A Realistic Way for People to Live Together

[Laz]

Devil's advocate = taking a position contrary to one's own to spark new ideas.

My position is that of having an open mind to things and to explore the posibilities surrounding my feelings/propositions.

and, you seem to be confusing the separate points in this thread.

how have i done that?

They were suggestions on how humans might peaceably co-exist.

...and therefore don't apply to a world that is not peaceful. I address that to you LMNO.

[LMNO]

:: Dropping the whole Devil's Advocate issue ::



On the contrary, I feel that these suggestion would work, even in a world in conflict, because they are merely suggestions, and because a group that follows these suggestions can clearly band together and kick the shit out of another group.

Let's not forget the pull towards tribalism that domesticated primates seem to show.





By the way, let's not forget that my original comment to this was actually not in favor of these rules, as they seemed to be based upon the presumption that humans were misanthropic.

[DJRubberducky]

Here's the one that convinces me these are unfeasible:

unless otherwise requested, all communications will be placed at a 3rd party location, and will be placed there with the understanding that they may never be retreived or responded to

Unless that pandemic flu virus gets around to evolving pretty quickly and decimates CENTIMATES the human population, it's going to be unrealistic to expect that six billion of us could go about our daily lives without needing to interact directly with each other, and that's exactly what you're trying to offer as an option - the chance to go throughout your entire life without ever interacting directly with another human being if you don't want to.

My mother- and grandmother-in-law were in town for Thanksgiving, and they were appalled to see how close together some of the trailers were in a local park - anything on less than an acre is just too close to its neighbor in their opinion.  My housemate's stepdad moved two hours away because he looked out his back door one morning, saw they were building an apartment complex across the street, and wanted nothing to do with that many neighbors.  At least here in the U.S. there seems to be a deep-seated need for lots of personal space, but if population continues to grow at the rate it's been going, that is NOT going to be an option if we give a damn about making sure the globe can sustain us all for more than a generation.  It is only a matter of time before we end up like Japan, stacked up all on top of each other and needing to figure out how to survive in crowded conditions while still continuing our accustomed ways of life.

I don't know about the other guidelines, but #3 doesn't come across as a way of learning how to live together.  It seems to advocate living apart.

[LMNO]

I agree with Ducky... hence my "misanthropy" comment.

[LHX]

after posting the OP on this forum, i posted it at a different forum under the title:

'Define Respect'

here was the post:

What responsibilities does a person have toward other people?

These are what I could come up with:

- dont bother people unnecessarily
- dont go places or communicate at people unless you are invited
- never ask for favors
- make any surplus materials available to others to use or not use as they see fit

beyond those - it seems that people should be free to do whatever the hell they want



Also:
The best form of communication is a bulletin board or a internet forum.

does this seem more resonable?

[LMNO]

The best form of communication is between equals.




LMNO
-sometimes, Hagbard is right.

[LHX]

The best form of communication is between equals.




LMNO
-sometimes, Hagbard is right.

people moving in the same direction are equals

people moving in a different direction than you wont understand what you are saying (or more importantly - why you are saying it


now you got me making a whole new set of connections


maybe thats why people are so quick to accuse us of all sorts of bad shit - fits in wiff RWHN's thread about family


interesting interesting

[Jenne]

But family, who are the closest thing TO us, when all is said and done, are sometimes those who feel the LEAST on equal footing with us than anyone.

[B_M_W]

if somebody did come to terms with who they are, then how would they act?

what does a water-walker look like in the desert?

1.  shrivel up into a ball
2.  shrivel up into a ball

lmfao

running around looking for a exit sign or eject button

Or find that they have so much power within that they are able to change everything.


What? Im feeling optimistic today. Been listening to York.....

[LHX]

But family, who are the closest thing TO us, when all is said and done, are sometimes those who feel the LEAST on equal footing with us than anyone.

thats kind of what i meant Jenne

RWHN's thread was about exactly that


people close to you who may be moving in a different direction

[P3nT4gR4m]

Lets face it the only realistic way for people to live together is what we see right now - wars, bitching, whining, stealing and all the rest. If you don't look at it through idealistic rose tints then it's ticking away quite nicely when it comes right down to it. The complex chunks of protoplasm are still vetoing the higher intellect in most cases so that, although in theory it's better to cooperate, the governing dynamic is "Skullfuck thy neighbor and take his molecular possessions".

