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Apple Talk / Re: An international conspiracy
« on: November 17, 2009, 08:26:17 pm »
I really don't care how hard you try to make life for me here. I came here to help you with raids, not argue about music. But as in every forum I join, it became something big as usual.


"as usual"  is a sign the problem is with you and you bring it everywhere you go.... not that every body else in the world has a taste in music that is inferior to yours..

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Apple Talk / Re: An international conspiracy
« on: November 17, 2009, 08:13:31 pm »


also, pretty sure this guy is a troll. No one could actually be this stupid.

i have so lost faith in humanity i do believe many of them actually are that stupid...

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Apple Talk / Re: An international conspiracy
« on: November 17, 2009, 08:10:37 pm »
pretentious opinions and a expensive degrees are important status symbols that we should all recognize and pay homage to.. oh tell us oh wise one what we should be listening to to be cool and hip like you...

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Apple Talk / Re: An international conspiracy
« on: November 17, 2009, 07:47:21 pm »
Reverend Latchingdon, all I'm doing is using your own argument against you.

It's a win-win situation, you see.  Either you disagree with my statement, in which case your own statement which I was mirroring is equally invalid, or else you have to agree with my statement, which disagrees with your earlier comments.

Either way, you see, you are hoisted on your own musically ignorant petard.

if something this obvious needs to be explained  :argh!:

do we really need to work this hard to show an idiot what an idiot he is? WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO

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000, it's fine to try.  Striving to make the world a better place is great.

But again, RWHN is the only person dealing with what's happening right now.

Yes, but I don't think we were exclusively talking about what RWHN is doing, were we? I mean, not everything is related to RWHN's job? (if only for the fact that he focuses on Maine, USA)

You might not have been; I was.  Every time he talks about his job, he gets jumped on by the rest of the board with spurious and utopian objections, which ignore what he actually does, the reasons why he does it, and the information he has gathered in the process.
 
his experience has made the debate interesting, with out it it would just be an agreement, i don't think anyone is intentionally disrespectful of what he does, we are debating the conclusion that pot must be illegal, doors kicked in lives wrecked by prohibition because of the bad shit he sees and tries to fix..
-also not all of us arguing on the pro side are having "pipe dreams"..
 

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Apple Talk / Re: I AM THE WORLD'S MOST AMAZING CHEF.
« on: November 17, 2009, 03:30:30 am »
well it is now .. thanks alot ippy...






(i broke a bone in my pinky toe boiling water for mac and cheese)sad and true...

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"The big misconception is that most furries are mainly obsessed with sex," says Mr Wolf. "While there is pornography in the fandom - 'yiff' as it is known - it is only a small part."

You know, the fact that it isn't all about sex just makes it EVEN MORE creepy.  If it was just about getting a piece of tail, I would probably understand. Kinda weird, but I get it. The fact that most furries "identify" with their animal persona means that they have something wrong in their head.
  most furries freak out if you refer to it as sexual or mention yiffing, making them even funnier and easier to troll than they already are.... as impossible as that may seem

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Apple Talk / Re: I AM THE WORLD'S MOST AMAZING CHEF.
« on: November 17, 2009, 01:07:11 am »
i have a topper but am to embarrassed to say...

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Also, it seems that the basic bone of contention between RWHN and myself and/or Rat is that RWHN seems to be taking the position that the need to keep adolescents from fucking up their development with recreational drug use trumps the need of adults to be able to make their own choices and not be persecuted/prosecuted for them until they have a direct negative impact on the lives of others whereas rat and I seem to be taking the position that while adolescent drug use is unfortunate and should be actively discouraged by any reasonable means, it's not a justification for blanket prohibition that criminalizes the recreational behavior of adults.
           -this sums it up very well
           -i am not even remotely angry or emotional i too find it an interesting debate
           -i don't smoke pot or do drugs, in order for it to do me any good the passing of new pot laws need to be transported back in time 10 to 15 years ( which i am in favor of)
           

