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Aneristic Illusions / Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
« on: January 27, 2012, 04:58:04 am »

A judge is blocking Alejandrina Cabrera from being on the ballot based on her English skills. Apparently the law is that elected officials in Arizona need to be able to do their job without a translator. The judge called in a linguist, who determined that Alejandrina couldn't speak english well enough to do the job. The counter-argument is that the linguist had a thick Australian accent and Alejandrina couldn't understand him.

what do you guys think about this?

I think it's fucking ridiculous. The community she serves is bilingual, and that area has primarily spoken Spanish for hundreds of years. If her constituents don't primarily speak English, and in fact most of them understand Spanish, then the law requiring she not require a translator is absurd.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: Is money private property?
« on: January 27, 2012, 01:13:41 am »
how did the discussion in your class go, Nigel?

My teacher said that money is too complicated and shut it down.

Hey that's the same thing your government almost did in September :lol:

On topic, isn't this whole idea about whether money itself is useful, or even "property", if you're not spending it, closely related to the economic term liquidity ?

Like, to paraphrase the saying: You can't have your money and buy cake with it too?


And yes, it is related; I need to think about it more.

Today in class, money-as-public-resource was brought up by one of the other students. I'll copypaste my reply to Net vaguely regarding it in my FB thread:

Well, for one thing, if money is not private property but a public resource, it puts a very different spin on taxation. It really might even change the way people view extreme concentrations of wealth. We live in a capitalist democracy, and the monopolistic capitalism we practice here is really damaging our democracy. In democracies that utilize a form of socialistic capitalism, they tend to have much more democratic systems, and an economically healthier public, even though they also practice a high level of wealth redistribution via taxation and public services.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: Is money private property?
« on: January 27, 2012, 01:09:40 am »
Of course, all my arguments are predicated on the idea of a fiat currency.  A currency where something like gold is used as the base unit of currency would follow different rules, naturally, because it is a) a limited resource, and b) has utility aside from acting as a form of currency.

Yes, that's what I'm basing my question on, too... money as it is currently used in capitalist society.

I suspected a few people would bring it up, so I thought it best to forestall it by being completely open about the premises I am operating under.

Perfect... probably wise to get that definition in early in the conversation.

Techmology and Scientism / Re: The Tech Forum
« on: January 26, 2012, 11:00:52 pm »
Oh how I wish these were real:

(not worth starting a new topic over, wanted to post anyway)

I bet they will be real soon.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: Is money private property?
« on: January 26, 2012, 10:58:10 pm »
I am close to viewing money as a resource rather than as property. It's a pretty tricky topic.

Ahahahaha Twid, that's awesome!

To be honest, that could also be said of any alcoholic drink.

For the most part, the reward/consequence ratio is far more favorable with alcohol.

Ether is quite the headrush, but the effects last only a few minutes, it's not really that fun, and the stabby headache is no joke. I do not recommend.

Bring and Brag / Re: Yes, I am a hooker.
« on: January 26, 2012, 10:40:51 pm »
I am hereby offering my services as "rep".  Feel free to forward people or their emails to me, and I will send them away satisfied.  By which I mean I will be satisfied when I send them away.

 :lol: CPD, I think you should take him up on this.

And I love that latest one!

These are awesome.  :lulz:

I love that people complain to you about me and ECH.

I have, in all this time, only gotten one solitary butthurt email from a lurker complaining that we are all terrible mean people and not nice at all.

Oh, and the fact that we aren't "special" enough is priceless!  :lulz: "You're just people!" Oh, here, let me give you your money back.

Hard to get ahold of ether?


I'd tell you how to make it for about $5 but I'm not sure you're ready for the responsibility.

Why would anyone want to do ether? :? So you can get kinda dizzy and have a raging headache the next day?

GE owns Universal now. Which merged with Comcast/NBC.

Here's the thing.

Our economy is based on growth; not just profit, but continually larger profits. The stock market absolutely requires growth. After a certain point, the only way for a company to grow is to absorb its competitors. The inevitable result of that is acquisitions and mergers. Acquisitions and mergers lead to several large companies holding functional monopolies over the market. Furthermore, interlocking directorates mean that in many cases these corporate giants are collaborating with each other, not competing. Anti-trust laws used to limit how much control any one company had over the media... not anymore; thanks Telecommunications Act!

