Aneristic Strife

[Jenne]

Ah.  Well, I will think for myself on this then, and then share if it's worthy.

[Cain]

I don't think it is that new - imposition of order is aneristic by its nature, but because of its limited understanding and inability to deal with contradictions breaks down, causing chaos as it gains and loses momentum.

[Jenne]

Also, I tend to think people go one of TWO ways as growing up:  total or near-total emulation of environment, or total rejection and a 180' turn away from it...

[DJRubberducky]

I figure strife is strife, and whether it's eristic or aneristic depends on why you're struggling.

If the police are called in to break up a riot, strife will ensue.  For the rioters, it's an eristic strife because their goal was to help bring about change.  For the police, it's an aneristic strife because their goal was to maintain the status quo.

Authority's struggle to maintain its authority is probably always aneristic strife.  And that's why sticking apart is so important.  Organizations gain strength from their organization (see the roots of the word "fascism"), but then they have to put energy into maintaining that strength rather than actually going out and achieving the goal they had in mind.  The trouble with organized religion is that it became less about religion and more about the being organized.

[LMNO]

Cain:

The reason I started this thread was because "Aneristic Strife" sounded like a contradiction.

Since "Aneristic" is the illusion that everything is ordered, and "strife" is one of Eris' gambits, putting them together sounded like "Ordered Disorder".

Now, while the New Chart I developed does indeed handle this, it hasn't really been kicked around too much.

My interpretation of it would probably be the most kafka-esque beurocracy.  So much is ordered, that the Disorder naturally takes over, since there are too many rules to process.

[Cain]

I dunno, it just seems intuitive to me, especially when you take into account a period of time, as opposed to a snapshot view of something.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Cain:

The reason I started this thread was because "Aneristic Strife" sounded like a contradiction.

Since "Aneristic" is the illusion that everything is ordered, and "strife" is one of Eris' gambits, putting them together sounded like "Ordered Disorder".

Now, while the New Chart I developed does indeed handle this, it hasn't really been kicked around too much.

My interpretation of it would probably be the most kafka-esque beurocracy.  So much is ordered, that the Disorder naturally takes over, since there are too many rules to process.

If there's order in chaos then is there perhaps chaos in order?

[LHX]

yes

think of the word universe

[Triple Zero]

aneristic strife = what happens when order just doesn't work, even when you think you've pinned down ever possible case

(oblivious of the fact that it is just this pinning down why it doesnt work)

it's what happens when people start fixing things in a very short-sighted way. like whack-a-mole. like hunting bugs or exploits in software. you got everything strapped down so tightly that NOTHING COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG .. aneristic strife is that gnawing feeling in the back of their head that it might just possibly (but nah it couldn't really) be the straps themselves causing the trouble.

[Jenne]

Aha.  I get it now.

It's that "turning point"...or the beginning of it, the struggle, perhaps,  that causes the turning point, turning away, then turning towards whatever it is that you might have discovered to replace that which you are turning away from.

Interesting.

[P3nT4gR4m]

aneristic strife = what happens when order just doesn't work, even when you think you've pinned down ever possible case

(oblivious of the fact that it is just this pinning down why it doesnt work)

it's what happens when people start fixing things in a very short-sighted way. like whack-a-mole. like hunting bugs or exploits in software. you got everything strapped down so tightly that NOTHING COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG .. aneristic strife is that gnawing feeling in the back of their head that it might just possibly (but nah it couldn't really) be the straps themselves causing the trouble.

I'm stealing that 

[Triple Zero]

 

btw, sillycybin, you never came to the 'old' BIP forum, did you? any reason or just "wheh not another forum to read"

[P3nT4gR4m]

btw, sillycybin, you never came to the 'old' BIP forum, did you? any reason or just "wheh not another forum to read"

I came a few times but it seemed real slow (not much posting) and I guess I just kinda forgot about it after a while.  Attention span of a wasp.

[AFK]

Yeah, it slowed down quite a bit when this place came alive again.  Which, of course, I expected.  But that's cool.  It's certainly for the best especially considering BIP/TDN whatever went down in flames. 

Of course the delusional part of me would like to think it got slow because my sparkling personality wasn't around as often.  But, I'm not delusional.  Well, not too much anyway.   

[LHX]

there are strange dynamics to forums

peaks and silent periods


its gettin cold now - people be inside a bit more