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Please tell me you guys aren't telling me they took out the bit about the dogs? :x

Or Kill Me / Re: Death for art is sick
« on: March 14, 2009, 08:36:36 pm »
Art is a subjective reaction. The critics can piss around and try to make out it isn't but art is an effect which something has on you. It might have the same effect on someone else but it's just as likely to have the complete opposite on someone else or even no effect whatsoever.

Art is like beauty - in the eye of the beholder.

Or Kill Me / Re: Plus, I Got Religion
« on: March 14, 2009, 08:33:16 pm »
validity (in the math/logic sense) and the real word have *nothing* to do with each other.

It's true.

What on earth are you talking about? I'm saying if math doesn't apply to the real world than that statement wouldn't be valid.

Keep up with the conversation here.

Hm. Not what was implied, my good sir.

Your analogy calls for a real-world analysis of "two apples".
Two apples are REAL things. Not numbers.
TWO is a number. "TWO APPLES" is a thing.

.'. Different rules.

I already covered this by adding 2 white mice to 2 monitor lizards.

Just sayin

« on: March 14, 2009, 07:49:16 pm »
I don't agree with her views.  I also don't agree with the level of harassment she was subjected to, which I thought was obvious since I've mentioned other people suffering for this sort of thing before.

However, I have to note, the Weekly Standard was one of the publications which went out of their way to castigate their political enemies and create the sort of intellectual and social climate where the Freikorps wouldn't feel out of place in.  To quote pre-insanity Hitchens again, they went out of their way to "create a hooligan atmosphere" where they could "bully and blackmail the opposition and accuse it of treachery and sympathy for the other side" and this filtered down into the wider political culture as playing dirty and winning no matter the cost - by direct harassment and threats against those they disagreed with (see the Adam Yoshida theory of righwing commentary for a fuller understanding of how this works).

So while it was wrong, I've also got to note its very much a case of reaping what has been sown.  Unfortunately, bad actions replicated by both sides in an argument don't tend to lead to realization of one's own hideous techniques, but only make one more trenchent in your own position and belief of personal righteousness.  And one side doing it does make the other think "well, two can play this game".  Its either lying down and letting them get away with it, or escalating in return.

I don't know what the solution is.

My solution is the same as it usually is -


Or Kill Me / Re: Plus, I Got Religion
« on: March 14, 2009, 07:44:26 pm »

It seems to me that, like many Westerners, your idea of "religion" is based on the Judeo-Christian model, and so your assumptions about religion revolve around it.

Can't be avoided really it's how I was programmed. That said I've never seen any mainstream religion that didn't seem to have devolved into the same "just drink the fucking koolaid and don't ask questions" mentality that I enjoy poking fun at.

I do have a personal vendetta against born-again flavoured christianity, resulting from the time some of the crazy fucks attempted to brainwash me when I was about 12 but for the rest of the religious establishment I simply deride them because I can and they're ridiculous. IMO cheap laughs aren't any less funny than expensive ones.

Or Kill Me / Re: A dedicated follower of strife
« on: March 14, 2009, 07:34:45 pm »
Sounds like you would be all shits and giggles then if someone came and strifed you out of a job, a place to live, then strifed all over your face.

It's happened before and theres every chance it'll happen again. Shit fills me with the fear. Then it happens and I come alive or die trying. Losing all the bullshit you've convinced yourself you need is sometimes the only way to wake the fuck up.

Been meaning to ask - how does the cat look in the movie?

it's the one character I don't think I've seen any pics of

There is only a brief appearance, near the end, but it looked alright, from what I remembered. 

A brief appearance near the end, WTF??

Next you'll be telling me Rorschach doesn't get any dialogue  :argh!:

« on: March 14, 2009, 05:13:57 pm »
If you believe marriage is some ancient traditional deal between a man and a woman of opposite sexes then, IMO, you're perfectly entitled to think gay marriage is out of line without, necessarily, being against gay people. It may be the case that you are against gay people but it doesn't logically follow.

Of course a campaigner isn't going to see it that way - if you are in favour of prop 8 you are a homophobic queer hater and this will probably be seen by the more militant anti-8 contingent as license to assault.

Publishing a list of these "homophobic queer haters" will make a violent assault against them more likely to happen.

People may well get beaten the shit out of over something as arbitrarily stupid as promising to live with someone for ever.

SNAFU  :lulz:

Or Kill Me / Re: Death for art is sick
« on: March 14, 2009, 05:03:06 pm »
Art is subjective.

If you think a pile of rotting corpses looks pretty then it's art.

« on: March 14, 2009, 04:58:15 pm »
I'm opposed to all forms of marriage. This way I get top piss of gays and heterosexuals.

F'kin sick perverts the lot of them :argh!:

Been meaning to ask - how does the cat look in the movie?

it's the one character I don't think I've seen any pics of

I always figured he fucked Bubastis

Or Kill Me / A dedicated follower of strife
« on: March 14, 2009, 02:46:31 pm »
Iptuous surprised me the other day. "I think that's the first optimistic thing I've seen you post!" he said. Caught me right out of leftfield, I'm optimistic to a fault. So I had a think about  how anyone could possibly draw that conclusion and, of course, the answer was staring me straight in the face - most people don't like strife. It's that simple. I talk about the prospect of society falling apart and devolving into a free-for-all carnage fest and, naturally, to most normal people this would be pessimism.

Not for me. I'm hoping and praying it actually happens and I'm too optimistic to allow myself to entertain the horrible notion that we, as a race, might pull ourselves back from the brink. The truth is that by most rational definitions I'm a very bad person because I like strife. Hell, I fucking worship it. Happy ever after isn't an ending in my book, it's an ideal place to hold a war. I can't look at a pastoral landscape without imagining how much of an improvement it would be if there was a mugging going on.

Without strife in the world I would run out of shit to hate. My middle finger would atrophy from lack of exercise. Don't get me wrong, I like being happy and contented as much as the next guy but only in moderation. Couple of days of peace and quiet is more than enough for me and then I gotta go find something to blow up or someone to set on fire. The human race is primarily composed of ignorant monkeys, who are hell bent on killing each other. I don't see this changing any time soon. In case you missed it, that was me being optimistic.


Or Kill Me / Re: Plus, I Got Religion
« on: March 14, 2009, 10:32:40 am »
You, of all people, are a proponent of sanity?

Yes. And, unlike a lot of people, I have the experience of both sides of the fence. Ironically, during one of my "episodes" I got religion big-time. Through the process of recovery I gained a bit of insight on how the religion meme had affected me. It'd always been there, conditioning from early childhood, through education and various other propaganda streams but it was relatively benign. Insanity made it malignant, rapidly growing through my psyche like some kind of fucking uncontrollable logic tumour.

Since then I've revised my opinion that a little bit of religion isn't a dangerous thing. It's a highly irrational meme who's fundamental instrument is a surrender of will and it's like a little ticking timebomb. Maybe it will never blow up but one day it might and god will tell you to do something, potentially terrible, and you will be compelled to carry out his word. Why invite something like that into your head if you can possibly avoid it?

Or Kill Me / Re: Plus, I Got Religion
« on: March 13, 2009, 07:14:46 pm »
That depends on whether you lean towards the "compassion" side, or the "certainty of conviction" side.

I lean toward the less mentally ill side. Institutional religion being a sort of viral form of schizophrenia.

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