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Apple Talk / Re: The Last Whiskey Bar
« on: January 11, 2013, 04:05:02 pm »

Apple Talk / Re:, tech, website question
« on: January 09, 2013, 06:31:06 pm »
Aha! Thanks guys.  :)

Apple Talk /, tech, website question
« on: January 09, 2013, 06:22:26 pm »
So, for the past few days, any time I click on, I get sent to a blank 'not found' page of death. However, I can post at  which, is a lot less catchy and memorable.

Is this problem unique to me or are other people experiencing it? My home computer doesn't seem to like the link neither does the one at work. They both have firefox on them, so I thought it might have something to do with that.

Any thoughts?

Many thanks,


Apple Talk / Re: Free Will?
« on: January 09, 2013, 04:35:06 pm »
Cat nature wants string.
Wiggle, wobble, she paws it.
Are we different?



There's always shitting in other people's boots or the vastly superior, getting other people to shit in their own boots.

Apple Talk / Re: Brit Spags! So Jim fixed it...
« on: January 09, 2013, 04:32:34 pm »
Not so sure about Brucie. Struck me more as a 'traditional' pussy hound - 6ft leggy blondes and all that.

Rod Hull, on the other hand? If anyone is interested in running a sweep I'll buy that for a dollar

I was going to mention Rod Hull in my last post. 

(By the way, on the other hand was Emu.)

Apple Talk / Re: This article gives me the wobblies for some reason.
« on: January 04, 2013, 08:41:44 pm »
“It makes me laugh. [Asperger’s parents] consider themselves the upper class of autism.”


So let me guess, next is the 'Hierarchy of Cancers'?

Apple Talk / Re: This article gives me the wobblies for some reason.
« on: January 04, 2013, 08:36:49 pm »

I see it's finally being made 'official'. I remember reading an article many moons ago that suggested that the mental health care professionals were pushing to retire Asperger's as a separate diagnosis. Seems that they got their wish.

One of the most jim-jam inducing statements I've heard from parents lately is the phrase "My kid is on the spectrum." I've noticed this phrase is getting more traction, so be fully prepared to have this shoved in your face with increasingly regularity.

I might have said this before, if so, excuse the repetition. I had a client that used to work in a care facility for autistic kids. She said it was an absolute fucking nightmare because the residents ranged from 'profoundly unable to communicate' and were frequently violent and unable to even go to the bathroom without help all the way to 'bolshy teenager who won't clean his room'.

Her job was made difficult by the fact that there was a lot of noise, and not enough signal - too many cases that really didn't meet proper criteria for being classed as autistic. She said that part of this was driven by social workers making diagnoses. [horror]. I guess part of it is driven by parents wanting their kids to be 'brilliant' and also by the media who keep insisting there is an 'epidemic' even though that has not been established statistically. Add to that the ease with which information (good/bad) that is available online and the modern tendency towards self-diagnosis and the popular diluting of medical terms and boom, you've got yourself some very muddy waters to plumb.

So far, I've met only one genuinely autistic kid and a gazillion smug, hypochondriac, trend-surfing parents who have overdosed on flimsy pop-culture science.

Apple Talk / Re: On suffering fools gladly
« on: January 04, 2013, 08:23:11 pm »
I work with some stupid kids, man. In the sense that these kids are fucked over by the world from day one, before they're even born. It's easy to see where a lot of these guys are headed, and it isn't anywhere good. They are going to do some stupid things, and end up in stupid places. I probably wouldn't like the adults many of them are going to become. But only a monster would feel disdain for these kids. Only a monster would fail to feel compassion.

Well, they were born guilty.  Lots of people are.  It's not their fault, but there you have it.  Take any of them and put them in front of a jury in Oro Valley, and they'd be sent to prison for life, before any charges are named.

Guilty = WRONG = Stupid = tired and poor and weak.

Innocent = RIGHT = Smart = rich and powerful.

A friend of mine works as an investigator for the Public Defender's office. He used to be a marine and a cop and now his job is to make sure that the police are doing their jobs properly. One day, he was particularly pleased with the outcome of a case. Goes something like this:

"Many of the people I have to deal with have actually done what they're accused of. Still, I have to make sure that everything has been dealt with properly. However, every now and then, you get someone who gets snarled up in the system. This one guy I'm helping is, without doubt, really really stupid....but he's not a bad person and he's definitely not guilty of what he's accused of."

I can't remember the exact details of the situation but it involved a not very bright individual, drugs and a hooker. However, it was too easy for the cops to say "Ok, dumb guy with issues, it must be him."

Apple Talk / Re: How to NOT be Metal...a primer by Dave Mustaine
« on: January 04, 2013, 07:18:05 pm »
Don't forget, going on camera, and crying about your dead friend is somehow Metallica's fault.

               / I'M SOOOO METALLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Apple Talk / Re: On suffering fools gladly
« on: January 04, 2013, 07:14:17 pm »
Both my grandfather's were tradesmen. My mom's dad left school at 14 and spent his life making shoes. Although he had limited formal education, he was very skillful artistically and had quite a philosophical bent.

My dad's father was an electrician in the dockyard. Was hamfisted with just about everything he did unless he had to do with wires and electricity in which case, he was really good. He also had a limited formal education but read widely and voraciously as an adult.

