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Bring and Brag / Re: Mandelthought
« on: July 18, 2008, 03:31:56 pm »
You suck!

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Random News Stories
« on: July 17, 2008, 01:17:11 pm »

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: A thought on a few core ideas.
« on: July 17, 2008, 01:02:03 pm »
The inputs are the same.  The only chance they have for differentiation is to either change the inputs, or hope they get some decent personal ones, from family and close friends.

In either event the input changes will work more reliably on younger systems.

I demand you make a post in the introductions fread, this instant!  :argh!:

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: The Origin of the Universe
« on: July 17, 2008, 12:47:34 pm »
heh, so that's what she told you?  :evil:

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Can't help thinking those things are more a result of faulty hardware than actual personality traits.

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And it's only a prison in that it is inescapable.  But there is so much territory within the prison, that it is an incarceration that offers up a fuck-ton of freedom of movement. 

Prisons aren't the only things that you can't (or shouldn't) escape from , though.

If I want to experience the awesome ride of a rollercoaster, I will be in an inescapable car, with a heavy bar pressing down on me, locking me in place. Is that a prison, or simply the necessary interface required to experience the ride?

If I want to experiencing flying, I could go up in an airplane, no escape, no control... but a safe ride over a long distance, is it a prison, or a tool? If that's too constraining, perhaps I'll go hang gliding, still a constraint, still inescapable (if you want to survive), but with more control and more freedom, but less capabilities (like flying cross country). Or, if I really want to fly, maybe I'll get into one of those cool new gliding suits with the wings under the armpits. I'm still trapped in the suit, if you want to think of it as a trap. I'm still not able to escape the confines of everything and truly be free to fly...

but, I, personally, wouldn't consider it a Prison.

We have only our neurological system with which to experience Reality. Its a shoddy patchwork of neurons and nerves, with an often confused computer trying to justify beliefs and rationalize what it sees with what it thinks it should see. That might be a prison, it certianly can become a prison for many people, and perhaps everyone has that prison, for at least part of their life. However, the alternative to this experience of Reality through a imperfect and limiting interface is, as far as I know, no experiencing at all.

In contrast, I personally, wouldn't consider it a Prison.


Agree! The metaphor works up to a point - the average joe is trapped by it and thus will experience a prison. However, once you realise what's going on you are still bound by the constraints but it's somehow not a prison anymore.

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Also, we should probably remember that we're playing a rather elaborate mindfuck with ourselves by talking about "good" Shrapnel. This isn't necessarily a good or bad thing, just an observation.

:mittens:

Bit like karma in that respect - no good and bad, just shrapnel

I would like to state for the record, my firm belief that there is NO personality until the memes kick in. Don't believe me? Check out a newborn baby, maybe a week old or less, show me some personality traits that define it's character. Babies are pretty much just a clean slate on which the memeplex that becomes the person is scribbled. Once this starts it becomes self refining to a point but until you start giving a baby input it's nothing and it will grow up to be nothing until it gets input.

Dunno... it seems to me that some aspects of personality might be genetic...

example?

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Why do the scars have to be the ideas you have disagreed with? 

Why not just the ones you learned from? 

Does that also mean that scars can disappear with age and knowledge?  What I once disagreed with vehemently as a 20 something makes a lot of sense as a 40 something?  So does that make me boring because some of my scars have faded away?



LOL - excellent point. I suppose this opens a whole can of worms, along the lines of scabs and not healing due to the picking thereof  :lulz:

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: The Origin of the Universe
« on: July 16, 2008, 03:50:55 pm »
Quantum theory: The process of making bold, outlandish and controversial metaphoric statements which make really boring mathematical equations sound much more interesting to members of the opposite sex.

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Maybe there is no territory. Maybe it's just maps all the way down  :eek:

Frightening isn't it? Like standing on the edge of a precipice.

I'd say more 'liberating'

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Also, we should probably remember that we're playing a rather elaborate mindfuck with ourselves by talking about "good" Shrapnel. This isn't necessarily a good or bad thing, just an observation.

:mittens:

Bit like karma in that respect - no good and bad, just shrapnel

I would like to state for the record, my firm belief that there is NO personality until the memes kick in. Don't believe me? Check out a newborn baby, maybe a week old or less, show me some personality traits that define it's character. Babies are pretty much just a clean slate on which the memeplex that becomes the person is scribbled. Once this starts it becomes self refining to a point but until you start giving a baby input it's nothing and it will grow up to be nothing until it gets input.

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Maybe there is no territory. Maybe it's just maps all the way down  :eek:

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Was thinking more along the lines of - scars are what's left when a wound has healed. Scars are the memory of the damage the shrapnel made.

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Or Kill Me / Re: the ultimate hipocrisy in a post (an apt 5oth)
« on: July 16, 2008, 03:00:47 pm »
this "one truth" that we've found is that there is no spoon?


Then what did I stab the waiter with?

I believe that was a chainsaw.

*hint* Most spoons don't come with a hole to put the gas in

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / New Shrapnel extension meme - Scars
« on: July 16, 2008, 02:25:41 pm »
Shrapnel, when removed, leaves scars.

Without the shrapnel there are no scars.

Without either shrapnel or scars there is no personality.

I prefer the company of people who's personality consists mainly of scars than those who seem predominantly composed of shrapnel.

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