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Or Kill Me / Re: What is wisdom?
« on: June 07, 2007, 05:11:43 pm »
In response to OP

This is wisdom. Any arguments?

Or Kill Me / Re: Reflections on The Children of Eris
« on: June 07, 2007, 04:47:34 pm »
Nicely written fucker! :mittens:

*edit* Oh, yeah, and get an avatar

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Ego Sickness
« on: June 07, 2007, 03:26:42 pm »

For the "I am" meme, people do lock themselves into these preconceived notions, just as they lock other people into them. Like in those quotes. I'm currently standing by while the relationship of two of my good friends falls apart. Part of the reason it's going all to hell is because of what one of the people identifies as their "I AM" and "NOW I am" versus how they see the other person as "they are." (Did that make sense? I think it did.) Even between two people who have been very close for a very long time, we still run into the trappings of people being stuck in this preconceived "i am/he is/she is" sort of situation without considering the possibility of flux. In my mind, that is the worst part of the "I am" meme: it tends to become incredibly concrete and modifying it can become an impossibly daunting task.

As for group identity vs. individuality--we want to be unique, but we also want to have a place to fit in. Humans are social, herd animals, as it were. So they all collect into their groups and set rules about how to have acceptance/belonging. So people want to make sure that they ascribe to those rules and that "I am [insert group trend here.]"

The "I am NOT" seems to come in more when peope want to differentiate themselves from something negative. Such as "I am NOT a racist/scientologist/pedo/etc!" It's once again group identity, but this time in the negative. You want to make sure no one mistakes you for ONE OF THEM.

The problem with "I am" is that it is so binary and so concrete, as already discussed. Try telling someone "I'm sort of ____" and you'll find that the "sort of" or "sometimes" or what-have-you tends to disappear and you become concretely _____. I do not consider myself aligned with any political party, yet it's impossible to try to have a discussion about politics with anyone without this coming up and the other person insisting on subscribing me to a party. We resort to "am/am not" because it makes things easier to organize and think about. Thus, it must be a simple yes/no binary, and it must be incredibly concrete. By making it constant, it becomes easier to work with.

People should not be constant. Not that constant, not that binary.

Loaded with ugly memes  :lulz:

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Ego Sickness
« on: June 07, 2007, 03:14:49 pm »
Destroy ego!

Very important.

After destruction ego is rebuilt as a vehicle.

Before destruction you are a passenger.

I thought they wrote "King of the Jews"?  Or are we talking about another Essene?

No that would have been if the english had nailed him up. Romans spoke and wrote in latin.

Or Kill Me / Re: a seed that went nowhere
« on: June 07, 2007, 01:15:14 pm »
A self-destructing memetic virus that wiped the mental meme pool clean (by contaminating them with the same "taint") is possibly an interesting idea.

The question of course is how to encode so much information in so little space, make it widely popular and linkable to everything else.

It's basically the hydrogen bomb of paradigm terrorism. And I think it's going to come down to a succession of 'eureka' discoveries in the field of memetics, nlp and common or garden psychology.

I'd love to be the one who made one of these discoveries. Teh icing on the cake would be the one who put the final piece of the jigsaw into place and ended up pressing the 'erase' button but, tbh, I'd settle for just seeing it happen.

It'd have to be a concept which spread rapidly - in this day and age that means email, but had a delayed impact, giving the infectees enough time to pass it on before their brains just shut down.

Something along the lines of a logic conundrum which led to catatonic depression, pvs or just a complete psychotic break.

The interesting time is going to come as neural/silicon interfaces are developed, giving us the ability to directly program the wetware and, at the same time, providing a semantic interface for doing so which, in itself will probably unravel a lot of the mysteries of the mind.


What do you mean INRI?  Its not something I've heard of before.

Teh romans wrote it above the head of some essene fuckhead they nailed to a pole. Dont really mean anything unless you're a specific kind of braindead assmuppet.

Or Kill Me / Re: a seed that went nowhere
« on: June 07, 2007, 12:44:26 pm »
Memes, the way I take the phrase, account for pretty much anything. The word itself is merely a unit of thought currency - a spoon is a meme or 'memeplex' in the case of something so complicated.

Where the internets are concerned a meme is usually an image of some description, coupled with a snappy slogan.

The key to the whole concept of memetics being useful to you is awareness. Awareness of how these units affect your mind.

More and more I'm becoming convinced that the entire mind is just one huge memeplex. If thats the case then potentially you can completely assfuck a human mind with just a few good memes.

I look around at the cabbages in the street and that aint so hard to believe.

My quest is to discover the mother of all memes which, for me, would be one that rendered the majority of the earths population complete vegetables.

Like Monty Python's worlds funniest joke.

Principia Discussion / Re: Hello, I am a Christian Discordian
« on: June 07, 2007, 07:35:58 am »
I worship the Baby Jesus.

