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Re: The Moon
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2006, 04:39:22 pm »
Nope.  I just think you're simplifying things waaaaay too much.

I can see God as an archetype of the Father Figure, but I feel that, where most people (save lunar-worshippers) will see the Moon as obviously symbolic, they won't see YHVH as symbolic, in any form.


Some will, but they'll mostly be non-xtian scholars.

Yeah but it was the wicks I was talking about specifically. I was trying to examine a dynamic. Also did point out it was a train of thought. I'm merely exploring this as we go. I don't really have an argument to present. Was food for thought is all.
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Re: The Moon
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2006, 04:46:32 pm »
Well, keep it going.

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Re: The Moon
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2006, 04:56:04 pm »
K here's what my brain did next:

Archetypes are just there. We can't describe them because, essentially, they are describing us. But we want to describe them so we assign symbols to them and interface with them through these symbols. From the point of view I was coming from these symbols are, to all intents and purposes, taken as the archetypes themselves. But symbols can be hybridised, incorporating various aspects in a mix 40% of one, 30% two others for example. These are the gods we worship. Egregores which, if modified to demand our subservience, will stop us from using the symbols to interface directly. This is worship, in it's form and function.
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Re: The Moon
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2006, 03:20:23 pm »
sillycybin wrote:
> Train of thought derailed by this post: The moon is an archetype. The wiccans, in turning
> hokey paganism into a religion, bade the wiccans worship it. YHVH is an archetype. The x-ists,
> in turning hokey jewish mysticism into a religion, bade the x-ists worship it. I'm seeing
> a pattern here. Bar the metaphysical exits by teaching the believers to stand in awe, rather
> than walk out through, the gates.

could someone transform that into a oneliner for me, for easiness of sticking on my fridge? :)

whether YHVH is an archetype or not. i get the idea (at least i think i do), and you rephrase it here:

> Archetypes are just there. We can't describe them because, essentially, they are describing
> us. But we want to describe them so we assign symbols to them and interface with them through these
> symbols. From the point of view I was coming from these symbols are, to all intents and purposes,
> taken as the archetypes themselves. But symbols can be hybridised, incorporating various aspects in a
> mix 40% of one, 30% two others for example. These are the gods we worship. Egregores which, if
> modified to demand our subservience, will stop us from using the symbols to interface directly. This
> is worship, in it's form and function.

i'm beginning to see a bigger pattern here.

so we have archetypes and symbols. the distinction is a bit unclear to me, i'll just go with that one is a symbolic representation of the other, i suppose.

at first we use these symbols as tools, for some purpose. the symbol is a tool for representing the idea of an archetype.

now the tool associated with YHVH is a very powerful one. and what happens when tools become more powerful than the people that wield them?

the Machine is what happens. (or the Prison - your pick)

people start worshipping the symbol instead of using it as a tool, they stop in their tracks and create another bar of the prison. for the most, it's even out of the hands of the priests that were using it. (well, not entirely, possibly you could say the CoN wields some of the big tools)

so my head's a bit blurry now, maybe i took a few thought leaps. LHX probably gets where i'm going with this. the entire business is about that we are able to create tools more powerful than ourselves. and not just a littlebit more powerful (like a car or a gun could be imagined to be), but several orders of magnitude more powerful (like the atom bomb, religion, the internet, computers, fossile fuel, money).

we are the slaves of our servants, in the shadow of our ambitions

(repeating a bit of what i said on the old BIP here) this is probably the reason why some of the people that come here start talking about "we need to go back to nature" (right before such threads are reduced to a smoking hole in the ground). of course they don't really want to go back to a life-expectancy of 30 years. what happened is they notice there is something wrong, they become aware of part of the Prison, they identify some of the bars -- civilisation! -- and jump to conclusions.
maybe i'm jumping to conclusions as well, but what i think those people actually want, is to "get in touch", they see the bars of the prison and the bars are tools, tools they can't wield anymore, because they grown too big and too complicated.
i don't know what's the solution to that. i like my computer, i like my internets. ok, granted, i know up to a great detail how they work, does that help me?

