LDD Sermon 7

[Cain]

,ÄúI could have you all that I love you,Äù
- Life like Weeds, Modest Mouse

,ÄúBut some things will never change
try to show another way but you stayin' in the dope game ,Äú
- Changes, 2Pac

The future teaches you to be alone the present to be afraid and cold
'So if I can shoot rabbits then I can shoot fascists'
- If You Tolerate This (then your children will be next), Manic Street Preachers


So you didn't do it.  I didn't think you would, but I hoped he would prove me wrong.  None of you even came close to killing the Good Reverend.  Well, actually, thats not the whole story.  You nearly fashioned ennui into a weapon of its own accord.  You may not have killed him, but you bought him closer to dying the only death that really matters ,Äì the death of the mind, the little deaths the Con inflicts every day.  Follow him, do this, don't disagree, you are powerless and the world is unchangeable.  Thats their tune, not ours.  Who's doing the thinking right now, you or them?  Can you even tell the difference?

The Reverend was like unto a Rebel God from Subgenius lore.  His sermons, stripped down to their most basic level were the same things those odd entities who oppose the Elder Gods have been screaming since the Universe was born; get ready.  This is the future.  You can fight, or you can submit and wither and die the truth death, the mind-death of the Con.

But what did you do?  You saw the problem, once explained and laid out, it seemed obvious.  The blinds were pulled from your eyes, for the moment, but then you fell back into programmed thinking.  I am a small, lone voice in a Universe that doesn't care......

I despaired of this to the point of giving you the damn tools themselves.  I didn't want to, but I felt it necessary.  You looked at his sermons, said ,Äúgood show,Äù, thought about it a bit then went back to your lives.  I rarely replied unless I had something constructive to say, you may or may not have noticed.  But I read every one of them.  And I thought and when I couldn't think any longer, I went to the library or the bookstores.  There are books out there the Con never meant for peasants like me to look at.  Nasty little books which teach the blackest arts.  Nothing so boring or ineffective as magick or ancient rituals.  No, modern rituals of death, deception and destruction.  How to kill silently and in the dark...how to break a man....how to manipulate the thoughts of others....strategy...law.....realpolitik....a thousand and one techniques all able to be used in a thousand and one ways, many that were never considered by their blinkered authors, so single-minded and of one purpose they could never think in another way.  I took all of these and thought until it hurt and put pen to paper and came up with things that worked, within my own odd moral code.

But I didn't have to.  And perhaps I shouldn't have.  Not a single person has approached me and said ,Äúalright, lets get this rolling.,Äù  Not one.  You did the same as with Roger, even when the tools were laid out for you, ready for the taking.

So maybe I was mistaken.  Why should I bother playing for this team when all it will lead to is harassment, lawsuits and a poor life?  I don't have to work for the Discordians, you know.  My conscience is not so strong I can't strangle it.  The Con pays well nowadays, not to mention its most faithful servants can get up to all sorts of hijinks, with a certain amount of discretion.  I could be the next Henry Kissinger.  Or the next Ayman al-Zawahiri.  Its so much easier than you could ever imagine.

What the hell do you people want?  What do you need?  Are you after another leader, because thats how it looks from back here.  Have you considered leaders are exactly how this problem started in the first place?  Or are you waiting for the final confirmation?  The death camps, the slave labour and the indefinite detention.  The idea is to nip those in the bud before they happen.

The police state has arrived.  It came piecemeal, in a creeping fashion over the last 25 years.  You want final confirmation where there will be none.  Water on stone is the method of their advance.  Drip, drip, drip....and thus the nature of the stone is changed.  But thats only one way it can go.  Sun Tzu teaches that the shih, the natural force that exists from moment to moment in the contextual nature of the environment around us, can be turned to victory by the able commander.  Are you an able commander?  And if not, why not?

