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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Misinfo Wars
« on: November 17, 2016, 07:06:02 pm »
Have you, by any chance, read The Human Use of Human Beings by Norbert Wiener?

Interesting question. I'm sure there's a reason for it.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: Misinfo Wars
« on: November 17, 2016, 06:51:24 pm »
Bad signal has always existed. I'd argue today there's less on a lot of subjects. Earth used to be flat, according to the official line. Giant bearded people threw lighting at you from a mountaintop in the clouds. Shit appears, to me at least, to have swung a lot more rational as time progresses. As a general trend, maybe punctuated by the adoption of dumb ideas here and there. Sacrificing virgins to the harvest lizard. Being a nazi. Wearing bell bottoms. Our species currently gets a lot more shit carried out a lot more effectively than it did when it was scrambling about in mud trying to invent fire.

There's bad signal and there's good signal. Even that shit seems, for the most part, to be entirely subjective with a side order of group consensus. I've been looking for absolute truth all my life and I still aint found anything convincing. Pick apart every statement looking for falsehoods. It's always there, a loophole, hidden in the qualifiers, backed up by the assumptions. Reality, any reality, is an opinion widely held. sure, in a metaphysical sense, there's something there (or there seems to be) and whatever the fuck it's all about, it receives our inputs and dishes out it's responses in an apparently consistent manner. We can describe this manner and it makes us all smug cos we got the answers but anything beyond that is arguable.

I like the memesphere as it is, tbh. Millions upon billions of opinions and theories and rational argument and appeals to logical fallacy and insane drivel, all flying around in the swarm of reality, looking for a host. Looking to reproduce. A Darwinesque selection process at work. They breed, they mutate, they form the broader perspective of reality, always shifting and swirling as competing stains collide. They compete in meatspace, using us a proxies. Sometimes bad ideas get killed by good ones and the individual or even the whole human race progresses a step. Other times a bad idea takes hold and shit gets fucked for a while. Maybe one day we'll have a winner. The reality tunnel to end all reality tunnels. Maybe not. Certainly some are more effective than others and I'd value the effectiveness of a meme over it's claims to truth any day of the week.

Beyond the wall / Re: PICS VIII: 10% LARGER THAN PICS VII
« on: November 16, 2016, 05:40:30 pm »

This is utterly glorious.

There's other similar shit on his deviantart. Obama on a raptor or something like that. Came across him on a surf the other day.

I actually like Boris. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a cunt and I'd prolly throw him a housebrick if he was drowning and brag about it after. I just mean he's an entertaining fuck with it. Given that your choices are pretty much all wankers, I prefer the entertaining wankers over the dull, pedantic fucks.

Aye, that's exactly what I'm talking about. To the best of my knowledge I've never heard him say anything that communicated actual information.

If you honestly think it's possible for the POTUS to launch a nuke, you're way too caught up in the whole dog and pony show. If and when the nukes go off it'll be because some script kiddie from lulzsec gets butthurt over a flame war or else some early warning system glitches and shows icbms inbound from russia :lulz:

I don't follow the political soap opera closely enough to even know who the fuck pence is but trump as a front man comes across as a stammering fuckhead who can't seem to follow a train of thought for more than two or three words of a sentence. Then there's that tape-loop thing he does where he just keeps repeating the same non-sequitur until everyone gets fed up listening and claps. :lulz:

I'm reminded of the stories of Cesar appointing a horse as consul. Yeah, I know that never actually happened but with Trump? Shit, man, all bets are off. I feel a bit bad that America is about to sink like a led zep and probably take most of western civilisation with it but, lets face it, that was always going to happen anyway. At least with Trump, it'll be funny as fuck.

Apocalypse aside the next 4 years of presidential soundbites are going to be hilarious on a scale the Dubya presidency could only dream of. Dude aint a bit slow like Bush was, he's like stroke-damage retarded  :lulz:

"I respect that you either agree with a sexist, racist president, or at the very least don't care that he is, or what that means for minorities."

I'm not sure that's right.

I think there's a difference between treating an individual respectfully and actually respecting their ideas.
See: the remarkable turnaround of all the other world leaders since Trump won. They went from full on attack mode to "Oh yeah we can definitely get along." They probably don't think he was the best option but treating him like the asshole that he is is probably only going to make things worse.

edit: I do agree with you that racism and sexism is a problem and it's probably going to get worse. I am not defending the Trumpster or implying that people should ignore/encourage hateful behaviour when they see it.

I think that for an awful lot of people, part of the way they define "treating them with respect" is actually ignoring hateful behavior from them when you see it. The #1 thing I have seen them get upset about is having racism and misogyny respectfully pointed out. They flip out, insist that they are not "a racist", and accuse you of calling them a monster.

Smart player will choose their battles. You can either call out a racist which will generally accomplish nothing, probably even get them to dig in deeper or you can buy them a tasty curry and let the cognitive dissonance percolate. Sure it's a long game and it's frustrating but the only surefire quick way I know to change someone's mind involves stamping on their skull.

Beyond the wall / Re: PICS VIII: 10% LARGER THAN PICS VII
« on: November 10, 2016, 10:47:17 am »
Richard Nixon fighting a Saber Tooth Tiger  :eek:

Enjoy the clean smog coming your way from all the clean coal you'll be mining.

News interviews hilarious so far. Hey Cain, I assume you're hitting the whiskey but when you sober up, how much extra sway do you think this will give the right wings in Europe? I have a horrible feeling it's more than I'm thinking.

Im thinking the right wing in Europe is gaining power for the same reason it is in America. Because it actually tries to understand people and relate to them and persuade them to its cause. While the left lectures them like misbehaving school children from a position of moral authority they barely had to being with, and that they have spent the past decade or so completely destroying while, again, lecturing people like school children for not recognizing it.

Pandering and playing to the crowd is not the same as understanding and relating.

Maybe not in principle but it gets the job done just the same.

Well, on the plus side, PD has a reason to exist again.   :lulz:

Trump: Making PD great again.

We're gonna build a wall and make Aneristic Illusions pay for it  :lulz:

Beyond the wall / Re: PICS VIII: 10% LARGER THAN PICS VII
« on: November 07, 2016, 05:17:53 pm »
Sounds like you inadvertently attended the best wedding in recorded history :lulz:

I have a message I wrote my future self back when I was in my 20's. It's on a harddrive I have kicking about somewhere. I was either coming out of or going into a bout of insanity at the time. If I'd just written "Fuck me I got a lot to learn" a couple of hundred times it would have gotten pretty much the same message across.

Weird thing is, I remember writing every word  :eek:

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