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Or Kill Me / Re: Plus, I Got Religion
« on: March 10, 2009, 03:16:11 pm »

1. I don't get it, why MUST you force other people to follow your logic? Who cares if they aren't "logical"? It's not hurting you.


Well, because he's so much smarter than them, obviously.  Because he doesn't ever believe in anything that defies logic.   :lulz:

TGRR,
Is willing to be the spag even believes that the US "government" exists.

Tempest, I would suggest people who believe burning other people alive for not thinking like them could be pretty dangerous.  Some logical thought from people like that would be nice.

Roger has already beat me to my caveat in making the above statement, however.  Many "logical" "freethinkers" seem only able to apply their logical freethinking to a single topic, namely how wrong all the religioustards are.  Which is essentially like pointing out that water is wet.  Both obvious and easy.  Now, if they applied some critical thinking as to the workings of the economy, or international politics, or the function of the media, or indeed virtually anything else...then I might take the complaint about "zomg irrational people being irrational!" more seriously.  But of course, those topics are hard, and may not be as socially acceptable as atheism (I know this is highly dependent on location, but in the UK for example, atheism barely even raises and eyebrow in most places).

Everyone is irrational about something.  The best you can hope for is education and structuring things so their irrationality does not get too out of hand.

Or, failing that, mockery.

That's because the uk is pretty much proof positive that god doesn't exist. No benevolent deity could possibly abide the existence of this fucking place.  :lulz:

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Or Kill Me / Re: Plus, I Got Religion
« on: March 10, 2009, 01:30:33 pm »
It's complicated, like the reason vaginas become engorged.

new news item -

Discordianism - the real reason vaginas become engorged.

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Or Kill Me / Re: Plus, I Got Religion
« on: March 10, 2009, 12:53:56 pm »
Thanks Jim.

 
Specialist boards are better for specialist interests anyroad. I don't talk much about gran turismo games here, got I got gt planet for that shit. This board is harder to nail down but there is a sorta implicit list of shit that doesn't belong here. You want to test the waters? Fine, post about it and see if it gets you flamed  :lulz:

Pent, not to put too fine a point on it, but this is a special interest board for a religion.  :lulz:

It is?  I thought it was a special interest board designed to strip out assumptive certainties and absolutes from any given belief system.


Shit.  Now what do I do?

Pray. To Eris. For forgiveness and shit.

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Or Kill Me / Re: Plus, I Got Religion
« on: March 10, 2009, 11:47:40 am »
Thanks Jim.

 
Specialist boards are better for specialist interests anyroad. I don't talk much about gran turismo games here, got I got gt planet for that shit. This board is harder to nail down but there is a sorta implicit list of shit that doesn't belong here. You want to test the waters? Fine, post about it and see if it gets you flamed  :lulz:

Pent, not to put too fine a point on it, but this is a special interest board for a religion.  :lulz:

Heh, my bad. I keep forgetting that discordianism is meant to be a religion. I never ever think of it in those terms. 

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Be thankful it wasn't slashfic.  You know some sick fuck would.

Refresh my memory here - fanfic is just ordinary stories and slashfic is ordinary stories with much more emphasis on pulsating genitals?

Terminology confuses me

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: ITT we define god
« on: March 09, 2009, 10:48:18 pm »
I find it interesting how people will discount "spiritual visions" as "hallucination" as if that somehow negates the experience. Like you're telling me that I didn't see this figure or that figure and it didn't say this or that to me? And the "fact" that it was actually a part of my own mind reaching out and projecting this into my consciousness isn't equally impressive?

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: ITT we define god
« on: March 09, 2009, 10:19:18 pm »
God is a hallucination which humans are genetically predisposed towards as an escape route from the brute seriousness of reality.

You believe this?

It's an idea I entertain more often than others.

For the purposes of discussion, let's say I do.

Also, if god is ineffable shouldn't you just STFU about it like Taoists about the Tao?

Because I don't believe in the "brute seriousness of reality". I've seen primates who take it seriously but that makes me laugh so hard I find it really difficult to join in with them.

There is no should and shouldn't in my book, Just what you can get away with. Telling me I shouldn't do something is a surefire way to have no effect on the outcome whatsoever :lulz:

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: ITT we define god
« on: March 09, 2009, 09:50:07 pm »
God is a hallucination which humans are genetically predisposed towards as an escape route from the brute seriousness of reality.

You believe this?

