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Re: Fleshing out Occult - refinement of diagrams
« Reply #120 on: February 20, 2007, 08:22:34 pm »
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Re: Fleshing out Occult - refinement of diagrams
« Reply #121 on: February 21, 2007, 06:42:00 am »
You know what'd be really big magic?

The grit to actually confront people.

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Re: Fleshing out Occult - refinement of diagrams
« Reply #122 on: February 21, 2007, 07:16:38 am »
We were having a discussion about flowcharting how you think but the slow readers started throwing toys out the pram. So we stopped.

Censorship FTW!

Confrontational enough?
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Re: Fleshing out Occult - refinement of diagrams
« Reply #123 on: February 21, 2007, 07:17:40 am »
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Re: Fleshing out Occult - refinement of diagrams
« Reply #124 on: February 21, 2007, 10:18:20 am »
you know, if you're uncomfortable with us discussing some old occult stuff (which i just happen to find interesting, not beliebe in it  :? )

if you're uncomfortable with that, i would rather have you try to pull the discussion back to its original topic before it got too occult and spooky for you than to start making fun of it and jack it even further off-topic.

because, as far as i understand you, your point is that we could use our brains better than discussing old, untrue, not-working, fantastical theories (that we happen to find interesting, nonetheless) right?
well, i'm not sure that laughing and slapping our thighs at these oh so funny chickenfoot jokes is really more constructive.
why? not because i don't enjoy your jokes really, i do enjoy them, especially when they're at other people's expense (because, we all know, that's when jokes are at its funniest!)
but because that way you get people to try and defend stuff they wouldn't normally in their right mind even think of trying to defend. why do they do that? you know that, because you pushed their buttons. they talk about something they don't really believe in, you make fun of them, and suddenly they feel like they should defend that something they didn't really believe in in the first place. so they don't do it very well, and you can make fun of them again. and thus the cycle continues.
that's all very nice, but it doesn't do much except provide some cheap lulz and waste just about everybody's time here.
now the question is, are you doing this because you want to waste everybody's time, or are you doing this because you think we should be discussing something more sensible?

(i'm trying to work with you here)
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Re: Fleshing out Occult - refinement of diagrams
« Reply #125 on: February 21, 2007, 01:22:16 pm »
Alright, I actually spent some time in the religion and occult section of the library this morning (I got sacked, I'll tell the story in a bit, its good).

Now, as far as I can see, occultism, despite it not having any concrete physical benefits, can be useful if put into the social context of literature and art creation.  I was reading a rather interesting book about the occult in Soviet culture, but it spent a fair period of the book detailing the influence of Hermeticism on the Symbolists (Rimbaud etc) and their work.

Would that be a better area for study, do you think?  I feel it has the potential for far more fruitful and interesting lines of enquiry.

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Re: Fleshing out Occult - refinement of diagrams
« Reply #126 on: February 21, 2007, 01:25:06 pm »
Alright, I actually spent some time in the religion and occult section of the library this morning (I got sacked, I'll tell the story in a bit, its good).

Now, as far as I can see, occultism, despite it not having any concrete physical benefits, can be useful if put into the social context of literature and art creation.  I was reading a rather interesting book about the occult in Soviet culture, but it spent a fair period of the book detailing the influence of Hermeticism on the Symbolists (Rimbaud etc) and their work.

Would that be a better area for study, do you think?  I feel it has the potential for far more fruitful and interesting lines of enquiry.
isnt that whats going on here?


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Re: Fleshing out Occult - refinement of diagrams
« Reply #127 on: February 21, 2007, 01:27:12 pm »
Nope.  As far as I can see, whats going on here is an interdisciplinary occult circle jerk which holds minimal interest for me.  I have not seen references to the arts in this discussion at all, certainly not along the lines of the connection between society and art and how imagery/ideas taken from occult sources may affect that.

