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is the assumption, from out of the blue, that the person being explained to has no pre-existing knowledge of the subject

This is definitely a thing. I'd wrongly assumed it was fucking hilarious so I stand corrected on that point. I also wasn't aware it was only men who did this to women so it's good we now have a descriptive name for the phenomenon to clear that up.

Techmology and Scientism / Meta at Ted
« on: March 18, 2016, 05:38:03 pm »

Gribetz comes The Smiler at times but I'm stoked for this tech, regardless. I reckon the people currently saying this is the next platform shift are bang on the money.

Bring and Brag / Re: Thinking about LMNO's alcohol thread...
« on: March 18, 2016, 05:14:03 pm »
Thanks. Kinda liked writing it. Just flowed, didn't even know what it was to begin with. Words kind of popped in my head first and led to the memory, later.

Story is I'm six months or a year into being broken up from ExT4gR4m and so's my mate "Yeti" and we've reconnected after years apart and carried on like we did when we was 18 - mainly booze and pot and being unemployed and f'kin miserable. So one night (can't remember which) I'm like "Wilderness. Wilderness and Tequilla." and Yeti is like "Yeah, fuck it"

So we're pretty wasted by the time we climb into a couple of kayaks and I remember paddling out to an island with a pub on it and then it's the next day and I wake up, lying on a beach, f'kin no idea how. I literally cannot even. There's voices and some people are getting in a boat on the shore and trying to act all cool in front of the kids whilst still conveying an urgency to leave. Sun was baking, nearly noon but I vaguely remember a thunderstorm last night. No idea where Yeti is but there's only one boat on the beach.

No worries, I look down to find I'm cradling half a litre of Jose and fresh orange mix like a newborn baby. Breathe a sigh of relief. No need to deal with any of this shit right now.

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Life Changes
« on: March 18, 2016, 05:01:04 pm »
I kind of come and go with pot. Like I'll smoke regular for a bit then get bored with the headspace and quit for months or years but with booze it never gets boring.

I guess I have pot-brake but not booze brake  :)

Bring and Brag / Thinking about LMNO's alcohol thread...
« on: March 18, 2016, 04:53:56 pm »
... on some pretty nice bud


Look at me I here I can hardly walk
I can hardly move I can barely talk
Open my eyes but I'm blind to see
the horrible truth staring back at me

Listen to me sing and see me dance
Swallowing my hate and spitting out romance
All you ever get when you play this game
is a shot of regret f'kin drowning in pain

Happy ever after never paid the rent
After turned to this as the happy got spent
There was fire in the sky all fighting with the smog
raining black tears on a dead stray dog

Not to call it negative it is what it is
Cracking under pressure but I made it like this
Can't remember how so at least I got that
Still aint seen the wreckage but I'm guessing it's bad

People on the beach, steer their kids the hell away
turned up in a cruiser but they didn't wanna stay
Memory or dreaming couldn't tell the two apart
Numb and sweet oblivion an aching in my heart

Grabbed a chunk of paradise and turned it into hell
Motherfucken alchemist disaster for a spell
No idea how I got here but I'm half a mile from shore
It's eleven in the morning and I gotta have some more

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Life Changes
« on: March 18, 2016, 02:47:41 pm »
A world of wonders awaits you. Healthy REM sleep, improved memory and concentration, freedom from constant, low grade background depression...

The only problem is this nagging little voice in the back of my head that gets louder whenever I'm near a pub or off-license or even just a bit bored, yelling "PARTY TIME - DO EET!!!"

Now would be an opportune time for you to engage in a self-actualizing autocoital exercise.

A year and change on and this is still the best thing I've heard in my entire life  :lulz:

So lemme get this straight - you (Roger the trustworthy) now have the capability to fire MOTHERFUCKEN LAZORZ AT THE MOTHERFUCKEN MOON??   :? :eek: :fap: :horrormirth:  8)

... drives a sensible, economical, family saloon, even though his chances of ever reproducing are nil
... religiously calculates MPG, based on milometer and pump data
... did this before MPG was even a thing
... files his junk mail coupons in dewey decimal

That's the downside of books - You'll find any answer to any stupid plebeian question written by some idiot somewhere. Book burning? Yeah, call me controversial but I reckon you should probably burn most of them :evil:

Techmology and Scientism / Re: Weekly Science Headlines
« on: March 14, 2016, 02:40:01 pm »
LOL, yeah, I guess you're right. I just tend to think emergent AGI is so far off, it's not rteally worth bothering about. What I'm more looking forward to is something that I think much more likely and much more short term - I'll stick my neck on the line and predict that the Turing test will be passed in the next 2-5 years by a machine that does not possess anything even verging on human-level intelligence.

Given that we have an entire mirror-neuron architecture dedicated to projecting anthropomorphic intellect here there and everywhere at the drop of a hat, I suspect that either the next generation of AI assistants or maybe the generation after that will be able to act human enough to fool pretty much everyone except the people working on developing these systems.

At this point we will probably have mass hysteria and paranoia that AGI has arrived and we're all going to die.


Techmology and Scientism / Re: Weekly Science Headlines
« on: March 14, 2016, 11:21:35 am »
Much as I'd love to be wrong I don't see AI "waking up" anytime soon. The main thing I'm taking away from all this is that intelligence aint what makes us human. We've bamboozled ourselves into thinking intelligence is some complex godlike phenomenon where it turns out it's actually just some fairly straightforward mathematical logic, scaled to usefulness.  The distinction between "artifical" intelligence and human intelligence is false. Something either functions intelligently, in which case it's genuinely intelligent, or it doesn't in which case it's a housebrick.

The mysterious aspect of consciousness may or may not be a side effect that emerges from a massively scaled intelligent network. There's arguments on both sides but the truth is nobody knows. Looking at nature, tho it seems reasonable to assume that human-level consciousness with moods and goals and ambitions doesn't happen until you approach a human-scale intelligent network. Best estimates are that's decades away at the very least and centuries at most. What we do have in the meantime is discreet intelligent units which function millions of times faster than meat in specific narrow-domain use cases.

The way I see it is that, right now, nobody in their right mind would try to multiply half a dozen 9-digit numbers in their head and realistically expect to beat a child with a calculator, soon, the same will be true for things like diagnosing medical ailments or looking for interesting data in scientific papers. As Roger said - it's a hammer to save us knocking nails in with our head. I can't see the x-ray scanner suddenly quitting looking for tumours and deciding the fleshy ones are weak and must be destroyed

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Life Changes
« on: March 14, 2016, 09:39:53 am »
I've had a few brushes with alcohol over the years. Shit is like quicksand, just grabs a hold of me and all of a sudden I'm a lot worse off than before, physically, mentally, emotionally.

Been sober for about 14 months now and I still find myself occasionally hankering for a three week bender. Weed, on the other hand has always been there for me and only really became a problem that time I got too deep into the business side of things. 

Techmology and Scientism / Re: Weekly Science Headlines
« on: March 14, 2016, 06:52:08 am »
What's funny to me is that for each successful use case, they're giving humanity a serious kick in the ego since we're forced to accept there's another thing our brains are totally shit at.

Not this kid.  I am a tool user.  I am not sure how I'd be offended by the tools I make or use.  I have tools to augment my physical abilities...A jackhammer can do things I can't do no matter how much time I have.  I would not be offended by tools that do mental things better than I do, either.

That's the way I feel too but there's a whole school of thought out there who are framing this whole thing in a them and us context. I think about half the popular press articles I see on AI have a still from Terminator at the top of the article :lulz:

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