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / ITT we define god
« on: March 09, 2009, 07:59:50 pm »
Nigels fread in Or Kill Me got me thinking - wouldn't it be funny and potentially flamefesty to put our cards on the table and define what we really believe. So I'll set the ball rolling...

"God" to me is a point of view. Verthaine wrote an amazing piece (iirc it made an intermittens) which, essentially boiled down to the fact that human consciousness was an emergent property of the universe. That we, in essence, were the universe looking at itself. That's god to me. God is the point of view you have when you are trully aware of this.

God is what created the ineffable part of my psyche that experiences the whole shooting match from "my" point of view. It's the cumulation of billions of years of big-bang aftermath. Added to that the billions of years of the cumulative effect of the machinery of evolution. Suddenly, and for no good reason, a bunch of self replicating genetic mulch closed it's eyes and marvelled at the sheer awesomeness of it's existence.

God is the staggeringly convoluted and strangled path that led to something, which the law of averages declares is so highly unlikely it's practically impossible, taking place. But it did take place. Ultimately it's one huge big chain of events and, at the point where you join the dots and see yourself in this context, you are face to face with god.

Do I believe in god?

Belief doesn't even enter into it.

and neither does faith.

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ITT we do not diss Alan Moore in any way, shape or form :argh!:

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Build your own tribe
« on: March 09, 2009, 06:54:04 pm »
Interesting.

I can't help thinking this board and others like it might conform to the idea of a "cybertribe"

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Yeah, I can only find a few rather lame cam's so far either.

I may have to be patient and somehow wait for the dvdrip... Or just go and see it :omg:

My local cinema sounds like you have your head underwater. Way too much bass (I suspect the cones are ripped to hell too) and nothing from the mid to top range. Also their projector seems like some kind of digital affair with a really shit refresh, any fast pans turn into trail soup. I spent a lot of fucking cash on my home setup so I'll wait for the dvd rip and, if it's outstandingly good, I might even shell out for a blueray copy.

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Or Kill Me / Re: Plus, I Got Religion
« on: March 09, 2009, 06:43:27 pm »
I disagree with the claim that this board swinging towards the militant atheist side. I think it was actually a bit more hardlined-materialist  when I joined. I think the tone has gotten more permissive since then. I recall wanting to learn more about Kaballah, and mangrove sending me a lot of info via PM which he didn't want to post on the board. He feared he'd have to deal with justifying everything to everyone, and thereby becoming the personal proxy for any vitriol towards Kaballah. Come to think of it, I've had a number of good religious discussions via PM to avoid the cacophony of the board at large.



Which, in a way, is a good thing.

I mean, if there was something I cared about, and wanted to discuss in a serious, personal way, I'm not sure I would post it on any public forum, much less PD.com.  I would find like-minded people and PM, email, or personal chat.  It's too easy to have a conversation derailed.

Specialist boards are better for specialist interests anyroad. I don't talk much about gran turismo games here, got I got gt planet for that shit. This board is harder to nail down but there is a sorta implicit list of shit that doesn't belong here. You want to test the waters? Fine, post about it and see if it gets you flamed  :lulz:

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Or Kill Me / Re: Plus, I Got Religion
« on: March 09, 2009, 06:40:17 pm »
If Cain didn't tear me to shreds every time I espose a naive or downright stupid political opinion or LMNO or Kai didn't jump on my case whenever I subscribe to some ridiculous pseudoscience, I'd definitely get a lot less enjoyment from this place.

The difference in these things is that there are concrete arguments against them based on observation and science, whereas the argument against faith basically boils down to "Nuh-uh, that's stupid".

I agree. Any argument about 'faith' will boil down to "I believe it because I want to". And in the end, that is bullshit (but bullshit makes the flowers grow, and that is beautiful).

However, being able to discuss our 'experiences' in whatever metaphor most usefully describes the experience is not the same thing. So if you say to me, "I have faith in the Native Gods, because some spag in a Teepee told me to." then I would probably have little respect for that (seems like a "My Preacher said" sort of defense. If however, you talked about your personal spiritual experiences, as experienced by you within your neurological system... then I would probably have a great deal of respect for you AND would be very interested in your perception of experience.



THIS!

I made a post years ago about meeting god (the actual guy) on a mushroom trip and nobody flamed me for it. The real put-downs on this board are more levelled at followers vs freethinkers and I think that's something we're very close to consensus on.

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Nothing but bloody cam and ts files out there. I'm dying to see this but not desperate enough to put up with shitty local cinema quality.  :argh!:

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