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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Post-Irony (& The New Sincerity)
« on: April 14, 2017, 03:20:22 pm »

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Reality Safari: Gurdjieff
« on: April 13, 2017, 09:48:52 pm »
There is no Faith in the fourth way. The Gurdjieff Work places a high emphasis on verifying things yourself.

There is a gnostic vibe to it; you can get info from teachers, but your knowledge must come from direct experience--anything else is a castle built on sand.

I will say that I'm in the process of verification. Still exploring. I don't have enough info to believe or disbelieve.

A few parts of it are rock solid to me though. There are a lot of Gurdjieff topics that resonate strongly with my own experiences. I've had my own gnostic-mystical-holy shit-experiences where some things came into focus. The less said about this, the better. But when you've been there, you can recognize when other people are talking about the same thing.

When Gurdjieff talks about as the self as something larger than the ego, when he talks about the universe as an organism and the correspondence between macro and micro - that stuff is exactly what I spent years exploring in my Fractal Cult project. His talk about us having "Many Selves" with their own agendas matches perfectly with the model of self presented in the Art of Memetics, which I do buy into. So a lot of the Gurdjieff work is like different language for stuff I already had inside of me.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: The #AltWoke Manifesto
« on: April 13, 2017, 09:03:11 pm »

Just scanning this doc for Nick Land...

They seem like they agree with parts of him and hate parts of him.

We agree with Nick Land’s diagnosis of late capitalism. It is an entropic AI, a systemic feedback loop wholly incompatible with the welfare of human beings.

Our ‘amorality’ isn’t a bankruptcy of ethics so much as an emotional discipline in response to global existential threats. A learned stoicism and pragmatism is crucial to #AltWoke. We acknowledge the reality of planetary scale ecological and sociopolitical catastrophe. We accept this reality as well, insofar that it’s a causal plausibility given the geopolitical circumstances. If we do nothing, Apocalypse will be the next epoch after the Anthropocene.

The nihilism exhibited by Nick Land and his NRx acolytes looks anemic from where we’re standing. NRx/Right Accelerationism is nihilism for cowards. Passively observing the phenomenon of capitalism’s gross consumption of the Earth’s resources, watching the development of technology that exacerbates this phenomenon, and synthesising this with a eugenic, Eurocentric fundamentalism shouldn’t even count as an ideology.

they mention Nick Land six times in the doc, usually both a nod that there's he got some stuff right and also to dismiss and deride his fanboys.

Dude on FB says: "Acceleration is the is. Left-Acceleration is the ought."

I will state for the record I have read zero Nick Land, and I can only make it like 40 words deep into any neoreaction writing before my eyeball starts to twitch and all of the sudden I'm doing something else

Aneristic Illusions / Re: The #AltWoke Manifesto
« on: April 13, 2017, 08:52:49 pm »
 :lulz: I find an "alt-woke" FB group and look at the first fucking post:

accompanying text:

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Nick Land the Wise? I thought not. It’s not a story that academic philosophers would tell you. It’s a Continental legend. Nick Land was a Deleuzian of Warwick, so powerful and so wise he could use creative destruction to influence the intensive thresholds of terrestrial history to create…the Outside. He had such a knowledge of the dark side of Capital that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. The deterritorializing flows of Capital are a pathway to many abilities some consider to be of a highly schizophrenic character. He became so deterritorialized…the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice, Ray Brassier, everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: The #AltWoke Manifesto
« on: April 13, 2017, 08:29:52 pm »
I had this horrible facebook thread a few weeks ago

the topic was "Should transwomen be allowed to compete in women's MMA?"

-A transwoman was making the case that Yes, Trans women are real women and it's transphobic to say otherwise.
-Another guy chimed in to point out that HRT doesn't represent a total physical transformation, there are still things like bone structure...

and I think there are some things worth discussing there, but the discussion rapidly deteriorated into camp politics and name calling. It was like neither side really had the tools to change anybody's mind.

I couldn't help but feel like this exact thing is playing out a thousand times a day. And the organic tumblr-fed "It's not my job to educate you" meme has really hurt us. I'm not saying the left is responsible for the alt-right, not at all. But the way these discussions play out definitely feeds it.

I want to be clear that I'm not signing up as champion of this #altwoke thing, I'm still chewing on it.

But let's look at how points actually get scored in the year of our lady discord 2017.

Why did Milo's book get pulled? Was it because people beat him in a theater of ideas? Was it because crowds stopped showing up for him? Was it because intersectional politics actually beats regressive shitlord politics? Not in the slightest. We just smeared him.

And it worked.

Should we feel bad about that?

Aneristic Illusions / Re: The #AltWoke Manifesto
« on: April 13, 2017, 08:09:04 pm »
We might also want to point out that more than 70% old white men voted for Trump, and less than 30% of young people did.

Trump won because of racism, disenfranchisement, and the electoral college's disproportionate weighting among the states.

Among other things, of course.  If you want to bring about change, what you need is #wokeseptuagenarian.

I think it's shortsighted to dismiss the right wing youth movement, whatever you call it

Milo and his cohorts aren't just gonna take a punch and then shut up and fade away

Re: the weaponization of irony ---
the people who've been "troll farm astroturfing" r/TheDonald might be onto something - after all, that's how stormfront injected /pol/

Aneristic Illusions / Re: The #AltWoke Manifesto
« on: April 13, 2017, 07:38:07 pm »
Something about embracing "post-truth" as such sticks in my craw. So does comparing Manning and Snowden as just two peas in this particular pod.

I know, right?