And they're not done merging, yet. No matter how big they get, they still have to keep growing, which explains a lot about our intensely militarized society and the reasons we have to keep going into other countries to "fight for democracy". At present, over 51% of the entire U.S. budget goes toward our military. And that military is fighting to "protect our interests", which really means to "gain access to resources and markets" for Big Corp. The U.S. government works for U.S. assets, not U.S. citizens.

Rah rah, go USA!

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Handcuffs
« on: January 26, 2012, 03:29:44 pm »
I kind of agree, but run your post through the filter of Nigel's "uncomfortable topic:race" thread. I would hesitate to say that by identifying entrenched racism, you can construct a brain state to avoid it completely.

It may be possible to avoid seeing racism completely if you're white, and it may be possible to avoid seeing sexism if you're male. But that brain-state is just a form of avoidance, and doesn't actually serve any higher purpose than making the user feel more comfortable in their world. If you are black, your avoidant brain-state isn't going to prevent you from being pulled over by the cops for driving while black. If you're female, that avoidant brain-state isn't going to prevent you from being approached with unwanted, insulting, and lewd propositions by strangers.

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Handcuffs
« on: January 26, 2012, 03:22:28 pm »
So when you recognize your self and your self-imposed limitations, what do you do with the limitations imposed upon you by society?

When I examine this further, my gut reaction is, "Well, shit.  We can't self reflect our way clear of fully instituted social violence.  I guess we're FUCKED FOREVER."

But that seems just as bad as the magical thinking trap I almost made for myself.  It reeks of helpless nihilistic determinism.  And, you know, fuck that.  There is nothing wrong with trying to improve your wiring to filter out bad signal, even if it won't end socially sanctioned sexism.

So, I guess the OP is aimed soley at a state of mind that is not being threatened by immediate existential threats of violence.  There are some social limitations that fall into this frame, but by no means does it intend to fix everything.  To be quite honest, even if you can figure out what personal traits were critically examined, and what was swallowed whole without a second thought, that doesn't change what's happening to you, it changes your understanding of it.

In a way, it's trying to find a way to identify bad signal.  It won't stop the bad signal, but at least you'll understand what it is you're dealing with a bit better.

I agree with you about the usefulness of the OP; self-reflection is useful in identifying and removing self-imposed limitations. Once you have recognized that a limitation is socially imposed, you can act against the limitation through activism and education. You may not change that limitation in your lifetime, but you can make progress. For example, currently most schools are primarily funded by their neighborhood's property taxes. The predictable results are that the schools in wealthy neighborhoods are much better and have more educational resources than schools in poor neighborhoods. We as a society are imposing a limitation on access to quality education on poor children. As a poor child, I might grow up to reflect on this and resent it. I may also take action to remedy my lack of education, but what do I do to remedy the inequity that caused it? It makes sense to support campaigns for starting a state-wide pool from which schools are funded equally on a per-student basis. Schools in wealthy neighborhoods will still receive donations from wealthy parents, of course, but the education provided by the public for the public good will be equalized.

Some ways of changing your world are internal. Others are external.   

Of course, as an aside, it should be recognized that due to resource constraints it's relatively less likely that poor people will have the luxury of all this self-reflection; it is by nature a luxury.

I just wanted to ask the question about socially imposed limitations because it seemed like the tenor of the thread was moving in that magical-thinking direction where all obstacles can be overcome by wishing them away, and I wanted to ground it a little.

I've done some thinking, and it occurs to me that Nigel doesn't DO drugs, Nigel IS drugs.

Not just the man-made kind.  But also the natural kind made by your body that makes you into a paranoid-schizophrenic-neurotic-compulsive-perverted-Jack-the-Ripper-American-Psycho kind of guy. And also the ALIEN kind that are anything from Mars Attacks to Alien to Videodrome to the porn version of Harry Potter, that make you mutate into something so horrible, so awful, so monstrous that you could NEVER even be NOMINATED for elective office and so would have to be appointed on an emergency basis to a non-confirmed role as a provisional something or other until congress comes back into session and has you exiled to Guam.

Or kill me.

Whoa  :lol:



Somehow, I stopped paying attention for a minute, and while I wasn't looking they made real functioning robots and convincing ai. And then they combined the two, and made it sing karaoke.

Oh, that's it.  That's the ABSOLUTE LIMIT.

It's bad enough that PEOPLE sing karaoke.  Now the fucking TOASTER is gonna start in?

Oh, just wait until you see this:

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