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Depends what comes first. Probably a blended approach. If I can increase my telomeres or whatever it is that biology needs to do then good and well but if they can just hack off my legs and plug some carbon fibre replacements into the stumps then my interest in athletes foot preparations will drop sharply.

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Is a humanoid shape the optimum way to lift things or kill things?

I very much doubt it. My stake in this is purely upgrading myself, based on the existing primate/biped model. Run faster, jump higher, think better. Humanoid is merely what I'm used to, so it'd make sense to stick with that shape, at least to begin with. The best shape for a supermarket checkout operator is checkout shape. The best shape for a robot sniper is a quadcopter with a rifle. Functional robotics is about thinking outside the box. Humanoid robots is a vanity exercise

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I apply the same logic to inventing conscious machines. "AGI" as they're calling it. I'm like human cognition is solved.

What?

I can't have read that right.

We're it?

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Pretty much yea. My logic is, that since there seems to be a gap between human and robotic bipedal movements at least for the moment, will it be simpler to just jam a bunch of cyborg electronics into the human body(which is technically a machine that already knows how to run and jump and navigate through physical environments on its own) than to slog through however many years it'll take for bipedal robots like Asimo to surpass humans physically. After all, i remember reading an article about a man in France who has already become the worlds first living cyborg (he has a robotic eye which is also a functioning camera) and is already capable of going around and conducting his own affairs, whereas most bipedal robots have trouble navigating through uncontrolled environments. Our evolution has already created a machine that can walk around and survive just about every biome on earth, why not just upgrade it instead of reinventing the wheel?

I apply the same logic to inventing conscious machines. "AGI" as they're calling it. I'm like human cognition is solved. Invent a motherboard and some expansion peripherals and you got superintelligence. Think about the fact that we've been an incomprehensible level of advanced to the civilisation before written language was invented in terms of storage capacity and ease of access to information for thousands of years now.

Human brain is strong as fuck in a lot of areas but deficient as fuck in many others. Machines are strong as fuck in many of these other areas but deficient as fuck, for the most part, in the bits the meatware covers well. My best guess is (talking about decades away, mature technology here, not the shit that's coming out the next couple of years) that an average person, with full ar, and closely mentally linked to massive cloud-based AI, would be capable of outhinking and mentally outperforming you in any broadly mental task, to the same degree the smartest genius alive today could in one or two narrow fields.

So back to cybernetics. Yeah - I totally get how having all the autonomic stuff coded for without the infinitely more complex task of creating an autonomous pilot to drive it will mean that we'll be the ideal control module for humanoid robotic vehicles. Human beings are fucking amazing at driving bipedal ape-based robots about the planet. It'll take a fair while til asimo is doing parkour.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Obama's finally getting his "fuck you" on
« on: January 27, 2015, 11:51:45 am »
Last I heard Google had a pretty significant stakeholder interest in US Govt. I'm guessing after a few years of idealistic bullshit they've finally bitten the bullet and adopted an - if you can't beat 'em, own 'em - approach.

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: Microsoft enters the AR space
« on: January 26, 2015, 09:47:09 pm »
The main problem is, music in your brain isn't physical sound. The only way that would work is to invent a neuron reader.

It seems to be mainly a problem with resolution and neural net density. Presumably those are going to increase over time. The neural nets themselves, I'd put money on. Bloody rapidly if the history of transistors on silicon is anything to go by. FuckifIknow with the brain scanners but it wouldn't surprise me. Maybe some

So once we have the tech in place, we scan at max resoution, umpteen images per second. So you play a known note or sound and then you tell the trainer guy to imagine it just so. Then spit the scanner output in the markov and crosslink the sound/note/tune with the scan.

Eventually you're catching notes and waveforms, then whole sequences of those, then it'll be polyphonic, multi tibral, symphonic... Remember the Moog? First stage - mental Stylophonetm Did you have those in the states?

It'd get interesting when you were applying enough horsepower

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: Microsoft enters the AR space
« on: January 26, 2015, 05:09:28 pm »
Just had a thought regarding this subvocalization malarkey. If you take understanding spoken language as a baseline, how far up or down is the fidelity required to grab music I play in my head?

