The Barstool Experiment

[P3nT4gR4m]

How about the ocean deeps?  I think it's safe to say there is no humanity down there, cept for the occassional National Geographic submarine.  There's a certain reality, or "bits of stuff" that have, I assume, been existing without our presence.  Perhaps if we weren't around it would be different, in fact I'm sure it would be somehow.  But it would still "be" in some fashion wouldn't it?

Logic and almost every other rule you could apply, dictates that it does but I'd bet even science would be reluctant to call this an irrefutable fact because the bottom line is - we can't prove it.

It's an extension of BIP the way I see it, that and a bit of matrix flung in, that reality is actually projected by us and only exists in a bubble, around the observer. Yes, I agree, this is a patently ridiculous hypothesis but it is one, nonetheless that we can't completely rule out.

If you want to fuck your head in with metaphysics then, take it from someone who has, this kind of paradigm is exactly the kind of thing that will do it for you.

[Triple Zero]

i had typed up a very long reply saying about the same thing as Silly, but i didn't want to get anal about it.

[P3nT4gR4m]

I wasn't being pernickety, tbh, I found shit like this useful in the past. Operation mindfuck, self administered. You should see how fast the walls of the prison come down when you start entertaining notions like this.

[AFK]

How about the ocean deeps?  I think it's safe to say there is no humanity down there, cept for the occassional National Geographic submarine.  There's a certain reality, or "bits of stuff" that have, I assume, been existing without our presence.  Perhaps if we weren't around it would be different, in fact I'm sure it would be somehow.  But it would still "be" in some fashion wouldn't it?

Logic and almost every other rule you could apply, dictates that it does but I'd bet even science would be reluctant to call this an irrefutable fact because the bottom line is - we can't prove it.

It's an extension of BIP the way I see it, that and a bit of matrix flung in, that reality is actually projected by us and only exists in a bubble, around the observer. Yes, I agree, this is a patently ridiculous hypothesis but it is one, nonetheless that we can't completely rule out.

If you want to fuck your head in with metaphysics then, take it from someone who has, this kind of paradigm is exactly the kind of thing that will do it for you.

So you're saying that it's possible the ocean floor may only exist when we are actually there?
So, by this logic, it's possible to jump from a mile high cliff and walk away without a scratch. 

[Triple Zero]

So you're saying that it's possible the ocean floor may only exist when we are actually there?
So, by this logic, it's possible to jump from a mile high cliff and walk away without a scratch. 

i guess that would only work if you're not actually there when you hit the ground 

[LMNO]

I refer you to the first post of this very thread....

[AFK]

I think we're starting to stray into Cartoon Laws of Physics territory ITT.  

[Triple Zero]

um, but if someone hits you with a barstool and you somehow manage to not be actually there when the barstool is supposed to hit, you won't be hit either.

in laymans terms we call this "to duck".

is a bit harder to pull off when jumping off a cliff though

[Mangrove]

LMNO - sorry to backtrack. Can you elaborate more on the 'removing the observer' bit? I'd like to hear more about that.

Thanks.

[Triple Zero]

ah yeah, i was wondeirng about that as well

[LMNO]

Clumsily put, what Einstein realized is that in newtonian physics, when you measure something, the perspective (i.e. location and velocity in space-time) of the person measuring will affect the measurement.  The Theory of Special Relativity essentially gives a way you can accurately measure something regardless of your location or velocity.

That is, he was able to remove the observer.

This is only one example.

[Mangrove]

Clumsily put, what Einstein realized is that in newtonian physics, when you measure something, the perspective (i.e. location and velocity in space-time) of the person measuring will affect the measurement.  The Theory of Special Relativity essentially gives a way you can accurately measure something regardless of your location or velocity.

That is, he was able to remove the observer.

This is only one example.

Thanks. (I think) 

[LMNO]

If you're curious, I could describe it more, but it's basically:

Newton's Second Law didn't account for the speed of light being a constant.  This affected the measuring of things due to the observer.

Einstien found a way to measure them that emilinated the observer and factored in the constant speed of light.

[LMNO]

Hey, what happend to that pic about the barstool hitting the scientist and the preacher alike?

[AFK]

That was 000's if memory serves.  Was that ever posted here?  I know it was on the other place that went kerplooey.  In any event, I have it on my home pc, I'll post it here tomorrow if no-one finds it before me.