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Discordian Recipes / Re: IRON CHEF SUU - BATTLE OF THE MARINADE BAGS 2008
« on: October 06, 2008, 02:33:21 am »
Suu,

I just wanted to let you know, I used your marinade recipie tonight and the steak came out awesome.

Thank you.

~Kai

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: To crap with the Chevy Volt
« on: October 06, 2008, 02:27:11 am »
Oh, this is interesting.

http://earthanet.com/2008/01/28/plasma-arc-gasification-turning-garbage-into-gas/

Garbage into energy. 

they turn trash into energy at a plant near where I live.

the people downwind of it have the most justifiable case of NIMBY ever.

Yeah, just think of all those VOC's and toxic/heavy metal particulates raining down on the countryside or the oceans.

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: Air to Water Dehumidifiers?
« on: October 06, 2008, 02:23:58 am »
Weirdly, I only know this because I just had this conversation with one of my two best friends, who is a doctor of chemistry. We were actually discussing that bottled water that has extra ions added and LOLing ourselves sick over the pseudo-scientifical jargon all over the label.
Is that SmartWater?

I think that's the brand! Hilarious.

Kai, unless you are malnourished or drink too much water, you would be perfectly alright drinking distilled water, although honestly I think it tastes disgusting and no one should drink it.

I'm pretty underweight. From a health related standpoint I don't think I can afford to drink distilled water.

I've taken physiology and understand osmotic potential. I also understand the what and why of ionic nutrition in your body, that is, why you need potassium and chlorine and sodium and calcium and magnesium. Though you may be able to live off distilled water, I would hold that evolutionarily, our physiology is not optimized for it.

Of course, nor is our physiology optimized for most of modern civilization.

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: To crap with the Chevy Volt
« on: October 05, 2008, 11:42:13 pm »
Huh.  Okay, and I assume that includes storm drains too?

Output of storm drains is untreated, it is simply piped to the nearest stream or lake.

Right, so those storm pipes could possibly be used to generate power?

Especially if you designed a storm drain system that was meant to generate the most possible power. 

It could work. Would be event driven however. Only useful in the wettest climates.

In such wet climates, what with there being a river right there and all, and it would take such a quantity of stormwater routed together in a completely revamped drainage system, it might make more sense to just build hydroelectric plants right at the riv... oh, wait.

Right. I was just considering whether it could work, not whether it made sense.

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: Air to Water Dehumidifiers?
« on: October 05, 2008, 11:39:42 pm »
Alright.

I guess its still a good idea I don't drink distilled water. I don't eat a massive amount.

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: Air to Water Dehumidifiers?
« on: October 05, 2008, 09:17:39 pm »
What's wrong with distilled water?

Because it lacks ions, it has a tendency to cause decline in concentration in tissues over time, especially bones. In metaphorical terms, since distilled water has nothing in it, it acts like an ion magnet, drawing ions downgradient out of cells.

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: To crap with the Chevy Volt
« on: October 05, 2008, 09:14:40 pm »
Huh.  Okay, and I assume that includes storm drains too?

Output of storm drains is untreated, it is simply piped to the nearest stream or lake.

Right, so those storm pipes could possibly be used to generate power?

Especially if you designed a storm drain system that was meant to generate the most possible power. 

It could work. Would be event driven however. Only useful in the wettest climates.

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: Air to Water Dehumidifiers?
« on: October 05, 2008, 08:42:14 pm »
http://www.elementfour.com/

A device that extracts potable water from thin air.

I'm skeptical, myself.  Anyone heard of these or seen them work?

I don't know about potable water but my parents have been using dehumidifiers for years. The problem is of course that A) it takes energy to draw humidity out of the air, usually by cooling a series of coils, and B) you have to have enough moisture in the air so there is a gradient. It also doesn't work well below certain temperatures.

Oh, and I forgot, its also distilled water, which is not healthy over extended periods.

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: To crap with the Chevy Volt
« on: October 05, 2008, 08:38:37 pm »
Huh.  Okay, and I assume that includes storm drains too?

Output of storm drains is untreated, it is simply piped to the nearest stream or lake.