But the other thing is - whatever choppy waters we're sailing towards in the good ship "post-truth".... to some extent we're already there.

I mean, Clinton lost the election because of Eeeeeeeeeemails

Trump now operates his own private e-mail server and nobody gives a shit.

What the fuck is the point of using facts in these discussions? In 2017 you either say whatever sounds like it'll work, or you lose to that strategy.

The hope, maybe, is that there are some decent, logical moderates out here who can be swayed.
Or that misinformation is repellant to honest people.

I think that hypothesis was tested in November and found wanting.

As a strategy "against" the alt-right I'm unconvinced that ensconcing Eris as an opponent of Kuk is wise. As much as they'd like to believe themselves to be steadily taking over the obsolete and toothless 'ol GOP they're NOT really anywhere near as successful at that as they might wish folks to believe. Shit if anything they could use an enemy in the shadows to galvanize their soft ass "coalition" and spur activity through a competitor.

The GOP and Democrats as they existed in 2016 must adapt to the new landscape or die.

Julius Caesar, Mark Antony, & Cicero are all very old and on their way out. Gotta make way for the homo superior.

The #altright and whatever we're talking about here are not the new hotness, but they might be the new order's awkward teenage form.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: The #AltWoke Manifesto
« on: April 13, 2017, 06:30:44 pm »
#AltWoke™: Left Hand Praxis
Lawful Neutral
Infrastructure building
Political reformatting

#AltWoke: Right Hand Praxis
Chaotic Good
Disruptive compliance
Troll farm astroturfing
Nonlinear cyberwarfare
Post irony
Memes as agitprop internetism

Ten Commandments of #AltWoke
1. If you’re still ‘Woke,’ you're actually asleep.
2. Post-shame is the child of post-facts. Be immune to criticism.
3. Build the Cathedral 2.0
4. Read Baudrillard while scrolling Kim K’s feed. Repeat until you understand.
5. If you think intersectionality is a numbers game, then you're doing identity politics wrong.
6. #BlackPopMatters
7. Be the amoral Leftists the Right thinks you are.
8. Let a thousand detournements bloom, make them viral, infect the Swamp.
9. Xenophilia. Love the alien, difference, and experimentation.
10.Be vague. Frustrate the critics, entice the curious.

Aneristic Illusions / The #AltWoke Manifesto
« on: April 13, 2017, 06:30:09 pm »
Chewing on this today. This was introduced to me as:

"#altwoke is to eris as redpill is to kek."

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Reality Safari: Gurdjieff
« on: April 13, 2017, 12:28:43 am »
Oh also, this youtube series is really good, breaks the whole thing down into quick little lessons with practical exercises.

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Reality Safari: Gurdjieff
« on: April 12, 2017, 07:03:31 pm »
The writer Henry Miller on Gurdjieff:

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Reality Safari: Gurdjieff
« on: April 12, 2017, 06:55:06 pm »
I was surprised to find there is an intersection of Gurdjieff thought and Rave culture - this is a good essay

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Reality Safari: Gurdjieff
« on: April 12, 2017, 06:54:17 pm »
yeah I wish I could say "you should read beelzebub's tales". I don't know. I've got a love/hate relationship with it. Every so often I find something that really strikes me, but a lot of the time I just want to hurl it into a fire.

For those of you who haven't heard of it - it's kind of like a "Fourth Way Bible".. Gurdjieff put everything into that book.

Gurdjieff studied various forms of thought (mainly mysticism) and attempted to synthesize them into something new. He blends Buddhism, Sufism, a little Zoroastrianism, early Christian esotericism, and a bunch of others. Kinda like Carl Jung, he is attempting to synthesize what he considers the "real" part of various religions. Beezlebub's Tales is what came out of that meat grinder.

And it's impenetrably hard to read. The first sentence of the book is like a page and a half long. The sentences are lengthy and difficult, twisting, filled with subclauses and parenthetical explanations... you basically cannot skim it. Your habitual mind will not be able to get a toehold. You can only absorb the information through concentration. And even then, it's abstract, metaphorical. So you have to crunch through it again afterwards before the meaning shines through. Gurdjieff meant the book as training wheels, teaching you how to focus and persevere. He said the book is like a yard with bones buried in it. You're the dog who wants the bones, but you have to search and dig.

Right at the beginning of the boo, Big G challenges you, "You're about to embark on something really difficult, and you won't know if it's worth it until you're done, so why even bother?"

This is a stretch, but it reminds me of this website - searchlores was about cultivating this certain relationship with the internet, thinking about it like an ecosystem, learning how to find any information with a single query... The webpage itself was set up to look like it came from 1993.

And this "web of yesteryear" aesthetic was intentional - anybody who had just showed up for a quick bite of info, who wanted knowledge handed to them in a flashy, bite sized, easy to digest package, would immediately be turned off. The searchlores crowd didn't care to attract anybody that couldn't look beneath the surface.

In a similar way, Gurdjieff is saying "Hey, I'm not your teacher. I'll show you the process I used to wake up, but I'm not going to make it 'easy'. You have to do the work yourself or none of this will have any meaning."

That's a big thing to him - anything you acquire without effort will have no value to you.

the modern mind reels


I would NOT recommend starting with Beezlebub's Tales. It's too obnoxious.

The Fourth Way, by Ouspensky, is a much better intro (though I can't say that definitively as I haven't finished it):

I've heard good things about Gurdjieff Unveiled, but I have only got like 20 pages deep:

I now think the best starting point is In Search of the Miraculous, by PD Ouspensky:

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