It's fun, it's vibrant and it exciting. Of course if you're too attached to intellect it becomes depressing - that's the downside of evolving ahead of the pack. It's going to take your average bald ape another couple of hundred years at least before they get to where you are. So my advice is - drop the idealistic moral crap, if you see one coming toward you shoot first and ask questions later - you live amongst a pack of highly aggressive primates.

agreed

it has nothing to do with morals

but how to 2 people live together in a way that doesnt result in conflict?


are you personally able to live without conflict?

To paraphrase Don Juan - "If my enemy shot at me I would avoid the bullet by not being there." I haven't been caught up in a conflict for a good many years now, since I'm very good at avoiding it. I keep my body pretty well tuned up just in case but it's better to not have a gun and not need it in my experience.

[LHX]

To paraphrase Don Juan - "If my enemy shot at me I would avoid the bullet by not being there." I haven't been caught up in a conflict for a good many years now, since I'm very good at avoiding it. I keep my body pretty well tuned up just in case but it's better to not have a gun and not need it in my experience.

so if you yourself can avoid it and not chase other people, then what leads you to believe that other people cant have the same attributes when it comes to conflict?

is there circumstances where, unprovoked, you would go rush somebodys house?

[Jenne]

But family, who are the closest thing TO us, when all is said and done, are sometimes those who feel the LEAST on equal footing with us than anyone.

thats kind of what i meant Jenne

RWHN's thread was about exactly that


people close to you who may be moving in a different direction

Oh, duh on me then.

Yeah, that would make conflict almost necessary, then.

[P3nT4gR4m]

To paraphrase Don Juan - "If my enemy shot at me I would avoid the bullet by not being there." I haven't been caught up in a conflict for a good many years now, since I'm very good at avoiding it. I keep my body pretty well tuned up just in case but it's better to not have a gun and not need it in my experience.

so if you yourself can avoid it and not chase other people, then what leads you to believe that other people cant have the same attributes when it comes to conflict?

is there circumstances where, unprovoked, you would go rush somebodys house?

Highly unlikely in my case. A hell of a lot of the monkeys don't feel that way tho. I'm not saying they can't have the same attributes. What I'm saying is they don't. Lot of them have bought into materialism and territorialism in a big way. The only logical conclusion of that path is to rush someones house/state/country unprovoked since it's impossible to own everything, in a situation where other primates are also trying to own it all, without going to war. It's the "Highlander complex" - in the end there can only be one. Some of us realise that notions like property and even ego are illusiory and therefore hardly worth pursuing. Most don't. If you could make them realise this then maybe but lets face it - who the fuck are you trying to kid?

[LHX]

To paraphrase Don Juan - "If my enemy shot at me I would avoid the bullet by not being there." I haven't been caught up in a conflict for a good many years now, since I'm very good at avoiding it. I keep my body pretty well tuned up just in case but it's better to not have a gun and not need it in my experience.

so if you yourself can avoid it and not chase other people, then what leads you to believe that other people cant have the same attributes when it comes to conflict?

is there circumstances where, unprovoked, you would go rush somebodys house?

Highly unlikely in my case. A hell of a lot of the monkeys don't feel that way tho. I'm not saying they can't have the same attributes. What I'm saying is they don't. Lot of them have bought into materialism and territorialism in a big way. The only logical conclusion of that path is to rush someones house/state/country unprovoked since it's impossible to own everything, in a situation where other primates are also trying to own it all, without going to war. It's the "Highlander complex" - in the end there can only be one. Some of us realise that notions like property and even ego are illusiory and therefore hardly worth pursuing. Most don't. If you could make them realise this then maybe but lets face it - who the fuck are you trying to kid?

i have no illusions of the current population of earth becoming peaceful and conflict free

tho i could see it happening on this planet at some point



there would have to be some renovations