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Re: Experiments with monkeys
« Reply #45 on: April 02, 2014, 05:38:29 am »
If that's all you were trying to say, you could have just done this:

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Asch conformity experiments, AMIRITE?

But LMNO, it isn't like any of us have ever studied psychology, or had conversations about social conformity or conformity experiments before.

Real conformity experiments that actually happened, that is.

Not a one of us is familiar with Asch, Milgram, or Zimbardo either for that matter. :lol:

It would be interesting to know just how much psychology omnihil has actually studied, since, well, s/he brought it up. Let's all pull out our credentials.

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Re: Experiments with monkeys
« Reply #46 on: April 02, 2014, 05:41:44 am »
Also, I once read the Communist Manifesto, and started to wonder just how much wife-swapping was actually going on in 19th Century Europe, since that was a "no, you!" retort that Marx gave to the bourgeoisie.
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Re: Experiments with monkeys
« Reply #47 on: April 02, 2014, 12:49:50 pm »
If that's all you were trying to say, you could have just done this:

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Asch conformity experiments, AMIRITE?

But LMNO, it isn't like any of us have ever studied psychology, or had conversations about social conformity or conformity experiments before.

Real conformity experiments that actually happened, that is.

Not a one of us is familiar with Asch, Milgram, or Zimbardo either for that matter. :lol:

Hacks, the lot of 'em.

I bet you none of them ever created a memeimage that was loosely based on a misunderstanding of a metaphor.

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Re: Experiments with monkeys
« Reply #48 on: April 02, 2014, 11:10:31 pm »
If that's all you were trying to say, you could have just done this:

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Asch conformity experiments, AMIRITE?

But LMNO, it isn't like any of us have ever studied psychology, or had conversations about social conformity or conformity experiments before.

Real conformity experiments that actually happened, that is.

Not a one of us is familiar with Asch, Milgram, or Zimbardo either for that matter. :lol:

It would be interesting to know just how much psychology omnihil has actually studied, since, well, s/he brought it up. Let's all pull out our credentials.

I have taken one college behavioral science class. Sociology. My professor was the shit. I have +1 behavioral science.

Two years so far... uh, eight classes I think? No, nine.
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Re: Experiments with monkeys
« Reply #49 on: April 02, 2014, 11:11:19 pm »
And then there's Johnny, who's working on his psychology grad degree I think.
“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”


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Re: Experiments with monkeys
« Reply #50 on: April 02, 2014, 11:12:46 pm »
A small stack of books.

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Re: Experiments with monkeys
« Reply #51 on: April 03, 2014, 11:29:15 am »
1 class of behavioural biology.
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Re: Experiments with monkeys
« Reply #52 on: April 03, 2014, 03:57:19 pm »
I've done a 40-odd year residential course in batshit crazy. Unfortunately I have little or no experience in non-pathological psychology, beyond anecdotal evidence that such a thing exists, so it's a kinda myopic picture :oops:
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Re: Experiments with monkeys
« Reply #53 on: April 03, 2014, 04:05:11 pm »
All my learning on such topics has been of the autodidact variety.
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Re: Experiments with monkeys
« Reply #54 on: April 03, 2014, 06:45:38 pm »
Somehow, I have a feeling he's not coming back to argue the point.  :lol:
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Re: Experiments with monkeys
« Reply #55 on: April 03, 2014, 06:48:22 pm »
Somehow, I have a feeling he's not coming back to argue the point.  :lol:

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Re: Experiments with monkeys
« Reply #56 on: April 03, 2014, 08:06:15 pm »





Here's MY version:






The Monkey Experiment
   There’s a famous experiment where they keep a bunch of monkeys in a room for an indefinite amount of time. There’s a big white staircase leading up out of the room. Every time a monkey climbs to the top of the staircase, he gets blasted back down the stairs with a hose. When this happens, every monkey in the room also gets blasted with water. This makes them very angry.

    Soon, the monkeys have figured it out: beat the shit out of any monkey that starts to climb the stairs. That’s the new rule.

    At some point, they remove a monkey and send in a new one. He learns the rule quickly: don’t climb the stairs. And if we’re beating somebody up, join in. One by one, they replace each monkey with a new one who has to learn the rule.

    At some point they can turn off the hose. The monkeys will reliably prevent escape. Policing the stairs has become a cultural norm. Eventually, they have this population of monkeys who are trained to beat up any monkey that tries to escape, but don’t even understand why.

    The experiment is run by interns who are paid in course credit. Occasionally, an intern finishes the semester and leaves. New interns join the team and everybody explains how to feed the monkeys and how to record the data. But at this point, none of the interns are from the original group, none of them have met the scientists leading this project. Most of the interns don’t fully understand the point of the experiment.

    The scientist who began the experiment left long ago. Other researchers were assigned to the project by an administrator in order to keep this valuable experiment running. None of the remaining scientists are actually authors of the paper, or even understand what it’s about. 

    The administrator supervising the project isn’t terribly involved with it. He just prolongs the experiment because it’s his department’s main source of funding. But he didn’t begin this project, he just inherited it from his predecessor, who is on a leave of absence and hasn’t been seen in some time.

    The company funding the experiment has a sum of money they spend annually on scientific research, mainly for tax reasons. But the person who reads and approves grants left last year. The last time anybody saw the man, he handed a huge folder to some new kid and said “make sure these stay funded.” Then he disappeared up a long staircase leading into the sky.

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Re: Experiments with monkeys
« Reply #57 on: April 03, 2014, 08:21:14 pm »
Ok, that pushed into pure parable, and improved on it. Cool story, bro.

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Re: Experiments with monkeys
« Reply #58 on: April 03, 2014, 09:14:27 pm »
I got an actual sense of WHOA from reading that. 10/10, much better than the original. Permission to repost next time I see the monkey meme on Facebook?
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Re: Experiments with monkeys
« Reply #59 on: April 03, 2014, 09:20:35 pm »
That is SO much better than the original.
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