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RPG Ghetto / Re: PD Monster Stats: Sign-Up/Organization
« on: December 01, 2014, 07:57:46 pm »
Thanks, y'all. I wasn't expecting to have this many replies when I got home from work, but I'll update the OP accordingly. This includes crediting LMNO as a co-author for Hey, Jim! I knew he was involved(and he did a pretty damn good job on the Spiders play-by-post games), but I didn't quite remember to which degree.

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RPG Ghetto / PD Monster Stats: Sign-Up/Organization
« on: December 01, 2014, 05:52:18 am »
EDIT: Here's where everything goes when it's done.

Ok, so I'm biting the bullet and making the thread. This is sort of a casual group project thing that anyone can take part in if they want. The idea is that we're taking various monsters, deities, and assorted beasties from Discordian material and some stories posted on this very site, and we're giving them stats. In the case of deities, I don't really want to give them a stat block so much as a codified set of options for divine casters, but I figure there are plenty of those to cover. We might also write up some classes, archetypes, templates or class options, depending on how ambitious we get, but this shit is not decided yet.

This is not an attempt at prosthelytizing Discordia on the tabletop, nor is it necessarily an attempt at representing these stories with perfect accuracy(though I'd prefer not to monkey too much with the source material). This is basically just "Hey, that'd make a pretty fun enemy in a DnD game, let's give it a statblock," or "It'd be pretty cool to play a cleric of x god." If there's a specific type of plot associated with a monster(Like Spiders manipulating things from behind the scenes), give them abilities that will facilitate that plot(Like Illusion and Enchantment spell-like abilities). If you don't agree with the alignment or whatever, change it in your own game. Being able to tweak that shit on the fly is half the point of the medium anyway.

On a technical level, I'm personally most comfortable with Pathfinder, but if you want to stat something for another system, be my guest. Just clearly state which system you're giving it stats for. And for "Bob"'s sake, keep it clean and organized. Yeah, I know, muh kayoss, but if you aren't gonna use a format, you're basically just being a dick for no reason. If someone else posts a statblock in your system of choice before you do, follow their lead. If you're the first to post stats for a system and it has an SRD, use the format in the SRD. If you're doing domains and whatever for a deity, just be organized and use common sense, it's not that hard to sort out. Anyway, here's our list of creatures. If you have any stories to suggest as source material, post links and I'll see about asking the author for permission to work with it. The question shouldn't come up too often, since TGRR/Dok Howl wrote 90% or so of the source material I can think of and I think he frequents this subforum, but we don't do shit without permission and attribution. I'm just gonna assume group projects are fair game unless there's a clearly-defined ringleader, though, as long as nobody objects. Same goes for ramblings.

The lists that follow are incomplete, boyo. Suggest some things.

Deities:
Eris Kallisti Discordia(COMPLETED, Critique wanted)
J.R. "Bob" Dobbs
JHVH-1
NHGH
Greyface
The Machine
The Skinsaw Queen(Little Orange Breaks Bad)
Payne, the Messiah

Monsters:
Atlantean Yetis
Dero
Spiders(Hey Jim!)
Upside-Down People(various ramblings of TGRR)
Nessies(More Futuristic Fun Than You Really Wanted)
Giant Mutant Guinea Worms(various ramblings of TGRR)

Afflictions
The Curse of Necronomicoin(A New Currency, not yet approved)
Mutant Guinea Worms(various ramblings of TGRR)
The Spore of the Desert(TGRR and Nigel, conceptual)

Classes, etc.
Rinzai Monk(Chaotic monk archetype, mainly for Nopants, Source: Parable of the Gong)
Zenarchist Swordsman(probably some ToB-style wankery)
Battle Nun(goddamn essential)
Yeti-blooded(Subgenius sorcerer bloodline, CLAIMED, IN PROGRESS)

Confirmed Contributors:
President Television
Bearman

Potential Sources:
Principia Discordia
The Book of the Subgenius(and related materials)
The Illuminatus! Trilogy
Black Iron Prison(honestly, probably gonna source this by individual segments)
Parable of the Gong(Cramulus)
Hey, Jim!(TGRR, LMNO, group)
More Futuristic Fun Than You Really Wanted(TGRR, group)
Little Orange Breaks Bad(TGRR)
Life During Wartime(TGRR)
My Girl Friday(TGRR)
A New Currency(Paes, group)

If there are some other stories and/or sermons that you know about, please post links. I know there are a lot of things I'm forgetting about, and I just can't remember the exact titles.