Strategy is my god, as Eris is the handmaiden of war and the power that lies behind every indirect attack.  And strategy dictates that I measure effectiveness by results, not eloquent talk.  There has been too much eloquent talk.  Explain your defeat and go and win, or get out of my sight, because only your deeds will matter.  The Assassins knew this, their sect held the only truth was action and the only reasons for actions were held by the Imams.  In Discordianism, you are the Imam.  You have the reasons, but you do not act.  Strategy has a simple logic and one that rings true down the ages ,Äì if you want something, you have to act for it.  No wishing and sitting around will ever work and is only the dream of fantasists.

Only through conflict is anything solved.  This conflict need not be violent, but it must exist.  Your timidity is nothing more than another control device.  Its not even your thought, its theirs.  Only through confrontation can civilized values be retained, can be protected from the grim death that awaits you in the underbelly of the Con.  If you are not even committed to your own defence, then we have nothing more to say to each other.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Sounds like you got yourself a terminal case of beliefs there but hey, I'm bored anough, I'll play along. What would it take for someone like me to do to make you feel optimistic? You wan't me to blow something up? Paint a slogan somewhere? Shoot someone? You're having a go at me for doing nothing what do you think should I be doing and how?

[Cain]

Nope.  I'm pissy because Roger fucked off because no-one ever did anything more than nod and go "yep" at his sermons.  Just like you're doing right now.

[Cain]

Oh, and I've already explained my reasoning and the things that have happened to me to make me give a fuck.  If you don't like that, you can piss off, because I'm tired of repeating and justifying myself.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Read my post again. Very slowly if that helps. Note that I never once questioned why. My question is what? You guys are all fucking brilliant at pointing out what's wrong, there's always room for debating some of the finer points but, on most of the real big issues I've a tendency to agree but no one here has ever suggested a way of stopping or changing the wrong bits or, if anyone ever does make the mistake of suggesting a plan, they get shot down in flames; "that's fucking stupid, it'd never work because - whatever"

Fact is none of you have the slightest clue what the fuck to do but your ego's prevent you from being open to ideas because if you haven't figured it out by now then it must be impossible right? All these rants are fucking lovely calls to arms but no one knows where the weapons are so really they're just calls to bitch and whine. Nothing will ever be done because this is an internet forum. Nothing ever get's done on internet forums.

I ask again - what do you want me to do?

[Cain]

Reading comprehension much?  I've done at least 3 rants in the past 2 months alone that spell out how to go about things.  What the fuck else do you want me to do, hold your hands and take you step by step, ordering your individual actions?  Find another babysitter/wannabe leader, because I don't play that way.

Fuck off asshole, at least I've given it a shot, which is more than 90% of the losers who call themselves "Discordian".

[P3nT4gR4m]

Yup, just as I figured - no fucking idea. Cos if you had an idea you'd be doing it by now instead of whining about how no one else is. But no, you're gonna finish school like a healthy little student, then you're gonna plug yourself into the rat race with some bullshit excuse about how you plan to be a spanner in the works and achieve the downfall of all that's wrong from a nice comfy 3 bed semi in the burbs.

Of course right now you're in complete denial about this, you're totally different from 99.999% of the idealistic rebels without a clue that have ended up settling down and enjoying the rest of their life their life right?. You're going through that stage where you think you can actually make a difference by attacking something other than your own fucking stupid attitude. Good luck you'd be the first.

Wake up primate you have no fucking idea who built the prison who runs the machine and who orchestrates the con. The only reason I'm telling you this is because one day you'll understand what I'm saying and you'll realise that I wasnt the fucking idiot you thought I was. Then you'll hate me even more.

[Cain]

I already have ideas.  But guess what?  I cant do it alone.  I'm one person and one person cannot do everything, strangely enough.  You must have missed this bit in your rush to show once again how incredibly hip your nihilism is: "Not a single person has approached me and said ,Äúalright, lets get this rolling.,Äù  Not one."

But nice try with the ad hominem.  You just showed your true colours, so nice going.  Trying to get me riled?  Sorry, I'm already pissed and you can't do a thing to change it.