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after prohibition the amount of under age drinking did not go into a steep climb that didn't stop till all kids became alcoholics, i don't think the increase in availability will create such a steep climb in drug use either and if it does cause an increase there are better and more effective ways to combat it than prohibition (criminalization ) of pot, such as tough penalty's for dealing to kids prohibiting advertising and educating kids for example

Well you can rest assured that if it ever were to come to fruition that marijuana was going to be legalized that I'd be in the thick of it to make sure some very severe penalties were in place for anyone dealing to minors.  And make no mistake that WILL be the case if it is ever legalized.  People will still be going to jail because of marijuana.  It will just be for different crimes.  And that would mean a father supplying his son would be going to jail.  An aunt supplying her niece would be going to jail.  So understand that legalization will have some consequences for users. 
and it absolutely should have some consequences and those laws would (hopefully) be fair and based on real harm being done to others and not on fear and punishing responsible adults for things they do to themselves..

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legalizing pot will decrease the problems caused by the jack boots, and possibly alter the problems the drug itself causes but not in a way that makes rwhns job impossible, and while they (drug workers) are understandably convinced by the drug war information they get, that legalization will make there job impossible or much harder i suspect the opposite may be true

Based upon what evidence?  

you say your job will be much harder to impossible...
Based upon what evidence?

i cant say with any certainty (i used the words "i suspect" for a reason) -  alcohol is the best example of the benefits of doing away with prohibition the trouble caused by alcohol being illegal (cop raids, smuggling bad quality booze killing people, gang wars, political and police corruption etc etc) all decreased when prohibition was repealed, the problems of alcohol abuse are not impossible to deal with today because of it being repealed, and i suspect (no citation) the fact that its not a crime that gets you thrown in jail makes getting people to admit they have a problem easier than it would be if they were breaking the law to feed their addiction,
 after prohibition the amount of under age drinking did not go into a steep climb that didn't stop till all kids became alcoholics, i don't think the increase in availability will create such a steep climb in drug use either and if it does cause an increase there are better and more effective ways to combat it than prohibition (criminalization ) of pot, such as tough penalty's for dealing to kids prohibiting advertising and educating kids for example

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TITCPSM

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It would be fine and dandy if whether or not driving stoned or buzzed impacted only said person's life and their life only.  When it has the potential to impact (literally) the lives of other, then, in my blunt and honest opinion, it's fucked up.  Why take chances? 

So then you're fine with people getting stoned as long as they don't drive or operate heavy machinery? That seems reasonable to me.

Of course, that brings up the question... should you tip your dealer? (To keep this from thread drift).

My answer is Yes, you should pack a bowl out of the bag you bought and smoke him or her up.

i disagree, back in the "stone-age" it was customary for the dealer to pack one with his customers not the other way round, some traditions shouldn't be changed    :wink:

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i am with rip city on this one - prohibition laws are contrary to the ideals of the country
i don't doubt that some harm is done by pot but DEA propaganda or DEA jack boots cant be the best way to help those with the problems,

 legalizing pot will decrease the problems caused by the jack boots, and possibly alter the problems the drug itself causes but not in a way that makes rwhns job impossible, and while they (drug workers) are understandably convinced by the drug war information they get, that legalization will make there job impossible or much harder i suspect the opposite may be true

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out law camp fires
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Wood smoke contains numerous toxic substances, including known carcinogens, such as polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, aldehydes, carbon monoxide, and tine organic particles. Based on epidemiological studies in children, wood smoke has implicated in increasing respiratory illnesses. Controlled studies on mice and rats have confirmed such associations. In one study, carried out by EPA (Enviroment Protection Agency scientists, a group of mice was exposed to wood smoke for six hours, a second group was exposed to the emissions from an oil furnace, and a third group (the control group) was not exposed to any type of smoke or emissions. All of the mice were then exposed to an air-borne bacteruim which causes respiratory infections. After sex weeks only 5% of the mice in the control group and in the group exposed to oil emissions had died of the infection, whereas 21% of the mice exposed to the wood smoke had died. Independent studies undertaken at New York University School of Medicine using rats exposed to wood smoke and respiratory pathogens (such as the bacterium staphylococcus aureus) showed similar results. Based on such data, the researchers are convinced of the potential health associated with breathing wood smoke.


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