I quite often invent whole bloody symphonies in my mind's ear but lack the dedication to figure out how to write it down in music language and then turn it into out loud shit. Only I get to listen to it. Would be the crown king of epic if I could just record the shit as it happened. Use it as backing tracks for kayaking vids.

Musicians and composers, spitting bullets about how it's just not cricket in 3... 2... 1...  :evil:

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: Microsoft enters the AR space
« on: January 24, 2015, 11:29:43 am »
That application sounds like fun, but I'm still waiting for the technology that translates subvocalizations to readable text so that we can have functional telepathy. Phone texting approaches it, but isn't quite there.

Sounds like voodoo to me. Last I heard they were still working on vocal-vocalizations. The last couple of years have covered a lot of ground on that front but there's still a ways to go in understanding context and following conversational threads. Are you talking about some research you know or is the subvocalization thing still strictly scifi?

http://www.researchgate.net/publication/261272927_Signal_processing_advances_for_the_MUTE_sEMG-based_silent_speech_recognition_system

NASA was working on something too, but I have no idea what happened with that.

Awesome! That would certainly be a game changer. I'm not currently paying much attention to BCI stuff, atm. The last I heard there was some kind of implantable chip but there were problems with the neural connections degrading (scarring?) over time. Non-invasive would definitely seem to be the way to go in the short term.

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: Microsoft enters the AR space
« on: January 23, 2015, 11:06:55 pm »
AR's been around for donkeys but the wearable display is the quantum leap. Not having to reach into your pocket and tap a screen to access your computation will make it seamless. No line of demarcation between meatspace and cyberspace, they'll essentially be the same thing from this point forward.

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The Richard Nixon school of ballet and the arts / Re: Explaining eris
« on: January 23, 2015, 10:41:44 am »
What the actual fuck is this thread? :roll:

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: Microsoft enters the AR space
« on: January 23, 2015, 09:52:09 am »
That application sounds like fun, but I'm still waiting for the technology that translates subvocalizations to readable text so that we can have functional telepathy. Phone texting approaches it, but isn't quite there.

Sounds like voodoo to me. Last I heard they were still working on vocal-vocalizations. The last couple of years have covered a lot of ground on that front but there's still a ways to go in understanding context and following conversational threads. Are you talking about some research you know or is the subvocalization thing still strictly scifi?

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I had to get that out of my head.


Sometimes a problem shared is a problem multiplied :argh!:

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: "Stupid wingnut says something stupid" thread
« on: January 22, 2015, 12:03:29 pm »
We mass produce terrorists, globally by setting up near perfect incubator conditions and then act all shocked cos terrorism, resulting in enacting "combative" measures which specifically act as accelerators, nitro boost for your global terrorism production apparatus.

Given that this terrorism generation effort is more effective than any other measure I could envisage, either our collective agenda is to replace every man woman and child on earth with either a terrorist or a smoldering corpse put there by a terrorist or else the powers that be really are dumber than a sack of particularly intellectually challenged shit.

I'm not sure which explanation I find more horrifying  :eek:

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Techmology and Scientism / Microsoft enters the AR space
« on: January 22, 2015, 09:20:19 am »
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/hands-on-with-hololens-making-the-virtual-real/

Truth be told I'm much more interested in AR than VR. Whilst VR will be cool for gaming and entertainment, AR has the potential to be a genuine cognitive upgrade, integrating our meatware with cloud AI much more tightly than screens and keyboard allow.

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Literate Chaotic / Singularity/Uploading Brony fashion
« on: January 21, 2015, 09:37:13 pm »
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“Out in the physical world, you lived in a lawful universe of subatomic particles and nothing else. You were built by an optimization process called evolution that only cared about reproductive fitness and didn’t care about what you wanted. The universe did not care about your continued existence, your happiness or your satisfaction. In that uncaring universe, your thoughts formed deterministically as photon hit eye which caused neuron to carry charge to other neuron.
“But now,” she said, standing tall and regal, “You live in a universe in which the rules care about your satisfaction.

I'm hating myself for enjoying this but it has a "Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom" vibe to it, only with fucking Ponies. A hilarious take on paper clip optimisers, only with a more benign, human-centric goal set. Mostly involving friendship and ponies  :lulz:

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