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Or Kill Me / Re: Uncurious monkeys
« on: February 26, 2015, 03:00:47 pm »
I'm gonna post this a third time, and see if  this time you have the guts to actually critically examine your own assumptions:

What assumptions are you making with these questions, and are you curious about whether they're sound assumptions?

...don't you agree that this is strange?

Why are (adult) humans so very not curious?

Show them something they don't know or understand, and they shy away or get offended and rationalize it as unimportant. Why??

What happens during a human's growing up process to kill that curiosity?

What happened to our species to make us blind?

What happened to some of us to have avoided it?

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Or Kill Me / Re: Uncurious monkeys
« on: February 26, 2015, 02:59:21 pm »
The thing is, Karapac, as I tried to point out before, you aren't really asking questions. You're making statements and waiting for validation.

You say you're curious about people, but you aren't acting curious about people. You aren't even acting curious about yourself. At this point, you are merely making assertions and defending them.

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Fuck you, I'll never be wrong!

I was once a genius, like you.

But then I took a Nigel to the knee.

 :lulz:

I got bad, man. Let me tell you. REAL bad. I was so addicted to being wrong the doktors thoughts I would never recover, stood no chance of ever leading a normal life again. I hit rock bottom the day I woke up in a stranger's house with a sore throat, and I knew... even though I couldn't remember... that I'd paid a man to let me come over and take the wrong side of an argument with him all night long. Stumbling out into the sunlight, throat raw from shouting him down because my point was too weak to stand on the merits of its own logic, I knew that I had to quit. I had to give up that sweet, sweet full-body rush of wrongness. So I gave it up. Cold turkey.

At first it was hard... I couldn't walk past a TV showing Fox News or the alternative medicine section in a bookstore without getting hit hard by the cravings. But it got better, bit by bit, and eventually my life started to return to normal. Almost normal. The hardest part about recovery is that now the Doktors say that I have to stay clean, that just one hit could drag me down into a full relapse. There are people who would really love to see that, you know; they try to tempt me. "C'mon, Nigel, you know you want it", they say, trying to make me wrong. But I know how it goes; I know I can't touch the stuff anymore. Wrong: not even once.

You bastards have no idea how lucky you are.

:potd:

:thanks:

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To me, Discordia seems to mean "question everything, including the answers your previous questions led you to." But I just read the Principia Discordia and the Black Iron Prison myself, and my head's still in that "new information filling it with fuck" state, so I'll have to rethink this answer at some point.
Sounds like you are doing quite well, especially the rethinking part.
In the spirit of questioning everything: Question the questions that led to your current answers.

At first realizing you're wrong is uncomfortable... even painful. But if you practice it enough, eventually it starts to feel not only less uncomfortable, but actually empowering. With enough time and diligent practice, you will find that there can be found a certain pleasure in [it], and you may even start seeking out such discoveries avidly, until eventually you become addicted to the feeling and start [doing it] all the time, on purpose.

It's just like yoga.  Or anal.

:spittake:

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A tactic that I have been using pretty successfully for the last few years, and one that I think works really well when I want to engage in one of those conversations, is to check my own damn privilege.

It's weird how many people who throw out the "check your privilege" line are unwilling to actually do it themselves. Garbo comes to mind; when her privilege was brought up, she left the board rather than examine it.

When I asked her about hiking on land that had belonged to three specific Native American tribes, I was being stupid.

And that video she posted...CHRIST.   Hey, thanks for validating the "Gay panic defense", assholes!

That was so fucked up.

No doubt she went to surround herself with people who let her comfortably deny her own privilege rather than challenging her. Growth is uncomfortable.

It's weird.  A certain type of person goes to tumblr, and they are consumed.  They strap a uniform on, to remove the onerous burden of introspection.

I am sure people have recovered from this, as I am sure the occasional conspiracy theorist snaps out of it...But I have never seen either one happen.
I have talked to one recovered conspiracy theorist.
So those at least exist.

I'd be curious about whether that person is now over-the-top and convinced they're right in some other area of life, which is something I've seen a lot of with people who hold strong beliefs in an area.

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Fuck you, I'll never be wrong!

I was once a genius, like you.

But then I took a Nigel to the knee.

 :lulz:

I got bad, man. Let me tell you. REAL bad. I was so addicted to being wrong the doktors thoughts I would never recover, stood no chance of ever leading a normal life again. I hit rock bottom the day I woke up in a stranger's house with a sore throat, and I knew... even though I couldn't remember... that I'd paid a man to let me come over and take the wrong side of an argument with him all night long. Stumbling out into the sunlight, throat raw from shouting him down because my point was too weak to stand on the merits of its own logic, I knew that I had to quit. I had to give up that sweet, sweet full-body rush of wrongness. So I gave it up. Cold turkey.