My dad was the first person on either side of the family to go to University in the early 60s. Although he did get the formal education his parents didn't, he's one of the most pragmatic & resourceful people I know. He's got the kind of brain where he can see something in his head and build it right away with very little fuss. Given that I can't even hammer a fucking nail straight into a piece of wood, this is never ceases to amaze me!

Apple Talk / Re: Brit Spags! So Jim fixed it...
« on: January 04, 2013, 07:06:38 pm »
To be honest though, if those guys hadn't been on TV, everyone would have gotten massive pedo vibes off them anyway.  I mean, imagine seeing the ghoulish viasge of Jimmy Savile without ever having known of him before.  My first reaction as an adult would be to look for a knife and then a wall to put my back to.

Yeah, I think Jon Stewart did a bit on this on the Daily Show. They showed Sir Jim looking particularly skeevy and deranged and asked "How did you not know this guy was sick?"

With people like Freddie Star or Davidson, you have the venerable British institution of 'sea side post card' or 'Carry On' movies whereby 'cheeky chappies' are condoned for being over sexed assholes. None of the people who have been called in for interview have struck me as being especially surprising.

Apple Talk / Re: On suffering fools gladly
« on: January 04, 2013, 06:58:39 pm »
We should probably define a few terms here:

Uneducated - While a person may be smart or stupid, they lack the tools to put what brainpower they have to use, or to optimum use.
Stupid -  The condition of ignoring skills learned when attempting a task or conversation.
Willfully ignorant -  The condition of NOT WANTING the tools to use your intelligence, because you've put on a uniform that disagrees with those tools for one reason or another.
Smart -  The condition of having the brains, education, and emotional stability required to make good decisions.
Fool. -  One who blindly follows the reasoning of another, because thinking for themselves is either too much bother, or they need to follow the pack.
Brain damaged -  Physical damage to the brain that prevents one from learning or making good decisions.
Emotionally impaired - The condition of having emotions overriding thought.
Dunning/Kruger - I am a genius in all things, surrounded by retards.  I know more about your specialty than you do, even though I have no training in the field.

Anyone want to change or add to this?

I like this list. Can we call it The Spectrum of Derp?

Apple Talk / Re: Brit Spags! So Jim fixed it...
« on: January 04, 2013, 06:49:14 pm »

Exaro News ( today reveals that for the last two months the police have secretly been scoping a new investigation into senior politicians and their involvement in a paedophile ring, involving  under age boys, that took place in the 1980s.

This is separate to the current Operation Yewtree  investigation into Jimmy Savile and other celebrities, which mainly involves under age girls.

They are looking again at a raid that took place in 1982 on a  guest house in Barnes, south London, which appeared to be being used as a gay brothel and was frequented by prominent figures including, I am told, ministers, Tory MPs, a Liberal MP and two Labour Mps. Under age boys in  the care  of Richmond council and other local authorities were  visiting or staying at the guest house.

However, it should be noted that the police reasons for investigating this might not be out of genuine concern for the victims and a sense of justice.

As anyone who has been following the "Plebgate" scandal knows, it seems the Metropolitan Police are not very happy with the Tories, and indeed attempted to stitch up the Chief Whip with a faked but plausible controversy.

My belief is that the cuts, along with the handling of the Leveson Inquiry, made the police very unhappy with the Tories, and there is a simmering sense of resentment among the rank and file...the sort of feeling that leads to bent coppers trying every dirty trick in the book to get their target in trouble.

Such a ring may exist.  Actual members of the ring may even be implicated.  But then again, maybe they won't be.

Damn you History Channel!! That's how they end every single program: "Jesus might have been an Egyptian wizard from Mars....or he might not...we'll never know...but what if he was!??"

Seriously would be entirely unsurprising if there was a ring consisting of MPs and sundry other power types. One of the many annoying features of conspiracy theorists (aside from them being barking mad) is that they are always looking for something vast, all encompassing and grand. I think that they miss the point that many conspiracies are actually much more banal & mundane (though no less disgusting.)  Something as basic and base as 'A bunch of pervs used their political influence to fuck children for kicks' is a lot more believable than 'The US has reverse engineered UFO propulsion and don't want you to know'. Proving the existence of sexual perversion is a hell of lot easier than making a case for space aliens.

Also - Jim Davidson is the latest 'celeb' caught up in the Saville wake. Did the police just sit down and write a list of 'obnoxious entertainers of the 80s'?  Freddie Starr, DLT and Jim Davidson.

Apple Talk / Re: How to NOT be Metal...a primer by Dave Mustaine
« on: January 04, 2013, 04:26:46 pm »
I think the chip on his shoulder from being kicked out of Metallica mestastisised to turn him into a gigantic asshole, but I guess the drugs blunted it back in the 80s and 90s.  He's such a whiney prick.

This is serious stuff. He's strapped for cash, customer service isn't always as good as he hoped, Obama is a mass-murderer and someone had the audacity to photoshop a Christmas card. FIGHT THE POWER!!!


Apple Talk / Re: On being a fully paid up member of the human race.
« on: January 04, 2013, 04:24:01 pm »
Altruism - knowing that it isn't always about 'you'.

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