A Sermon

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Maybe he was just having an off day. Benefit of the doubt and all that.

An off day explains the bad writing, which I can forgive.

It doesn't excuse the fuckwit swiping my tagline, and then excusing it with "it's bigger than just one person".

Morally, of course, there's zero (0) difference between that and the things he complains about.

[Bhode_Sativa]

Hah, you believe in morals.  Territorial crybaby.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Hah, you believe in morals.  Territorial crybaby.

So your beliefs were all a lie.

What a shock.  Just another suburban whiteboi with a bad case of guilt.

[Bhode_Sativa]

There's a difference between morals and practicality.  It's just stupid to ruin the planet for the future generations of our species, but not morally wrong.  Morals reflect the established doctrines of whatever culture you're a part of, which could include cannibalism, incest, and any number of things depending on where you grew up.  But morals don't make you right.  You should know better than that by now.

[P3nT4gR4m]

There's a difference between morals and practicality.  It's just stupid to ruin the planet for the future generations of our species, but not morally wrong.  Morals reflect the established doctrines of whatever culture you're a part of, which could include cannibalism, incest, and any number of things depending on where you grew up.  But morals don't make you right.  You should know better than that by now.

[hunter s.durden]

Hold on. Close to a good point, but it doesn't work for me.

In another 20 billion years the universe will collapse on itself, and not only won't exist, but will never have existed. (a difficult concept but I think i'm onto something there) Therefore suffering in a cave for the sake of the dolphins or the future cave offspring doesn't logically compute either.

Destroy the plant, save the planet... Either way the sun is going to expand and fry it like mercury.
And you know how I hate Mercury.

[LHX]

collapse on itself and still be a universe

intense

[faust]

theres also a strong chance that when it reexpands it will do it in the exact same way repeating forever, make the most of your actions by your own moral judgments but be sure to consider that you are wrong, also the human race will be long gone before the sun ever expands,

[Bhode_Sativa]

I can see your point, I even agree with it to a certain extent, but I do feel there is a difference between doing something stupidly, and doing it intelligently, regardless of what timescale you use. 

[hunter s.durden]

If the universe collapses and disappears, space goes away as does time. In a way if the universe doesn't exist, it never existed. Nothing matters.
If the universe reforms, and does so in the exact same way, everything will happen exactly the same. That means no free will, so our actions mean nothing, as we're only doing the same thing we did before, and will continure to do. Nothing matters.
As far as stupid and smart desicions, it's a matter of taste. Your smart decisions are stupid to me. Nothing matters.

[Bhode_Sativa]

on a side note, have you read Transmetropolitan?  The main character is semi-modeled on HST.

[hunter s.durden]

My name was almost Spider Durden.
My hatefum venom is semi-modeled on Transmet.

[Bhode_Sativa]

Nothing matters might be true, but I still care.  Only sometimes though. 

[faust]

If the universe collapses and disappears, space goes away as does time. In a way if the universe doesn't exist, it never existed. Nothing matters.
If the universe reforms, and does so in the exact same way, everything will happen exactly the same. That means no free will, so our actions mean nothing, as we're only doing the same thing we did before, and will continure to do. Nothing matters.
As far as stupid and smart desicions, it's a matter of taste. Your smart decisions are stupid to me. Nothing matters.

Not quite, a snapshot put into a film reel and played over and over is still of an event, made by the people in it, its their actions that count. In fact if anything it makes them more important because it will never change. we can never know what happened before or again so your out of luck dont pin this on lack of free will.

Your smart decisions are stupid to me
fine and dandy, just be sure you are always open to the possibility you are wrong in that judgment and you will have smooth sailing.

[hunter s.durden]

If the universe is all there is though, there is no snapshot. It would be different if there was an outside looking in, but the universe is it.
I personally believe in free will. I also personally believe that because one day we won't exist, in a way we never exist. It's kind of an effect before cause thing. We won't exist, therefore we don't exist. Sounds weird, but it makes sense to me.

I don't really believe in being wrong or right (sorta). Everything is opinion. Reality is subjective to me. What is (to me) is, what isn't (to me) isn't.
I'm right until i'm wrong.