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Or Kill Me / Re: Reply to Emo Thread
« on: December 23, 2009, 07:45:05 pm »
I can't be arsed to bother following the intricacies of this overwhelmingly intelligent thread, but emo/scene/whatever you kids are calling your incessant need to be tacky about your stupid angst is indefensible and culturally worthless.

except for "scene-core" music, which is glorious.

Hey now, I'm not being tacky about my angst. That's all the other scene kids. I'm being tacky because I want to be cool like them. Because, you know, no one could ever honestly enjoy something other people don't see any purpose to.

Seriously though, I like scene fashion even though I hate the people. See that last guy you posted? That guy is probably an enormous twat. But I want that fucking hair. (Okay, not really. I want THIS hair.)

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Or Kill Me / Re: Reply to Emo Thread
« on: December 23, 2009, 06:30:05 pm »
Look who's talking, dude.  At least she didn't walk around with half her head shaved.  I fail to see how that's any weirder than "scene"...in fact, I'd say it WAS "scene".

I was talking about the huge overreacting response with sections in all-caps accusing me of saying her taste was bad because it was popular (which wasn't actually what I meant, though looking back it does look like it). And I wasn't hating scene for the weirdness so much as the sheer tackiness(hence my whole individuality post, as the only possible justification I can see for such horror is pursuit of individuality), though if you want to get technical, the difference between shaving half a head and scene is that there is no scene for having half a head shaved. The very definition of scene is that there's a scene for it. And my head only stayed like that for a few minutes. I don't even know why I did it in the first place anyway. I occasionally slip into fits of raving lunacy, and I did it during one of those.

Someone has never heard of R-Prime.

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Richard Nixon Presents: Alaska / Re: New Years goals
« on: December 23, 2009, 04:22:40 pm »
At least get this fucking game playable.

Stop being a sniveling little bitch and just be a bitch.

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Or Kill Me / Re: Reply to Emo Thread
« on: December 23, 2009, 04:01:35 pm »
Just need to note a few things

A: I don't give a shit if it's a uniform, it's a DAMN PRETTY uniform and I fuckin' LIKE it. Individuality is nice and all, but I like what I like and if individuality gets in the way of that shit, it can go eat Roger's sewage output.
B: I AM NOT PUTTING EFFORT INTO THIS. That implies time spent and money spent beyond what I would be spending normally. Fuck that shit. I get haircuts anyway, why not get haircuts I like? I get clothes anyway, why not get clothes I'd want to wear? It all works out to the same price in the end if I'm doing the damn shopping, is actually easier than finding something else I like (hence time saved) and I'm happy in the end. FUCK YOU FOR SAYING THAT I SHOULDN'T BE HAPPY BECAUSE WHAT I LIKE IS MORE POPULAR THAN MERZBOW AT A FRAT PARTY. BITCH.
C: I can't be assed GIVING A SHIT about how what I like is a business card that refers to the carrier as "I M DOUCHEBAG." I can't be assed caring if the fucking inbred assrabbits with necks so red you could COOK YOUR FUCKING BACON ON THEM in this area don't see me for who "I really am", whatever the fuck that is. I'm going to dress and act and listen to what the fuck I like and if you have a problem with it because it happens to be something that's popular, SHOVE THIS UP YOUR ASS.

</r-prime>

You're funny.

You're pretentious.

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Or Kill Me / Re: Reply to Emo Thread
« on: December 23, 2009, 03:11:03 pm »
Take it from someone who's seen "Emo" a thousand times under a thousand guises - it's teen angst practised by a bunch of children who are convinced they're the first ones who ever felt this way :lulz:

They're not by the way and history suggests they wont be the last

They'll only feel more entitled every time. THANK YOU SCHOOLING.

Cait,
needs to get drunk then go on PD in the morning more often.

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Or Kill Me / Re: Reply to Emo Thread
« on: December 23, 2009, 03:07:10 pm »
No, no, no, no, no.
I'm sorry, emo kids might be the nicest people in the world, but their culture sucks. Horribly. It's just so petty and shallow. I guess the same could be said of all teen subcultures, but...
Well, fuck, it could. And would be true. You don't need a subculture. You want individuality? Be an individual. The thing about the scene look is that it's a uniform. You may think you're sticking out, but consider all the effort that you're putting into looking "scene". People don't see you as you, they see you as a scene kid. Here's a homework assignment: Watch the movie SLC Punk! It's extremely relevant to the subject of subcultures and identity. It may change your whole perspective on things and it's fucking entertaining too.

