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Re: The Holy Rage
« Reply #90 on: March 31, 2019, 10:49:26 pm »
I dunno about that, I think that having reigns on my id has kept me out of a lot of shit. In my teen years, I was helpless to stop that beast, and it did a lot of damage to me and the people around me.

I would say that the more I mastered my "id" impulses, the less I've allowed it to hijack my control panel, the more my happiness has been increased and my suffering decreased.

There is definitely a problem if you are denying the id everything it wants, but there is a long range between resisting impulses and being a stick-up-the-ass puritan. I do let my id out to play, but ideally, that's a choice I consciously make.

On a whim, I gave up something for lent this year. Without getting into details--it's been an ongoing test of self control. The first few days really made me question my own capacity to change a pleasurable habit. As we pull into the home stretch, I feel like I have exercised something, built up a kind of muscle... and that feels pretty damn good too.

The issue with the Id is that it functions on the basis of the pleasure principle regardless of morals or consequences... it demands satisfaction with no regards to anyone or anything, so I can understand the problems with just letting it loose.

I dont think we really disagree, the Ego after all is the residence of conscience and reality principle, but the Ego in itself has a lot of traps and issues in itself... narcissism, rationalization, the tendency to always being hijacked by peer pressure...

Let the Id run free and you have either artists, psychopaths or psychotics... let the Ego run misdirected and uncontested and you have a suit, or a repressed normie that follows the letter of the law...

So I still personally reject the notion of "caging, dominating" the Id, which doesnt mean im a degenerate follower of Reich or Marcuse (they see all repression or self-control as the root of all problems), id prefer speaking of doing diplomacy or agreements between Id and Ego, between pleasure and reality principles... we cant be tyrants with ourselves and expect a part of us not to revolt, at the end of the day i think its  problem of inner governance.

And ill give a very crude example myself, sometimes i dont jack off when im in the mood just so that instead of wasting that powerful energy i can spend it on exersice, reading, writing... in a sense it was a delayed and transformed gratification, but it provides a comparable degree of satisfaction whilst being actually productive.
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Re: The Holy Rage
« Reply #91 on: March 31, 2019, 10:52:35 pm »
Johnny sees the Elephant!

Lets maul him to pulp with tire irons!

At least it sounds less lame than doing batting practice against a mattress  :lulz:
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« Reply #92 on: March 31, 2019, 11:09:01 pm »
my current framework is

the self is fragmented
the inner beast we're discussing here is one of those parts

These aspects of self do not communicate with each other, they are often ignorant of each other's needs and act independantly.

What I'd call the 'true self' is the integration of these personal aspects. Ideally, they support each other, recognizing each other's needs and not blocking one another. Each is given its turn at the right time.


under normal circumstances, these selves rarely act in unison--they tend to argue and distract each other.
There must be another inner self, which they all listen to and respect.
This self is the master of the house.

By default, this master is not home. We have to create it. But that's another topic.

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« Reply #93 on: April 01, 2019, 01:13:15 am »

I can pretty much agree on everything you just said despite of thinking of it in a different conceptual language.

The only thing that sounds out of place or odd is why youd call this integration of parts the "True Self"?... Would each fragmented part be one out of two "false selves"? Why put to play the category of truth or falseness when the seemingly more relevant category is integration or separation?
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« Reply #94 on: April 01, 2019, 03:06:37 am »
Why must non-truth be falsehood?

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« Reply #95 on: April 01, 2019, 06:50:08 am »
I have only false selves.  It cuts down on confusion.

TGRR/Little Billy/Padre Dolor/Doktor Howl?  Which one is real?  None of them.  I refused to be pinned down by reality or common sense.  I am Godzilla on rollerskates, Bubba, and if you see me coming, you better run.
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Re: The Holy Rage
« Reply #96 on: April 01, 2019, 01:20:19 pm »
The only thing that sounds out of place or odd is why youd call this integration of parts the "True Self"?

I could type a mountain answering this, but I don't want to jack this great thread with my own blah blah blah - to answer in brief

While not-integrated, we are constantly at war with ourselves
in special moments, flashes of insight, the disparate processors can "hear" each other - this state of being feels real in a way that makes the rest of life feel like a dream

Life is Real Only Then, When 'I Am'

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« Reply #97 on: April 01, 2019, 01:51:33 pm »
I have only false selves.  It cuts down on confusion.

TGRR/Little Billy/Padre Dolor/Doktor Howl?  Which one is real?  None of them.  I refused to be pinned down by reality or common sense.  I am Godzilla on rollerskates, Bubba, and if you see me coming, you better run.

Wait just a god damn minute...

Little Billy isn’t real?!
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Re: The Holy Rage
« Reply #98 on: April 01, 2019, 06:54:50 pm »
Your homework assignment: Find your inner beast and fuck it.

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« Reply #99 on: April 01, 2019, 09:07:23 pm »
I have only false selves.  It cuts down on confusion.

TGRR/Little Billy/Padre Dolor/Doktor Howl?  Which one is real?  None of them.  I refused to be pinned down by reality or common sense.  I am Godzilla on rollerskates, Bubba, and if you see me coming, you better run.

Wait just a god damn minute...

Little Billy isn’t real?!

Billy is, that's a totally different dude.  I am referring to the Little Billy of the Mysticwicks era.
Morrissey is the crown prince of sad.  He teaches us that deaf/mute girls are terrible at telling you that a disaster is occurring, and that when you get famous, all your old friends hate you for buying new tee shirts.  Morrissey fans are best known for hugging their legs and biting their knees in the shower, over a girl that dumped them rather than learn their name, or binge-eating an entire pizza and then throwing it up on their man-boobs in the bath tub, while they squeeze their  testicles until they remember that they are worthless and do not deserve love.

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« Reply #100 on: April 01, 2019, 09:47:09 pm »
I have only false selves.  It cuts down on confusion.

TGRR/Little Billy/Padre Dolor/Doktor Howl?  Which one is real?  None of them.  I refused to be pinned down by reality or common sense.  I am Godzilla on rollerskates, Bubba, and if you see me coming, you better run.

Wait just a god damn minute...

Little Billy isn’t real?!

Billy is, that's a totally different dude.  I am referring to the Little Billy of the Mysticwicks era.

Oh thank god
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« Reply #101 on: April 01, 2019, 10:59:11 pm »
Your homework assignment: Find your inner beast and fuck it.

Sounds like Furry propaganda to me!
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Re: The Holy Rage
« Reply #102 on: April 01, 2019, 10:59:46 pm »
Your homework assignment: Find your inner beast and fuck it.

Sounds like Furry propaganda to me!

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Re: The Holy Rage
« Reply #103 on: April 02, 2019, 12:21:26 am »
Your homework assignment: Find your inner beast and fuck it.

Sounds like Furry propaganda to me!

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I noticed you didn't ask about extra credit.