but as i said, probably i'm jumping to conclusions as well. these are yet another set of bars in the prison. i just gave a shot to trying and merge two classes together: the bars are the things we can't contain ourselves any longer, and therefore contain us.

maybe there's more types of bar, i dunno.
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Re: The Moon
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2006, 04:21:45 pm »
This thread is called the moon. I think is started as an offshoot of someone mentioning the moon as an archetype. Let's examine the archetype. The moon in madygickle terminology is sometimes referred to as 'foundation' the foundation of the illusion that we react to. It's the projector or the lense through which we see the projection.

It works, at that archetypal level, by taking pure energy and making it into forms which appear concrete to us but it represents this form, not only in terms of bricks and mortar, but also in terms of notions which we take to be the way things are, ie 'beliefs'. Bricks and mortar are harder not to believe in but essentially any belief can be overturned. So when you suddenly see through a mass produced human lie which you fell for for so many years, the resulting kneejerk reaction is to start attacking everything that you ever believed in. This is healthy and destructive at the same time.
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Re: The Moon
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2006, 11:38:29 pm »
The moon causes Cancer!
Cancer is a soft core in the tough shell
Of the black iron prison
A weak spot
Capricorn is the black iron prison
The machine
The devil
And a manufacturer of the spork
That you will use to dig your way out.
The moon is a wolf
And a silver bullet in the lunacy of the darkness
Insuring the sanity of the sun
In the abysmal chasm
Of Order.
Moons are people too!

Just babbling.

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Re: The Moon
« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2006, 05:45:00 am »
The moon causes Cancer!
Cancer is a soft core in the tough shell
Of the black iron prison
A weak spot
Capricorn is the black iron prison
The machine
The devil
And a manufacturer of the spork
That you will use to dig your way out.
The moon is a wolf
And a silver bullet in the lunacy of the darkness
Insuring the sanity of the sun
In the abysmal chasm
Of Order.
Moons are people too!

Just babbling.

I like this babble!
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Re: The Moon
« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2006, 01:58:29 pm »
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sillycybin wrote:
> Train of thought derailed by this post: The moon is an archetype. The wiccans, in turning
> hokey paganism into a religion, bade the wiccans worship it. YHVH is an archetype. The x-ists,
> in turning hokey jewish mysticism into a religion, bade the x-ists worship it. I'm seeing
> a pattern here. Bar the metaphysical exits by teaching the believers to stand in awe, rather
> than walk out through, the gates.

could someone transform that into a oneliner for me, for easiness of sticking on my fridge?


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Re: The Moon
« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2006, 04:47:08 pm »
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sillycybin wrote:
> Train of thought derailed by this post: The moon is an archetype. The wiccans, in turning
> hokey paganism into a religion, bade the wiccans worship it. YHVH is an archetype. The x-ists,
> in turning hokey jewish mysticism into a religion, bade the x-ists worship it. I'm seeing
> a pattern here. Bar the metaphysical exits by teaching the believers to stand in awe, rather
> than walk out through, the gates.

could someone transform that into a oneliner for me, for easiness of sticking on my fridge?


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this magnet is not the fridge.
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Re: The Moon
« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2006, 04:59:04 pm »
However, the fridge is the magnet.

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Re: The Moon
« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2006, 05:48:01 pm »
However, the fridge is the magnet.

is that why it's so sticky?
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Re: The Moon
« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2006, 06:03:25 pm »
No, that's semen. 


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Re: The Moon
« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2006, 06:04:30 pm »
Cake = ROFL ITT
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Re: The Moon
« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2006, 06:05:09 pm »
The Menu Is Not For Dinner

obviously something similar needs to be in that chinese restaurant flyer mindfuck
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Re: The Moon
« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2006, 06:05:59 pm »
"Please to not be eating menu"?