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Aneristic Illusions / Re: So, RWHN, it appears your predictions of doom are contradicted

« on: May 12, 2013, 08:31:27 pm »

Somebody ordered a golden apple?  Many reasons why marijuana shouldn't be legalized, which also addresses the issue of increased social costs for legal drugs.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/ondcp/Fact_Sheets/marijuana_legalization_fact_sheet_3-3-11.pdf

Please note that this document is cited and referenced.

Oh look, the pope just announced that Jesus is real

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: So, RWHN, it appears your predictions of doom are contradicted

« on: May 12, 2013, 08:26:00 pm »

Did I miss anything?

ITS ILLEGAL!!!

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Apple Zone / Re: Techno Viking Lawsuit!

« on: May 12, 2013, 08:23:38 pm »

So, if some celebrity were to release a picture, or, say, a 3D laser scan of themselves into the public domain, with the general instructions to, basically, do as thou wilt, and you start selling stuff on Etsy using their image, and then either they, or their company decide they don't like what you're doing...




Then what?

So, what if there is an angry unicorn on the dark side of the moon, and astronauts disturb it, and it files a complaint with NASA, and NASA doesn't care for it...



Then what?

Let's sell pictures of it and find out 

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: So, RWHN, it appears your predictions of doom are contradicted

« on: May 12, 2013, 08:11:15 pm »

This one time a kid fell off a halfpipe and broke his neck. Ban skateboaring.

This one time a kid drowned. Ban swimming.

This one time a kid got run over. Ban cars.

This one time this kid shot a classmate. Ban heavy metal.

This one time a kid got fat. Ban food.

This one time a kid got high and didn't like it. Ban weed.

This one time a kid got beat up by their teacher. Ban education.

Did I miss anything?

And, yeah, give us something that resembles a fact, dude. Protip: facts have something called "evidence" to back them up

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: So, RWHN, it appears your predictions of doom are contradicted

« on: May 12, 2013, 03:23:35 pm »

Where do we sign up for Alty's nuts' bucket list tour?

Way too busy getting baked and posting ITT to even consider that question

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: So, RWHN, it appears your predictions of doom are contradicted

« on: May 12, 2013, 03:21:13 pm »

Hey I think it's batshit but it was your idea 

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: So, RWHN, it appears your predictions of doom are contradicted

« on: May 12, 2013, 12:59:49 pm »

No, it isn't.  I've had many conversations with people IRL over the years on this topic and they have generally been very congenial and productive conversations, in the sense that not so much either side changes their mind, but their is honest consideration for the other viewpoint.  Most people I've talked to don't go into the "You're only protecting your job!" nonsense, for example.


Why?  Because while they may not agree with me, they are smart enough to understand my job and that it is my mission, to prevent youth substance abuse, that fuels what I do.  They are also smart enough to grasp the very obvious concept that there is no connection between my funding and the outcomes of a bill to legalize marijuana. You guys are full-throttle conspiracy theory.


You guys seem to buy wholecloth a lot of the internet mythology around marijuana and "The Man!", which is rather sad given what this site used to be about.

Youth substance abuse prevention - laudible, I wholeheartedly agree.

Prohibition - the pinnacle of retarded. Anyone who supports prohibition of anything is instantly relegated to my "dead from the neck up" category

You are arguing for the latter, supposedly to help with the former.

You support the ultimate evil in the name of a good cause.

The rightness of the goal does not negate the wrongness of your solution.

Why take it out on drugs? surely prohibition of children would have a much more positive impact on the number of underage users alongside a whole host of other benefits such as teen pregnancy and delinquency and a whole host of other things.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: So, RWHN, it appears your predictions of doom are contradicted

« on: May 12, 2013, 11:40:30 am »

Nope.  It is the cost of substance abuse, which includes marijuana.  Those costs will still be there, and increase if/when it is legalized.


And I'm not too concerend about being "discredited" amongst half a dozen internet users who seem to be of the same rhteorical calibre as the people who comment on online newspaper articles.  It's the same tripe I hear from the NORML and High Times crowds.

It's the same tripe you'll hear from anyone who's anti-prohibition or "The majority of the population of planet earth" as we like to call ourselves.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: So, RWHN, it appears your predictions of doom are contradicted

« on: May 12, 2013, 11:29:31 am »

It IS chump change and is outweighed by the social costs.  It's not worth it.  The people were hoodwinked.

Read my lips - there is NO social cost.

Wrong.  The costs to society are immense.  For all of substance abuse the annual costs to my state are over $1.4 Billion.  Marijuana contributes to those costs through costs for treatment, crime, medical, morbidity, lost productivity, and so on. 


You are flatly wrong when you say the above and pretty much discredits anything else you have to say on the matter.

That's not the cost of pot you complete ignornant fuckhead. 1.4 billion is the COST OF PROHIBITION. But yay for you, that's not set to change any time soon.

BTW - every single syllable you've typed in these threads has completely discredited anything you have to say on the matter so at least now I've caught up. 