Oh, and scene music is terrible.  :argh!:

Just need to note a few things

A: I don't give a shit if it's a uniform, it's a DAMN PRETTY uniform and I fuckin' LIKE it. Individuality is nice and all, but I like what I like and if individuality gets in the way of that shit, it can go eat Roger's sewage output.
B: I AM NOT PUTTING EFFORT INTO THIS. That implies time spent and money spent beyond what I would be spending normally. Fuck that shit. I get haircuts anyway, why not get haircuts I like? I get clothes anyway, why not get clothes I'd want to wear? It all works out to the same price in the end if I'm doing the damn shopping, is actually easier than finding something else I like (hence time saved) and I'm happy in the end. FUCK YOU FOR SAYING THAT I SHOULDN'T BE HAPPY BECAUSE WHAT I LIKE IS MORE POPULAR THAN MERZBOW AT A FRAT PARTY. BITCH.
C: I can't be assed GIVING A SHIT about how what I like is a business card that refers to the carrier as "I M DOUCHEBAG." I can't be assed caring if the fucking inbred assrabbits with necks so red you could COOK YOUR FUCKING BACON ON THEM in this area don't see me for who "I really am", whatever the fuck that is. I'm going to dress and act and listen to what the fuck I like and if you have a problem with it because it happens to be something that's popular, SHOVE THIS UP YOUR ASS.

</r-prime>

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now THAT'S good parenting.
a role model to us all I'm sure.

i mean how can it be that you can't control your 14 year old son?
what my mum did with me during that phase: told me to keep it quiet and then i could game as much as i wanted. eventually the sleep deprivation made me stop.

This. Also I have chronic sleeping problems to begin with. So Yeah.

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Or Kill Me / Re: Reply to Emo Thread
« on: December 18, 2009, 07:25:11 am »
Okay, JohNyx, so I read your answer to my post, it seems basically what happened is a misunderstanding of your original intent. I totally agree that these kids were full of themselves. I don't think that's going to go away though. I think it's only going to get worse.

As for what emo "is" -- I can't really say. It's not really a counterculture because it would LOVE to be completely mainstream. It's really sort of hard to define it because it's really just a group of kids who have sort of common musical tastes and won't tell you to suck it up when you start whining about insipid things.

Lastly, I get the feeling people here think I'm "scene" because I want to fit into that group. Let me tell you, it is the last group of human beings I want to be around. I only like the music and the fashion. The people are awful in ways I find hard to describe. I only know one scene kid who is bearable to be around, and she has some serious problems. (She's also my best friend IRL. Make of that what you will.)

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Or Kill Me / Re: Reply to Emo Thread
« on: December 18, 2009, 06:55:03 am »
BrokeNCYDE do SOME of those but they don't hit all of them (for example, no glam, no chiptunes, no pop-punk guitars). I'm talking about bands that hit every single genre I listed in a single song. Blood on the Dance Floor comes close, but they've never hit chiptunes.

Also, the bit you noticed was going on the assumption that these kids only like the fashion because it helps them fit in. It was a generalization, I realize that. I'm sure quite a few people in the group got in because they enjoyed it, and there's probably even a significant number of them somewhere who didn't have their egos pumped so full of wank that they could flatten entire civilizations by swinging them around. I haven't met those ones yet, though.

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Richard Nixon Presents: Alaska / Re: ATTN PAYNE
« on: December 17, 2009, 08:16:30 pm »
I hate Google, personally. I would like to see this Wave collapse--OH GOD THE PUN! I HAD TO, SORRY--really, fuck Google.

I haven't tried Wave, but I'm afraid it'll be really slow on my computer because of excessive Javascript crap, and of course not working in Opera. Cause that's what those Evil Google Bastards do.

Otherwise, if you think it's a good idea, I'm not stopping you. Maybe leering a littlebit.

I tried it. Not TOO slow but no, it doesn't work in opera.

