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Beyond the wall / Re: 10 Points to Ponder. Or Kill TGRR.
« on: December 20, 2011, 03:42:27 am »
I have five minutes before I have to be out the door, but PERHAPS NO BIG SURPRISE I completely agree with Roger, including (and especially) the points that involve my own shortcomings. It has nothing to do with "don't post things that Nigel and Roger don't like"; it has everything to do with "if you post something you know will stir shit up, be prepared to defend it with reason and citations if necessary, and don't go all whiny and passive-aggressive if you can't."

And seriously with the unending blog shit and personal drama. I am FAR from innocent on this front, and I am even sick of my own shit. If you can't tell an interesting/funny story about it, maybe reconsider whether posting about your ass polyps is going to be interesting or elucidating to anyone but yourself, in which case, that's what your diary is for. Just my opinion.

I am more tentative about #10, but only if we all redevelop the intestinal fortitude to just ignore stupid trolls, which used to work just fine.

And FFS stop acting oppressed if someone you feel intimidated by for some reason disagrees with, challenges, or critiques your post, and if you go all monkey screechy about it don't whine when they decide that for their own personal purposes you're a fucktard and don't deserve the respect or time of reasonable discourse.

Lastly, n00bs. Sometimes people show up and don't post anything intended to impress anyone or push anyone's buttons. Sometimes they just sort of read a bit and then start making  thoughtful contributions to threads they read. Not unsurprisingly, those people tend not to get jumped on, and in fact for the most part nobody ever makes a big deal about them being a n00b. We seem to have picked up one such in just the past week, but nobody's noticed because he/she/it hasn't said anything button-pushy enough to receive pushback. These are the new people who tend to stick around, and the ones that go all "ALL WOMEN SHOULD BE PROSTITUTES" or "MAGICKS IS REAL" are seriously not really people most of us WANT the board to be populated by. Am I completely off-base? Even so, I do agree that we should exercise a little more restraint when it comes to the 50-post rule, unless they're being all-out offensive.

That said, when we go trolling and people follow us back here, it makes perfect sense to give them more wiggle room because we're the ones who got them riled in the first place.

I have more thoughts on all of this but I have to go. More tomorrow.


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Beyond the wall / Re: A Voice from the Basement, part II of V.
« on: December 20, 2011, 12:46:41 am »
Well, no...I was talking about the wretched Eloi that infest our main office building.  They are full of amazing advice that has precisely nothing to do with the actual, physical problems at hand.

I will eat them all, one fine day.

Oh, those types.

Yeah.

Crunchy in milk!

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Beyond the wall / Re: Academic Advice
« on: December 20, 2011, 12:45:44 am »
You're going to get an overview of the history of philosophy and a mini who's-who and who-influenced-who, read some Sartre, some Nietzche, some Borges, and if there's time some Wittgenstein, and then you're going to sit around and wank about what it means and how that meaning was expressed. Oh, and write some papers about what it means and how it's influenced modern thinking.

This is my impression from having fallen in love with countless philosophy majors.

God I hate those fuckers.

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Beyond the wall / Re: No more sermons, no more rants.
« on: December 20, 2011, 12:40:16 am »
A PS. to my last post; some shitty-ass writers are SUPERB storytellers.

It can go the other way, too, though.

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Beyond the wall / Re: No more sermons, no more rants.
« on: December 20, 2011, 12:31:06 am »
This is a good truth, but the only way to become a better writer is to write, to be criticized, and to keep on writing.

Tip, though; if you are criticized, rather than taking it personally, brushing it off, or, worst of all, digging in and going defensive, just absorb it, say "thank you", and remember that you can always simply not use criticism that truly doesn't work for you. (And always remember Quiller-Couch's advice to "Murder your darlings"!)

Oh, I'm not afraid of the criticisms. I just feel like a karaoke singer in a bar filled with opera singers.

How did opera singers get that good?

Practice. 

True story. Writing, like singing, is not an innate skill, but a learned one.

My singing teacher told me than anyone can be taught to sing, as long as they believe they can be. Some people are more limited in range than others due to physical structures, but anyone can sing given enough practice and training.

Supporting anecdote: When my sisters and I were little, my mom always said that singing didn't run in our family and so it was no surprise that we couldn't sing. I always believed that I couldn't sing, but I always wanted to. When I was going through a divorce in my late twenties and under enormous stress, I started singing along to certain songs as a form of stress relief, and one day years later someone overheard me and said "You have such a pretty voice; I wish I could sing but I don't have any talent".

And I recorded myself and lo and behold, I no longer sounded terrible, and could actually stick to the tune pretty well. So I took singing lessons (from the teacher referenced above) and as a result I started singing around the house all the time. My kids grew up hearing me sing, and their logical assumption was "Mom's a singer, so we must be singers too". They didn't start out wonderful, at all, but no one ever discouraged them and when they complained about not being good they were told "Singing is a muscle; you have to exercise it". They are all wonderful singers now. Well, LO isn't yet but she's really young.

Like singing, writing, or any other art, is only about 10% innate talent, and 90% actual practice and effort.

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Beyond the wall / Re: In Defense of Being a Dick to New People
« on: December 20, 2011, 12:21:28 am »
hmmmm I was wondering if he's from Totse2 where did he get a stable Spanish proxy like that, but checking I see he's had four different ones now, I wouldn't be surprised if they turn out to be located on opposite sides of Spain or something :lol: [though 3 out of 4 are from the same subnet, this jury is still out]

It's probably Fang.  :lol:

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Beyond the wall / DAMMIT ROGER
« on: December 20, 2011, 12:19:52 am »
I HAVE BEEN SITTING HERE EXPECTANTLY WAITING FOR MY FRIEND AND WONDERING WHY SHE IS LATE

AND THEN I REALIZED THAT YOU ARE NOW IN A DIFFERENT TIME ZONE AND IT IS EIGHTEEN PAST FOUR.

