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Re: Introductions, Part VI: Welcome to Our PD Party
« Reply #60 on: March 29, 2017, 07:11:45 pm »
Bit of an amorphous phrase, that. The observation is somewhat connected to this feeling, yes, but is informed by it rather than predicated. In example: Pain should be real. A marker. Something that ties us inextricably to the world of the material. It's how you know that you're dreaming. Pinch yourself, is what we say. Yet, pain, too, can be subjected to enough scrutiny that it ceases to affect us physically.

It's more of a generalization. Nothing seems real *enough* for tradition. The satisfaction of innate human biology to make what seems good and right or feels good and right a constant thing. Tradition. For our kids.

The 80's and 90's taught us that nothing matters and that everything should be treated with skepticism or sarcasm. It's in all the angry and disenfranchised music. It's in all the shows. Married With Children takes an archetype and makes a parody of it. Sure, it's understood as a parody, but how long before people forget what parody means because the meme of that worldview (Living a parody based upon an appreciation of irony that went a little too far and dug some roots in your greater perceptions) made it funny to have experiences that mirror the TV. You become the popular one at the water cooler if you can regail your workmates with stories of your life and progeny that 'beat all I've ever seen.'

About 10-15 years, it seems. In many cases, instantly.

Small part of a larger puzzle, yes, and some things do seem more real and worthy than others. But as I consider the origin of things more, they seem less so. Imposed. Just like the pain that you can see through if you try.

Does that help?

Okay, but... Nigel might have a more accurate explanation, but pain is a stimulation of a category of nerve cells, often in response to some form of damage.  It sounds like you've learned how to ignore that, rather than make it "go away" or "not exist".

That sounds quite a lot like weaponized denialism.

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Re: Introductions, Part VI: Welcome to Our PD Party
« Reply #61 on: March 29, 2017, 07:13:51 pm »

That sounds quite a lot like weaponized denialism.

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Re: Introductions, Part VI: Welcome to Our PD Party
« Reply #62 on: March 29, 2017, 07:15:18 pm »
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« Reply #63 on: March 29, 2017, 07:17:48 pm »
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Re: Introductions, Part VI: Welcome to Our PD Party
« Reply #64 on: March 29, 2017, 09:15:17 pm »
That sounds quite a lot like weaponized denialism.

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Re: Introductions, Part VI: Welcome to Our PD Party
« Reply #65 on: March 29, 2017, 10:51:27 pm »
Hey there, new guy!

I've been off Nigeling the shit out of things for a few days, but I'm looking forward to getting to know you. Many of us here cook, so please, jump on into an existing cooking thread, or feel free to start your own!

#1 tip I can give you is, try not to confuse any of us for any of the others of us. We are an "us" only loosely speaking (some more so than others), and often disagree with each other.

Most of us have a specialty of some sort. If you want to know stuff about brains, I'm your man. I have also been known to be an obnoxious, pedantic know-it-all about my area of interest, so if you just wanna think about stuff in a wibbly-wobbly unscientific armchairy sort of way, tell me and I'll shut up.

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Im guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk, Charles Wick said. It was very complicated.


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Re: Introductions, Part VI: Welcome to Our PD Party
« Reply #66 on: March 30, 2017, 03:32:18 pm »
Bit of an amorphous phrase, that. The observation is somewhat connected to this feeling, yes, but is informed by it rather than predicated. In example: Pain should be real. A marker. Something that ties us inextricably to the world of the material. It's how you know that you're dreaming. Pinch yourself, is what we say. Yet, pain, too, can be subjected to enough scrutiny that it ceases to affect us physically.

It's more of a generalization. Nothing seems real *enough* for tradition. The satisfaction of innate human biology to make what seems good and right or feels good and right a constant thing. Tradition. For our kids.

The 80's and 90's taught us that nothing matters and that everything should be treated with skepticism or sarcasm. It's in all the angry and disenfranchised music. It's in all the shows. Married With Children takes an archetype and makes a parody of it. Sure, it's understood as a parody, but how long before people forget what parody means because the meme of that worldview (Living a parody based upon an appreciation of irony that went a little too far and dug some roots in your greater perceptions) made it funny to have experiences that mirror the TV. You become the popular one at the water cooler if you can regail your workmates with stories of your life and progeny that 'beat all I've ever seen.'

About 10-15 years, it seems. In many cases, instantly.

Small part of a larger puzzle, yes, and some things do seem more real and worthy than others. But as I consider the origin of things more, they seem less so. Imposed. Just like the pain that you can see through if you try.

Does that help?

Hello new person. Generally I limit my interaction with these introductory threads to vacant snark, and really I have bother of much value to add to your various existential perplexions. However, I would add in this case an expression of my sense that such a command of the English language should not be wasted on poking around at this "imposed" reality looking for authenticity.

You could write novels with an ability like yours, or at least stuffy short stories, and there's nothing quite as real in this world as a whole world outside of it invented by the pen of a gifted writer. We humans decide for ourselves what is "real" anyway, often without much evidence to go on, and being consciously aware of that fact subtracts nothing from it. Just try to minimize the despondent solipsism. It's bad for the suspension of disbelief.
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Re: Introductions, Part VI: Welcome to Our PD Party
« Reply #67 on: March 30, 2017, 08:05:10 pm »
Hey new guy.

I think I see where you're coming from. let me share this...


In this medium, in this context,
this is the most real I can be with you.


a few months ago,
while I was drifting downwards,
letting gravity carry me through misery along the path of least resistance,

I found this plaque on a rock












Life is Real Only Then, When 'I Am'
« Last Edit: March 30, 2017, 08:07:52 pm by Cramulus »

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Re: Introductions, Part VI: Welcome to Our PD Party
« Reply #68 on: March 31, 2017, 06:13:25 am »
Yoink!
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Re: Introductions, Part VI: Welcome to Our PD Party
« Reply #69 on: March 31, 2017, 09:06:39 pm »
I had to stare at Cram's pic for like a full minute before I realized the last line was crediting Rumi.

I thought it said "Rum!"

Must be Friday.

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Re: Introductions, Part VI: Welcome to Our PD Party
« Reply #70 on: March 31, 2017, 10:57:50 pm »
I had to stare at Cram's pic for like a full minute before I realized the last line was crediting Rumi.

I thought it said "Rum!"

Must be Friday.

I like it better that way, actually.
Im guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk, Charles Wick said. It was very complicated.


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Re: Introductions, Part VI: Welcome to Our PD Party
« Reply #71 on: April 02, 2017, 08:49:26 am »
Pretty sure rum has been responsible for a lot more deep philosophical insight than the other fella  :lulz:
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Re: Introductions, Part VI: Welcome to Our PD Party
« Reply #72 on: April 02, 2017, 01:30:45 pm »
Pretty sure rum has been responsible for a lot more deep philosophical insight than the other fella  :lulz:

Also probably more wild spiritual experiences!
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Re: Introductions, Part VI: Welcome to Our PD Party
« Reply #73 on: April 03, 2017, 04:30:01 pm »
Pretty sure rum has been responsible for a lot more deep philosophical insight than the other fella  :lulz:

100% Truth.
Im guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk, Charles Wick said. It was very complicated.


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Re: Introductions, Part VI: Welcome to Our PD Party
« Reply #74 on: April 03, 2017, 05:05:59 pm »
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