Oh, and nice job of disrespecting my ex-girlfriend, my parents and everyone else I'm doing this shit for.  You're a real star, you know that?

Oh, and for a nihilist, you sure as hell do put alot of effort into trying to piss me off.

[LMNO]

"Not a single person has approached me and said ,Äúalright, lets get this rolling.,Äù  Not one."



But that's not true.

[Cain]

Care to remind me?  Not a single person has come to me talking about doing a huge media covered jake, or about my rant on subversion.  They come asking for my help on their projects, but no-one has taken an interest in mine.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Care to remind me?  Not a single person has come to me talking about doing a huge media covered jake, or about my rant on subversion.  They come asking for my help on their projects, but no-one has taken an interest in mine.

I've asked you twice already, in this thread alone. But you took it personally and got riled up and snapped at me so I snapped back. I'll apologise if that helps to cut through the bullshit - I think we're both people who do not like to be fucked with.

3rd time - Im in - what do you want me to do?

[LMNO]

I feel I have been consistent in my agreement to participate in The Network, Media Division.

Granted, no one's been leaping up to help me out [looks at ECH and LHX], but all the same, I'm here.

[Cain]

Care to remind me?  Not a single person has come to me talking about doing a huge media covered jake, or about my rant on subversion.  They come asking for my help on their projects, but no-one has taken an interest in mine.

I've asked you twice already, in this thread alone. But you took it personally and got riled up and snapped at me so I snapped back. I'll apologise if that helps to cut through the bullshit - I think we're both people who do not like to be fucked with.

3rd time - Im in - what do you want me to do?

I took it personally because every damn time I post in here or PD Discussion you jump down my fucking throat flaunting your "nihilism" in an attempt to piss me off.  Why the fuck shouldn't I just treat you like I would any other third bit troll and bounce your ass off the screen sides? 

And lets see: I've suggested setting up websites detailing YOUR explanation of Discordianism, then planning a very big, media attractive jake.  Base of lots of Discordian sites (all interconnected) plus media exposure leads to interest.  Alot of the right sort of people find things they like, if they look around enough.  Then they go on to start questioning things.

That dovetails perfectly into the subversion article I wrote.  Open Source Chaos.  Lots of seperate, but interconnected groups, working with other similar local groups (localised gruges) teaching them new techniques of protesting, new methods of advertising, to get the message out there.   Not only does that have an end in and of itself, it acts as a testing lab for effective methods.

[Cain]

I feel I have been consistent in my agreement to participate in The Network, Media Division.

Granted, no one's been leaping up to help me out [looks at ECH and LHX], but all the same, I'm here.

Thats true, I'm sorry.  No-one else has looked into that, however, bar Neutrangrot.  Even Syn has not got back to me.

[P3nT4gR4m]

I took it personally because every damn time I post in here or PD Discussion you jump down my fucking throat flaunting your "nihilism" in an attempt to piss me off.  Why the fuck shouldn't I just treat you like I would any other third bit troll and bounce your ass off the screen sides? 

I think its a communication issue or maybe one of understanding. I am not trying to rub 'my nihilism' in anyones face. For one thing I'm not really a nihilist, I'm not a discordian either but I do have certain points of view pertaining to both of these. Sometimes I feel something you've said sounds a bit negative or like you're getting really down about it and I try to crack some flippant joke to maybe help you get a little more upbeat about it.

I've realised that this not somethig  I should be doing with you. You hold your beliefs very dear and see any wisecracking as an attack. This is commendable - I can totally respect that - to an extent I wish there were more like you cos if you don't roll over and join the machine you'll be able to make a big diff even on your own. There's not much point in apologising any more but I do ask you to keep an open mind - I'm not what you seem to think I am. I really am on your side.

Can we bury this hatchett or would you prefer I just fuck off? It's your forum more than mine - as a sign of respect I'll leave if I'm pissing you off too much.