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Messages - ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S.

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Apple Zone / Re: Can we talk about me now? (Open bar thread #3,494)
« on: October 25, 2012, 07:10:22 pm »
So, I go to the doctor to talk about last week's test results today.

He tells me, due to my impaired fasting glucose levels, I've got a percent chance of developing diabetes over the next 5 years. Unless I change my diet and exercise routine. I tell him what I've been doing.

I say, I've cut all sugary fruits out of my diet. He says, no, you shouldn't do that, sugary fruits are fine to keep in, they're full of nutrients.

I say, for example, bananas in the morning have been a bad idea for me. He says, that doesn't make sense, bananas are mostly starch.

I say, bread is also a problem, and I've been eating wheat bread. He says, wheat bread should be fine.

I tell him, potatoes on the other hand don't seem to be causing me problems. He says, that doesn't make any sense, potatoes have a high glycemic index.

So, basically, everything I've been learning from paying attention to my body, my moods and my blood sugar levels, he throws back in my face with contradictory advice.

Then he hands me an article on lowering blood pressure with exercise. Which is hilarious, because my blood pressure is already quite low, and if it was lower I would start having problems. It's low enough that I have trouble getting enough blood to test myself.

I said thank you, walked out of there, and thought...was that at all useful? REALLY? DID I JUST WASTE MY TIME?!? What good advice he gave I was already doing, and the rest contradicted what I'm learning from experiment. So, basically, I'm done with this advice. DONE. I'mma listen to my body, and if I feel good and my blood sugar levels look good, then I'mma do it. Regardless of whatever self proclaimed expert says. DAMN.

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Apple Zone / Re: Mental Health Question
« on: October 25, 2012, 05:46:30 pm »
I've decided to revert my diet, as much as I can, to what I ate when I was living by myself when I was younger. It was possibly a slightly odd diet, but a very healthy one and I did well on it. I changed it when I married because my husband found it peculiar, but I don't have one of those anymore so I don't care. It was basically chicken, fish, beans, brown rice, berries, and vegetables, with occasional fruit and venison, and that's it.

Um, that's pretty much precisely what my doctor told me to eat.  Except take out venison, add turkey.

I forgot eggs.

But yeah, it's really healthy, but my husband thought brown rice and chicken for breakfast was weird, and didn't really understand the concept of eating the same thing three times a day until it was gone.

Fucking Americans.

No eggs. :(

But I never eat "breakfast food".  This morning's breakfast was mashed potatos and chicken sausage.

I don't understand "breakfast food". It makes no fucking sense to me.

Also, pancakes. A. they're disgusting, and B. IT'S CAKE. WITH SYRUP ON IT. WHAT THE SHIT THAT ISN'T A MEAL.

For me, breakfast food (especially eaten at other points in the day) was always potatoes, eggs, bacon, sausage, and wheat toast. Which isn't all that bad, especially since my cholesterol is fine and I omit the toast.

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Or Kill Me / Re: An Alphabet of Bullshit
« on: October 25, 2012, 05:42:53 pm »
Yes, except Yudowsky and LessWrong seem to actually update their beliefs when Instrumental Rationality "aka Winning" does not produce the results they want.  This is in direct contrast to most people, who decide to then double down on their beliefs when the results they do not want occur, and is due to their focus on epistemic rationality.

Instrumental Rationality which does not produce results it could be argued is not True Instrumental Rationality, but then we're getting into No True Scotsman territory.  How Instrumental Rationality tends to be used is by...well, Erich Ludendorff.

Ah, I see. I'm having a distinct disconnect between the concept of instrumental rationality as I know it, and the term instrumental rationality as is used in this thread. The difference between a concept and a term. It's jarring. Or maybe I'm still confused.

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Apple Zone / Re: Mental Health Question
« on: October 25, 2012, 04:09:14 pm »
SCIENCE!

And it's the sort of science that /anyone/ with an ounce of self discipline and a blood glucose monitor can do.

