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Started by LHX, December 03, 2006, 07:31:18 PM

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Quote from: triple zero on December 14, 2006, 05:40:42 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 14, 2006, 05:07:11 PMThe Zero could be the Ain Sof Aur of the Kaballah.

and if Ain Soph Aur is the triple veil of negative existence, that would make Triple Zero  :-D

no but seriously, good idea, i was in fact thinking the same thing while summarizing the bit above

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Triple Zero

0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, ..

ok, having put zero in its place, there's still two open slots to fill in:

- what's up with the double one? two types of unity? i'm pretty sure some qabalistic reasoning cut be put forth, but the nice thing about the thingy we have now is that it combines all kinds of different systems (symbolic ways to divide and categorize reality, in fact), and we already have qabalah at zero.
i was thinking perhaps the Self as One and the Cosmos/Universe/Everything as the other One. one for the microcosm and one for the macrocosm. if this is a good idea, which one should go first?

- what will we put at the thirteen-division? any clues yet?

also yesterday i tried to calculate the sequence backwards, to see if it would go anywhere before the zero. basically you just take the difference of the two next in sequence to calculate the former. if you carry on after (before) zero, the sequence just mirrors like:
.., 8, 5, 3, 2, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, .. etc
which nicely ties in with the idea of putting them in concentric circles, in a geometric way. so that's good.

lhx did you find that scan already? :-)
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So, we're looking to fill in the two "1"-s.


SO:  after Ain Sof Aur, you get Universe-- that is, the full, infinite Unioverse that no human will ever experience, due to the fact that a human is incapable of experienceing that universe.  Ha!  I just added the BIP to the chart.

The second "1" is the Universe we can experience; the one most people think of when they are concious.

How about that?

Triple Zero

sounds good, would the second one also be the microcosm, the self, in a kind-of-but-not-quite solipsistic way?
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Quote from: triple zero on December 15, 2006, 10:21:20 AM
0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, ..

ok, having put zero in its place, there's still two open slots to fill in:

- what's up with the double one? two types of unity? i'm pretty sure some qabalistic reasoning cut be put forth, but the nice thing about the thingy we have now is that it combines all kinds of different systems (symbolic ways to divide and categorize reality, in fact), and we already have qabalah at zero.
i was thinking perhaps the Self as One and the Cosmos/Universe/Everything as the other One. one for the microcosm and one for the macrocosm. if this is a good idea, which one should go first?

- what will we put at the thirteen-division? any clues yet?

also yesterday i tried to calculate the sequence backwards, to see if it would go anywhere before the zero. basically you just take the difference of the two next in sequence to calculate the former. if you carry on after (before) zero, the sequence just mirrors like:
.., 8, 5, 3, 2, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, .. etc
which nicely ties in with the idea of putting them in concentric circles, in a geometric way. so that's good.

lhx did you find that scan already? :-)


Haven't actually been studying the quaballa for a good few years now so it's rusty as hell, except for the general stuff, but 13 is the path 'nun' from tiphareth to netzach, respresented in the tarot major arcana as death. I never really got the 'nun' part (my hebrew sucks) but I believe it's someone kneeling in prayer which would be the type of prayer meant to lead to samadhi, as opposed to the "Please god can I have a new bike" - kind. Samadhi itself is a form often described as a death of sorts, the sort that 13 implies.

Death leads to rebirth in a cyclic paradigm and, if we examine musickal theory we find that the 13th semitone is the start of the regeneration of the octave. It's one and three as well which would form a pyramid. All in all, prolly cos of the death thing it's become one of those superstitious numbers (prolly the worst offender) you have to die to be reborn. A paradigm must be destroyed for a new one to exist in it's place. So it's a scary thing for some.

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Quote from: LMNO on December 15, 2006, 01:21:45 PM
So, we're looking to fill in the two "1"-s.


SO:  after Ain Sof Aur, you get Universe-- that is, the full, infinite Unioverse that no human will ever experience, due to the fact that a human is incapable of experienceing that universe.  Ha!  I just added the BIP to the chart.

The second "1" is the Universe we can experience; the one most people think of when they are concious.

How about that?

From point-line-triangle geometric progression 1 is a line. For one to be observed the observer must observe the line. When the observer is removed from the line another line is formed between the first line this is how 2 comes about.

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Triple Zero

i thought we were talking about a division of things into 13 parts/categories, not the significance of the numbers themselves.

where ain soph aur would be the division by zero, yep that makes perfect sense ;-)
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Quote from: triple zero on December 15, 2006, 01:39:40 PM
i thought we were talking about a division of things into 13 parts/categories, not the significance of the numbers themselves.

where ain soph aur would be the division by zero, yep that makes perfect sense ;-)

Sorry - happens everytime I get into kabala. Kinda why I gave it up. So 13 is the eschaton then?

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LHX

i mentioned back at TDN that the only thing i could find for 13 was that it was actually 13 tribes of Israel instead of 12

plus it has been argued that instead of being a clean 12 months in a year of 30 days each, there is actually 12+1 months or 12 months and 1 transition (5/6 days)

nothing else comes to mind right now


1 and 1 could be Tai Chi and Wu Chi as well

ill get that chart up soon
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^^^also for clarity - in this situation, the significance of the Tribes of Israel is that each one represented a certain something - an attribute

not talking about actual groups of people
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Triple Zero

it has to be something you can use to classify/categorize reality or concepts with, like:

2 - yin/yang or male/female

5 - water/fire/earth/air/spirit (personally i don't like the 5 elements, i'd rather just use 4, but the 5 fits in the sequence here)

8 - eight elements of i-ching (heaven earth thunder water mountain wind/wood fire lake)

21 - major arcana (minus the Fool, i suppose)

(the 0 and 1, 1 cases are kind of exceptions to this cause they don't categorize anything)

see let's say you have a pizza. you could categorize this as male, earth, thunder and umm the Sun (cause it's round and hot - i dunno) .. or maybe i'm taking LHXs idea too far off, i'm not really sure where he was heading with it.

also, the next number in the series is 34 and then 55 .. place your bets ;-)

though maybe getting only 4 obvious "hits" is not enough to carry this system all the way..
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well, considering humans have only been at it for a few thousand years, 4 seems pretty dam good


it really made me have respect for tarot - that shit is thoro


i mean, if you are talking about breaking up a circular process into smaller and smaller segments AND assigning labels to differentiate each segment -- thats tough


BUT
now that i think about it

putting together a ring of 34 could very well be the type of thing that the SSOOKN could cash in off of...
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Triple Zero

also, in case anybody wants to play with integer sequences:

The On-Line Encyclopedia of Integer Sequences
enter a bunch of numbers and it will find what sequence it is. try fibonacci, try the first few primes, try squares, try something random. try fibonacci times three, it will probably find them all
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Quote from: LHX on December 15, 2006, 02:06:38 PM
i mentioned back at TDN that the only thing i could find for 13 was that it was actually 13 tribes of Israel instead of 12

plus it has been argued that instead of being a clean 12 months in a year of 30 days each, there is actually 12+1 months or 12 months and 1 transition (5/6 days)

nothing else comes to mind right now


1 and 1 could be Tai Chi and Wu Chi as well

ill get that chart up soon

Put Xtianity in there - 13 apostles.  Judas counts.

Triple Zero

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