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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Intermittens #5
« on: February 12, 2009, 04:35:45 pm »
Yeah, Alphapance, we're piling on teh aspietard here. Quit cramping our style  :argh!:

Or Kill Me / Re: Hey you, Hey you...
« on: February 12, 2009, 04:24:51 pm »
Agree with Nigel - this rocked, right up to the last 3 lines.

:mittens: anyway. For a fledgeling hatemonger this one shows promise

Literate Chaotic / Re: The Haiku Game
« on: February 12, 2009, 01:38:40 pm »
get the fuck out of dodge
the chinese are on the way

NT: Banks begging on street corners

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Intermittens #5
« on: February 12, 2009, 12:36:24 pm »

Or Kill Me / Re: Your body
« on: February 12, 2009, 12:17:21 pm »
At which point did I accuse you of plagiarising? Unoriginal =/= copying. What I was implying is that your premise was the kind of shit that a million and one people can be heard espousing.

Whether or not they copied it or came up with it themselves is neither here nor there, the fact that it's shit is what I object to.

Don't even get me started on "cogito, ergo sum." that shit is three and a half centuries out of date "regurgitatum, ad nauseum" You want to talk geometry then yeah, he did some interesting shit but philosophically he was a fucking primate. Get over it.

Here's where I'm coming from with the seperation aspect. I'm a software engineer (congrats your estimation was about 20-odd years off) I deal with software which is an emergent property of complex semiconductor arrays. My programs use abstracted data modelling techniques which, although entirely dependent on the hardware, have, to all intents and purposes, nothing to do with it in either form, function or design.

To put it another way - DaVinci's Mona Lisa - work of art or a bunch of lightwaves scattering off some dried up organic compounds?

I'm getting kinda bored with you now. You seemed interesting to begin with but really, for someone who portrays themselves as a mastermind intellect you really do seem to have fuck all much to say, aside from regurgitating past its sell by date medieval literature.

Hint: we get pissed off when people regurgitate 60's counterculture literature round these parts. You are a fucking historical pinealist.

Anyway, I'm done with you. Troll away...

Or Kill Me / Re: Your body
« on: February 12, 2009, 10:40:56 am »
If I hear "cartesian duality" one more time I'm going to assrape a puppy :evilmad:

Here's the deal DK - Mind is an emergent property of biology. Congratulations - you got that bit.

Emergent does not mean "FUCKING COMPOSED OF" This is where you're tripping up.

Yes, some mouldy old philosophy dudes refuted some even mouldier, older philosophy dudes positions on the concept of "soul" but, back then they didn't get the concept of emergence.

Fast forward to 2009 and we DO (all except you who seem to think emergence == composed of)

Best way I can describe emergence for the slow reader is using the old faithful - "made out of" expression. Pay particular attention to the "out" part of that, it'll come in handy later on.

Mind, as a property of flesh is about as useful a notion as flesh as a property of molecules. It's a ridiculously limiting model and fails to appreciate the totality and potential of the emergent phenomenon. For that to happen we have to apply duality and seperate the emergent phenomenon from the structure. We take it "OUT".

What the OP did, with the first line was applied a comedic juxtaposition to stick the mind back "in" the "meatbag" (ironically the argument you seem to be making with your "cartesian" gobshite) but, unlike you with your robotic insistence on adherence to canonical Wittgenstein, she did it with a modicum of style.

Unfortunately you saw "carteshun dooality" and immediately thought religion was on the table and then started bitching and whining about the soul. If you knew us, you'd know that very few people (if any) on this board would entertain such a notion in any context but satirical. But, of course, you don't know us. You prefer to make half assed assumptions based on how smart you think you are.

Newsflash - you're not the smartest person on this board (Cain is)

You're probably not even the second smartest. Given that any statement you've made and the citations that follow could have been lifted off wikipedia or a second year philosophy textbook I can only judge you on your interpersonal and communications skills which, to be perfectly honest, would rank you somewhere in the bottom percentile (alongside Payne and Cramulus)  :lulz:

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Intermittens #6
« on: February 12, 2009, 09:50:58 am »
How in the fuck did I miss this?  :argh!:

Damn threadmining turns to tunnel vision  :weary:

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Intermittens #6
« on: February 11, 2009, 09:48:28 pm »
I've found, whilst threadmining - the parable of the sacred bull by enrico

who is responsible for this? Is it kopyleft? Has it been published in anything else?