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Or Kill Me / Re: An Alphabet of Bullshit
« on: October 25, 2012, 04:02:39 pm »
I is for Instrumental Reason

An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason.
- C. S. Lewis

Instrumental reason; (noun) a way for philosophers to avoid a sense of responsibility

We live in an Age of Reason.  Much like a Dictatorship of the Proletariat or a self-regulating free market, Reason is a term which increasingly has to be rescued from its last defeat at the hands of a reality too cruel to care for its assertions and carefully contrived definitions.

These defeats have been many.  Applying reason to industry resulted in social tumult and dislocation.  Applying reason to the military has resulted in a century with more civilian and military deaths than any other in history.  Applying reason to education has resulted in a renewed, resurgent and ever more popular religious fundamentalist influence around the world.

Clearly, this is something of a problem.  If reason and rationality are not delivering as promised, there are only two possible reasons why:

1) there is something wrong with our conception of reason.  Since reason provides all the ANSWERS, questioning it in any way is the same as declaring we should go back to superstition and beating on logs.  That's not acceptable, so...
2) There is something wrong with the way we are using reason.  We're not trying hard enough to live up to what reason promises we can, so we need to identify the smaller area of reason that is leading us astray and then work from there on implementing pure rationality.

This smaller area of rationality that is failing us is, according to the philosophers, Instrumental Reason.  It's a kind of plebian form of reason which is debased by being applied to actual problems.  As every good Kantian knows, Reason exists as a pure and philosophical concept, unsullied by contact with reality, and Instrumental Rationality is to blame for all our ills.

If one follows this logic, this actually ends up undermining reason entirely, since Instrumental Reason has an awful tendency to go wrong, and Pure Reason actually doesn't help at all. 

Though often blamed on Max Weber, this division of reason can in fact be traced back to Aristotle, meaning Instrumental Reason is in fact a form of SCHOLASTICISM, a bad habit best left to medieval times.

I'm still a bit confused by this. Is instrumental reason synonymous with Yudowskian "instrumental rationality"?

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Apple Zone / Re: Mental Health Question
« on: October 25, 2012, 03:53:00 pm »
Kai - Understanding that my blood sugar was funky transformed my life in 2 weeks. I'm rail thin and my body is thermally inefficient, throwing off lots of heat all the time. As such, I've always leaned towards the hypoglycaemic. When you add persistent stress to an already finicky blood sugar balance, I was all over the place. The stress spiked/crashed my blood sugar and then I ate stuff that continued to amplify the spikes which lead to spectacular crashing.

Think I mentioned it above, but if anyone is getting anxious & panicky and they think it might have some nutritional component, then check Potatoes Not Prozac. I love this book because the info changed my life rapidly & dramatically as well as keeping me out of therapy and off medication. Obviously, that's not going to be the case for everyone, but I always recommend it to people because there may be simple steps they can employ that potentially, can have a huge impact. Having read this book and understood the patterns I had, I realized that they were also present in other members of my family. That was especially useful to know.

I've known for a long time that I have a tendency to go hypoglycemic, but it wasn't till last week that I started seeing massive spiking as well. I've known the anger/irritation connection, but hadn't considered stress as well.

I've distinctly noticed that, while most kinds of fruit and bread spike my blood sugar, potatoes and oats don't. I'm kind of disinclined to take dietary advice from anyone except my doctor right now, but what you have said of that book makes sense in my experience.

The stress response will spike the blood sugar. Here's some notes from a presentation I do on stress management:

1.   Hypothalamus and pituitary, the body’s master gland, trigger the ‘fight or flight’ mechanism.
2.   Pupils of your eyes widen to let in more light.
3.   Mouth becomes dry as saliva production shuts down.
4.   Heart rate quickens to increase blood supply to the muscles.
5.   Breathing speeds up to increase oxygen intake.
6.   Sugar and fat is released from the liver for energy.
7.   Muscles tense ready for action and release lactic acid into the bloodstream.
8.   Blood leaves the frontal lobes of the brain and digestive organs.
9.   Sweating increases and temperature falls.
10.   Adrenal glands release stress hormones, adrenaline and noradrenalin.
11.   Subcutaneous fat is released into the blood stream to provide more energy.
12.   Bowels and kidneys decrease output so body is ready for action.
13.   Blood sugar rises, pulse rate increases, blood pressure rises, and calcium is metabolized.
14.   Too much sugar in the system. Hyperglycemic alarm.
15.   Pancreas releases insulin to balance blood sugar level.
16.   Blood sugar level drops suddenly.
17.   Shocks the system.
18.   Converts sugars to fats.
19.   Can form gallstones and lines the arteries.
20.   Mental processes affected behavioral change.
21.   Aggression, confusion, depression.
22.   Structural faults develop through reflex muscle imbalance.

