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Its like a comedic attempt of a meltdown, its so bizarre.

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As always, self-diagnosis is never a good idea and you should see a professional.

After saying that, I second what Dubya kind of says (phrasing though) - if your living and survival conditions are met, and your social and relationship needs are covered (having a fulfilling job and a nice partner always help a lot), then its:

1. Some underlying element or issue that is unresolved (Therapy)
2. It's something neuro-biological going on. (Medication or Exersice)


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Not as depressing as I anticipated. "Nothing to do now but sit on our hands...and wait for the inevitable conservative backlash," was pretty on the nose.

I don't even know if it will be a conservative backlash, as he seems to be mistaking special snowflake syndrome for a phenomenon exclusive to liberal brats. Professors who teach at expensive private colleges have been complaining about it for a lot longer.

I think that's definitely a big part of it, and the move towards steadily more privatised education has led to the impression that schools are service providers not educators, and that the student as customer is always right.

However, I remember reading this guy's blog post from when he first put it up, and those by Freddie de Boer as well.  And I think their criticisms are a bit more subtle than that.  From what I can see, based on their writing, there are seperate problems which come together in particular in schools.  There is the liberal-rhetorical problem: most public liberals have incredibly weak rhetoric and verbal skills, and tend to rely on shutting down debate via the "I Win" button of accusations of sexism, homophobia, racism, "problematic", prejudicial etc.  And then there is the neoliberalisation of schools problem.  The two meet at a point because it's incredibly attractive for students to use discourse that originated in the academy, validates their complaints and allows little in way of dissent precisely because they are spoilt brats.  But they're spoilt brats operating within this particular discourse, at this particular time, because said discourse is very popular outside of the staid and traditional social conservative or libertarian conservative circles, and because they've learnt it works.

A guy in my class had a temper tantrum today because he doesn't like that 70 years ago, psychology researchers did really shitty things to cats.

Not kidding.

All of a sudden it was gone... FOREVER... my cat's penis. **sob**

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Feelings have no place in the pursuit of knowledge (except in psychology where they may sometimes be appropriate as the subject of detached observation)

That's not exactly true, if it's true at all; there is plenty of room for feelings in academia. The very best academics and researchers are passionate about their work, and many of them come to it from a personal experience that motivates them, like the MS researcher whose college best friend had MS, or the AIDS vaccine developer whose adopted daughter was born with HIV. What there isn't room for is self-indulgent bullshit.

"Feelings" are an intricate part of the pursuit of knowledge... without passion or a love for a given craft... why delve deeper into it or innovate?

Without feelings comes indifference, and with indifference comes nothing.

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I've noticed a bend away from what people are actually doing, and a shift to what's "Trending"

People stop talking about their lives and doings in favor of the latest funny meme, clickbait article, or point of outrage.  Facebook promotes these, and certainly slants posting order to them, because some make them advertising money.

Hence the plot is lost

Yes yes, the newsfeed has been corrupted, in that sense (of many) Myspace was better.

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The problem is that people confuse "biological basis" and "should be" as a type of neo-phobia to anything... funny that its always conveniently selective... prolonging our lives is anti-natural but here we are with the most profitable companies being pharmaceuticals, etc.

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And well, speaking specifically about transgender behaviour:

We have culturally created divisions on how a man and a woman are supposed to act and behave, which is kinda silly, im sure it has some practical uses and facilitations, at a parallel with its toxic political and power consequences for women... the problem is that fragmentating human emotions and behaviour into "male and female" is that it limits the spectrum of emotions and agency of each individual to a detriment, the main manifestation being passive women and insensitive men (main detriments being an issue that others might think differently than myself, whatever).

TL;DR: arbitrary gender divisions make for incomplete humans that are not socially permitted to use the whole spectrum of their emotions.

And speaking specifically about transvestism:

Its a type of compulsion that is strong enough to transgress social norms in given moments... we also have subcultures that like to dress differently or people that make body modifications such as piercings, expansions or tattoos which are all a matter of self-perception and modifying ones appearance to the will of oneself... most people prefer a more conventional or bland look because they are themselves conventional or bland, or because they fear social retribution for showing an intimate or personal part to society which can be judgeded or disliked... businesssmen dress in suits and clean-cut styles, because they wish to express aesthetics that reflect order and professionalism, etc.

TL;DR: its aesthetical preference, fuck the man, dude.

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I was discussing this with my mentor recently... what can be more brutal than mutilating your genitals?... for sure theres a very intense feeling or passion at play... castration on one hand has a lot at play with men with relation to family relationships (ever heard of castration compkex and oedipus?) and virilization of women i dont even know...

