ATTN: PRAGMATISTS

[LHX]

and if you spoke soft you coulda still preserved the friendship

[The Good Reverend Roger]

and if you spoke soft you coulda still preserved the friendship

That's how seriously you take all this?  If so, then we weren't actually friends to begin with, were we?

Fuck off and die.

[LMNO]

Oh, Christ.


Can't we all just recognize that 99.9% of the posters here don't believe in madgjeeek, and were just talking things through, for the potential of new ideas or ways of expressing the BIP?

[LHX]

and if you spoke soft you coulda still preserved the friendship

That's how seriously you take all this?  If so, then we weren't actually friends to begin with, were we?

Fuck off and die.

im kidding man

i still love you like youre my online dad

[P3nT4gR4m]

Easy.  You want to understand religion and it's effects?  Great.  Study monkeys at worship.  Don't pretend their rituals have any more power or effect - or have any more structure - than any other ritual (which is to say, they fool only their own adherents, and have NO effect on the rest of the world, other than as expressed by their adherents).

If you want to have an effect on your consciousness apply ritual. It's psychosomatic. That means it does have an effect on your mind. If you analyse that effect and find a way of refining it and creating repeatable conditions you have an occult system. The difference between this and religious bullshit is serious occultists know it's psychosomatic. That's an argument against believing in bullshit but it's an equally compelling argument for exploration of effects.

The occult is a system of mental tweaks and programming that fine tunes your brain. Just like in any walk of life 99% of the practitioners are fuckheads who don't get it. So they give it a bad name. The "all the people who do 'X' are idiots" argument never really held much sway for me. Almost all the people on this fucking planet will only be any use as fertiliser. Doesn't make me wanna give up being a human.

The average human mind is a pathetic, cobbled together, self defining algorithm that was developed by hit and miss evolution. I wanna improve mine by design and I'll try anything that looks like it's might help.

[Thurnez Isa]

More along the lines of:  "Be free.  If anyone tries to stop you, kick them in the Jimmy."

You gotta a lot of kicking to do

[P3nT4gR4m]

Free? LOL That's the punchline right there. Dude who's accusing me of irrational beliefs still buys into that free bullshit.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Oh, Christ.


Can't we all just recognize that 99.9% of the posters here don't believe in madgjeeek, and were just talking things through, for the potential of new ideas or ways of expressing the BIP?

Um...

Easy.  You want to understand religion and it's effects?  Great.  Study monkeys at worship.  Don't pretend their rituals have any more power or effect - or have any more structure - than any other ritual (which is to say, they fool only their own adherents, and have NO effect on the rest of the world, other than as expressed by their adherents).

If you want to have an effect on your consciousness apply ritual. It's psychosomatic. That means it does have an effect on your mind. If you analyse that effect and find a way of refining it and creating repeatable conditions you have an occult system. The difference between this and religious bullshit is serious occultists know it's psychosomatic. That's an argument against believing in bullshit but it's an equally compelling argument for exploration of effects.

The occult is a system of mental tweaks and programming that fine tunes your brain. Just like in any walk of life 99% of the practitioners are fuckheads who don't get it. So they give it a bad name. The "all the people who do 'X' are idiots" argument never really held much sway for me. Almost all the people on this fucking planet will only be any use as fertiliser. Doesn't make me wanna give up being a human.

The average human mind is a pathetic, cobbled together, self defining algorithm that was developed by hit and miss evolution. I wanna improve mine by design and I'll try anything that looks like it's might help.

As "Bob" is my witness, I can't possibly think of anything to add to this situation that would make it funnier.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Free? LOL That's the punchline right there. Dude who's accusing me of irrational beliefs still buys into that free bullshit.

Shut it, slave.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

More along the lines of:  "Be free.  If anyone tries to stop you, kick them in the Jimmy."

You gotta a lot of kicking to do

Gives me something to do until I die.  Or kill me.

[LMNO]

Oh, Christ.


Can't we all just recognize that 99.9% of the posters here don't believe in madgjeeek, and were just talking things through, for the potential of new ideas or ways of expressing the BIP?

Um...

The average human mind is a pathetic, cobbled together, self defining algorithm that was developed by hit and miss evolution. I wanna improve mine by design and I'll try anything that looks like it's might help.

As "Bob" is my witness, I can't possibly think of anything to add to this situation that would make it funnier.

Do you mind not acting like a single person actually speaks for an entire group?  It's a cheap win, especially when Discordians are involved

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Oh, Christ.