Our 'stress response' evolved to be a short term reply to immediate physical threat. You're walking along, you see a lion or whatever in your peripheral vision and voila - you either fight the lion, escape the lion or get eaten (or a combination of all three!). The quirky devil that is 'mother nature' made us one of the only animals to persistently trigger our alarm mechanism, not by external, short term, physical threats but by psychologically dwelling on 'possible threats'. When triggered periodically, it's not an issue. The trouble lay in persistently firing the response and having no useful outlet for it. This causes a problematic adaptation - our sympathetic alarm system gets triggered too often for too long and then has problem getting back into a normal state.

What you described re: food is exactly what I learned from the book. As a kid I used to eat poorly and be really into sugar. What I discovered later was that I wasn't getting enough protein and that I needed to take carbohydrates in more complex forms that didn't break down as fast. Simple carbs will spike the blood sugar more readily in hypoglycaemics than it will in other people. I avoid sugary things, anything with a lot of white & refined flours because they seem to shock the body in the same way. I cut my caffeine intake and I never EVER drink coffee on an empty stomach.

Whole grains, brown bread, spuds etc break down a lot slower and obviously, no one ever got a sugar hit out of broccoli! Here's a useful tip from the book that I've used for years. Check the nutrition label of any food you pick up. Look at the part that says 'Carbohydrate' and then look at the part that says 'of which is sugar'. If the second number is more than 1/3 of the total carb amount, it's got too many simple carbs and it's liable to spike you.

I don't blame you for being wary about dietary advice. I was too because there's a lot of stupid books out there, especially ones geared towards weight loss. I don't think there's anything in the book that would conflict with your Drs advice or your scientific sensibilities  :)

The problem is also that many Drs. have their own pet project they turn into books, that ends up being their end all solution to all dietary needs ever. Which means that most dietary books contradict each other in some way. Here you see you should limit your animal protein and fat intake. Here, no, it's the sugar from fruits and breads you need to limit. Here, beans are excellent for you. Here, beans are to be avoided. And you have the followers, who preach the goodness of that diet as if it were religion. So, I'm going to run self experiments. I have a relatively good handle on what's going on in my body if I pay attention. And I have a glucose tester. So, what I have to do is follow the Buddha's advice and test these claims, throwing out the stuff that doesn't work. Since everyone's tolerance is different, I have to self-tailor my diet. Otherwise I end up with something that doesn't fit right.

What I've found so far is, caffeine is an issue (even green tea). As is not sleeping well or enough. Alcohol, in the evening, is not, as long as it's low in sugar; I shouldn't drink beer but red wine is more than fine. Butter is like a godsend. It has a lot of calories but it's almost all fat, which burns slow, and doesn't spike my blood sugar at all. I can't do bananas, or other sweet fruits (even some apples), but blackberries, raspberries, and blueberries are just fine. Whole wheat bread and buckwheat noodles are fine as long as I eat spaced out small portions, but any more than that and it's too much. Water is a funny one. If I keep my blood sugar low, I can get by on drinking a liter of water a day. But if it's high, I need 2 or 3 times that amount. This isn't counting the water I get from foods. Brown Rice: I can eat a bunch of it and it doesn't bother me at all, especially with the collard greens I'm usually eating along with it.

And some of the above probably won't work for most other people.

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Apple Zone / Re: Mental Health Question
« on: October 25, 2012, 01:32:18 am »
Kai - Understanding that my blood sugar was funky transformed my life in 2 weeks. I'm rail thin and my body is thermally inefficient, throwing off lots of heat all the time. As such, I've always leaned towards the hypoglycaemic. When you add persistent stress to an already finicky blood sugar balance, I was all over the place. The stress spiked/crashed my blood sugar and then I ate stuff that continued to amplify the spikes which lead to spectacular crashing.