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: So, RWHN, it appears your predictions of doom are contradicted

« on: May 12, 2013, 10:26:59 am »

It IS chump change and is outweighed by the social costs.  It's not worth it.  The people were hoodwinked.

Read my lips - there is NO social cost. Yes, I know, you disagree because this one time one of your friends got addicted to pot and you have a whole bunch of studies and reports from fellow imbeciles who all think it's possible to see into the future using statistical analyses of the past but the fact is you have no fucking idea and that makes you wrong by default.

Some kids will get strung out on drugs. A tiny percentage. chump change, if you like. This is not a legitimate reason for prohibition.

Arguing not to end prohibition IS arguing FOR prohibition.

Your "logic" can equally be applied to prohibition of Alcohol, tobacco and sexual intercourse ANY of which harms more children in a week than pot does in a century. Therefore your priority MUST be to fight for the prohibition of drink, smokes and reproduction, given that pot is already illegal and, by your own admission, isn't likely to be legal any time soon.

Face it, mate, you're a fucking idiot. That's not intended as an insult. What I mean is you actually are a genuine, honest to god, fucking imbecile. You should get help. Find an organisation who can help you with simple things like going poo-poo and feeding yourself and leave complicated stuff like running countries to people with a basic grasp of reality.

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Apple Zone / Re: Spagbook

« on: May 11, 2013, 06:36:25 am »

Enki doesn't show up on camera. The light bouncing off him is so pedantic that the lense eventually just gives up trying to meet his exacting criteria and makes something up that roughly approximates it's frustration.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: So, RWHN, it appears your predictions of doom are contradicted

« on: May 10, 2013, 09:01:44 pm »

Except when kids become collateral damage as a result of a regime of prohibition enforced by incarceration.

Then RWHN is a true believer in the ends justifying the means.

Yeah. It's okay if it's done in the name of truth an justice and the american dream but if it's in the name of freedom, it's dangerous.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: So, RWHN, it appears your predictions of doom are contradicted

« on: May 10, 2013, 08:26:34 pm »

Kids are never, and should never be, "acceptable collateral damage".  I personally believe that to be a particularily heinous line of thought.

Welcome to the real world. Some kids jump off bridges. Sure be there to catch them or stop them if you can but restricting the freedom of everyone is not the way to do it.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: So, RWHN, it appears your predictions of doom are contradicted

« on: May 10, 2013, 08:07:48 pm »

Any problems I've had with pot have been a direct result of prohibition and not the pot itself.

Problems with being ripped off. Deals gone south. Deals going walkabout. Shit quality product because competition is by baseball bat and sawn-off rather than consumer driven.

You want to try pot - that's where it comes from. Not where it would come from if prohibition were not in effect, no, this is strictly prohibition's doing. Prohibition funds crime, by the same logic which the pot is blamed.

Fact 1: statistically speaking, one of your kids will likely get drunk before they're old enough to do so.

Fact 2: statistically speaking, they'll probably get stoned too.

Fact 3: statistically speaking, they'll probably grow up and live happily ever after

Fact 4: statistically speaking, they may well continue to drink and/or smoke pot, periodically, with no ill effects on their wellbeing

Given that these are facts. You'd rather they were getting close to dangerous criminals in their pursuit of what most normal kids pursue?

Most kids get their marijuana, alcohol, and tobacco from social sources.  People they know.  This 80's mentality that kids are still going to the guy on the corner in a trenchcoat to get their weed is bullshit.  They are hitting up the kid five lockers down at recess, or meeting them on the playground after school. 


And you know what, that element will still ve there if you tax and regulate.  If you tax and regulate, the criminal element will still be there, producing product and pricing conduct to undercut the price on the regulated product.


Legalization doesn't make the criminal element go away, it just makes them adjust their marketing and price structure. 

Yeah, that's right, you've already imparted on us the parable of the magic pot making locker, three rows down. Problem is that's not how it works. Eventually there's a kid buying off a shady guy on a street corner, only this kid is carrying enough to supply all his schoolmates. He's carrying enough to go to juvie. Don't argue - I know this guy exists. I was him. So your plan is to hang this one out to dry.

Acceptable collateral damage, yeah?

In my book, the .001% or whatever of casual users who get "all fucked up on drugs" and the devil steals their IQ points, they are acceptable collateral damage.

My guess is we're talking about the same number of kids

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: So, RWHN, it appears your predictions of doom are contradicted

« on: May 10, 2013, 07:45:07 pm »

Slaves that tried to be free people were knowingly breaking laws and should accept their punishment.

False equivalence all day long.

Not really, because you made a similar statement a few pages back that again implied that the law's the law and that any suffering they got was their own fault, because, THE LAW'S THE LAW.

The Law's the law, best to just suck it up! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws

False equivalence because the ability to smoke marijuana without consequence doesn't come close to comparing with the ability to be a free individual.

It's exactly the same thing