Can't we all just recognize that 99.9% of the posters here don't believe in madgjeeek, and were just talking things through, for the potential of new ideas or ways of expressing the BIP?

Um...

The average human mind is a pathetic, cobbled together, self defining algorithm that was developed by hit and miss evolution. I wanna improve mine by design and I'll try anything that looks like it's might help.

As "Bob" is my witness, I can't possibly think of anything to add to this situation that would make it funnier.

Do you mind not acting like a single person actually speaks for an entire group?  It's a cheap win, especially when Discordians are involved

Cheap?  Sure.  But funny (the timing was priceless).

And that's all I really ask for.

Best part is, the dumbfuck wants to change 2,000,000 years of evolution by retreating back to the last ice age or so, and playing with "rituals" that "psychosomatically" somehow "alter his brain" (by that standard, so would studying higher math, but that's hard).

As if his "rituals" (take short break for laughter) were somehow better than a few million years of proven success.

Then he whimpers that he isn't free, so freedom must not exist.  This is too goddamn funny.

Now, by your standards ("99.9%"), we have 1,000 active users.  Betcha we have at least 3 more users on this board (from the actual 20 or so users) that have a head full of superstition.

Lastly, what the fuck use is all this talk about superstition?  It isn't the "occult" crowd that fucks with your freedom, so why specialize in their particular brand of mummery?  If you MUST dissect a particular set of fantasies, why not target the ones that target you?

Oh, yeah.  That's a hard target.  They might be mean.

[LMNO]

Point taken.

[AFK]

Holy crap, it seems I missed quite a bit.

To play the diplomat:
I think perhaps we need to take a step back and think about what we are doing here.  I think it might be farfetched to think every single thread in this place is about "futhering BIP" to the outside world.  So, inherently, there are going to be digressions and tangentials.  This is the wall you throw the pasta at.  Some of it sticks, some of it hits the floor and starts stinking.  It's all good.  As I've stated before, I don't get into the occult discussions all that much myself, but I can see where they are useful to others in the group, and I think that's fine.  I avoid it.  But, I think as long as we keep some level of groundation, keep a loose plan in mind of what we want to do with all this, it will work. 

At least, we seem to have a good working relationship between the principles.  And I also think the diagramming thing is useful.  Words are great and can convey quite a bit but sometimes you need a visual now and again so certain parts of your brain aren't left out. 

We all have different things to offer.  We all have different perspectives.  Let's just work with what we know.  If others have different ideas, lay em down.  I think this is pretty much an open door, a community drawing board.  Who says when you are having a barn raising that all of the walls have to be the same color? 

[ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞]

What's the best way to deal with the Black Iron Prison?

I feel I'm missing something, here.

1. To understand the BIP, you need a sense of clarity in understanding what constitutes a bar or restraint in thinking.

2. The occult has no physical effect.  Belief in the occult is a different matter.

3. How do we, or why should we, differentiate between the occult and other strains of religion?  Barring an exceptionally rich and diverse mix of symbols, there is little difference I can see.

4. How do we understand the mechanisms by which belief can either be liberationary or reactionary?

Easy.  You want to understand religion and it's effects?  Great.  Study monkeys at worship.  Don't pretend their rituals have any more power or effect - or have any more structure - than any other ritual (which is to say, they fool only their own adherents, and have NO effect on the rest of the world, other than as expressed by their adherents).

Actually, I'm pretty interested in why sometimes passive-aggressive religions (like Christianity) can create something like Liberation Theology.  Or like I mentioned with Dr Howl, how Taoism, with its conception of wu-wei, could produce agarian resistance to Chinese central control.

If we could understand how that works, then perhaps all of this recent discussion could have a use.

And that's just great.  But trying to figure out the "underlying process" behind speaking in tongues isn't going to help gain an understanding.  THAT is what I am saying.

Link to us talking about speaking in tounges, or STFU.

Andrew Newberg, MD, Associate Professor of Radiology, Psychiatry, and Religious Studies says, "Our finding of decreased activity in the frontal lobes during the practice of speaking in tongues is fascinating because these subjects truly believe that the spirit of [Gawd] is moving through them and controlling them to speak.  Our brain imaging research shows us that these subjects are not in control of the usual language centers during this activity, which is consistent with their description of a lack of intentional control while speaking in tongues."

http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/oct06/glossolalia_print.htm

By diminishing their rational capacity in a flurry of retardation, they get closer to  Gawd.


Case closed.