Think I mentioned it above, but if anyone is getting anxious & panicky and they think it might have some nutritional component, then check Potatoes Not Prozac. I love this book because the info changed my life rapidly & dramatically as well as keeping me out of therapy and off medication. Obviously, that's not going to be the case for everyone, but I always recommend it to people because there may be simple steps they can employ that potentially, can have a huge impact. Having read this book and understood the patterns I had, I realized that they were also present in other members of my family. That was especially useful to know.

I've known for a long time that I have a tendency to go hypoglycemic, but it wasn't till last week that I started seeing massive spiking as well. I've known the anger/irritation connection, but hadn't considered stress as well.

I've distinctly noticed that, while most kinds of fruit and bread spike my blood sugar, potatoes and oats don't. I'm kind of disinclined to take dietary advice from anyone except my doctor right now, but what you have said of that book makes sense in my experience.

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Or Kill Me / Re: An Alphabet of Bullshit
« on: October 25, 2012, 01:10:27 am »
I'm learning, and being challenged at the same time. Excellent.

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Apple Zone / Re: Mental Health Question
« on: October 23, 2012, 08:28:57 pm »
I hit the bookstore and started checking out books on stress & anxiety. I made alterations to my diet (Potatoes Not Prozac - great read) and began training myself with anti-anxiety techniques. Have to say that the diet change caused the most significant shift at first. So much so that people were saying to me "What the hell happened to you? You are soooo different now!". Discovering that my blood sugar spiking/crashing was contributing to the anxiety  gave me the space to analyze why I was feeling anxious, how to recognize the onset of an episode and how to moderate it. I realized that for me, managing this was a skill that required a few fuck ups and plenty of practise.

Oh. OHHHHHHHHH. *total light goes on moment*

Well, that certainly explains some things. I thought it was just irritation and anger. Looks like I need to pay more attention.

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Apple Zone / Re: Roger Experiences High Culture, Behaves Badly.
« on: October 23, 2012, 01:36:27 pm »
Amazing. I would have done this myself, if I got up the courage. This is the way to crash pretentiousness with class.

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Apple Zone / Re: Can we talk about me now? (Open bar thread #3,494)
« on: October 20, 2012, 12:41:25 am »
Well, I got the test done. I was right, it wasn't the pain at all. Compared to my sciatica in the summer of 2007, most pain is minor in comparison. It was all about the needles, and once it was in I was fine. And I just got the test results back this morning. My mother drove all the way down here by herself to be here with me. My fasting glucose levels were 104 that morning, which is higher than it should be (normal range is 70-100). So, it was borderline, but at least my pancreas is still making insulin, which is a complete relief. I'm also feeling a lot better, eating smaller meals, cutting all fruit except berries out of my diet, no caffeine, no alcohol, and definitely no simple sugars.

Though, I feel exhausted. My mother is a whirlwind right now. She's coming down from mania associated with a huge festival she put on last week, and it is sort of driving me nuts. But I'm glad she's here.

Anyway, I probably just need to make these dietary changes and check my blood sugar at home every so often. *huge deep breath*

I'm so glad it's not full-blown diabetes! I hope it turns out to be easily controlled through careful diet.

It sure looks that way. I've got an appointment for next Thursday to talk more about the results. Also, apparently my protein levels were "a little tweaked", whatever that means. No idea if that's worrying or not; the person on the phone couldn't give me any further explanation, which bothered me. Might mean I have some protein deficiency issue, which is easily solved. :)

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Apple Zone / Re: Can we talk about me now? (Open bar thread #3,494)
« on: October 19, 2012, 04:57:28 pm »
Well, I got the test done. I was right, it wasn't the pain at all. Compared to my sciatica in the summer of 2007, most pain is minor in comparison. It was all about the needles, and once it was in I was fine. And I just got the test results back this morning. My mother drove all the way down here by herself to be here with me. My fasting glucose levels were 104 that morning, which is higher than it should be (normal range is 70-100). So, it was borderline, but at least my pancreas is still making insulin, which is a complete relief. I'm also feeling a lot better, eating smaller meals, cutting all fruit except berries out of my diet, no caffeine, no alcohol, and definitely no simple sugars.