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Intermittens #6
« on: February 11, 2009, 05:25:10 pm »
p3nt you must use that WORLD > EYE > DOT (you are here) diagram somewhere, cause it's awesome.

also more fonts, free and nicely catalogued for you on

good call! Thanks for reminding me about that one.

also thnx for new fonts site - now I'll be twice as long choosing my typefaces  :weary:

Or Kill Me / Re: It's Simple Really...
« on: February 11, 2009, 04:23:16 pm »

I don't watch much teevee but I like the stuff I do watch. And, especially in the cases of commercials and biased journalism, often not in the spirit intended by the programme makers. I find advertisements fascinating, analysing the effects I can feel from different levels of persuasion. Then there's a sort of holistic view that I can take, a bit like ozzy in the watchmen, skipping through the channels, gauging the overtones of propaganda that permeate the whole thing, in a more general context. Like, right now, everybody is talking about saving moneys. The phrase "credit crunch" which is a much more cereal-sounding one than "recession" will be heard around every 5mins on most topical daytime shows. It's so hot-topic it's replaced "global warming/climate change" as the biggest meme on the box. And I'd be surprised if your average tv casualty would even be aware that oceana is still at war with afghaniraq.

Propaganda Depository / Re: TGRR Podcasts
« on: February 10, 2009, 07:44:16 pm »
Best Yet!


Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: ATTN LMNO: physics(ish) question
« on: February 10, 2009, 04:33:53 pm »
Cheers, that pretty much answers my question. I'm sure if you could build a machine that spat out moar 'lectric than you fed it it'd be front page of the "new scientist" and not some bedroom stunt on youtube.

I think the plan was to use a wheel of magnets and four oscillating poles around them powered by a small battery, when hooked up to a dynamo this produces a bunch of leccy, some of which is used to trickle charge the battery.

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: ATTN LMNO: physics(ish) question
« on: February 09, 2009, 11:09:35 pm »
Have a look HERE

also this page

The main criticisms seem to be from the "perpetual motion" angle which, as I've already mentioned, I'm taken as a given (that it wont)

I am, however intrigued if this thing might be producing energy at anything approaching "zero point" because, if this is the case then I'm guessing I could hook the power supply up to the aforementioned solar/wind source to provide the extra juice.

I realise that I'm probably being totally naive and making some fundamental error here. I got no clue how any of this works. Figured if I ran it by someone who can check the maths or physics or whatever it is then I could either look into developing one or at least get my mate to stfu when he goes on about it.

There's also the whole "cult of tesla" thing that's baffling me at the moment. Mainly because it all just goes over my head but I'm getting the impression he was a nutjob that invented AC then made some fucked up claims in the throes of a breakdown and conspiracy theorists have been lapping it up ever since. That about right or did the guy actually imply something we still don't understand about the properties of electricity and for some reason science has never worked it out?

Devices that pull energy from ambient sources (wind, solar, possibly stray radio communications) shouldn't be considered overunity.  Would you call a wind-chime a perpetual-motion machine?  It kind of is, but not like any seeker would probably admit.

I'm not suggesting those things are perpetual motion - the plan is to "cheat" and use these readily available sources to tip the balance.

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / ATTN LMNO: physics(ish) question
« on: February 09, 2009, 06:52:27 pm »
I have a mate who will pretty much buy into any conspiracy theory you care to mention. I've sold him more than a couple myself. Now he's go a bee in bonnet about something to do with Nikolai Tesla and Overunity. Planning on going "off the grid" with some kind of magnetic induction motor or some shit.

Now (correct me if I'm wrong) the whole idea here seems to be to produce moar power than you're putting in, charging the battery you're powering it with, with the excess power. Impossible right? Smacks of pseudo science. But what I was wondering is - how close to this elusive "perpetual motion" thing have the crackpots got? Because I'm thinking I might have the answer (using non pseudoscience bullshit. Basically what I'm thinking is - if I can get pretty close to the overunity point, using whatever, surely all I have to do is add a couple of wind turbines or solar panels or both in order to beef up the juice.

Anyway I'd appreciate if you could bring me up to speed on this stuff, he's the kind of chap who will spend a bit of money in pursuit of this goal and if I can tag along for the ride and get a working prototype up and running then I save myself a bit of bread on leccy bills.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Why hasn't this been done  :argh!:

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