The Fear and Desire Loop

[Jenne]

On angst:  I think there is a disease in the human mind--it's the quest to just get and beget.  Now, if there are obstacles to that, yes, you have angst.  If not, you'll have angst about the fact you DON'T have obstacles, and what you'll do when you encounter them.  Anyone who's been rich or know anyone who is knows that.

So!  I believe that angst, at least for us post-post-modern, Westernized fools is a real part of our subculture/society.  We are fed it in spoons, it's jarred and sold on the market, and then the drugs to sweep it under the rug are Rx'd to the nines.

Groups like THIS, however, delve into the angst, chop it up, dissect it, reform it and punch it til it's bloody.  Ya'll have a waaaay different approach, and it appeals because it's not marketed as a solution to the angst but rather a panacea to its symptoms.

I'm hoping this panacea will help me some, but who the fuck knows in the end, eh?

[P3nT4gR4m]

Eh.  The only destination I can see from HERE is 6' under.  Just saying.

Before 6ft under comes egodeath. Trick is to fit the latter in as long before the former as poss.

[P3nT4gR4m]

I'm hoping this panacea will help me some, but who the fuck knows in the end, eh?

Only you.

[LMNO]

I see what Hang is saying, I think-- that once you start striving for enlightenment (whatever that is), they enter what RAW and AC calls "Chapel Perilous" or "The Void" (Da'ath?). 

That is, when you get going, you have to dissillusion youself of all (most of) what you were taught.  That brings angst.  Many people give up at this point.

I like the reality of this, Hang.  The road is tough, and it's best to know you're getting into heavy shit.

[P3nT4gR4m]

I see what Hang is saying, I think-- that once you start striving for enlightenment (whatever that is), they enter what RAW and AC calls "Chapel Perilous" or "The Void" (Da'ath?). 

That is, when you get going, you have to dissillusion youself of all (most of) what you were taught.  That brings angst.  Many people give up at this point.

I like the reality of this, Hang.  The road is tough, and it's best to know you're getting into heavy shit.

The long dark night of the soul. It's long and dark and also quite souley and nighty while its at it. It's no fucking joke and only the strong survive. Then comes the golden dawn - not the 19th century philosophers club but the bright awakening it was named after.

[LMNO]

And then it's right back into the Chapel again.




LMNO
-knows it's a lot like an acid trip: a week later, and it's like it never happened.

[P3nT4gR4m]

And then it's right back into the Chapel again.




LMNO
-knows it's a lot like an acid trip: a week later, and it's like it never happened.

Hell yeah. Just when you think you've got it sussed you're back to square 1 again. Progress is spiral I was told years ago. Took me a fkin age to get what that meant.

[LMNO]

"A true initiation never ends."
-Uncle Al.

[P3nT4gR4m]

"A true initiation never ends."
-Uncle Al.

There's something happens that first moment tho that changes you for life.

"When the doors of perception are opened theres no closing them."
- Huxley (paraphrased due to sheer lazyness)

[AFK]

"A true initiation never ends."
-Uncle Al.

There's something happens that first moment tho that changes you for life.

"When the doors of perception are opened theres no closing them."
- Huxley (paraphrased due to sheer lazyness)

169% troof right there. 

And I bet a lot of us remember the exact moment those doors opened.  You have that moment, and I know this sounds sooo cliche, but you know you'll never be able to go back. 

[LHX]

from 1 prison into a bigger prison that includes the smaller prison

like them dolls that you keep opening it up and theres a smaller one inside


leave these bodies behind and find yourself in a bigger one
etc
etc

[P3nT4gR4m]

"A true initiation never ends."
-Uncle Al.

There's something happens that first moment tho that changes you for life.

"When the doors of perception are opened theres no closing them."
- Huxley (paraphrased due to sheer lazyness)

169% troof right there.

And I bet a lot of us remember the exact moment those doors opened. You have that moment, and I know this sounds sooo cliche, but you know you'll never be able to go back.

Read my bring and brag (someone, anyone please) The irony is that that moment I described there haunted me for the best part of 15 years before I finally understood it in the context I described it there. 15 years ammounts to one fucking long, fucking dark night, including 2 bouts of institutionalised insanity, a messy divorce, a spot or two of homelessness and a whole bunch of other shit that sucked bigtime.

Of course now that I get the joke I'm glad it all happened that way. Quite enlightening to look back on the trian wreck that was my life.

[SAVAGE]

BUMP

[Honey]

BUMP

How unusual?

Meaningful, creative & original, yet cryptic & mysterious?

YET unamusing.  hhhmmm, & please think for yourself schmuck.

*Thanks & Respect.*

[SAVAGE]

BUMP

How unusual?

Meaningful, creative & original, yet cryptic & mysterious?

*Thanks & Respect.*

Cheers...I was going to stop bumping but because of your kind words the next ten are for you hunny bunny.