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Or Kill Me / Re: Reply to Emo Thread
« on: December 17, 2009, 08:08:59 pm »
I'm only "scene" because I enjoy a lot of the music and I'm one of the only people on Earth who honestly enjoys the fashion. Overly flashy clothes, fucked up looking hair (man I can't wait till I can afford fucking highlights), appropriating the concept of bling from hip-hop and the gender ambiguity Nigel mentioned. FUCK YES. Unfortunately, almost all of the people are enormous self-important douchebags, and I get more kicks out of trolling them on MySpace then I do trying to be part of their clique.

Also, for those who read too far into my making no immediate distinction between scene and emo, there is a HUGE difference. For one, scene music is everything ever smashed into one damn genre. Glam rock, pop-punk, hardcore punk, hip-hop, rave, FUCKING CHIPTUNES -- I've heard all of them together in one song before. I may have to grab an example at some point, because it's fucking great.

The fashion is mostly connected to emo by the hair. Everything else about it is, as with the music, every pop culture style from the early 80s onward being welded together into SOMETHING UNSPEAKABLE. Look at the linked picture above. IT IS EVERYTHING. All he's missing is cowboy boots and a damn trucker hat. Really. Oh, you want cybergoth too? Same guy. How about stereotypical "metal"/"goth" fashion? There's a Dahvie Vanity pic for that. (Dahvie is the unofficial leader of scene.) It's the best thing EVER.

The main thing that IS the same between emo and scene is the people. They're all whiny douchebags and many scene kids are the same ones who were in the emo crowd.

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f'real...

what would that translate into for job?  do they use clay modeling like that for games?

Yes.

High-poly renders are usually done by hand, but when you need it done quick and dirty and you don't have an in-house Z Brush expert, there's what's called a character reference sheet. It's usually sketches, but I've seen sculptures used. It basically consists of three views of the model: back, front, side. You have to get really good pictures of your sculpture against a blank background, though.

You can feed these into stuff like Max and get a rough but pretty close approximation of your target object if using sculptures, or a nearly finished model if you're using sketches. In either case it's ready for touchup work by whatever poor sap gets that job.

In my experience, sculpture-based character reference sheets are rare, though, because of inferior quality (even slightly uneven lighting leads to UGLY bullshit). More likely a job with that would be for a company responsible for those resin statues, IMO.

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Or Kill Me / Reply to Emo Thread
« on: December 17, 2009, 12:35:44 pm »
This can be considered a response to Emo: The Symptom of our Decay started by JohNyx. If you haven't read it, go do so. It's a good read, IMO, and it's pretty much the entire thing that started my writing this.

I think it's important, first off, that I make it clear where I'm coming from. If you asked anyone who knew me IRL or had seen me on my cam before it broke horribly, the first word out of their mouths you'd get is "scene". Scene is an offshoot of emo that's less about discontent in general and more about giant egos* (if you go by JohNyx's philosophical interpretation of emo, which, as I'll get to soon, I don't really believe is a very good interpretation to begin with) and "having fun". Sort of subverting emo, in its own way. So I am kind of biased and I think that's important to keep in mind.

Why do I disagree with JohNyx's interpretation, though, aside from the obvious bias? Maybe it's because I speak from something of an inside stance.

Before I became "scene" (ironically, after dropping out of high school) I always hung out with the emo crowd even though I was a better fit for the metalheads (considering music tastes and fashion choices).The first thing I noticed was they were all friendly. Aside from being a little bit wary of speaking about their music around people outside of the clique they seemed generally like just introverted people with some shared interests. They were very loyal friends to each other (not really me, though that's my fault, I always seem to be an observer in any social situation and never even tried to remedy that in this case) and often helped each other out. Stereotypes I immediately noticed were wrong both previously had applied to goths. Hmmm. I saw very little poetry writing, in fact very little interest in artistic endeavours of any sort. None of them seemed particularly depressed and while there were two cutters in the bunch of ~30 or so people, I was assured that there were far more cutters among the nerdy kids.

Of the stereotypical fashion traits that JohNyx stated in his post, I noticed only 4 and except hoodies, they never applied to more than half the people (and it's worth noting that everyone outside of the emo clique wore hoodies too). The other three were black clothes, tight pants and black nails. Stars never even appeared once. I don't know if that's maybe a Mexico-only thing, though? There was also a more often-cited trait that most of them shared, the weird hair. But considering that JohNyx didn't mention that himself, I'll just let that go.