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Re: Fleshing out Occult - refinement of diagrams
« Reply #128 on: February 21, 2007, 01:31:53 pm »
i guess some things get lost in translation

production is the motivation behind all of this (i guess i cant speak for anybody else)


my hate for occult provoked me to look into it

if the consensus is that mnemonics are not useful then i will be exposed as a chump in due time


the law of fives is in the PD from what i can remember

im speaking in first person because it seems like all my shit about diagrams and charts got singled out in particular

if anybody goes and looks at them, they will see NO occult terms



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Re: Fleshing out Occult - refinement of diagrams
« Reply #129 on: February 21, 2007, 01:51:16 pm »
Nope.  As far as I can see, whats going on here is an interdisciplinary occult circle jerk which holds minimal interest for me.

imo, the entire BIP forum consists of nothing but interdisciplinary circle jerks ..

(and so this happens to be an occult one)

also, apologies for if my specific questions about qabalah to Mang were too far off-topic from the BIP. i just thought, when the subject popped up, i might slide in a quick question, but it was a bit larger question, and indeed the specifics not particularly relevant to the BIP. might have been more in its place on the lit. board perhaps.

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I have not seen references to the arts in this discussion at all, certainly not along the lines of the connection between society and art and how imagery/ideas taken from occult sources may affect that.

ok, sounds interesting enough.

only thing i can think of, the art that has the biggest impact on society seems to be advertisement.
in general obvious imagery from occult sources are shied away from in advertisement, because they tend to cause an allergic reaction to the (christian) public in general?

in general, if there's any occult sources being used in advertisements, they try hard to hide it.

one thing that might be interesting are these "inspirational brainstorm cards", you know the very expensive ones with thought provoking/evoking images on it like lightbulbs, knots, beaches, a brick house in a desert, whatever.
my brother, who studies Industrial Design (designing what your next citrus-press will look like) sometimes has to use these cards in brainstorming sessions. which is also used for inspiration in advertising slogans/campaigns/whatnot.
this process is almost the very same as what i use tarot cards for (usually to get inspiration to draw cartoons). the only difference being that these inspiration-cards carry their meaning almost directly (with pictures), while with tarot there is a translation-step in between causing you to have to study them (a littlebit, at least) before you can put them to use in the same way.



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i really have the feeling that this was not really what you were aiming at with the society/arts/occult angle, sorry :-)
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Re: Fleshing out Occult - refinement of diagrams
« Reply #130 on: February 21, 2007, 02:04:30 pm »
I have not seen references to the arts in this discussion at all, certainly not along the lines of the connection between society and art and how imagery/ideas taken from occult sources may affect that.

The problem her is that, for me, they are related in a parallel/intangible way.  The contradictions and pattern/making in qblh/et al, combined with the linear scientific method-thinking I was brought up with seem to force my brain into comparing new and disparate things, almost out of a force of habit.  That is to say, the process that I feel that is the basis of my creativity (synthesizing previously uncombined ideas) is the by-product of all this occult bullshit.

It's like saying that talking about your workout process in the gym isn't really related to carrying your groceries up the 5-floor walkup.  But without the former, the latter is much harder to do.

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Re: Fleshing out Occult - refinement of diagrams
« Reply #131 on: February 21, 2007, 02:21:21 pm »
you know, if you're uncomfortable with us discussing some old occult stuff (which i just happen to find interesting, not beliebe in it  :? )

Uncomfortable?  Shut the fuck up.  It's funny as hell.

Now, any other motives you'd care to shove into our mouths, asstard?
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Re: Fleshing out Occult - refinement of diagrams
« Reply #132 on: February 21, 2007, 02:49:50 pm »
Now, any other motives you'd care to shove into our mouths, asstard?

 :lol:

says you?

who keeps shoving "divinations", "chakras", "banging drums", "spirits" and all that into our mouths?
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Re: Fleshing out Occult - refinement of diagrams
« Reply #133 on: February 21, 2007, 02:52:52 pm »
Now, any other motives you'd care to shove into our mouths, asstard?

 :lol:

says you?

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Re: Fleshing out Occult - refinement of diagrams
« Reply #134 on: February 21, 2007, 03:03:04 pm »
Now, any other motives you'd care to shove into our mouths, asstard?

 :lol:

says you?

who keeps shoving "divinations", "chakras", "banging drums", "spirits" and all that into our mouths?

The guy jabbering about his Thoth tarot cards, IIRC.
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