If I didn't he'd shoot off my kneecaps.

Bring and Brag / Re: 777
« on: June 06, 2007, 08:17:49 pm »

I see it all as just a pictorial representation of stuff that atoms and molecules can do when subjected to specific circumstances.

This level of detachment may sound callous but the alternative is much worse imo - if you are affected by any kind of image then you are liable to be manipulated by such means. Led by the nose. Terrified with images of bad or tantalised by images of good.

A dead body is just a bunch of meat.

So, you're saying that for you me typing the words "baby rape" is exactly the same thing as posting a picture of it?

In principle yes. In practice no.

We all got our hangups.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: Random News Stories
« on: June 06, 2007, 05:47:54 pm »,,30200-1269281,00.html

HIMEOBS - We are defending yuor sacred old people  :lulz:

Bring and Brag / Re: 777
« on: June 06, 2007, 05:29:49 pm »
Well, here's the question:

If you ran a company, and you knew you could get sued into bankruptcy for sexual harassment, where would you draw the line?

Notice I didn't ask what you think is acceptable, but rather, how much would you want to risk your business.

I'd play it so safe I'd have the wommenz wearing burkas in case they excited the men too much

Bring and Brag / Re: 777
« on: June 06, 2007, 05:16:45 pm »
I know I'm not gonna convince you, but sexual harassment and the casusal degradation of women in the workplace is not only real, but can be devestating to the woman it's directed at.

Like I said, it's obvious I'm not gonna change your mind, I just had to say it.

I've seen it, tbh, but I'm damned if I'll accept that having a nude calendar on the wall is degrading. It can be and, in a great many cases, it probably is but where do you draw the line? Is the Venus de Milo porn? How about a pre raphaelite print, complete with nipples or a David Bailey nude?

K so a playboy centerfold would defo be considered degrading to women, right?

Fuck that shit. I'd say it might be, would depend on who had it hanging on their office wall or who saw it.

Bring and Brag / Re: 777
« on: June 06, 2007, 05:03:49 pm »
Trying to legislate about shit like that tends to lead to utter overkill. Takes away your rights a wafer thin slice at a time.

Comedy took a major stand against 'political correct' for the simple reason that there is no joke, either in existence or theoretically possible, that wont offend some whining fucking idiot.

Judges shouldn't be so fucking lazy - treat shit on a case by case basis like they're paid so much to do.

"He tried to rape me in the stationary cupboard" vs "He had a topless chick as a desktop background and I saw it and felt degraded"

Tits look nice. Looking at them cheers a lot of guys up. Get over it.

Bring and Brag / Re: 777
« on: June 06, 2007, 04:05:52 pm »
it would be considered "sexual harrassment" because you are potentially exposing other employees to things they don't want to see and may be offended by.  It's the same idea as telling a sexually suggestive or "lewd" joke to an employee and them getting offended.  The co-worker doesn't expect to be subjected to that kind of material at their place of employment. 

.. but surely, just like the creationist christian fundies against science, this is the exception rather than the rule right?

right? right?

cause just what Silly says, in general i would be much more offended by stories and/or pictures of torture/violence/etc than collegues discussing lewd jokes, sexual topics (moves/techniques), etc. because that's just natural. well maybe not when you have a meeting with an important client, but that's also not the time to start talking about severed limbs and shit.

are women on the workplace allowed to talk about their menstruation cycle by the way? just wondering. because that's some shit i sometimes seriously don't want to hear, but then again, i respect their freedom to be able to :lol:

an even more direct example is (not really related to workplace ethics), so far i managed to "dull" myself into being able to view goatse, tubgirl, meatspin, lemonparty etc with a neutral point of view, i could easily spend 30 mins photoshopping someone's face in goatse's ass without getting nauseous or anything. it's just people with a disgusting fetish.
on the other hand, there are pictures on that show dead people with half of their heads blown off (the motorcycle.jpg and others), really gets me sick within a few seconds and i have no desire to "dull" myself from it either. there was this one time when i had this great idea for a photoshop collage of some lame joke involving a milka cow and a palestine teenage suicide bomber (dont ask--it's a really lame dutch word joke based on a commercial), so i went on googling for images of palestine teenage suicide bombers .. if you click to the journalist world press photo stuff .. yay real world severed bloody limbs all around! uglyness of war! poor little kids with shrapnel wounds but without family! very quickly i decided this joke was definitely in bad taste, even for me.

I see it all as just a pictorial representation of stuff that atoms and molecules can do when subjected to specific circumstances.

This level of detachment may sound callous but the alternative is much worse imo - if you are affected by any kind of image then you are liable to be manipulated by such means. Led by the nose. Terrified with images of bad or tantalised by images of good.

A dead body is just a bunch of meat.

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