hits a wall and backs away. Doesn't sound like much. Pretty sure I could write code to make this happen in a couple of mins but here's the awesome bit - nobody coded anything. The "worm" decided on it's own! Pretty cool!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWQnzylhgHc



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The Richard Nixon school of ballet and the arts / Re: Aya
« on: November 29, 2014, 08:47:18 am »
I've heard a few people saying that we're past the tipping point now. Even if the whole planet quit burning fossil fuel and dumping shit in the ocean tomorrow, it'd be too late. Maybe science will save us

Part of me hopes it doesn't because the inevitable public consensus will then become "See - climate change was a myth after all"  :argh!:

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The Richard Nixon school of ballet and the arts / Re: So black friday...
« on: November 28, 2014, 06:09:46 pm »
How is this any different from the average Friday in Scotland?

Usually the fighting is in pubs or streets or in the comfort of your own home. This being invited to tesco to break legs with the merchandise is something new and exciting!

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The Richard Nixon school of ballet and the arts / Re: Aya
« on: November 28, 2014, 05:20:37 pm »
It's the name. Like, you're talking to this dude on the interbutts called Nigel and you're listening to him and, hey, dude talks a lot of sense and you think "hey I've found a cool dude here" and then suddenly you become aware that HE HAS FUCKING OVARIES!!! :argh!:

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The Richard Nixon school of ballet and the arts / So black friday...
« on: November 28, 2014, 05:12:47 pm »
News is a proper lulzfest right now (so much so I'm actually watching it)

In a nutshell UK retailers have imported the great american tradition of slashing prices for a day then inviting everyone to come along to the stores and beat the shit out each other.

So that's how it was advertised and it's scotland so, in the interests of keeping alive our culture of drunken violence, my fellow countrymen took the retailers up on their generous offer of somewhere to go and kick fuck out each other.

So a couple of stores got a bit trashed in the process and there was plenty carnage. As advertised. Now the retailers are all upset cos... they got what they asked for?

 :lulz:

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The Richard Nixon school of ballet and the arts / Re: Aya
« on: November 28, 2014, 05:00:40 pm »
I was interested in the science. I mean if you're gonna fuck around with your headmeats, might as well have an idea of what you're doing to it, right? I've found this thread really helpful in that regard as i've been wondering if a psychedelic experience might be good for me. I have a bunch of negative thought patterns sometimes and I've been thinking that a trip like that might be enough to help rewire some of that fucked up thinking. I've only ever messed with pot, which unless its the right strain, will put me right to sleep, and the one time i took Welbutrin, which just made my head hurt. Salvia looks manageable and might do the trick, though some people tell me all it does is cause ten seconds of pins-and-needles sensation.

Thanks, I'm glad that my effort to participate wasn't universally seen as a worthless derail. As someone who uses drugs as well as studies them I find it fascinating to understand the mechanisms behind the experiences, because that helps inform me in how to get the most out of the experiences. Understanding how a tool works helps us to use it better.

I found salvia kind of boring, honestly, and I've done it a bunch of times. It was just like being me, only more so. :lol: I remember having some epiphany about masturbation, but I forget what it was.

For reducing negative thought patterns, though, mushrooms are awesome IME.

Okay, in the interests of talking about something potentially interesting, I'll back down and apologise for being a dick. I'd promise sincerely that it won't happen again but, well, you know me :oops: I get that the science is interesting, I really do. It supports stuff that I thought I knew but now can be confident that I haven't imagined the whole thing. We're still left with a dilemma - it's been proven that consciousness can be rearranged. Some hallucinogens can help this process but what we don't have is a method for reprogramming. Where do we go for this? How do we develop a system which I strongly suspect is largely bespoke to the individual subjective consciousness?

Leary tried this decades ago but his research with acid was largely shitcanned. The scientific establishment has hit a plateau with this. Is there any chance of it coming out the doldrums or do we carry on trying to mine needles from haystacks of mystical mumbo jumbo in the meantime?

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: Yo Pent, genes and biotech
« on: November 28, 2014, 01:06:43 pm »
Okay the digression was enlightening but I'm thinking TMI from my point of view :eek: The proteins thing, tho is totally the bit that's fucking me up. I suspect it's the quintessential difference between coding for abstract information (my current line of work) and coding for self-replicating smart matter (where bioinformatics is headed) I'm thinking the crux of the matter is that coding computer uses instructions to manipulate data whereas coding bio uses little robots to build stuff?

I'm trying to come up with an analogy for proteins and I'm fucked if I can. If I'm reading this right, proteins are an intermediate step between DNA/RNA "operation" and cells although sometimes they can be the end in itself. How does one get from protein synthesis to a cell or an organism?

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The Richard Nixon school of ballet and the arts / Re: Aya
« on: November 28, 2014, 12:52:46 pm »
From an OP about ayahuasca? How the fuck did we manage to derail it onto drugs?  :?

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Karen Armstrong Talk
« on: November 28, 2014, 10:46:57 am »
Makes perfect sense to me. I've always seen the role of religion in wars as a form of social wheel grease, same as nationalism or ideology. When you're going to war, it's good to have the people behind you. Doesn't matter how, all that matters is they're behind you. If they're religious then the war is gods idea. If they're ideologues then it was Karl Marx's idea...