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I feel like I should ask... if you heard this same story, but it was a woman being assaulted by a man, would you also be incredulous that she did nothing to stop the assault?

I am not accusing you of sexism, I am just wondering whether you have some mental models you might want to examine a little more closely, because I don't find it at all strange or confusing that he didn't resist the assault.

I find it strange that anyone who was in an art instillation with two associates in the other room wouldn't at least call out for assistance, yes. Male or female.

This wasn't an alley, or a college dorm room. It was an art instillation with two associates in the other room.

A. One common effect of sudden threat on the autonomous nervous system is being unable to make a sound. Women are frequently asked "why didn't you scream?"

B. I'm not sure that any of us know what the acoustic properties of the room are, or what the environment his colleagues were in was like. Was there music? Was it noisy? Was the room soundproofed against street noise? Was it down the hall?

So I'm going to ask you the same question again: If it was a woman who reported being assaulted, beaten with a whip, and raped, in a closed room with other people in a nearby room, would you question the rape by asking why she did not scream or fight back?

Initially, yes. But I was being glib without putting much thought into it, which was ridiculously insensitive. Again, I apologize. This entire thread was ill conceived.

I consider it no waste. And it'd be pretty ridiculous of me to judge you for being unaware of the emotional subtleties of something you've never personally experienced. I think it's a surprise to everyone it happens to. Quite a bit more of the suffering occurs on a social level than on a physical one.

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I feel like I should ask... if you heard this same story, but it was a woman being assaulted by a man, would you also be incredulous that she did nothing to stop the assault?

I am not accusing you of sexism, I am just wondering whether you have some mental models you might want to examine a little more closely, because I don't find it at all strange or confusing that he didn't resist the assault.

I find it strange that anyone who was in an art instillation with two associates in the other room wouldn't at least call out for assistance, yes. Male or female.

This wasn't an alley, or a college dorm room. It was an art instillation with two associates in the other room.

When you're being sexually assaulted or raped, a lot of the time you don't want to draw attention. It's an irrational kneejerk reaction, but you don't want anyone to see what's going on out of fear and shame, and that aversion is stronger than the rational knowledge that other people can get you out of your predicament. Yes, this does last for the entire duration quite a bit of the time. Hell, in my experience it can last for days, weeks, or years after the fact.

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stimulation with aesthetic intent

I love this definition. I was trying to think of one which didn't amount to "it's pretty", but I've had a couple martinis, and probably shouldn't be posting at all.

I was so glad when I thought of it, because until then I'd basically been thinking along the lines you just specified, but that definition always failed when Dada came up. But intention of ugliness is still aesthetic intent, right? I figure it works.
Its good, It blurs the line on media intended for consumption and media created for artistic craft though and pushes it into the deeply subjective territory. For instance I find less and less artistic merit to computer games then once I did, but under this definition all media is art.

Eh. It covers art. There's no guarantee of quality.

Anyway, I thought we were talking about Shia LaBeouf and rape culture or something.

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stimulation with aesthetic intent

I love this definition. I was trying to think of one which didn't amount to "it's pretty", but I've had a couple martinis, and probably shouldn't be posting at all.

I was so glad when I thought of it, because until then I'd basically been thinking along the lines you just specified, but that definition always failed when Dada came up. But intention of ugliness is still aesthetic intent, right? I figure it works.

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The Zodaic Killers cryptography has this haunting aesthetic to it:

But that's not really what you mean. You're talking about the guy who murders everyone in the phone book who's name is a palindrome.

There is no boundary. Art is difficult enough to define without involving acts of cruelty and harm.