The music tastes were most surprising to me. There was the expected pseudo-punk and alt-rock, along with a lot of slightly unexpected but not completely out there pieces of punk awesomeness, like old AFI and etc. But some of the other common music choices were just odd. I found 8 kids without God Module on their MP3 players, and only 1 who wasn't a huge thrash metal fan.

I can't really speak on the topic of MySpace regarding emo kids, because (surprisingly) none of the ones I met had one. I actually never really had a reason to get a MySpace until I went "scene". From what I've seen of MySpace after I got one, the emo kid flying-camera picture has spread to all sorts. I won't deny it started there, though, the girls of the group were exactly the type I'd expect to do that shit. As for the girls wearing tutus and shit.. Uh, I never EVER saw anything like that on MySpace or IRL. I dunno why I haven't found it on MySpace because that's exactly the shit I'd expect to find there, but the girls IRL were all super-serious tomboys with egos the size of world superpowers. They weren't really the type who would act stupid and post it on the internet, all things considered. (The boys, on the other hand, couldn't be serious if you put a gun to their head and told them that you just got done murdering their entire family. They even made lame jokes while bitching.)

Now to move to the philosophical part. I mentioned that they were all relatively friendly people, with the obvious caveat of "so long as you don't approach them like a complete douchebag". I feel it's also necessary to mention that none of them really seemed to express the variety of "discontent" JohNyx paints them with. I never heard much railing against the system, or idealistic passions or the like. I most clearly remember, in fact, asking one of them when I was 15 (they were about the same) "Why would you want to become an engineer when you grow up?"

The only real thing attitude-wise that they all shared was the dreaded Special Snowflake syndrome, where they were all, if not the most important people in the world, at least entitled to whatever the hell they wanted. They never really flipped out or anything if they didn't get their way, but they sure bitched about it a lot. It was the main reason I didn't become a part of that group fully. I got the feeling that they were EXPECTED to bitch regularly, and I don't know WTF would have happened to me when it came my turn to bitch and I could only give a half-hearted "everything's sort of okay, except maybe I'm a little tired and stuff."

The big difference here is that when I read "discontent" I think Problems With Big Things. Bitching about the state of the world, the government, laws, or even just rules set by your parents. The complaining and bitching that took place here was below the level of the most minor of the First World Problems thread entries. "Can you believe it, my mom wouldn't get my the new iPod. She's terrible." Seriously.

I guess if that's the problem JohNyx has with them, that's great because no one likes a whiner. But I got the impression that his worst problem with them was that instead of doing something about what bothered them, they just sort of bitched about it and kept living. Considering the things being bitched about, I'm personally happy that they just kept living their lives. I can't imagine any good coming from an indignant 15 year old trying to show his mom what's what for not getting him an iPod.

To conclude, JohNyx fucked up by (from what I gathered) trying to view emo through the same lens as punk and goth: as a counterculture. And it just isn't a counterculture, it doesn't even try to look like one. It's a bunch of teenagers who want to look cool while swinging their egos around, and that's really it. (Regarding the music choices, I think what happened with the non-obvious stuff was people in that local circle already had those interests and they just spread them. In one of the other towns there was a huge country fandom among the emos, for example.)

I will admit I'm speaking entirely from personal experience in a very small segment of Western Pennsylvania, and that said experience is probably atypical. But somehow I doubt that emos ANYWHERE are pretending to give a shit about politics or the state of the world or really much of anything. The very name of the subculture (emo, from emotional) implies getting hyped up about just about everything. And all the little slights leave very little emotional energy to give a shit about civilization sliding into the gutter.




*-Actually, scene is an offshoot of emo that's less about big egos and more about flaunting your big ego as flagrantly as possible. If I ever start talking about how much cooler I am than everyone else and how anyone who doesn't agree is just jealous, shoot me.

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Or Kill Me / Re: Emo: Symptom of our Decay
« on: December 17, 2009, 10:40:29 am »
I've been meaning to respond to the OP for awhile because I disagree and agree on a lot of points. But as of right now I think it'll be better to just make a new rant fread that links to this one, because I think mine will be mostly going off on a tangent from this even if it starts related. Doing that immediately after this post.

Consider this a BUMP.

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