Know thy foe

[Cain]

http://www.ccel.us/Titles.html

Knowledge is power, after all.  You can't hope to undo a mindset without understanding it.

[Thurnez Isa]

a free copy of billy graham's "peace with god"

read at the library a few years back
read this
http://www.ccel.us/PeaceWithGod.Chapter14.html
its a little long winded if i remember correctly but important to us

[Thurnez Isa]

Ive been wanting to see the doc "jesus camp" for some time now
dont know if anyone has seen it
been having trouble finding it

[Jenne]

Find a fundie friend, as him where the nearest fundie bible house is (there's a few in town, to be sure) and order it from them.

Alternatively, find out which network aired it, and get their address and write to them.

D, search YouTube like you're being paid to do it.

[Starship, take me]

Ive been wanting to see the doc "jesus camp" for some time now
dont know if anyone has seen it
been having trouble finding it

The actual camp that documentary was based on shut down after they got so much attention.

Though the crazy fucks are still out there, turning their dogma into law.

[Thurnez Isa]

The actual camp that documentary was based on shut down after they got so much attention.

have you seen it?

usually i dont have too much trouble with ppl who believe in some crazy jesus shit
it their adults and dont try to "save my soul"
but when your brainwashing kids with your crap
thats all together different

[P3nT4gR4m]

The actual camp that documentary was based on shut down after they got so much attention.

have you seen it?

usually i dont have too much trouble with ppl who believe in some crazy jesus shit
it their adults and dont try to "save my soul"
but when your brainwashing kids with your crap
thats all together different

I've had that shit dude! 'Scripture Union summer camp' they called it. I was about 12 or 13. I had no fucking idea what the word 'Scripture' meant in this context. I gave absolutely no thought to the meaning of this name and they never mentioned it. What I was sold was abseilling and kayaking and rock climbing and assault courses and general cool shit. Then I got there and felt like an extra in the 'David Koresh Story'.

They hammered us with born agian bullshit about how empty our lives were and how we needed to ask jesus into our hearts and other bullshit along these lines. They used all kinds of subtle and not so subtle mindfuck tricks, wearing people down with circular arguments and NLP and all the rest. Shit gave me the creeps. I've hated the bastards ever since. The fundie, born again and literalist branches of most religions are intellectual quicksand and should be avoided and maybe fenced off, with some signs and stuff - Danger IQ deficit ahead!