I think art's easy enough to define: stimulation with aesthetic intent. And atrocities can fall under this definition. Art, in our culture, comes with underpinnings of glorification, this attitude that to call something art is to somehow validate it, but I don't think that necessarily has to be the case. I think it arises from nothing more than semantic confusion involving blanket statements like "I love art" or "I support the arts". Because horrific acts can fall under the definition of "art", it becomes easy to accuse a patron of the arts of supporting morally reprehensible acts, and therefore necessary for them to defend themselves and art itself by employing the No True Scotsman fallacy. And nobody calls them on it, because art's not supposed to be logical, right? But a fallacy it remains.

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I haven't really been following this, but it should be interesting to see how the public reacts to it. Female-on-male rape isn't a very well-known phenomenon, and it directly contradicts a lot of stereotypes and commonly-held preconceptions about gender roles. I think it's pretty telling that so far they seem to be treating him not much differently from how they treat rape victims in general. There is definitely an element of sexism to the treatment female rape victims receive(Shia Labeouf probably hasn't gotten any threats, for example, or been told he was asking for it the way he was dressed), but maybe it isn't as significant to their ostracization as is often assumed. It seems apparent, to me at least, that the role of the rape victim is itself one that our culture views as intrinsically contemptible, and that people in general are trained to subject to scrutiny.

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Do points #1 and #2 together mean that funding education is actually a bad idea? Or am I reading this wrong?

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I do, but then again, I'm a jerk, and I don't RPG.

Nah, your opinion is still pretty important here. If anyone takes issue with it, I know it'll probably have less to do with "this won't be fun in a game" and more to do with "you're dicking with the source material", so it doesn't really matter if you play RPGs or not.

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I kinda have an idea, but I don't know how well it'll go over, so I think I should run it past Open Bar before actually doing it. I kinda want to take all the supernatural entities that've shown up in PD stories over the years and give them Pathfinder stats so enterprising DMs can throw them into their games. I know it kinda robs them of their mystery and associated horror if we give them a codified set of abilities, but at the same time I think it could be cool as hell, and I already have a couple of ideas.

I normally wouldn't stat Eris, but all I really want to do for deities is write up their alignments and a list of domains for their clerics, and her domains are pretty obviously Chaos, Madness, Trickery, and War. I kinda have an idea for the guy(I forget his name) who makes deals with people for their bones. How to make him work, I mean. For monsters, there are Nessies, Upside-Down People, Spiders(probably Lawful Evil or Lawful Neutral Outsiders with some illusion and enchantment SLAs), and all kinds of other things. For deities, there are Eris(CN), "Bob"(CN), the Skinsaw Queen(N), the Machine(LN/LE), Payne(CG), and probably some others I've forgotten about. I might also throw together a Yeti bloodline for sorcerers and bloodragers, for that tangy Subgenius zip.

Does anyone think this is a bad idea?

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Sounds like a hoot! Looking forward to your upcoming trip to Hogtown!

That's on the bounce again.  I have to go there, but my schedule is in flux.  I now have to go to Portland again in December, Germany again in January, and Houston for half of February.  Then I have Hamilton AND Toronto (Pickering, to be exact), and Boston that will be jammed in there somewhere.

Holy shit, Pickering? I'm living in Toronto right now. I should see about paying you a visit when you're in town, if you don't mind. When do you have it planned?

Not sure yet.  I have business there sometime after the new year, and I'm related to damn near everyone in the province, so I expect I'll burn some vacation time.

Ok. Well, keep me filled in. It'd be fun to hang out with a Holy Man™.

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Sounds like a hoot! Looking forward to your upcoming trip to Hogtown!

That's on the bounce again.  I have to go there, but my schedule is in flux.  I now have to go to Portland again in December, Germany again in January, and Houston for half of February.  Then I have Hamilton AND Toronto (Pickering, to be exact), and Boston that will be jammed in there somewhere.

Holy shit, Pickering? I'm living in Toronto right now. I should see about paying you a visit when you're in town, if you don't mind. When do you have it planned?

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The Richard Nixon school of ballet and the arts / Re: HOWL 2016
« on: November 04, 2014, 03:21:53 am »
Howl/Tarwell 2016: EXACTLY what you demanded.

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