A Realistic Way for People to Live Together

[LHX]

Okay i'll follow your lead LHX :0)

meantime i'd just like to recap...

The thread started with a proposal for a new form of society, based here on this planet, with the people we have now and their long and perverse history. The proposal that was being fought for (and still is?) is that a few guidelines or rules at a push could be used to control this lot and make society run like clockwork.

Right?

Recently got into a discussion that tried to jolt idealism into the realm of reality regarding how people would ideally live together.

'Co-exist peacefully'

Suprisingly (or not) the technology that has developed on the internet seems to be the ideal method for communicating in this type of 'real/ideal' situation.

(Depending on whether or not you see the bulletin board technique as 'new', or just a new version of something old)

Here were the general principles (series of agreements):

no where does it say control

no where does it say rules


i got into a discussion about how respect manifests itself and how respect gets violated in this current society

i started this topic recapping the results of that discussion


check your recap and see if it corresponds with the words included in that first post, or whether you are reading more into it than what was put there

[Laz]

but there is enough reason to believe that this way of life didnt develop on some 'gee shucks' type of progression

Mental masturbation.

i dont know what caused it
but we didnt wake up one day suddenly afraid of things that dont exist

Who's afraid? not the little weak white man that is writing this! besides, fear grows a little at a time.

Never underestimate your adversary.

Do you want to resume the discussion on a new society or was it just a honey trap?

I wouldn't say clockwork, as it implies order, while these suggestions imply personal independence with a minimum of infringement upon others.

Yep, agree with you LNMO but it did seem to be the position tendered :0)

[LHX]

I wouldn't say clockwork, as it implies order, while these suggestions imply personal independence with a minimum of infringement upon others.

thats what im talkin about

i may be dumb
but im not dumb enuf to start talking about making rules on a discordian board

yet

[LMNO]

Yep, agree with you LNMO but it did seem to be the position tendered :0)

No, it didn't.  You seem to be assuming things that aren't in the Original Post.

[LHX]

but there is enough reason to believe that this way of life didnt develop on some 'gee shucks' type of progression

Mental masturbation.

your way of stroking is right tho - right?

i dont know what caused it
but we didnt wake up one day suddenly afraid of things that dont exist

Who's afraid? not the little weak white man that is writing this! besides, fear grows a little at a time.

write a book on it

let us know how it is

maybe youll develop a following

Never underestimate your adversary.

i wont overestimate it either

Do you want to resume the discussion on a new society or was it just a honey trap?

looks like its trapping you into exposing yourself right here

dam yo - you were off to a good start too


shame

I wouldn't say clockwork, as it implies order, while these suggestions imply personal independence with a minimum of infringement upon others.

Yep, agree with you LNMO but it did seem to be the position tendered :0)

finally we get the word 'seem' to show up in one of these posts

a little progress

congratulations

[P3nT4gR4m]

Lets face it the only realistic way for people to live together is what we see right now - wars, bitching, whining, stealing and all the rest. If you don't look at it through idealistic rose tints then it's ticking away quite nicely when it comes right down to it. The complex chunks of protoplasm are still vetoing the higher intellect in most cases so that, although in theory it's better to cooperate, the governing dynamic is "Skullfuck thy neighbor and take his molecular possessions".

It's fun, it's vibrant and it exciting. Of course if you're too attached to intellect it becomes depressing - that's the downside of evolving ahead of the pack. It's going to take your average bald ape another couple of hundred years at least before they get to where you are. So my advice is - drop the idealistic moral crap, if you see one coming toward you shoot first and ask questions later - you live amongst a pack of highly aggressive primates.

[LHX]

Lets face it the only realistic way for people to live together is what we see right now - wars, bitching, whining, stealing and all the rest. If you don't look at it through idealistic rose tints then it's ticking away quite nicely when it comes right down to it. The complex chunks of protoplasm are still vetoing the higher intellect in most cases so that, although in theory it's better to cooperate, the governing dynamic is "Skullfuck thy neighbor and take his molecular possessions".

It's fun, it's vibrant and it exciting. Of course if you're too attached to intellect it becomes depressing - that's the downside of evolving ahead of the pack. It's going to take your average bald ape another couple of hundred years at least before they get to where you are. So my advice is - drop the idealistic moral crap, if you see one coming toward you shoot first and ask questions later - you live amongst a pack of highly aggressive primates.

agreed

it has nothing to do with morals

but how to 2 people live together in a way that doesnt result in conflict?


are you personally able to live without conflict?

[Laz]

And so the groups gang up on the individual to enforce their single points in strength and basic psychology takes over to destroy the thing they claimed to be representing.

You guys, i'm flatterred :0)

The fool is always a fool and claims to be nothing more.

So what more have you got for me? you've taken on the role of teachers, so i am your student...

[LHX]

And so the groups gang up on the individual to enforce their single points in strength and basic psychology takes over to destroy the thing they claimed to be representing.

You guys, i'm flatterred :0)

The fool is always a fool and claims to be nothing more.

So what more have you got for me? you've taken on the role of teachers, so i am your student...

just because you can speak with words that are humble doesnt mean that anybody buys into your humility

there are other forums around where people enjoy hearing somebody cry victim

re-read this thread and see where you made assumptions, and see where you came across as a authority

dont run away because you got a lil spanking


we all catch it sometimes

[LMNO]

And so the groups gang up on the individual to enforce their single points in strength and basic psychology takes over to destroy the thing they claimed to be representing.

You guys, i'm flatterred :0)

The fool is always a fool and claims to be nothing more.

So what more have you got for me? you've taken on the role of teachers, so i am your student...

Are you implying that if 3 people disagree with one person, then 2 of them shouldn't say anything?


Should we draw lots, or elect a leader, or something?  I mean, this is the internets.  We all have something to say.

Please advise how you can make a situation like this not sound like "ganging up".


Or do you just like playing the victim?

[Laz]

Assumptions are dangerous, it's true. Questions should always be asked, such as

The thread started with a proposal for a new form of society, based here on this planet, with the people we have now and their long and perverse history. The proposal that was being fought for (and still is?) is that a few guidelines or rules at a push could be used to control this lot and make society run like clockwork.

Right?

The medium of writing doesn't always lend itself to correct interpretation.

So in your best english LHX, LMNO, what is the point you are trying to make with this thread?

[LMNO]

The point is, as far as I can tell from LHX's original post:

"What is the best way for humans to co-exist peacefully?  Here are a few ideas I thought might work..."




No "control", no "clockwork", no "rules".



So, there you go.  As far as I see it, of course.

[Laz]

So what is the problem with society as it stands?

[LHX]

So in your best english LHX, LMNO, what is the point you are trying to make with this thread?

how about:

no points are trying to be made in this thread

it is a investigation to determine how people can live together with respect

points may or may not develop


thats one of the beauties of discussion between people who have no fixed stance on the topic at hand

RWHN, 000 and LMNO all crushed the original post already in their own way

and they didnt come across like a authority on the topic

[LHX]

So what is the problem with society as it stands?

lol

some people say there are too many to count
some people say there are none

im suspicious of your motives for asking