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Apple Talk / Re: ITT, I am in desperate financial straits...
« on: November 21, 2009, 05:56:24 am »
not entirely sure how it works but some national guard jobs aren't necessarily killing, i was looking at warehouse specialist i cant get a guarantee that i wouldn't end up counting bullets and moving boxes in Iraq but i think (totally not positive) they wouldn't send you on patrol.... so you wouldn't be expected to kill unless your warehouse (or kitchen if you are a cook) came under attack...

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Sure, if they're gonna be there, and protect anyone, why not children?


the effect that eating fast food every day has on people is BAD.

we should outlaw fast food. for the children

the effect that unplanned pregnancies and STDs have on people is BAD.

we should outlaw unprotected sex.for the children

the effect that regressive social policies have on people is BAD.

we should outlaw voting republican. for the children

ad infinitum.

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Apple Talk / Re: <-<Link to a great fucking song>->
« on: November 21, 2009, 02:39:15 am »
:ahem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiJ2E0xGOv8


Kool Keith and Tom Waits.

Kool Keith and Tom Waits.

Kool Keith and Tom Waits.

Kool Keith and Tom Waits.

KOOL KEITH AND TOM WAITS.

KOOL KEITH AND TOM WAITS.

KOOL KEITH AND TOM WAITS.

KOOL KEITH AND TOM WAITS.
  yes yoinked to share

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Apple Talk / Re: ITT, I am in desperate financial straits...
« on: November 21, 2009, 12:18:54 am »
i talked to a recruiter due to desperation last year, and i didn't get past the promise that i could serve here (at home) but the national guard wont guarantee the promise and you get stationed where they decide...  you should talk to a recruiter even if its just for the LOLs,  i might have considered it more seriously if i wasn't to old and married, the weird thing is when i was young and single i didn't have the ability to put up with the BS and the following orders, now i am old and married that doesn't seem to be the hard part for some reason....

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Or Kill Me / Re: I sometimes curse my silliness...
« on: November 20, 2009, 06:16:11 pm »
  i saw it and still didn't put the joke together   :argh!:

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Apple Talk / Re: ATTN, RWHN:
« on: November 20, 2009, 05:43:32 pm »
seeing Rodger punning is raising my strauss level

Been done.  And there's no "d" in Roger.


damn

punning first thing in the morning is best left to the pros..

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Apple Talk / Re: ATTN, RWHN:
« on: November 20, 2009, 05:36:06 pm »
seeing Rodger punning is raising my strauss level

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: WingNutDaily's Idiotic Article of the Day
« on: November 20, 2009, 05:11:37 pm »
don't giggle at Al gore he speaks the truth... he is the man that invented the Internets and if he said the the core of the earth is a million degrees it is, and the humans are going to drowned from rising sea levels then it must be true...

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Or Kill Me / Re: I sometimes curse my silliness...
« on: November 19, 2009, 10:59:22 pm »
i have seen every picture on that link and stopped scrolling for a closer look on many of them, i have clicked on most if the links in the tools for tools thread as well,
that (and one man one jar) has either ruined my mind my humanity and my ability to experience horror... or not.... its tough to tell

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Apple Talk / Re: PBS: Brought to you by...
« on: November 19, 2009, 07:58:45 pm »
Ok I had no idea who monsanto was, but after doing a bit of wikiing, learned besides the bovine growth hormone thing, they produce GM food.

Ok, while I don't agree with bovine growth hormones, I hope you guys aren't bitching about this just because they're a GM company, or else I'll bitch slap you like the fucking hippies you are.

I've heard that their Roundup Resistant strains of corn, soy beans, etc.. have a way of finding their way of getting into crops of farmers who dont grow those strains, those farmers in turn have a way of being sued into the dark ages by the Monsanto corporation.

They're doing this with pigs now too.
and suing the dairy's for daring to say untreated milk (no GH) is better....

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I didn't say more adults would start using, though I do believe some would, I said more would possess it.  If it is legal to have marijuana there is no need to hide marijuana or to only buy as much as you are going to use.  There will be more access points for kids and those access points, because it is no longer illegal, will tend to have larger supplies.  I mean, look at alcohol and cigarettes.  Adults buy both by the cases and the cartons.  You think that would be different for marijuana?  
more would posses it ? any one who wants to have some does right now, and who buys only as much as they are going to use now? its a pain to go to the dealer a risk to bring it home  people would buy more and stash it because of prohibition...(or the amounts would be the same)


also responsible adults keep there adult drinks and smokes out of the kids hands, my dad hide his alcohol in plain site... in the bar... and we didn't get drunk off it just because it was possible, we did what the kids of people who raise there kids do and left it alone (and for good reason..)


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But that won't happen.  And even if it did, I again say it's like drilling a hole in my boat and handing me a bigger oar.  I'd rather not have the hole in my boat.  


But what you all seem to keep ignoring is what I keep bringing up.  The ills you listed can be addressed in policy reforms without legalizing the substance.  




no its not its a overly dramatic and poor analogy,  holes sink boats and paddling doesn't stop them from sinking no mater how big the oar is, kids already get drugs, the hole is there and always will be regardless of the law,  changing the law may increase the holes size by a small fraction, funding an education are the bailing bucket and and a bigger bailing bucket would allow you to get more water out or bail that small increase at the same rate of success...

as for "it wont happen!!!" and "it will happen with policy reform !!!"  WHY  both are going to be done by the same incompetent government at the direction of the same apathetic citizens why does "one works" and the other "wont happen"???


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fair enough. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on whether or not that would be worth the increased personal liberty for adults.

not being snarky either, if you're going to take the position that anything is worth decreasing the personal liberty of adults, protection of children is about the only reason I can think of that has any merit whatsoever.

You posited it before as a choice between liberty and security.

Another way to think about it is a choice between sacrificing the futures of a portion of our youth for the pleasure of a portion of our adults.  


its not just about pleasure though is it? i know i wont benefit i don't smoke pot, i am probability not the only one arguing the pro legalization/decriminalization who is a non smoker..

and how do I sacrifice anything? i am not suggesting the kids be abandoned or that they are not as important as you believe they are, i am in agreement with you there. i have said that with any change of the law, improving funding for programs and education are necessary

the question is do the harms you see "sacrificing youth" (even worst case scenario funding and education remaining the same) outweigh the loss of liberty (something i hold very very dear) plus all the other costs of prohibition that we have been listing? i suspect they don't, prohibition and the violence and corruption the black market creates, the cost to the tax payer arresting and prosecution and prisons just to name a few, are a high cost to pay, especially if the sacrifice you talk about can be headed off by the funding and education we both would suggest (not saying it would be easy to get or that it wouldn't require a fight but i believe it could be done)





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Apple Talk / Re: NIGEL IS DRUNK
« on: November 19, 2009, 05:45:18 am »

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Texas bans all marriage.
« on: November 19, 2009, 05:18:47 am »
i wonder if some wise ass office worker made an edit before making the copies that got passed and dropped the "not consisting of any pair not made up of one man and one woman " from the end of the sentence "may not create or recognize any legal status identical or similar to marriage."

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