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The Richard Nixon school of ballet and the arts / Re: Aya
« on: November 28, 2014, 09:54:36 am »
What is this self-indulgent shit?

Nobody cares about science anymore. :(

DRUGS R MORE BETTER.  THERE'S FAIRIES AND CRONES.

SCIENCE DON'T KNOW NOTHING, TAKING DRUGS IS CONSCIOUSNESS ENGINEERING THAT GOES BACK FOREVS.

I am fascinated by Holist's aversion to actual science.

I'm kind of fascinated by the totally dismissive response to my attempt at participating, like "oh so research has found the mechanisms by which certain hallucinogens can help rewire debilitating physical responses to traumatic memories? Oh, well, that's all theoretical, I'ma talk about subjective experiences through my cultural filter".

I was like, this is interesting and I know something about it, but apparently what I find fascinating about it is completely invalid because maiden mother and crone. Which surely can't be experiences that are the result of reframing experiences in a vulnerably plastic brain in light of a particular cultural background, it must be some glorious Universal Truth, because fuck science what does it know anyway.

Besides, doing a ton of hallucinogens at 17 makes you Forever Wise. You can just stop, secure in the knowledge that you had universal enlightenment, and never try again.

This is why I'm saying we're outside the remit of science. Consciousness is an entirely subjective experience. Your scientific interest is like someone watching people skateboard and then jumping in the conversation with a whole bunch of fancy words that explain how the wheels go round.

That's all good and well but a bunch of skaters were talking about grinding the lip. No we're not scientists but we somehow had still managed to figure out the wheels went round. Of course for a scientist, this claim is preposterous. How could we possibly know this? I bet we didn't know there were four of them, tho, right? Brand new studies have only just discovered this. We couldn't possibly know that.

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The Richard Nixon school of ballet and the arts / Re: Aya
« on: November 27, 2014, 04:36:43 pm »
I love science but, when it comes to consciousness there essentially isn't any or rather, they're just getting started

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It seems to actually loosen the glial scaffolding that holds axodendritic synapses in place, allowing some of the connections to separate and new connections to form

So science has observed the tiny little cells that make consciousness happen and it appears that the connections between them can be re-jiggered (neuroplasticity?) and certain plants can facilitate this. How is this information useful to me? Well it isn't really but scale it up a bit and it might follow (after another decade or two of research) that consciousness can be edited.

While I'm waiting for science to discover this, I'm more than happy to discuss tried and tested semantic systems for cognitive engineering, some dating back to the stone age and some of which have been scientifically proven to, yanno, loosen glial scaffolding and shit.

For some reason tho, these non-scientific approaches seem to throw a whole bunch of panties into turmoil round here so, yeah, fuck that noise.

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The Richard Nixon school of ballet and the arts / Re: Aya
« on: November 27, 2014, 02:39:13 pm »
I got an intensive tutorial in how the mind formulates it's model of reality, how thoughts come about, how decisions are evaluated and made, the role that physiological inputs and reflexes play in the currently active personality and, more importantly, how to influence and override most of my own memeplex more or less at will.

Needless to say, in the hands of a 15/16 year old stoner burnout and borderline alcoholic this toolkit proved to be a disaster of hilarious proportions. 30 years on and I'm still learning to fly this fucking thing  :lulz:

This...in abundance.

Not unlike when you get that really cool bios that let's you fuck with memory timing, core voltages, and ALL THE THINGS--eventually you come to this horrible realization that, you know, maybe they were set that way for a reason...and even if not, maybe I should have figured out what the fuck I was doing BEFORE I started mucking around with it.

Yup. One of the hardest lessons was what I call the "dependency forest" the way that the structure hangs together as a series of interlocking trees, growing outward from core nodes and branching repeatedly to form our current mind. Changing little bits at the top (even whole swathes at a time) is pretty harmless and can be very useful but, the deeper you go, the more the butterfly effect kicks in with a vengeance. Of course, when you're suddenly granted superuser privileges who the fuck wants to piss around changing the colour scheme, right?

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The Richard Nixon school of ballet and the arts / Re: Aya
« on: November 26, 2014, 09:43:16 pm »
I got an intensive tutorial in how the mind formulates it's model of reality, how thoughts come about, how decisions are evaluated and made, the role that physiological inputs and reflexes play in the currently active personality and, more importantly, how to influence and override most of my own memeplex more or less at will.

Needless to say, in the hands of a 15/16 year old stoner burnout and borderline alcoholic this toolkit proved to be a disaster of hilarious proportions. 30 years on and I'm still learning to fly this fucking thing  :lulz:

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The Richard Nixon school of ballet and the arts / Re: Aya
« on: November 26, 2014, 04:28:27 pm »
I spent a couple of months of my late teens on psillocybin caps. Started out as recreation and ended up something much deeper and more profound. Never felt the need to revisit the experience. Was kind of like learning to read and write. Once you've done it, there's no real reason to go back to grade school.

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The Richard Nixon school of ballet and the arts / Re: Aya
« on: November 26, 2014, 02:17:08 pm »
Spoken like a true member of the clergy

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