At first it was hard... I couldn't walk past a TV showing Fox News or the alternative medicine section in a bookstore without getting hit hard by the cravings. But it got better, bit by bit, and eventually my life started to return to normal. Almost normal. The hardest part about recovery is that now the Doktors say that I have to stay clean, that just one hit could drag me down into a full relapse. There are people who would really love to see that, you know; they try to tempt me. "C'mon, Nigel, you know you want it", they say, trying to make me wrong. But I know how it goes; I know I can't touch the stuff anymore. Wrong: not even once.

You bastards have no idea how lucky you are.

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Literate Chaotic / Re: Don't Break The Chain
« on: February 26, 2015, 06:19:21 am »
Delivery yes, but...

from what I understand, stand-up is an art form, and the starting point to being good at it is to die on stage a bunch of times. That's how you find out what works and what doesn't. Then, you refine each of those nuggets you've dug out and melt them in a BIG FUCKING POT.

Find out what hits them in the gut, where they're weak, and then exploit that shit for  :lulz:

Exactly... like writing, music, art, science, and pretty much everything else worth doing, first you have to suck at it a whole lot in order to get any better. You just keep sucking, and sucking, and sucking until this one time you suck a little less, and then eventually you get to a point where you hardly suck at all.

If you aren't willing to suck at it as hard as you can, you'll never give yourself a chance to get good.



OMG, that PWW is great!

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Hey new guy! I also come from one of those activisty backgrounds. You might want to look up the Bitter Tea Revolutionary threads that are somewhere in here. I don't know if it ever got finished, but there was some good work in there.

That was some good shit. I forgot about it, along with who knows how many other excellent projects.

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Man, everyone's showering these n00bs with "normal human courtesy." It's like you guys don't even remember the good old days of the interbutts, when we shat relentlessly on people just because it was a day ending in "y" :argh!:



ATTENTION NEWBIES:

YOU ALL SUCK AND NO ONE LIKES YOU. PLEASE TO ENJOY THE FORUMS.


 :walken:

 :lulz:

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The Richard Nixon school of ballet and the arts / Re: LOBB thing
« on: February 26, 2015, 06:16:49 am »
Drag about printers being such a pain in the ass. Nonetheless, I look forward to seeing the finished product!

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Additional pointless drama has ensued.

This thing is worth maybe 2% of our grade. At this point I have checked out completely.

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A tactic that I have been using pretty successfully for the last few years, and one that I think works really well when I want to engage in one of those conversations, is to check my own damn privilege.

It's weird how many people who throw out the "check your privilege" line are unwilling to actually do it themselves. Garbo comes to mind; when her privilege was brought up, she left the board rather than examine it.

When I asked her about hiking on land that had belonged to three specific Native American tribes, I was being stupid.

And that video she posted...CHRIST.   Hey, thanks for validating the "Gay panic defense", assholes!

That was so fucked up.

No doubt she went to surround herself with people who let her comfortably deny her own privilege rather than challenging her. Growth is uncomfortable.

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Literate Chaotic / Re: Don't Break The Chain
« on: February 25, 2015, 11:15:10 pm »
Delivery yes, but...

from what I understand, stand-up is an art form, and the starting point to being good at it is to die on stage a bunch of times. That's how you find out what works and what doesn't. Then, you refine each of those nuggets you've dug out and melt them in a BIG FUCKING POT.

Find out what hits them in the gut, where they're weak, and then exploit that shit for  :lulz:

Exactly... like writing, music, art, science, and pretty much everything else worth doing, first you have to suck at it a whole lot in order to get any better. You just keep sucking, and sucking, and sucking until this one time you suck a little less, and then eventually you get to a point where you hardly suck at all.

If you aren't willing to suck at it as hard as you can, you'll never give yourself a chance to get good.

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Discordian Recipes / Re: Cooking with LMNO
« on: February 25, 2015, 11:12:23 pm »
I think I need to go to the store for a chicken quarter now.

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Discordian Recipes / Re: Cooking with LMNO
« on: February 25, 2015, 11:11:44 pm »
A friend of mine made some chicken sausage a while back that was just chicken thighs, cilantro, onion, ginger, jalapeno, and salt, and it was fucking stupendous. I could have eaten pounds of it.

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