 :argh!:

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Principia Discussion / Re: Discordianism vs. Subgenius
« on: December 20, 2011, 12:14:43 am »
Subgenius is for converting people.
Discordianism is the true teaching.

That is a strangely concise angle I've never thought of before.

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Beyond the wall / Re: No more sermons, no more rants.
« on: December 20, 2011, 12:13:33 am »
I have a couple story things I've been sitting on, hesitant to post (because well, y'all are some of the best writers I've seen and it's a little intimidating).

The TRUTH

This is a good truth, but the only way to become a better writer is to write, to be criticized, and to keep on writing.

Tip, though; if you are criticized, rather than taking it personally, brushing it off, or, worst of all, digging in and going defensive, just absorb it, say "thank you", and remember that you can always simply not use criticism that truly doesn't work for you. (And always remember Quiller-Couch's advice to "Murder your darlings"!)

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Beyond the wall / Re: No more sermons, no more rants.
« on: December 20, 2011, 12:08:44 am »
In fact, I wonder if what the board needs in general is more mirth*. We might be just about all horrored out. The tone is bitter lately, and jaded... and for good reason. I mean, look at this fucking world. But we're IN it, and now that what we've been predicting for so long is actually going down, maybe we need something else to make this an island of sanity in the sea of insanity?

I know I've had about enough of bitterness.










*Not just silliness. Funniness.


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Beyond the wall / Re: No more sermons, no more rants.
« on: December 20, 2011, 12:03:40 am »
While reading the thread, a thought came to my mind - the "Ulysses project."
Basically, it's about encouraging people writing about everyday life, but in Joycean way - creating from boring events a fascinating, hilarious tale. And the project will be a collection of the "best" ones, or just a collection of the ones.
Maybe it will encourage people to write about daily life, but in a more creative way than the usual "what I did today" style.

I would dearly love to see more of this. For a long time, most of my writing inspiration came from writing stories about my personal life and trying to make them funny... Bad date? Write a story! Tonsillectomy? Write a story! Engine on fire in the middle of one of the nation's largest national forests? Write a story!

With Open Bar, Facebook, Twitter, and similar venues practically begging for flat, factual one-line status updates, I've become lazy and unfunny. I will seek to remedy my ways. Because life, as must as it may suck, is also fucking HILARIOUS.

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Beyond the wall / Re: No more sermons, no more rants.
« on: December 19, 2011, 11:01:23 pm »
I try and speak up when I have something to say, and I keep my mouth shut when I have nothing to add. When I do post, it doesn't always go anywhere, but I'll keep doing what I'm doing.

If anyone has a problem with what I do post I hope they'd tell me, or rip into me in the thread. What I don't like more than anything isn't being torn a new asshole, it is being ignored. That's what makes me shut the window and work on something else.

I think this is true of most people, to tell the truth.

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Beyond the wall / Re: No more sermons, no more rants.
« on: December 19, 2011, 10:55:35 pm »
I think this myth of 'the real PD' and the beatdown of the noobs who don't seem to fit it is itself damaging. PD can grow in it's own way. Hanging on to a particular vision to me, seems to encourage stagnation.
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I shouldn't have to say it but if you read this as 'be nicer to noobs', reread it.

What are you even fucking talking about? "Myth"?

It's ALREADY stagnating, so what are you suggesting be done about it?

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Beyond the wall / Re: A Voice from the Basement, part II of V.
« on: December 19, 2011, 10:51:16 pm »
So the plant lost its main power bus today.

Tribal lore says the main plant switching box is so old and decrepit that it isnít to be touched, ever.  It does in fact look awful...Corroded as hell, with about 30 years worth of failed rust inhibitor all over it (the geniuses that built this place located it in the worst of the acid atmosphere.

But, you know, the plant is down.  So the boss calls down from on high, and says, ďRemember to leave that disconnect panel aloneĒ.

We trace the problem directly to that panel.

I have the guys suit up, and we ever-so-carefully take the panel faces off...And itís a blown fuse.  Whatís more, thereís nothing wrong with the disconnect boxes.  Nothing.  These guys have been living in fear for at least 8 years, and thereís nothing at all wrong with it.  It isnít new, but everything inside is perfectly functional.

So now the plant has power, my boss is happy (success outweighs obedience, here), and we learned something.

And all of you bastards need to learn something, too.  You know those guys in the basement?  The crude, misanthropic bastards who walk around in Dickey shirts with tools stuffed in their pockets?  The ones who keep everything running?

Leave us alone.  Itís our basement, not yours.  You just take care of whatever it is you Eloi deal with, and you leave us Morlocks to handle things down here.  Leave us be, and the lights stay on, and water comes out of the tap when you want it.  Fuck with our game, and weíll come up at night and eat you.

Or Kill Me.



Bump in reference to the events of today.

But... but...

LEAVE OPEN BAR ALONE!
                      \

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Beyond the wall / Re: No more sermons, no more rants.
« on: December 19, 2011, 10:44:45 pm »
Oh, and to add... it seems like no one is interested in being challenged to break out of their prison anymore. We don't want to jailbreak; we all just want validation that our bars are OK.

Don't fucking make me examine my reality tunnel, fuckers! Dogpiling! Meanness! Other buzzwords that stand for "My viewpoint feels threatened and I don't want to have to defend it!".

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