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: To crap with the Chevy Volt
« on: October 05, 2008, 06:42:26 pm »
yeah, it's called "hydroelectric power".

 :lulz:

Incidentally, I had an idea.  I'm obviously no engineer, but what's stopping us from getting hydroelectric from certain city sewer systems?

Mostly that sewage treatment already uses massive amounts of electricity for water pumping but even more so for aeration tanks, settling pools, and other aspects. Its an energy intensive process, and any down slope movement is slowed by settling pools, aeration tanks, mechanical (both passive and active) particulate removal, etc.

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: Powerlessness fuels superstitions
« on: October 05, 2008, 03:58:04 pm »
Why don't newspapers ever link to the article in question, or even give its name?
You mean this paper? 

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/322/5898/115

I can't read it since I don't have a subscription to Science magazine but you can probably see it since you are at a college.
Oh yeah, my college is ran by assholes who won't subscribe to Science or Nature.  Never mind that we have sizable biology, biochemistry, and chemistry programs.

Not even the library?  We used to have a problem with Resnet not getting subscribed journals, but they fixed out the program by putting the library and resnet on the same system.  It might be also worth checking sites like JSTOR to see if they have archived it at all.

Yeah, it doesn't quite make sense that your uni library wouldn't at least have hard copies.

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: Powerlessness fuels superstitions
« on: October 05, 2008, 03:23:01 pm »
Why don't newspapers ever link to the article in question, or even give its name?
You mean this paper? 

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/322/5898/115

I can't read it since I don't have a subscription to Science magazine but you can probably see it since you are at a college.
Oh yeah, my college is ran by assholes who won't subscribe to Science or Nature.  Never mind that we have sizable biology, biochemistry, and chemistry programs.

Thats pretty sad considering Science is the most prestigious science journal in the world.

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: To crap with the Chevy Volt
« on: October 05, 2008, 03:20:40 pm »
yeah, it's called "hydroelectric power".

 :lulz:

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Or Kill Me / Re: Day by Day
« on: October 04, 2008, 10:43:16 pm »
That was a cool piece of writing.


However, the title has now firmly locked into my mind that bit of Pabulum from "Godspell".


So I hate you.

Agreed a Cool peace of writing but what got stuck in my head was the theme song to Step by Step - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NpyGXErvpU

I thought Night and Day instead. Frank Sinatra much better than the above.

This is....this piece speaks to me. For one, if I could get my energy levels to where I want them, this is possibly how I would live, researching, thinking constantly, T'ai Chi Chu'an, Chi Gung, Ba Gua Chang, and drink green tea through it; reading, writing....fuck, why am I not living this right now? I could be a constant output of creativity, and yet I get stuck in the same daily ruts. I know I could do it, maintain the energy level of the above. Something needs to change.

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: To crap with the Chevy Volt
« on: October 04, 2008, 10:35:58 pm »
So far, I've said or at least tried to say that every clean energy source is at least right now only part of the solution.  Our energy is going to have to come from many sources.  Noone wants to live in a nation that  runs entirely on air power, for example.  Many solutions at once is the key.

And yeah, lifestyle too.  Not having people leave their computers on all night would help, for instance.  Still, I'd argue that the economy and the environment would benefit from solar roofing in some areas.  At very least it would reduce reliance on power companies.


Unfortunately we are economically and socially used to centralized power. Multi-source power is an idea you have to convince the public is good, and then furthermore convince them to have it going on in their neighborhood. Right now most people think of power plants as being something that is /over there somewhere/, and point in a general direction or say "well, everyone knows that the power comes from a power plant..." People don't know where their power comes from, they don't know where their water comes from and where their sewage goes. Most people don't care, as long as the prices stay low, the power keeps coming, and they don't have to feel the perceived direct environmental and aesthetic affects. When people start caring in large numbers and become mindful of such things then change will happen because with that will be lifestyle changes. Right now I don't see the slightest inclination toward such a movement. In fact, I see a movement towards corporatization of water and sewage, municipalities selling off their systems to the highest bidder, and then realizing years later the results that have come from the poor job that these corporations do (ie Atlanta).

I think you would find that its not "no one would want a nation run on wind" but rather more "not many care about our nation running on coal, as long as they don't have to see it out their window".

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