We concluded that its a hugely complex phenomena that can only be approached clinically, that is to say, on a case by case basis on a deep level... i wonder if there has been research like this? about said groupality

When you talk about mutilating genitals, ie. surgery, you are talking about changing the physical appearance of sex, not about gender.

Yeah i was talking about transexuals... i need to read more about ops original case, since i assumed it was transexual not transgender... bbl rereading thread.

Transsexual at this point is kind of an outdated term. Transgender can mean people who have altered their body physically (through surgery or hormones or both) and those who haven't.

Regardless of accuracy the definitions i know of and use, are:

Transvestite: that dresses in a manner or style that does not coincide with its cultural norms for given genital sex
Transgender: that either identifies or acts in a manner not corresponding to their genital sex
Transexual: that has changed thru surgical means its genital sex.

And I dont understand why transexual is an outdated term, since then we are eliminating the possibility that there are people that change their genital sex for reasons other than their gender identification. One might assume those dont exist, but its still very possible.

I did a quick lookup and Transexual is defined and commonly used as a synonim for transgender, but from an etimological and roots it doesnt make sense to me, probably because in spanish we do make the distinction of "transgenero" and "transexual".

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Our fucking calendar year is based on imaginary events and ideas lol so go figure about the rest

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I was discussing this with my mentor recently... what can be more brutal than mutilating your genitals?... for sure theres a very intense feeling or passion at play... castration on one hand has a lot at play with men with relation to family relationships (ever heard of castration compkex and oedipus?) and virilization of women i dont even know...

We concluded that its a hugely complex phenomena that can only be approached clinically, that is to say, on a case by case basis on a deep level... i wonder if there has been research like this? about said groupality

When you talk about mutilating genitals, ie. surgery, you are talking about changing the physical appearance of sex, not about gender.

Yeah i was talking about transexuals... i need to read more about ops original case, since i assumed it was transexual not transgender... bbl rereading thread.

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This might sound perverse, but sometimes the enforcement of prudish clothes on daughters by mothers originates from envy that they are receiving more "attention" than themselves... just throwing it out there.

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There seemed to be more interaction on facebook...

What i believe fucked themselves in the A was their motherfucking sponsored news articles and ads in the goddamn newsfeed... i want to see what my acquaintances are up to, not the billionth 20 THINGS ABOUT THAT YOU WONT BELIEVE

my newsfeed besides that is filled with updates of pretty alt models... but with people i know we mostly keep it in chat and rarely post anything....

for all we care we might as well be in msn messenger that allows for offline messages to be sent... or could be whatsapp if it wasnt such a bitch to type on a phone...

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I was discussing this with my mentor recently... what can be more brutal than mutilating your genitals?... for sure theres a very intense feeling or passion at play... castration on one hand has a lot at play with men with relation to family relationships (ever heard of castration compkex and oedipus?) and virilization of women i dont even know...

We concluded that its a hugely complex phenomena that can only be approached clinically, that is to say, on a case by case basis on a deep level... i wonder if there has been research like this? about said groupality

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I'm just messing with you, I get what you meant with a lot of what you said, you just have a terrible way of phrasing some of it.

When I get into my fan-girl/enthusiast rants, I tend to leave out the info and phrasing that sells it. Or maybe that's my problem. Maybe I'm trying to sell it too much.

I know that I'm verbose with what I say, so I try to tone it down when I can. But sometimes, that just leads to me leaving out necessary information. When you, yourself, know what you're talking about, sometimes it's hard to prioritize information correctly. It makes it even harder when you're trying to be flashy and entertaining at the same time. I just gotta work on it.

At the same time, I don't wanna just throw out the fact that you might have some good points against what I said. Or that anyone has some good points, for that matter.


Idk man you just sounded like those arm-chair gun experts... who was that guy? The resident nazi we had? That waxed on about rifles, the models and calibers which also sounds like those guys with break-in fantasies about luring the intruder then killing them in some intricate manner and getting off legally clean.

Sort of a try-hard amateur expert-non-expert.

That's all there is to it.

I always feel like that. No matter how much time I spend looking into a subject, I always feel like I've just barely scratched the surface.

On top of that, I have to worry about getting too in-depth, which can cause some readers to zone out, as well as making sure I get precise enough for those who do know what I'm talking about.

No, the verbosity and detail are fine, most of us take an interest at breaking things down and seeing how they work, but we're all civilians here that aren't experts at such things, so its just ends up being reading about crime-fiction... and im sure we're capable of  outputting our creativity to better things.

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Idk man you just sounded like those arm-chair gun experts... who was that guy? The resident nazi we had? That waxed on about rifles, the models and calibers which also sounds like those guys with break-in fantasies about luring the intruder then killing them in some intricate manner and getting off legally clean.

Sort of a try-hard amateur expert-non-expert.

That's all there is to it.

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