Though, I feel exhausted. My mother is a whirlwind right now. She's coming down from mania associated with a huge festival she put on last week, and it is sort of driving me nuts. But I'm glad she's here.

Anyway, I probably just need to make these dietary changes and check my blood sugar at home every so often. *huge deep breath*

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Apple Zone / Re: Can we talk about me now? (Open bar thread #3,494)
« on: October 17, 2012, 11:07:57 pm »
Been having a scare for the past several days. Huge blood sugar spikes after eating, partnered with thirst and increased urination, along with other things. I tried to get a blood test done this morning, but due to my major needle phobia I couldn't do it. Trying again tomorrow, telling the nurse I need help getting through that. I have to get this checked out. These are the same symptoms my father had at this age, when he contracted type 1 diabetes. Yes, it can after childhood, and I am not in any way at risk for type 2. My parents were planning on coming down in another week, but due to this they've moved it forward and are going to get here this weekend. This is major scary shit for me, as I was telling Phox and my mom over the phone just a while ago and crying. This is like something out of my worst nightmares. I don't usually post these things on here, but I just feel like I need to say something because I'm so afraid of all of this.

In before "F*CK YOU, MY KAI DIED OF DIABETUS".

Kai, please get this sorted ASAP. Please please please don't put it off. Even if it means you need to be given a Xanax before you can get pricked. Type 1 diabetes is a pain in the ass, but it's controllable and you can live a perfectly normal healthy life with it. The horrible bad shit that happens with it is because people let it get out of control, especially pre-diagnosis. I am sure your ACTUAL MOTHER has already covered all of this and I should shut up but I can't help it.

Yeah, she's covered it. I want to get back to research, and won't really be able to until this is solved. So I'm on it.

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Apple Zone / Re: Can we talk about me now? (Open bar thread #3,494)
« on: October 17, 2012, 09:43:24 pm »
Been having a scare for the past several days. Huge blood sugar spikes after eating, partnered with thirst and increased urination, along with other things. I tried to get a blood test done this morning, but due to my major needle phobia I couldn't do it. Trying again tomorrow, telling the nurse I need help getting through that. I have to get this checked out. These are the same symptoms my father had at this age, when he contracted type 1 diabetes. Yes, it can after childhood, and I am not in any way at risk for type 2. My parents were planning on coming down in another week, but due to this they've moved it forward and are going to get here this weekend. This is major scary shit for me, as I was telling Phox and my mom over the phone just a while ago and crying. This is like something out of my worst nightmares. I don't usually post these things on here, but I just feel like I need to say something because I'm so afraid of all of this.

In before "F*CK YOU, MY KAI DIED OF DIABETUS".

Aw, that fucking blows, Kai.

I just want it to be nothing, a sudden illness that will go away. If it is what I fear, I definitely will be getting a pump. I cannot do needles 5 times a day. Too many bad childhood experiences.

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Apple Zone / Re: Can we talk about me now? (Open bar thread #3,494)
« on: October 17, 2012, 09:38:28 pm »
Been having a scare for the past several days. Huge blood sugar spikes after eating, partnered with thirst and increased urination, along with other things. I tried to get a blood test done this morning, but due to my major needle phobia I couldn't do it. Trying again tomorrow, telling the nurse I need help getting through that. I have to get this checked out. These are the same symptoms my father had at this age, when he contracted type 1 diabetes. Yes, it can after childhood, and I am not in any way at risk for type 2. My parents were planning on coming down in another week, but due to this they've moved it forward and are going to get here this weekend. This is major scary shit for me, as I was telling Phox and my mom over the phone just a while ago and crying. This is like something out of my worst nightmares. I don't usually post these things on here, but I just feel like I need to say something because I'm so afraid of all of this.

In before "F*CK YOU, MY KAI DIED OF DIABETUS".

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