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Started by LHX, December 26, 2006, 05:08:58 PM

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LHX

What is the point of getting into a discussion with somebody who doesnt acknowledge that they might be wrong about the topic at hand?

It wouldnt even be a discussion.


These people do exist.
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P3nT4gR4m

The point is that it might be possible to get through to them. Failing that, as I usually do, at least you can make them look really stupid as a cautionary tale to anyone else who might be considering thinking like that.

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I guess it could be benifical if you have an audience if you could both keep it civil...
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LHX

good points

when you factor in the audience aspect of things, keeping it civil might not even be a necessity



good eye good eye
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P3nT4gR4m

More effective if the other side degenerates into circular logic and personal attacks as quickly as possible. That way you don't waste much time making what's usually a fairly obvious point.

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
Not actually a meat product.
Ass-Kicking & Foot-Stomping Ancient Master of SHIT FUCK FUCK FUCK
Awful and Bent Behemothic Results of Last Night's Painful Squat.
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Octomom Auxillary Heat Exchanger Repairman
walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark

LHX

Quote from: SillyCybin on December 26, 2006, 05:36:35 PM
More effective if the other side degenerates into circular logic and personal attacks as quickly as possible. That way you don't waste much time making what's usually a fairly obvious point.

troof

the strike-first tactic dont usually work anymore

especially on these online situations


maybe somebody will start keeping stats one day

my guess is that 9 times out of 10 the person who strikes first ends up looking like a chump
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vexaph0d

even if your opponent in a debate isn't serious about getting to the bottom of a topic, it can still be useful to talk to them.  you can learn your own argument more thoroughly, or learn a few things about why idiots think like they do.

and sometimes, they don't consider the possibility that they're wrong, because they aren't.
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AFK

I agree with vex, sometimes it might be nothing more than a mental excercise for you.  Of course, you might get lucky, and get a little barb underneath their armour that they'll contemplate later when they are alone. 
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

LMNO

LHX, the point is to keep hammering away until they relent, just a little, that they may be wrong, or be sticking to one point of view a little too much.


From that crack comes a torrent.  And the dam comes down.


At least the way I do it.

LHX

erosion and building momentum


yall are some beautiful motherfuckers these days
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Jenne

...because it's more interesting than always talking to a bunch of yes-men or at the very least people who think like you do.  Bo-RING!

Differences of opinion, especially stubborn holders of said opinions, are fodder for much livelier discussion than a bunch of "yeah, yeah, sure, yeah, you're right"'s.

You can learn from that...but I think you learn and expand more when there's stuff in there you either don't agree with or have to use to explain yourself better.

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Jenne

 :thanks: 

(appreciating the irony, vex)

P3nT4gR4m

Quote from: Jenne on December 26, 2006, 06:37:16 PM
...because it's more interesting than always talking to a bunch of yes-men or at the very least people who think like you do.  Bo-RING!

Differences of opinion, especially stubborn holders of said opinions, are fodder for much livelier discussion than a bunch of "yeah, yeah, sure, yeah, you're right"'s.

You can learn from that...but I think you learn and expand more when there's stuff in there you either don't agree with or have to use to explain yourself better.

You missed out - great situation to work on really brutal putdowns. If I can't make you see things my my I'll settle for making you weep like a little bitch.

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
Not actually a meat product.
Ass-Kicking & Foot-Stomping Ancient Master of SHIT FUCK FUCK FUCK
Awful and Bent Behemothic Results of Last Night's Painful Squat.
High Altitude Haggis-Filled Sex Bucket From Beyond Time and Space.
Internet Monkey Person of Filthy and Immoral Pygmy-Porn Wart Contagion
Octomom Auxillary Heat Exchanger Repairman
walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark

Jenne

Eh.  Bound to be other opportunities to do that, SC.