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Or Kill Me / Re: More of a complaint than a rant; it's about you.

« on: February 17, 2012, 02:25:36 pm »

What is with the Discordian obsession with disorder? My understanding is that the sacred chao  shows that order and disorder, though both illusions are equal. They are both made of chaos and you can see this in action when a politician or other vogon makes a stupid decision.

This came out much more seriously than intended :S

We live in Ordered times

Disorder will lead us hand in hand in Aftermath

but the Discordian preference for Disorder is based on living in the season of Bureaucracy


If we lived in total anarchy, running around shirtless, screaming, stabbing each other with pointy sticks, the Discordians would be building bridges and governments.


the Principia suggests that if you're going to pick a side, pick creative over destructive, and humor over seriousness. But don't get too anal about it  - they're all just tools for different situations.

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Discordia en Espanol / Re: De hierro negro hilo de prisión

« on: February 17, 2012, 02:22:13 pm »

http://www.kaosphorus.net/4920/maladie-de-l-ego/

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Apple Zone / Re: Rub the truth into being!

« on: February 16, 2012, 07:51:27 pm »

Dharma bums

[picture of a butt]

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Apple Zone / Re: Quotes of the Moment II

« on: February 16, 2012, 07:24:17 pm »

Treat everyone you meet like God in drag.

           -Ram Dass

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Principia Discussion / Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!

« on: February 16, 2012, 06:44:09 pm »

cool by me!

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: UNLIMITED SHITTING ON GOOGLE THREAD :-D

« on: February 16, 2012, 06:43:45 pm »

Gmail figured out my yahoo address. It just asked me if I wanted to import all my yahoo mail into my gmail account. YEAH FUCKING RIGHT.


besides, I have a yahoo address so that I don't have to read tea party newsletters every time I check my e-mail.

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Principia Discussion / Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!

« on: February 16, 2012, 06:35:05 pm »

I'm pretty sure I'm not thinking this all the way through... Cram, do you get a discount by being the publisher, and could we supply books for consignment cheaper than cost?

yeah, as the authors, we can order books at-cost. (well... kinda. Lulu makes a buck whether or not we do) If we wanted to sell 'em in bulk, we'd add Roger's address to one of our lulu profiles as if it's one of ours. Then we can buy as many copies as we'd like and they'll be shipped to Roger.

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Principia Discussion / Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!

« on: February 16, 2012, 02:38:47 pm »

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Apple Zone / Re: It's all going horribly wrong.

« on: February 15, 2012, 08:46:02 pm »

ooof, sounds shitty and awfulbad. I hope it works out, Pixie! It would be so cool if you two spags lovebirds found a place together.

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Apple Zone / Re: I wrote a Valentine's Day poem, just for YUO

« on: February 15, 2012, 05:12:19 pm »

There was a Far Side comic with an old man wearing sunglasses holding up this sign:


Roses are red
violets are blue
that's what they tell me
because I'm blind

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Propaganda Depository / Re: Cramulan Audio

« on: February 15, 2012, 05:06:16 pm »

I left this on my buddy's voicemail: http://kiwi6.com/file/0t1lebx63l

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Proposition of New Terminology Concerning Belief

« on: February 15, 2012, 04:43:09 pm »

Hey NWC! welcome back

It's funny how the atheist and agnostic positions are slowly becoming camps. A position like atheism shouldn't need leaders (like Richard Dawkins) - I mean, it's not a church, right? It's a position about churches. And slowly, it's morphing into an institution, which is about the worst thing that can happen to it.


Penn Gilette posted a video a few years ago about how anybody who claims to be an agnostic is really just an atheist. Because, as he frames it, it really just as simple as "Do you believe that there's a god or not?"

I couldn't object more!

It's like, I've got this box. I've told everybody that there's a monkey inside of it. Suddenly there are two camps, a group of people that believe me, and a group of people that think the box doesn't have a monkey in it.

The agnostic position is "Without opening the box, I can't judge whether or not there's a monkey in it." Gillette seems to insist that EVERYBODY either supports or denies the existence of that monkey. But seriously, if we want to be really scientific about it, I can't make a statement about the reality of that monkey without opening the box. So my "belief" is a Mu-position¹, neither on nor off.


wrote about this a bit more here.



¹ You know, the same noise the chao makes

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Absurdism, the Cold War, and the Future

« on: February 15, 2012, 02:44:08 pm »

it really does.
it is my understanding that poetry is significant in their education.  not just like our nursery rhymes, but honest to go poetry.  all through schooling.  in their popular media.  in their religion. in their science.

In my father's day, you had to read Kipling, Frost, Service, etc.

When I was in grade school it was some shit about "A Poem As Lovely As A Tree", which was - I believe - specifically designed to KILL POETRY FOR YOU FOREVER, in the same manner that they KILLED SHAKESPEARE by ignoring Henry V and MacBeth in favor of that tripe, A Midsummer Night's Dream.

WHY WON'T JOHNNY READ?   

this!!

My poetry education started with Carl Sandburgh. Blech, nature poetry is some of the most boring shit ever. Our teacher made us write carl-sandburg style poems. It was like, "pick a bird. now write a poem about it."

I've been exposed to some selected bits of Rumi, some of it is really really amazing and beautiful. Didn't know he was Persian btw.

Burns turned me onto Rumi a while back. If you like rumi, you'll probably like Hafiz.

I find that if I'm in the mood to read those guys, I try to find a website with the absolutely worst style ever. You know, where the poetry is typed in pink comic sans. Makes it look like a hallmark card. Except it's a hallmark card written hundreds of years ago in Persia. I don't know why I insist on reading them this way, I just find it funny.

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Making Occult Studies more Accessible

« on: February 15, 2012, 02:37:06 pm »

something something golden apple something

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Making Occult Studies more Accessible

« on: February 15, 2012, 02:32:51 pm »

But since you see fit to call me a liar, then you can go fuck yourself.

wait, what? where did I call you a liar??
we're discussing ideas, there's no reason to make this personal


ANYWAY

I thought there was some meat in LHX's OP. Nobody in this thread is saying they believe in mystical supernatural shite. LHX expressed interest in talking about "magic without the bullshit" - ie the stuff that could be carted away from the occult and discussed separately. LHX outlined a few of the ways of separating the useful parts from the non-useful parts. To me, the summary of the OP was "Isn't it frustrating that when we talk about esoteric stuff, morons think we're talking about something supernatural?" LHX's post was an attack on the "supernatural" elements of the discussion, so I'm still a little confused as to why it's bullshit?


To me, mythology is a good analogy for what we're talking about. We don't believe in Greek Gods, but there's still some value in mythology.

If you approach myth from a religious point of view (analogous to a True Believer in the occult), and the lesson you take from Greek Mythology is that you need to make these sacrifices to the gods all the time or fate will fuck you up, you're a spag and you totally missed the point.

Similarly, if you insist there's no value in myth, and anybody that's trying to discuss myth is wasting their time and deluding themselves, I think you're missing the point as well.